Setting crop tool in Lightroom 3.6

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May 6, 2012
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Newbie to Adobe image editing here.

Have installed 30-day trial of Lightroom 3.6 and although there are many professional features, there’s difficulty in setting the crop boarders. Looking for precise crop SIZE display in pixels or even a field to type crop width and height. How does on set the crop tool accurately? Need to dial in crop to multiples of 5-pixels. Yes, already aware of the VIEW menu.

-Ed

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Savageduck
May 7, 2012
On 2012-05-06 07:22:35 -0700, said:

Newbie to Adobe image editing here.

Have installed 30-day trial of Lightroom 3.6 and although there are many professional features, there’s difficulty in setting the crop boarders. Looking for precise crop SIZE display in pixels or even a field to type crop width and height. How does on set the crop tool accurately? Need to dial in crop to multiples of 5-pixels. Yes, already aware of the VIEW menu.

-Ed

With LR you should be in the "Develop" module.

The first thing to remember is, LR crops to set aspect ratios. Those crops are sized for output with the aspect ratio maintained. I am curious as to why you need this degree of precision.
To be able to make true custom pixel crops sized crops Photoshop is going to be a better fit for you.

Select the crop tool
You will then have the "Crop & Straighten" panel open.

On the left you will see the symbol for crop tool to make a crop to specific dimensions or aspect ratio. The default is to restrain to the original aspect ratio. To change to one of the presets, or to create your custom ratio or crop size, make sure the "padlock" on the right is open. Click on the word "Original" and a menu will open. from this menu you can select a preset or enter a custom size/ratio. The new ratio can be set to 3 decimal places on each side.

I hope this is exact enough for you. If not, you can edit/crop your image in Photoshop or another piece of external editing software. Your externally edited file will be brought back into LR once you are done.


Regards,

Savageduck
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maps
May 7, 2012
On Sun, 6 May 2012 18:38:27 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> brought the following to our attention:

On 2012-05-06 07:22:35 -0700, said:

Newbie to Adobe image editing here.

Have installed 30-day trial of Lightroom 3.6 and although there are many professional features, there’s difficulty in setting the crop boarders. Looking for precise crop SIZE display in pixels or even a field to type crop width and height. How does on set the crop tool accurately? Need to dial in crop to multiples of 5-pixels. Yes, already aware of the VIEW menu.

Thanks.. that’s a very good reply. I’m able to do what you advise without difficulty. When enabling the details overlay, I see the corp size being displayed, but not in real time, only after releasing a crop edge drag. The view interface responds WAY too slowly for any real time crop setting, especially to a single pixel resolution. I can export to Jasc PSP7 for editing, but that defeats the purpose of LR.

Next I try to resize, and find out there is none. Only in a batch export? Basically I do technical image editing and a LOT of photos with Canon PowerShot cameras. None of these are formatted for printing, mostly prepared as content for web presentation.

Have been unhappy with what Corel has done to PSP as have many other users. PSP14 is loaded with annoying bugs, and they talk of "workflow" but its interface is slow and clumsy. LR was intended to ditch Corel. Maybe I need to look at PS (or CS)? It’s just too expensive for the average Joe. I’m not doing this as a business to support the expense, and think $150 for Lightroom is a bit steep.

Additional note: LR created folder or ‘catalogs’ for each of my camera collections, and another for ONE technical folder. These Catalog Preview snippets have created a disk defrag nightmare. It has taken hours and multiple time consuming passes, and the defrag utility is STILL trying to sort the MFT on that drive. There are >12,000 snips in >11,000 folders. YIKES!!

I may not make it to day 3.

-Ed

With LR you should be in the "Develop" module.
The first thing to remember is, LR crops to set aspect ratios. Those crops are sized for output with the aspect ratio maintained. I am curious as to why you need this degree of precision.
To be able to make true custom pixel crops sized crops Photoshop is going to be a better fit for you.

Select the crop tool
You will then have the "Crop & Straighten" panel open.
On the left you will see the symbol for crop tool to make a crop to specific dimensions or aspect ratio. The default is to restrain to the original aspect ratio. To change to one of the presets, or to create your custom ratio or crop size, make sure the "padlock" on the right is open. Click on the word "Original" and a menu will open. from this menu you can select a preset or enter a custom size/ratio. The new ratio can be set to 3 decimal places on each side.

I hope this is exact enough for you. If not, you can edit/crop your image in Photoshop or another piece of external editing software. Your externally edited file will be brought back into LR once you are done.
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one
May 7, 2012
On Mon, 7 May 2012 13:39:17 +0100, wrote
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ditch Corel. Maybe I need to look at PS (or CS)? It’s just too expensive for the average Joe. I’m not doing this as a business to support the expense, and think $150 for Lightroom is a bit steep.

Maybe Gimp would help. Its Crop tool gives an instantly updated read-out in pixels of the area selected which I think is what you are asking for.

Worth a punt (and the price couldn’t get any better).

http://www.gimp.org/
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Savageduck
May 7, 2012
On 2012-05-07 07:44:26 -0700, said:

On Mon, 7 May 2012 13:39:17 +0100, wrote
(in article ):

ditch Corel. Maybe I need to look at PS (or CS)? It’s just too expensive for the average Joe. I’m not doing this as a business to support the expense, and think $150 for Lightroom is a bit steep.

Maybe Gimp would help. Its Crop tool gives an instantly updated read-out in pixels of the area selected which I think is what you are asking for.
Worth a punt (and the price couldn’t get any better).

http://www.gimp.org/

I would add that using CS, GIMP or another editor or plugin for additional editing, using LR as the center piece of the workflow is not a bad solution.
LR provides a very good non-destructive workflow solution for a large group of digital photographers, which also allows you to use third party software such as NIK & OnOne products and HDR software for those who might care.
So with LR you have importation, RAW processing, strong editing and image correction, a good print module, and web gallery creation. All with a powerful cataloging system.


Regards,

Savageduck
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maps
May 7, 2012
On Mon, 7 May 2012 08:24:46 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> brought the following to our attention:

I would add that using CS, GIMP or another editor or plugin for additional editing, using LR as the center piece of the workflow is not a bad solution.
LR provides a very good non-destructive workflow solution for a large group of digital photographers, which also allows you to use third party software such as NIK & OnOne products and HDR software for those who might care.
So with LR you have importation, RAW processing, strong editing and image correction, a good print module, and web gallery creation. All with a powerful cataloging system.

However as I mentioned earlier, LR 3 created over 11,000 small-file catalog preview snips for my images in 12,000 folder. This has caused a defragmentation problem, and I wonder why Adobe chose such a thumbnail structure? 11,000 small files in 12,000 subfolders? q:-]

-G
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Savageduck
May 8, 2012
On 2012-05-07 16:31:51 -0700, said:

On Mon, 7 May 2012 08:24:46 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> brought the following to our attention:
I would add that using CS, GIMP or another editor or plugin for additional editing, using LR as the center piece of the workflow is not a bad solution.
LR provides a very good non-destructive workflow solution for a large group of digital photographers, which also allows you to use third party software such as NIK & OnOne products and HDR software for those who might care.
So with LR you have importation, RAW processing, strong editing and image correction, a good print module, and web gallery creation. All with a powerful cataloging system.

However as I mentioned earlier, LR 3 created over 11,000 small-file catalog preview snips for my images in 12,000 folder. This has caused a defragmentation problem, and I wonder why Adobe chose such a thumbnail structure? 11,000 small files in 12,000 subfolders? q:-]

-G

Not being a Windows user I can’t address that particular problem directly. I would suggest checking with one of the Adobe forums, or finding a Windows user familiar with LR.

However the small entries you are seeing is the manner in which Adobe records the non-destructive edits and adjustments to your original files. Everything done in LR is non-destructive and reversible. This is where virtual copies are created. Note each of these files is usually a relatively small xmp sidecar file somewhere in the 8-12KB range.

In my case I am using Mac OSX and the fragmentation issue is not critical. LR does create a set of files to perform its cataloging function and to relate the non-destructive adjustments to the original image file, along with a backup of the catalog file. So you should be able to find in a "Lightroom" folder or directory four files, where "x" is the version number; "Lightroom x Catalog.lrcat", "Lightroom x Catalog.lrcat-journal", "Lightroom x Catalog.lrcat.lock, & "Lightroom x Catalog Previews.lrdata".

Then you will have the "Backups" folder which will contain the backup "Lightroom x Catalog.lrcat" file, and the imported image folder, in my case, "Lightroom DNG Images". That is where LR will stash imported and converted image files which show up in the LR Library.

Personally I have not heard of Windows LR users having a major issue with fragmentation. As a matter of fact I understand that Windows 7 addressed many of those particular issues.

Still, I would suggest that you use the full 30 day trial to get a little more comfortable with the eccentricities of LR before rejecting it out right. Just remember, while LR does a good job as a stand alone cataloging and editing software, it becomes truly powerful when working together as a gateway to other software such as CS.


Regards,

Savageduck
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maps
May 14, 2012
On Mon, 7 May 2012 17:26:35 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> brought the following to our attention:

On 2012-05-07 16:31:51 -0700, said:

However as I mentioned earlier, LR 3 created over 11,000 small-file catalog preview snips for my images in 12,000 folder. This has caused a defragmentation problem, and I wonder why Adobe chose such a thumbnail structure? 11,000 small files in 12,000 subfolders? q:-]

-G

Short answer top posting. I’ve moved the catalog files to a bigger and faster drive in system (not the OS drive) and LR is working much better! The bigger drive is quieter and faster, and defrags easily.

I’m having trouble importing (or synchronizing) PNG files. These are CRITICAL, and as a Paint Shop Pro user for years (and now Corel – gak gak) with all my file edits saved as PNG, it’s hit of miss importing these files. Not sure why. Will have to ask in the LR forum on Adobe.

-Ed

Not being a Windows user I can’t address that particular problem directly. I would suggest checking with one of the Adobe forums, or finding a Windows user familiar with LR.

However the small entries you are seeing is the manner in which Adobe records the non-destructive edits and adjustments to your original files. Everything done in LR is non-destructive and reversible. This is where virtual copies are created. Note each of these files is usually a relatively small xmp sidecar file somewhere in the 8-12KB range.
In my case I am using Mac OSX and the fragmentation issue is not critical. LR does create a set of files to perform its cataloging function and to relate the non-destructive adjustments to the original image file, along with a backup of the catalog file. So you should be able to find in a "Lightroom" folder or directory four files, where "x" is the version number; "Lightroom x Catalog.lrcat", "Lightroom x Catalog.lrcat-journal", "Lightroom x Catalog.lrcat.lock, & "Lightroom x Catalog Previews.lrdata".

Then you will have the "Backups" folder which will contain the backup "Lightroom x Catalog.lrcat" file, and the imported image folder, in my case, "Lightroom DNG Images". That is where LR will stash imported and converted image files which show up in the LR Library.

Personally I have not heard of Windows LR users having a major issue with fragmentation. As a matter of fact I understand that Windows 7 addressed many of those particular issues.

Still, I would suggest that you use the full 30 day trial to get a little more comfortable with the eccentricities of LR before rejecting it out right. Just remember, while LR does a good job as a stand alone cataloging and editing software, it becomes truly powerful when working together as a gateway to other software such as CS.

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