Photoshop vs. Photoshop Elements

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aka 717
Oct 17, 2005
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I bought the package with Elements 4 and Premiere Elements for $150. I assume there is a moneyback for a month like usual. I thought the Elements would work will with Photoshop 6 but I can’t even open a pic in Elements to a shell (Photoshop) to use it, especially with actions, etc…

I’m not seeing anything special about Premiere Elements, so maybe I’d have been better off to upgrade to Photoshop CS … ?
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Jim
Oct 17, 2005
"aka 717" wrote in message
I bought the package with Elements 4 and Premiere Elements for $150. I assume there is a moneyback for a month like usual. I thought the Elements would work will with Photoshop 6 but I can’t even open a pic in Elements to a shell (Photoshop) to use it, especially with actions, etc…
Elements is a standalone image editing program. That is, it replaces Photoshop 6. So, if you have either one, you don’t need the other. Jim
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Roger Whitehead
Oct 17, 2005
In article <JcO4f.17101$>, Jim wrote:
Elements is a standalone image editing program. That is, it replaces Photoshop 6.

Yes to the first but no to the second, I’d say. PS6 has some features not included in PE, the most important of which is the ability to record actions. I’ve kept mine on my PC for that very purpose.



Roger
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Jim
Oct 17, 2005
"Roger Whitehead" wrote in message
In article <JcO4f.17101$>, Jim wrote:
Elements is a standalone image editing program. That is, it replaces Photoshop 6.

Yes to the first but no to the second, I’d say. PS6 has some features not included in PE, the most important of which is the ability to record actions. I’ve kept mine on my PC for that very purpose.



Roger
Yes, I should have said: It replaces, for the most part, Photoshop 6. Jim
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Roger Whitehead
Oct 17, 2005
In article <UGQ4f.17117$>, Jim wrote:
Yes, I should have said: It replaces, for the most part, Photoshop 6.

Inarguable. 😎



Roger
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Mike Russell
Oct 17, 2005
"Roger Whitehead" wrote in message
In article <UGQ4f.17117$>, Jim wrote:
Yes, I should have said: It replaces, for the most part, Photoshop 6.

Inarguable. 😎

For the most part. It does not support Lab, CMYK, or curves, so I would keep PS6 around if that is an option.


Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
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Ken Palmateer
Oct 18, 2005
Elements will support curves, LAB and CMYK with Richard Lynch’s PowerTools, but admittedly, the CMYK separation is a bit convoluted. For my part what I miss is not being able to fully edit 16 bit. Otherwise, there is not much the CS can do that Elements can’t. (Still, I constantly struggle with the urge to go all out and get CS2, even though I know i don’t really really need it.) Ken

In article <UGQ4f.17117$>, Jim wrote:
Yes, I should have said: It replaces, for the most part, Photoshop 6.

Inarguable. 😎

For the most part. It does not support Lab, CMYK, or curves, so I would keep PS6 around if that is an option.
MR
Mike Russell
Oct 18, 2005
"Ken Palmateer" wrote in message
Elements will support curves, LAB and CMYK with Richard Lynch’s PowerTools, but admittedly, the CMYK separation is a bit convoluted. For my part what I miss is not being able to fully edit 16 bit. Otherwise, there is not much the CS can do that Elements can’t. (Still, I constantly struggle with the urge to go all out and get CS2, even though I know i don’t really really need it.) Ken

Curvemeister supports curves in Elements versions 1 through 4, in 8 and 16 bit mode.


Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
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Walter Donavan
Oct 18, 2005
CurveMeister is not free. Mike Russell lurks in PS groups so he can plug his software.

"Mike Russell" wrote in message
"Ken Palmateer" wrote in message
Elements will support curves, LAB and CMYK with Richard Lynch’s PowerTools, but admittedly, the CMYK separation is a bit convoluted. For my part what I miss is not being able to fully edit 16 bit. Otherwise, there is not much the CS can do that Elements can’t. (Still, I constantly struggle with the urge to go all out and get CS2, even though I know i don’t really really need it.) Ken

Curvemeister supports curves in Elements versions 1 through 4, in 8 and 16 bit mode.


Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com

DD
Dave Du Plessis
Oct 18, 2005
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:11:01 -0400, "Walterius" wrote:

CurveMeister is not free. Mike Russell lurks in PS groups so he can plug his software.

So what! Mike Russel is of more value to this groups than you top posters that do not even know which side of a letter to respond to.

Dave
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Mike Russell
Oct 19, 2005
"Walterius" wrote in message
CurveMeister is not free. Mike Russell lurks in PS groups so he can plug his
software.

LOL! Remember, only 67 days to Christmas, and Curvemeister makes a great gift for that special someone!

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
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Roger Whitehead
Oct 19, 2005
In article , Dd wrote:
So what! Mike Russel is of more value to this groups than you top posters that do not even know which side of a letter to respond to.

I’d rather people put their new material at the top than repeat all the previous message(s) before adding his or her words.

In the days when people generally trimmed the quoted material to a couple of lines or so, top-posting was perhaps a faux pas. These days, when most users are too lazy, ignorant or arrogant to bother editing the quotes, top posting makes good sense. One doesn’t then have to scroll through yards of irrelevant matter to get to the new content.

Roger
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Tom Thomas
Oct 19, 2005
Roger Whitehead wrote:

These days, when most
users are too lazy, ignorant or arrogant to bother editing the quotes, top posting makes good sense. One doesn’t then have to scroll through yards of irrelevant matter to get to the new content.

Ah, there’s some great logic. Because "lazy, ignorant or aggogant" posters don’t follow reasonalbe Usenet etiquette it’s OK for those who know better to do it also. I guess it would never occur to some people that doing things properly sets an example for the less experienced to follow.
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Tom

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Roger Whitehead
Oct 19, 2005
In article , Tom Thomas wrote:
I guess it would never occur to some
people that doing things properly sets an example for the less experienced to follow.

Nice theory but it hasn’t worked. Just look around you.

Top-posting acknowledges the reality of today’s newsgroups, not some imagined ideal.



Roger
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Tom Thomas
Oct 19, 2005
Roger Whitehead wrote:

Top-posting acknowledges the reality of today’s newsgroups, not some imagined ideal.

I guess that’s one perspective. Personally, I think it has more to do with the number of people using Outlook Express as a news client. It basically encourages top posting since it behaves as most email clients do … placing the new text above the original message.

Wrong tool, wrong result.
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Tom

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Roger Whitehead
Oct 19, 2005
In article , Tom Thomas wrote:
Personally, I think it has more to do
with the number of people using Outlook Express as a news client.

I agree. The difficulty arises in large measure because M$ doesn’t go out of its way to tell people how to use it in a civilised manner. They thus remain in a state of ignorance.

It can easily be set up not to repeat everything.



Roger
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Dave Du Plessis
Oct 19, 2005
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:54:22 GMT, "Mike Russell" wrote:

LOL! Remember, only 67 days to Christmas, and Curvemeister makes a great gift for that special someone!

….for incase it is a Toyota Corolla, I want to be in line, Mike. Must be beige remember…

Dave
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aka 717
Oct 30, 2005
I’ve played with this some since my last post.
I love the organizer. It’s worth the $75. And
Premiere Elements opens VOB files and saves
them as mpg or avi which is something that my
$500 Media Studio Pro won’t. Maybe I should
have bought the CS upgrade and still might
later, but I’m pretty darn happy with Elements 4.

Sorry about the top post.

"aka 717" wrote in message
I bought the package with Elements 4 and Premiere Elements for $150. I assume there is a moneyback for a month like usual. I thought the Elements would work will with Photoshop 6 but I can’t even open a pic in Elements to a shell (Photoshop) to use it, especially with actions, etc…

I’m not seeing anything special about Premiere Elements, so maybe I’d have been better off to upgrade to Photoshop CS … ?

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aka 717
Oct 30, 2005
As far as actions go, does CS or CS2 have a better interfact for the actions menu? I like button mode but getting the menu to have the buttons in the right place with a good color code is kind of a pain and there should be a lot more shortcut keys, don’t you think? They could use control-alphabet if they chose to, no?

"Roger Whitehead" wrote in message
In article <JcO4f.17101$>, Jim wrote:
Elements is a standalone image editing program. That is, it replaces Photoshop 6.

Yes to the first but no to the second, I’d say. PS6 has some features not included in PE, the most important of which is the ability to record actions. I’ve kept mine on my PC for that very purpose.



Roger
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aka 717
Oct 30, 2005
How much does it cost? I’ll gove you $10 right now
for the special ng price. : -) I could even go a little
higher.

"Mike Russell" wrote in message
"Walterius" wrote in message
CurveMeister is not free. Mike Russell lurks in PS groups so he can plug his
software.

LOL! Remember, only 67 days to Christmas, and Curvemeister makes a great gift for that special someone!

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com

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Brian
Oct 30, 2005
Walterius wrote:
CurveMeister is not free. Mike Russell lurks in PS groups so he can plug his software.

"Mike Russell" wrote in message

"Ken Palmateer" wrote in message

Elements will support curves, LAB and CMYK with Richard Lynch’s PowerTools, but admittedly, the CMYK separation is a bit convoluted. For my part what I miss is not being able to fully edit 16 bit. Otherwise, there is not much the CS can do that Elements can’t. (Still, I constantly struggle with the urge to go all out and get CS2, even though I know i don’t really really need it.) Ken

Curvemeister supports curves in Elements versions 1 through 4, in 8 and 16 bit mode.


Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
If you have ever taken any notice, Mike is one of the friendliest and most helpful people in this NG. He always gives friendly detailed responses, even to questions that others ignore as they feel the question was too basic. And no, I wasn’t paid to say that 🙂

Brian.

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