Image Is Always Smaller Than Photo Paper Dimensions

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John_Ritzen
Dec 22, 2003
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I can’t find any adjustment than permits me to print my image over the ENTIRE dimensions of the photo paper. For example, when I print a 4 x 6, there is always an excessive border/margin to the left or right. Commercial print services never have this border. How do I fix it?

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Beth_Haney
Dec 22, 2003
Does your printer support borderless printing? If so, please post the brand and model, and I’m sure someone can give you instructions for setting it up properly. Not all printers have the capacity to print without margins, and others have to have manual adjustments made so the image will center properly on a sheet of paper.
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brent_bertram
Dec 22, 2003
Even borderless printing is no panacea, since the process introduces some distortion at the edges. The only reliable way to be precise with an inkjet is probably to print your correctly sized image on larger paper, and trim it with a paper cutter. That clearly adds to paper costs, but is pretty much necessitated by the inkjet feed issues.

πŸ™‚

Brent
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Mark_Reibman
Dec 22, 2003
John

What kind of 4×6 paper are you printing on? Does it have perforations? I don’t know if this relates to your problems, but for the first time I tried printing onto some 4×6 photo paper last night. It was very frustrating as I kept on getting off size borders and problems with fitting when I used print preview. Then I noticed there were perforations on the photo paper and under ‘page set up’ were the choices for 4×6 paper, including paper with or without perforations. You might find your solution in using page set up and print preview. Your printer should support both types of 4×6 printing. My printer now prints my 4×6’s perfectly within the perforated lines. I would recommend using page set up to see what the options are for your printer and then select print preview. I went back and forth between the two until I got it right.

I have yet to find a way of trimming my photos where they look good. Even the paper trimmer at the print shop leaves something to be desired and the photos are never consistently the same size. Anyone found a good trick for clean and uniform trimming?
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 22, 2003
Anyone found a good trick for clean and uniform trimming?

Porter’s and other photo supply stores sell precision paper cutters that do a beautiful job. Trouble is, they cost close to $200 and they take up a lot of desk space. Still, I want one…
Bert
EDIT: The other issue, which nobody has mentioned so far, is that if your images come from a digital camera, you need to crop them to make them fit a 4×6 print.
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 22, 2003
Bert, I was wondering when the issue of cropping would crop up……

(sorry)

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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 22, 2003
Chuck,
groan!
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Bert
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brent_bertram
Dec 22, 2003
Groan is right ! <G> Papercutters of whatever type are at their best when the blade is very sharp ( much like utility knives ! ) . Therein is the primary rub, I think.

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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 22, 2003
Papercutters of whatever type are at their best when the blade is very sharp ( much like utility knives ! ) . Therein is the primary rub, I think.

Brent,
Yeah, the one I was looking at was around $180, but replacement blades were $40! That could get expensive!
Bert
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brent_bertram
Dec 22, 2003
I just "googled" and found some very nice "Rototrim" models starting at $204 . They were the most affordable "quality" units I ran into.

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CS
Chuck_Snyder
Dec 22, 2003
About a year ago, Sam’s carried a reasonably-priced rotary trimmer; I kept putting off buying it until they stopped carrying it…. πŸ™
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brent_bertram
Dec 22, 2003
I’m using a Boston ( X-acto) rotary trimmer. New blades are under $5 . The unit cost around $40 new and does a decent job, but not a perfect job . I use a cutter at work which has a replaceable xacto type razor blade on it, and it does a very good job indeed. Price was about $500 , several years ago. My preference is to print, mat, and frame . Any edge problems are not real problems at that point <G> .

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JF
Jodi_Frye
Dec 22, 2003
well, my scissors work real good for that as well Brent πŸ˜‰
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brent_bertram
Dec 22, 2003
Good scissors can set you back more than $40, I know . I usually pre-cut my photo paper into quarters ( for snapshots ) and half sheets ( for 5×7 prints ) and find the table of the rotary trimmer quite handy. However, if I had better manual skills, a good set of scissors would be fine for me , too. ( Really BIG scissors ! <G> )

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JF
Jodi_Frye
Dec 22, 2003
Ya, don’t bobbit those fingers πŸ™‚
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 22, 2003
Jodi, I had to think about your use of the word ‘bobbit’ for a minute – then it dawned on me….!
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brent_bertram
Dec 23, 2003
I’m not sure that’s a cause to smile, Chuck ! <G>

( scowl ! )
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jhjl1
Dec 23, 2003
I cringed as I read the thread.


Have A Nice Day, πŸ™‚
James Hutchinson
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
Brent and James: I couldn’t agree more!!
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Leen_Koper
Dec 23, 2003
The name Bobbit runs a shiver along my spine. πŸ˜‰

I use a about $200 rotary trimmer with a self sharpening blade. I serves me for about 10 years now without any problem and I never had to buy another blade.
I suppose I have trimmed about 50.000 images, so at least 200.000 timesand extremely exact to tenths of milimeters. Until now it has cost me about 0.01 cents per cut. πŸ˜‰

Leen
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brent_bertram
Dec 23, 2003
Leen,
I saw a description of a rotary trimmer that sharpened its blade on a 2d blade under the table for a self sharpening action. Is that what your’s does ?
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 23, 2003
The name Bobbit runs a shiver along my spine

Yean, down mine as well, Leen. I had never seen her name used as a verb as Jodi used it. Didn’t realize it had become part of the language….
<shudder>
Bert
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Jodi_Frye
Dec 23, 2003
Bert, I’ve been using that as a verb for a long while now. Was in the restaurant biz not too many years ago and if someone didn’t want their sandwich cut in half or something…I’d yell out to the cook…"hold the bobbit!" or " don’t bobbit that! "…..I had made it a regular verb around the restaurant. I’m so bad…but fun πŸ™‚ You should have seen some of the looks I got..ha ha ha ha…i love that.
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Shan_Ko
Dec 23, 2003
The cold medications slow downed my brain so much, it took a looong while to get Jodi’s "bobbit". The thought gave me shivers and tingling down the spine. πŸ˜‰

Shan
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 23, 2003
The thought gave me shivers and tingling down the spine.

Well, Shan, that ain’t where I got the tingles….
Bert
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
(resisting any further comment on this G-rated forum….)

πŸ˜‰

Chuck
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Grant_Dixon
Dec 23, 2003
This forum is G-rated? Your kidding …. right?

Grant
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Mark_Reibman
Dec 23, 2003
Wow, and this was all from my question about cutting photos. Boy, where these threads will drift is quite amazing.

By the way…where is John, our original poster?
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Shan_Ko
Dec 23, 2003
I think John went to look for his tingles. πŸ˜‰

Shan
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 23, 2003
I think John went to look for his tingles

LOL!!!
TF
Terri_Foster
Dec 23, 2003
Maybe his ex has them…
BG
Byron_Gale
Dec 23, 2003
….or maybe just the "ting"…
JF
Jodi_Frye
Dec 23, 2003
Geeze Bob, aren’t you going to bobbit this thread ?
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
Jodi…..YOU started it!!
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Nancy_S
Dec 23, 2003
Rotary cutter…about $10

Self healing mat…about $15

large plastic, clear ruler, 4" wide…about $12

These are available at any decent size sewing/fabric store. The blade in mine has probably cut 1K pieces of heavyweight matte paper (times 4 sides) and is still OK.
CS
Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
Way to go, Martha!

(oops….I mean Nancy)

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Dick_Smith
Dec 23, 2003
Nancy,

Great suggestion, would never have thought of that angle.

Dick
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Nancy_S
Dec 23, 2003
works great…wide ruler so you have plenty to press your palm onto, stabilizing paper and ruler. Perfect cuts each time. The grid on the mat makes alignment easy.
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 23, 2003
Self healing mat…about $15

Nancy,
Never heard of that…where can you buy them?
Bert
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
Nancy, do you put anything between the print and the ruler when doing the cutting? I worry about scratching a glossy print with a ruler….

Chuck
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Jodi_Frye
Dec 23, 2003
Nancy IS the smart one.

Chuck, it was a joke…;)
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
OK….I missed it…..typical….
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Nancy_S
Dec 23, 2003
Mine is a "Lip Edge" transparent ruler, it says "for cutters and mats". It is totally flat (except for the lip, which can hold onto the edge of the mat, but is really unnecessary), it has straight edges. Though mine is 5" wide and 24" long, this is probably a bit of overkill size wise for most people, but it is used for making my quilts (originally the intention of my purchase, til I discovered how perfect it was for cutting photo paper). These can be purchased at stores like JoAnns Fabrics, New York Fabrics etc.

I match up the paper to the grid on the mat, place the body of the ruler over the photo such that the right edge (being right handed) of the ruler is where I wish to make my cut. You really don’t have to match up with the grid either, just lay the ruler down where you want to cut. Place your left hand firmly on the ruler and with your right hand take one uninterrupted stroke with the rotary cutter along the edge of ruler, keeping the blade snugged against the ruler. It wants to follow the ruler edge so it is not difficult. Cut all sides like this. Just make sure you get a cutter with a straight edge, they also come in "pinking shear" edges, which means kinda scalloped.

I don’t put anything between the photo and the ruler. My ruler is good quality plastic and has no burrs. I don’t really drag the ruler over the photo, it’s more of a placing it on the photo… though for minute adjustments, yes it might move a little bit over the photo to get it exactly where I want it. The ruler itself is a grid also.

The "self healing" mat means that those razor blade type cuts from the cutter (which has a very, very thin blade) have no permanent impact on the mat and it will remain a solid, flat surface without scarring. Mine happens to be made by Fiskars, but several companies make them in lots of different sizes. Get one a tad larger than the largest paper you will be cutting. Finding one on sale is best, of course. I have had mine for about 6 years and it is still perfect.

Nancy
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
Nancy, thanks for the detailed description; looks like a great approach!

Now if I can only get someone to go into a fabric store and buy the components for me….

πŸ™‚

Chuck
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Barbara_Brundage
Dec 23, 2003
Chuck, Coward! πŸ˜‰
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
Barbara….guilty as charged!
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Nancy_S
Dec 23, 2003
Chuck,

You wouldn’t be the only guy in there. πŸ™‚
CS
Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
Well…..maybe I’ll check their website….

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Nancy_S
Dec 23, 2003
Chuck,

Just say the word and I’d be happy to go buy them for you and send snail mail.
CS
Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
Nancy, thanks….I’ll muster up the courage….somehow….
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Nancy_S
Dec 23, 2003
Okey dokey, you can change your mind too, no problem…offer will still be on the table.
BH
Beth_Haney
Dec 24, 2003
Chuck, I’m surprised! You? Lacking the courage to go into a hobby store? Tsk, tsk, tsk. You probably refuse to buy ‘unmentionables’ at the store for your wife, then, too, I assume? I knew I should have been talking to your wife.
CS
Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Now Beth….there’s a difference between a ‘hobby’ store and a ‘fabric’ store – at least in Texas!
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JF
Jodi_Frye
Dec 24, 2003
I’ll i can think of is what that poor lion went through to get his courage πŸ˜‰ Perhaps Santa will put a little in his stocking this year.
BH
Beth_Haney
Dec 24, 2003
Well, the last time I went into a "fabric store" looking for fabric I was sorely disappointed! The JoAnn stores up here seem to stock almost everything BUT decent fabric, unless it’s for crafts or hobbies. I think it’s a safe place for you to go, Chuck. Heck, MY husband even went in there and bought embroidery floss for me when I was home with one of my broken bones. What a guy. He said not one person laughed at him, especially not the guy buying ribbon. πŸ™‚
JF
Jodi_Frye
Dec 24, 2003
Beth, I rarely go into JoAnn Fabrics but we have one close by and I could have sworn i’ve seen men go in there….really πŸ˜‰ I’m not sure why he would feel ‘funny’ about going in there <excuse me while I sit and laugh to myself >……….
JF
Jodi_Frye
Dec 24, 2003
Chuck, I’m not laughing at you…really i’m not…it kind of makes me think of a Seinfeld episode where Elaine sayse she could have sworn she sees men on the streets early in the morning ( ya had to see it )….yada yada yada…anyways, it’s what had me laughing…really
CS
Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Jodi, that’s okay – I brought this on myself. I shoulda just said I’d go to the store….even though I knew I’d send an ’emissary’…. πŸ™‚
BH
Beth_Haney
Dec 24, 2003
I am soooo disappointed. πŸ™
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Beth, it’s not so much the problem of going into the store….it’s that when I get in there I might have to ask for directions to find the stuff! Makes me break out into a cold sweat thinking about it…..
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Grant_Dixon
Dec 24, 2003
Chuck don’t do it. Going into a ladies store a trap. I am sure they take great delight in seeing us squirm. Once Doreen dragged me off into a ladies store and left me sitting in the comfy chair while she tried thing on. The lady that owned the store and a lady sales rep from Burlington Hanes were discussing a product. THE THONG. They were discussing the fit and benefits of this product loud enough to make me crawl. I am sure there was a certain wicked glee in their voices. To top it off no matter in what direction I looked away, I was staring at some sexy unmentionable and boy did I fill like a perv in a gold fish bowl. Get the misses to get it for you.

Grant
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Shan_Ko
Dec 24, 2003
Nancy,

Thanks for the tip. I’ve been using a 24" precision steel rule left over from my woodworking days. The need to press down the 1" wide ruler hurts my arthritic finger joints. A bigger problem still is trimming a larger print. I have to march my fingers along with the cut. Otherwise the unsecured ruler would slide sideways and skews the cut line. The 5" wide ruler would make the pressing down easier, and the plastic would be less likely to scratch the prints.

Can’t imagine the rotary cutters are sold in fabric stores. There is a JoAnn in one of the small malls somewhere around here. I think I am old enough to go in there without fear of attracting comments. <g>

Shan
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Jodi_Frye
Dec 24, 2003
Grant, you lie..you loved it…ha ha ha..just kidding…I think.
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Beth_Haney
Dec 24, 2003
Ah, Shan, a man secure with himself! πŸ™‚ I was getting very disillusioned with previous posters who shall remain unnamed.
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Grant_Dixon
Dec 24, 2003
Jodi

I believe that was your shortest post πŸ˜‰

Grant
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Jodi_Frye
Dec 24, 2003
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 24, 2003
Hey, cmon you guys! There’s no reason to feel that your masculinity is challenged by going into a fabric store.
Jeez, I buy my wife all kinds of stuff every year, including negligees! They LOVE to have you come in and buy stuff like that.
Bert
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Nancy_S
Dec 24, 2003
Glad to hear you have no fear in the store! The rotatary cutter I’m talking about is a hand held thingy. I’m going to take a pic of mine and put it on my pbase account in a little while. I’ll post a link when I get it together.
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Nancy_S
Dec 24, 2003
Ok, here is a link to a closeup of the rotary cutter, showing some of the mat and ruler also.

<http://www.pbase.com/image/24403502>

Nancy
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Nancy, thanks for the picture. Now that I know what I’m looking for, I won’t have to ask directions…!
πŸ˜‰

p.s. It does look like a device that requires some manual dexterity – may still be challenging for me…
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 24, 2003
Chuck,
Just be careful not to get anything important caught in it…. πŸ™‚
Bert
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Bert, here we go again….!!
JF
Jodi_Frye
Dec 24, 2003
Ya Chuck, don’t bobbit your toes !
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Good morning, Jodi: it’s Christmas Eve, and it’s time for me to begin my shopping…
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Ray
Dec 24, 2003
What ?!?! You like living dangerously my friend πŸ˜‰
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Just a little behind schedule this year, Ray…
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JF
Jodi_Frye
Dec 24, 2003
yes I still have to go get wrapping paper today…thank goodness for the dollar store !
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Ray
Dec 24, 2003
All got done yesterday (last minute gifts, of course!). Lucky for me, we always buy wrapping paper,
cards and stickers after Christmas on the preceeding year. So we get nice wrapping paper at, sometimes, 70% off. And when the time comes, supplies are available πŸ™‚

Ray
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Pete_D
Dec 24, 2003
I missed the beginning of this thread because I got so far behind I just deleted the past few weeks posts. But for trimming pictures the Fiskars mat trimmer (available at OD, Staples, Sams, Max) can trim a 32nd and even less of an inch sliver of white off the edge of a photo. The rotary blade rides on an arm that also holds the photo in position. Replaceable hard rubber strips underneath ensure a clean cut.

I often add .1" to both sides to make sure I have no white border after cutting to size. Start with a sharp "chop" type paper cutter and finish with the rotary is necessary.

Pete

Ok, here is a link to a closeup of the rotary cutter, showing some of the
mat and ruler also.
<http://www.pbase.com/image/24403502>

Nancy
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Hi, Pete! Merry Christmas to you!! Thanks for the info on the mat trimmer.

Chuck
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Pete_D
Dec 24, 2003
And a Merry Christmas to you too Chuck. (And all here on the forum).

Pete
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Jodi_Frye
Dec 24, 2003
Pete !!!! Where have you been ??? You’ve been on my mind for quite some time <good stuff> and I was afraid to ask if anyone had heard from you….I mailed you but got no response. I’m glad you are OK…you are aren’t you ??
PD
Pete_D
Dec 24, 2003
Hi Jodi,

(Merry Christmas too). Nope, did not get any e mail from you? Been out a lot lately and no time for the forum. Maybe in a few weeks back to normal.

Pete
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Pete_D
Dec 24, 2003
And Chuck, a few weeks ago I tried Fuji glossy photo paper. I had not seen it before and it works as well if not better than the Kodak paper I use. Will be curious to hear whether it works well with Epson printers.

Pete
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Pete, is the Fuji paper a low-cost option like the Kodak? I saw that Sam’s has an Ilford paper now; will be looking for feedback on that also before shifting away from the yellow box. I’ll keep shopping around until I join the Epson forces…

Chuck
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Jodi_Frye
Dec 24, 2003
Well Merry Christmas Pete! I’m glad you are OK and keeping busy. My mail must have been screwing up on the times I mailed you. It’s been a couple of weeks though. Lately I’ve had no problems with it. How’s the weather down there ? Got to be better than here. I keep hesitating leaving the house….I’m such a cave dweller.
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 25, 2003
My experience with my Epson printer has been that Epson papers really do work best. Kodak premium papers have been especially disappointing.
Bert
LK
Leen_Koper
Dec 25, 2003
Probably this might depend on the kind of Epson printer. When I used the 2100 Ilford papers were extremely good, but now with my Epson 7600 I stick exclusively to Epson paper. The reason for this decision is quite simple: my software has been profiled for three different surfaced Epson papers.

In my opinion once you have very good results with some kind of paper, stick to it. Each paper has its own qualities and printing with less good profiles usually will disappoint.

Next year, in January I will have my set up profiled for the magnificent HahnemΓΌhle German Etching 310 grams fine art paper and I’m really looking forward to using it and to produce giclΓ©e prints. But I will have my printer profiled for this paper before I will start.

BTW, there is an about 600 grams HahnemΓΌhle fine art paper too. I would love to use it, but the automatic Bobbiter of my printer will probably not be able to cut it.

Leen
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 25, 2003
but the automatic Bobbiter of my printer will probably not be able to cut it.

LOL!!! Leen, you are sneaky! I am reading along on your excellent and serious comments on printers and papers, and then….BANG!…comes the Bobbiter. Got me right between the eyes. I was totally unprepared!
Bert
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Leen_Koper
Dec 25, 2003
You are OK again?
Next time I’ll be more careful on your Christmas morning.

BTW, did anyone of you notice Mr. and Mrs. Bobbit are famous in Europe too? πŸ˜‰

Herewith I suggest to add the verb "to bobbit" to the official standard enlish language.

Leen
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 25, 2003
Herewith I suggest to add the verb "to bobbit" to the official standard enlish language.

I thought you already had. πŸ™‚
Bert
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Pete_D
Dec 27, 2003
Chuck,

Office Max had the Fuji paper buy one get one free at $11.99 for 20 sheets. One thing I like is that the back is pure white. (no names stamped all over it like Kodak:)

, is the Fuji paper a low-cost option like the Kodak? I saw that Sam’s>
has an Ilford paper now; will be looking for feedback on that also before
PD
Pete_D
Dec 27, 2003
How’s the weather down there ? Got to be better than here.

Jodi,

Just a normal Christmas in the 70’s πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ Looking forward to the same for New Years.

Your little ones are probably having a ball right?

Pete
JF
Jodi_Frye
Dec 27, 2003
Hi Pete, it’s finally over….Christmas and all that other stuff that goes on with me during this time….on another level. Kids are happy. Santa brought what they wanted. Send some of that warmth my way will ya…thanks
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Nancy_S
Dec 27, 2003
Pete,

The Challenge is missing you with your cute little tennies and such…

Nanny Goat

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