Problems opening Quark EPS files – Normal ?

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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 21, 2004
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A friend helped me out desinging a small ad. for me in Quark. It then needs to be saved as an aEPS file for the digital printers. He sent it to me and I cannot for the life of me open it.

I would have thought CS would open it. Using a Graphite G4 with buckets of memory (1.5 gb) the message I get is that "it cannot perform function requested (?) because of lack of memory". Memory is set at 70%.

Am I off base here?

And if CS is not SUPPOSED to open Quark files why not just give me the damn message so I know what the hell is going on.

Thx
Paul

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Ann_Shelbourne
Jul 22, 2004
Only QXP can open Quark 5 & 6 files — although InDesign can open QXP 3.3.2 and 4.1.1 files.

If you can’t open his file in anything that you have, and want to make changes, ask him for an EPS which you can open in Illustrator; or for a PDF if it is ready to go to Press.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Thank you Ann.

Will do.
Paul
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Ed_Hannigan
Jul 22, 2004
Is it a Quark document/project or a Quark eps? Two different animals. Photoshop can open Quark eps files; I do it all the time. Is he asking you to save it as an eps? That has to be done from inside Quark.

If it is an eps and you can’t open it I would suspect it was saved incorrectly out of Quark.

By the way, it would be silly to send the printer a Quark eps. They are not really fit for printing. Why not just send them the Quark doc? Almost every professional print outfit can handle Quark documents. Or send them a pdf made from Quark.
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Todd_Shirley
Jul 22, 2004
Yeah – make a PDF. If you WERE to save the layout as a quark EPS and then open in photoshop, you would of course lose the crispness of your text and linework, unless you rasterized at a really high resolution (>1200dpi). Also, you would need all the fonts that were used in the Quark document or your text would default to courier.

Printers don’t want an EPS saved out of Photoshop – they want an illustrator eps or, even better, a PDF.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Thanks all for your help.

I was a bit unclear. This is a step in the process the trade guide publisher will convert the files from Quark to PDF and print from there. I just wanted to see what the thing looked like after we had spent so much time messing with it.

Thx
Paul
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John_Slate
Jul 22, 2004
•Any printer worth his salt should be able to handle native files.

•Quark .eps files are notoriously flaky, and will often induce a parser error when attempting to open in an Adobe product.

•Quark .eps files can NOT be opened by Quark, they can only be placed.

•Sometimes you can open QXP.eps files in Illustrator and maintain fonts and vectors, but that is hit-or-miss, and if you don’t get a parser error the fonts may jump around a little, but since you only are looking to preview the ad, and not edit it and save in Photoshop, then by all means rasterize away.

•As suggested above your friend would be better off making a PDF of the ad with press optimization (+bleed if there is any). The printer can use this and you can preview it easily, with Adobe Reader.

•If you really want to preview the ad from your friends QXP.eps file, let us know what other software you have.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Hi John,

I fear I have no software tio view the eps. InDesign, GoLive, CS, and thats about it I just shoot the stuff. Don’t play with it a lot – no time.

Thx.
Paul
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John_Slate
Jul 22, 2004
Open InDesign and file>place the QXP.eps, then go for a high rez preview.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Ah John, you are wise man.

I forgot all about the Place function. Tried to open directly – as grayed file.

Now here you go. I try to place the files and the following error message appears – at this point I am just trying to make sure the EPS is actually OK before I send if off.

Message : VNError error ocurred creating the screen display for the imported EPS. The EWPS will draw as a gray box . The actual EPA may not print and will not export as PDF. Do you still want to place this file?

End Message – Or Mess – depending how you feel about the whole thing ;-))

Thanx
John
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John_Slate
Jul 22, 2004
So place it without the preview (ie the gray box) then export a PDF from ID and open that.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Whoa Nelly!!!!!!

Where in my contract does it say I have to know how to do that?

I had a good but quick look (don’t use InDesign much – D’ja notice?) and cannot find nor have I yet been given, in the several different attempts, the option to decline the preview presentation.

Any advice.

Thx
MO
Mike_Ornellas
Jul 22, 2004
a butter knife.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Spoon is better. Takes longer. You have spend several hours sharpening the edge – you get to think about what you are going to do.

You, by the way, are sick. And belong on the new Microsoft OS site forums.

That should fix you!

I am going to turn the whole thing over to the publisher and hold my breath.

Thanks all.
P.
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Mike_Ornellas
Jul 22, 2004
I just don’t know how you came to that conclusion…
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Hey Mike,

What do you drive an optimized Infinity, uh, I mean Apple G5?

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MO
Mike_Ornellas
Jul 22, 2004
If you saw a picture of my room, you would freak!

I call it the pit!

want a job?
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Doing what vacuming the air intakes on twenty computers?

No!

I have my own issues – way too many digital files in need of captions and CS is set up way wrong to bulk caption in the browser AND I am sure Adobe knows it.

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MO
Mike_Ornellas
Jul 22, 2004
Oh,

so you like doing everything as well.

The only difference is that I go home at night and kiss is all good night.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Yeah but you can’t go grab a snapple ….Right Now! or a beer (@ 5) or a glass of wine.

Besides who else is going to caption 1000 of my images. There is nobody out there who could do it much less would do it. If I typed worth a —— it would be OK but…….

But you are right I am beginning to enjoy closing the office doors on weekends and not even checking email. Though some of my contacts on a big project are in Australia & NZ so I am on their time.

Are you a photographer as well or JUST a graphic designer?

Enjoy
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Mike_Ornellas
Jul 22, 2004
hmm..

Let me see.

Um, -considering that I am the boss, -I can pretty much do what I want.

I’ve been called many things in my life time, some of which I find quite entertaining.

I’m more of a technical production illustrator, artist, IT, color applications specialist, thing….

I gave up long ago putting titles on business cards.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Being the boss is good. Labels as you wrtite are not.

Keep up the good work thing..
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Mike_Ornellas
Jul 22, 2004
As far as your question, I’d use Illustrator to open the Quark EPS file. Depending upon how complex the file is will depict how editable it will be.

There are other solutions, but is expensive stuff that not many folks have access to like Dalim Litho.
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Buko
Jul 22, 2004
A friend helped me out desinging a small ad. for me in Quark.

What version? you can open a Quark 3 or 4 file with InDesign.

If Its Quark 6 then it needs to be saved as Quark 5 then saved as Quark 4. Now you should be able to open it.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Check out message 9 for info. on an error message I kept getting trying to place the file in InDesign.

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Mike_Ornellas
Jul 22, 2004
the file may be corrupt.

do you have a way to post it?
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Buko
Jul 22, 2004
No read my message again.

What version of Quark is the original file?? 3, 4, 5, 6

ID can open the Quark Document that was used to make the Quark .eps as long as it is saved as version 3 or 4.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Oh Good! Cat fight ! Cat Fight!

It was Quark 4. But it will not open as i have menitoned.

Now most of the time I believe its me – no more – I think the file is corrupted – as corrupted the Rampart Division was.
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Buko
Jul 22, 2004
Well the title of the thread "Problems opening Quark EPS files – Normal ?"

I had the impression that you were having trouble opening and placing a Quark .eps file.

I had no idea you had the original Quark file since you kept talking about the Quark .eps.

Do you really know what type of file you have?

If you have a Quark 4 document file you can open the file with ID but you can’t place a Quark document in to ID.

If you have a Quark.eps you can place the file in to ID or open it in Photoshop or Illustrator.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
It is a photoshop EPS, wait you are right I may not even know what the hell kind of file I have.

I checked file info and it gave me Photoshop EPS but I am sure the work orignally done in Quark 4 and then converted. Will Quark let you ocnvert to particular type of EPS file? I have no clue in this area.

I am going to jumo back to the guy who did the work and twist his ear and see where we go.

Thanks

I’ll get back to you if I can work out what the scoop is. I thiknk I may just be working with a corrrupted Photoshop eps file.
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Ann_Shelbourne
Jul 22, 2004
BIG CIRCLE ………

Return to Message #1 !

:~)

Although it is beginning to sound as if your friend made a rasterized EPS directly out of QXP and that it is probably corrupt.

Ask for the original QXP 4 file, an Illustrator EPS file or a Press-quality PDF.
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Ram
Jul 22, 2004
Will Quark let you ocnvert to particular type of EPS file?

EPS is the file type.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Hi Ann,

You live here I come only with issues – see the circle? Life is one big one.

Yes, I am back where I started. And yes I realize that EPS is the fiels format but surmized that may be differences between a coverted photoshop image and and original eps file (for example).

So if you have nothing better to do….if my colleague took a composite of images dropped it into Quark added text and then comnverted to EPS as I believe he did – Why do I have a file which when I use file info tells me I am inspecting a Photoshop EPS file. In a word is that possible? Yes – No?

The circle tightens almost to the poinbt where I am going to fall over ont this thing.

Thx all.
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Mike_Ornellas
Jul 22, 2004
That butter knife may help cut the rope from the tree.

When you have vector objects such as text in an EPS, PS file, you have to rasterize it for it to open.

You need the original PSD file or TIFF or PDF layered file to make vector changes.

Photoshop does create EPS compliant files.
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Ann_Shelbourne
Jul 22, 2004
There is the distinct possibility that when that EPS was made in QXP (using Save Page As EPS) that the guy forgot to include a tiff preview. If he included a preview, you should be able to open that EPS from inside Illustrator which would let you see the graphics AND provide editable text.

Opening that EPS from inside Photoshop would rasterize the text.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Ok! So I should cut the rope and finish the job with the fall. rasterize, vector – You guys talk funny – almost as funny as the biologists I have to work with.

I’ll get with Dave and check it out.

Mike where you located?

Paul
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Ann_Shelbourne
Jul 22, 2004
Mike:
You have been stuck inside a Photoshop warp for too long! The answer to this EPS is Illustrator — NOT Photoshop!
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Mike_Ornellas
Jul 22, 2004
warp?

yes, did I not say that from the start?

This thread has gone in so many directions, who knows what end is up at this point.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Hi Ann,

Back to 1 – Photoshop won’t open it – (Could not complete my request because there is not enough memery).

And I am not an Illustrator is you get my drift, Wish I had it but I do not. Closest I get is InDesign which I got to print out small 4X6 prints and rarely use but when I use it works.

Adobe Rocks!!!!!! Except the CS browser batch captionning capacity – I don’t write code but I can do a better job or should I say I could a better job which more accuratly meest the needs of my customers not the marketing bosses in the company. Everybody else can do it why is CS the only paranoid software that cannot. I’ll tell why – Control.

I feel much better now – thank you!
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
MIke,

YOu are showing your tech. weenie side. The issue has always been how do you open this file. The infoemation provided has never changed other than my inability to tell you exactly how the file I know as a Photoshop EPS got that way.

Other wise this all about the details. Who wants to email me a copy of Illustrator and we can continue this into the wee hours? Otherwise the file is about 13MB who has an FTP site? Ann?

Paul
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Ann_Shelbourne
Jul 22, 2004
If you need to edit the text in the Quark-made EPS (but do not have Illustrator), it is possible to Place the EPS in InDesign and then Export to PDF and then do (limited) "Text Touch-ups" in Acrobat 6 Pro.

(You won’t be able to edit the text in a Placed EPS in InDesign.)

Alternatively, as I mentioned earlier, if he sends you a QXP 4 document, you would be able to open that AND edit it in InDesign.

You could also download the trial version of Illustrator.

Now THERE’S an idea!

< http://www.adobe.com/products/tryadobe/download.jsp?ftpID=24 22>
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Hi Ann,

This is what is curious. I am sure he told me it was a QXp doc but shows up as Photoshop EPS. And photoshop won’t do it. I am going to check. Either way it ain’t happening tonight.

But I appreciate your help and the help of those many others who put in their .02. It is appreciated. I like knowing I can frustrate the poop out of myself and then sign on and send out and emergency message.

Worked so far.

Enjoy

Take Care
Paul
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Ann_Shelbourne
Jul 22, 2004
It STARTED as a QXP document but he almost certainly did a "Save Page as EPS" from inside Quark — and that is what he sent to you.

EPS files are curious creatures which can contain both bitmap (rasterized) images and Vector objects and type. If you open them in Illustrator, the vectors are still intact.
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Fair enough – Why is it described as a Photoshop EPS?
Paul
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Ann_Shelbourne
Jul 22, 2004
He possibly opened it in Photoshop and resaved it before sending it to you?

If he did that, he has wrecked the file (by rasterizing it) and you won’t be able to edit the type anyway.

Best plan: get him to send you a replacement file that you can actually use!
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Paul_Sutherland
Jul 22, 2004
Will Do.

Thank you for the help. I hadn’t thought of that but I geuss that is about the only answer.

Thx Again

Paul
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Ram
Jul 22, 2004
Why is it described as a Photoshop EPS?

Either for the reason Ann mentions, or because you have all eps files set to open in Photoshop (through Get Info — change all).

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