new to digital cameras, a few questions

mike hide wrote:

The second question is having accomplished the above, what is the best way of clearing the SD card for further use . I know when the card is in the camera that individual images can be dumped ,this would involve many individual dumpings or is a better and possibly the "normal"?, way to clear the card to reformat it ,which I understand will result in the loss of all images on it.

My experience (Mac + Sony camera) is just drag the files from the card in the waste basket

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Just got my first digital camera , a Panasonic fz 20. First I am amazed at the number of shots that can be put on a 256 meg SD card .As a result the following questions arise.

My computer crashed totally [still trying to figure how to retrieve the hard drive data] and I got a new E Machine which included a facility to burn DVDs. I downloaded many images off the SD card to my hard drive with the intention of putting them on DVD . Seems the machine does not want to put images on DVD but is happy to put them on CD, perhaps someone can explain why or can offer some way of doing this .

Probably the software that came with the machine – but that is ONLY a guess. Are you sure that you can "burn" DVDs and not just read them? There are tons of third-party software programs out there, and some seem better than others. Also remember that there are several different standards for DVD (like CDs), -R, +R, etc. Check to make sure that your drive handles the medium that you are using. Some newer ones don’t care, and will handle any blank DVD that you stick in, but not all. Match up the specs closely, burn, verify, then test them by pulling up the images.

The second question is having accomplished the above, what is the best way of clearing the SD card for further use . I know when the card is in the camera that individual images can be dumped ,this would involve many individual dumpings or is a better and possibly the "normal"?, way to clear the card to reformat it ,which I understand will result in the loss of all images on it.

Best way to clear the card is to Format it in the camera. You could Move the files, but that can cause some problems, and, since you have already lost some images, it’s a good practice to leave them on the card until you are SURE that you have them securely and accurately burned to CD/DVD. You could Format in a card reader, BUT some cameras are not really comfortable with this. They like the card to be formatted BY the camera. I’d also suggust getting a second card, so you can keep the images around for a while as a backup. Cards are really cheap now, and getting cheaper.

I apologise for these basic questions and the observationn that I should read the manuals is probably some lips. I hasen to add the instuctions with the camera and E machine are sadly lacking ……mjh

Lastly, when shooting/storing to card, choose the best possible capture that you can use. You can always sample-down the quality/size for e-mailing, Web, etc. but will be basically *stuck* with whatever quality/size you shoot in. Lower quality/size yields smaller files, but its tough, if not impossible, to get better images, than what you shot/saved as. Also, JPG is a lossy format, and if you bring the images into PS, work on them, and then Save the results, you have re-compressed the images and lost some info. Think of shooting at the highest rez/size you can with the lowest compression, or maybe TIFF or RAW, if your camera supports it. If all you will ever do with the images, is print small, e-mail, or post to Web, then it doesn’t matter. Just don’t change your mind.

Hunt

there is certain to be a menu selection to "format" the card in the camera’s options.
this is by far the best method for use in the camera.

the other option is to right click the icon in "my computer" that represents the sd card reader,
and choose "format". this is similar, and *should* work just as well

without more info, I have no idea about your dvd burning process.

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"mike hide" wrote in message

Just got my first digital camera , a Panasonic fz 20. First I am amazed at the number of shots that can be put on a 256 meg SD card .As a result the following questions arise.

My computer crashed totally [still trying to figure how to retrieve the hard
drive data] and I got a new E Machine which included a facility to burn DVDs. I downloaded many images off the SD card to my hard drive with the intention of putting them on DVD . Seems the machine does not want to put images on DVD but is happy to put them on CD, perhaps someone can explain why or can offer some way of doing this .

The second question is having accomplished the above, what is the best way of clearing the SD card for further use . I know when the card is in the camera that individual images can be dumped ,this would involve many individual dumpings or is a better and possibly the "normal"?, way to clear
the card to reformat it ,which I understand will result in the loss of all images on it.

I apologise for these basic questions and the observationn that I should read the manuals is probably some lips. I hasen to add the instuctions with
the camera and E machine are sadly lacking ……mjh

Mike I’m not sure you can burn DVD with the windows software, you need a different program, I got something called Sonic MyDVD with my E Machine that burns DVD’s fine
MOP

"mike hide" wrote in message

Just got my first digital camera , a Panasonic fz 20. First I am amazed at the number of shots that can be put on a 256 meg SD card .As a result the following questions arise.

My computer crashed totally [still trying to figure how to retrieve the hard
drive data] and I got a new E Machine which included a facility to burn DVDs. I downloaded many images off the SD card to my hard drive with the intention of putting them on DVD . Seems the machine does not want to put images on DVD but is happy to put them on CD, perhaps someone can explain why or can offer some way of doing this .

The second question is having accomplished the above, what is the best way of clearing the SD card for further use . I know when the card is in the camera that individual images can be dumped ,this would involve many individual dumpings or is a better and possibly the "normal"?, way to clear
the card to reformat it ,which I understand will result in the loss of all images on it.

I apologise for these basic questions and the observationn that I should read the manuals is probably some lips. I hasen to add the instuctions with
the camera and E machine are sadly lacking ……mjh

mike hide wrote:

Just got my first digital camera , a Panasonic fz 20. First I am amazed at the number of shots that can be put on a 256 meg SD card .As a result the following questions arise.

Looks like you shooting very small pictures. Better look at your settings because I would be surprised you camera came with a high capacity storage.

My computer crashed totally [still trying to figure how to retrieve the hard drive data] and I got a new E Machine which included a facility to burn DVDs. I downloaded many images off the SD card to my hard drive with the intention of putting them on DVD . Seems the machine does not want to put images on DVD but is happy to put them on CD, perhaps someone can explain why or can offer some way of doing this .

I guess you are trying to burn your images on a DVD and watch them on your TV set, right?
You need to create a folder called DCIM in the root folder of your DVD or your player will not find them.

The second question is having accomplished the above, what is the best way of clearing the SD card for further use . I know when the card is in the camera that individual images can be dumped ,this would involve many individual dumpings or is a better and possibly the "normal"?, way to clear the card to reformat it ,which I understand will result in the loss of all images on it.

When you get a new camera you NEED to read the MANUAL.
There is a function letting you format the disk at once.

I apologise for these basic questions and the observationn that I should read the manuals is probably some lips. I hasen to add the instuctions with the camera and E machine are sadly lacking ……mjh

I suggest posting this kind of questions in a Photo newsgroup.

Stephan

Michael 23 wrote:

there is certain to be a menu selection to "format" the card in the camera’s options.
this is by far the best method for use in the camera.

the other option is to right click the icon in "my computer" that represents the sd card reader,
and choose "format". this is similar, and *should* work just as well

Sometimes it appears to have worked but it did not in the end. The only proper way is an "in camera" formating of the media

it did not Stephen it came with a 16 meg card as you suggested . Due to generous Christmas gifts I now have two 256 meg cards . I have set the quality level of the images to high and am generally very pleased with the quality and detail in the images ,something I was very skeptical before getting the camera.

The variations in settings was also unexpected including the capability of formatting the card by the camera . My camera is obviously not the top of the line but never the less impressive ,at least to me .

My main regret is the lack of a good operating manual, I thought my old Maxxam manual was skimpy it is an encyclopedia compared to this one …mjh

"Stephan" wrote in message

mike hide off the SD card to my hard drive with the

intention of putting them on DVD . Seems the machine does not want to

put

images on DVD but is happy to put them on CD, perhaps someone can

explain

why or can offer some way of doing this .wrote:
Just got my first digital camera , a Panasonic fz 20. First I am amazed

at

the number of shots that can be put on a 256 meg SD card .As a result

the

following questions arise.

Looks like you shooting very small pictures. Better look at your settings because I would be surprised you camera came with a high capacity storage.

My computer crashed totally [still trying to figure how to retrieve the

hard

drive data] and I got a new E Machine which included a facility to burn DVDs. I downloaded many images

I guess you are trying to burn your images on a DVD and watch them on your TV set, right?
You need to create a folder called DCIM in the root folder of your DVD or your player will not find them.

The second question is having accomplished the above, what is the best

way

of clearing the SD card for further use . I know when the card is in the camera that individual images can be dumped ,this would involve many individual dumpings or is a better and possibly the "normal"?, way to

clear

the card to reformat it ,which I understand will result in the loss of

all

images on it.

When you get a new camera you NEED to read the MANUAL.
There is a function letting you format the disk at once.

I apologise for these basic questions and the observationn that I should read the manuals is probably some lips. I hasen to add the instuctions

with

the camera and E machine are sadly lacking ……mjh

I suggest posting this kind of questions in a Photo newsgroup.
Stephan

The FZ-20 (Excellent Camera by the way) has a very easy delete function. Go into playback mode on the comand dial. Press the Trash Bin button under the Thumb pad. This asks if you if you want to delete the curent picture. If you read the bottom of the screen it says that Pressing the Trash button again takes you to the delete multiple or delete all option. It works just fine, try it.

As to the burning DVD’s question…. Well I’m just supprised you MAC users can do anything without 3 buttons and a wheel on your mouse. I sure as hell can’t.

"mike hide" wrote in message

Just got my first digital camera , a Panasonic fz 20. First I am amazed at the number of shots that can be put on a 256 meg SD card .As a result the following questions arise.

My computer crashed totally [still trying to figure how to retrieve the hard
drive data] and I got a new E Machine which included a facility to burn DVDs. I downloaded many images off the SD card to my hard drive with the intention of putting them on DVD . Seems the machine does not want to put images on DVD but is happy to put them on CD, perhaps someone can explain why or can offer some way of doing this .

The second question is having accomplished the above, what is the best way of clearing the SD card for further use . I know when the card is in the camera that individual images can be dumped ,this would involve many individual dumpings or is a better and possibly the "normal"?, way to clear
the card to reformat it ,which I understand will result in the loss of all images on it.

I apologise for these basic questions and the observationn that I should read the manuals is probably some lips. I hasen to add the instuctions with
the camera and E machine are sadly lacking ……mjh

This camera should give you somewhere around 100 pictures in the highest quality JPG mode on a 256 card If you’re getting a lot more them this you are probably in a lower quality or resolution setting.

For file storage it’s a good habbit to burn a cd or DVD label it and be done with it. As you’ve seen hard drive don’t last forever. An other idea get the pics you want to keep printed at a lab. Even the best printers are a pain in the ass to keep running smooth for photo’s and the rusults aren’t very durable. I send mine to be printed over the net and they mail them back to me!!
Pretty sweet.
"mike hide" wrote in message

Just got my first digital camera , a Panasonic fz 20. First I am amazed at the number of shots that can be put on a 256 meg SD card .As a result the following questions arise.

My computer crashed totally [still trying to figure how to retrieve the hard
drive data] and I got a new E Machine which included a facility to burn DVDs. I downloaded many images off the SD card to my hard drive with the intention of putting them on DVD . Seems the machine does not want to put images on DVD but is happy to put them on CD, perhaps someone can explain why or can offer some way of doing this .

The second question is having accomplished the above, what is the best way of clearing the SD card for further use . I know when the card is in the camera that individual images can be dumped ,this would involve many individual dumpings or is a better and possibly the "normal"?, way to clear
the card to reformat it ,which I understand will result in the loss of all images on it.

I apologise for these basic questions and the observationn that I should read the manuals is probably some lips. I hasen to add the instuctions with
the camera and E machine are sadly lacking ……mjh

Marc wrote:

snip<
For file storage it’s a good habbit to burn a cd or DVD label it and be done with it. As you’ve seen hard drive don’t last forever

Very bad advice: CDs are TEMPORARY storage only.

.. An other idea get

the pics you want to keep printed at a lab. Even the best printers are a pain in the ass to keep running smooth for photo’s and the rusults aren’t very durable.

What are you talking about? Get an Epson stylus, learn to use Photoshop and use the proper profiles for your media.
Epson ColorLife paper will last you over 70 years.

I send mine to be printed over the net and they mail them

back to me!!
Pretty sweet.

Sounds like frozen dinner to me,,,

Stephan

Marc wrote:

As to the burning DVD’s question…. Well I’m just supprised you MAC users can do anything without 3 buttons and a wheel on your mouse. I sure as hell can’t.

Why don’t you show us what you can do with your 3 button and a wheel mouse?

Stephan (on a PC without any mouse at all)

"Stephan" wrote in message

Very bad advice: CDs are TEMPORARY storage only.
Stephan

There is nothing wrong with storing pics on cd’s. You just have to make sure technology doesn’t mess you up down the road.

From Kodak’s web site;
Storing digital pictures on CD-ROMs
Today most computers come with a built-in CD-ROM drive and a CD writer, so you can create your own CDs. DVD-ROM drives and writers are becoming more popular. They can read both CDs and DVDs. So for years to come, CDs and DVDs will be a safe means of storage.

But the rapid pace of technology means that technology 10 years into the future may not be compatible with today’s CDs and DVDs.

Advantages of CDs:

a.. They can be used by almost everybody who owns a computer.
b.. They hold hundreds, even thousands, of pictures.
c.. They are inexpensive.
d.. They last for decades.
Disadvantages of CDs:

a.. They are somewhat fragile.
b.. They could become obsolete in 10 or 20 years.

Scruff wrote:

"Stephan" wrote in message

Very bad advice: CDs are TEMPORARY storage only.
Stephan

There is nothing wrong with storing pics on cd’s. You just have to make sure technology doesn’t mess you up down the road.

From Kodak’s web site;
Storing digital pictures on CD-ROMs
Today most computers come with a built-in CD-ROM drive and a CD writer, so you can create your own CDs. DVD-ROM drives and writers are becoming more popular. They can read both CDs and DVDs. So for years to come, CDs and DVDs will be a safe means of storage.

But the rapid pace of technology means that technology 10 years into the future may not be compatible with today’s CDs and DVDs.

Advantages of CDs:

a.. They can be used by almost everybody who owns a computer.
b.. They hold hundreds, even thousands, of pictures.
c.. They are inexpensive.
d.. They last for decades.
Disadvantages of CDs:

a.. They are somewhat fragile.
b.. They could become obsolete in 10 or 20 years.

THEY DON’T ALL LAST 10 YEARS – SOME GO BAD IN MONTHS

"Jim A" wrote in message

Scruff wrote:

"Stephan" wrote in message

Very bad advice: CDs are TEMPORARY storage only.
Stephan

There is nothing wrong with storing pics on cd’s. You just have to make

sure

technology doesn’t mess you up down the road.

From Kodak’s web site;
Storing digital pictures on CD-ROMs
Today most computers come with a built-in CD-ROM drive and a CD writer,

so

you can create your own CDs. DVD-ROM drives and writers are becoming

more

popular. They can read both CDs and DVDs. So for years to come, CDs and

DVDs

will be a safe means of storage.

But the rapid pace of technology means that technology 10 years into the future may not be compatible with today’s CDs and DVDs.

Advantages of CDs:

a.. They can be used by almost everybody who owns a computer.
b.. They hold hundreds, even thousands, of pictures.
c.. They are inexpensive.
d.. They last for decades.
Disadvantages of CDs:

a.. They are somewhat fragile.
b.. They could become obsolete in 10 or 20 years.

THEY DON’T ALL LAST 10 YEARS – SOME GO BAD IN MONTHS

Um, how so?

"Jim A" wrote in message

Scruff wrote:

"Stephan" wrote in message

Very bad advice: CDs are TEMPORARY storage only.
Stephan

There is nothing wrong with storing pics on cd’s. You just have to make

sure

technology doesn’t mess you up down the road.

From Kodak’s web site;
Storing digital pictures on CD-ROMs
Today most computers come with a built-in CD-ROM drive and a CD writer,

so

you can create your own CDs. DVD-ROM drives and writers are becoming

more

popular. They can read both CDs and DVDs. So for years to come, CDs and

DVDs

will be a safe means of storage.

But the rapid pace of technology means that technology 10 years into the future may not be compatible with today’s CDs and DVDs.

Advantages of CDs:

a.. They can be used by almost everybody who owns a computer.
b.. They hold hundreds, even thousands, of pictures.
c.. They are inexpensive.
d.. They last for decades.
Disadvantages of CDs:

a.. They are somewhat fragile.
b.. They could become obsolete in 10 or 20 years.

THEY DON’T ALL LAST 10 YEARS – SOME GO BAD IN MONTHS

From Data Storage
by Bill O’Kane, Alternative Business Systems
Hard disks have a life of about ten years, although I still use disks that are older than that and work quite well. CDs are supposed to keep data securely for one hundred years, we’ll just have to wait and see,

Scruff wrote:

"Stephan" wrote in message

Very bad advice: CDs are TEMPORARY storage only.
Stephan

There is nothing wrong with storing pics on cd’s. You just have to make sure technology doesn’t mess you up down the road.

From Kodak’s web site;
Storing digital pictures on CD-ROMs
Today most computers come with a built-in CD-ROM drive and a CD writer, so you can create your own CDs. DVD-ROM drives and writers are becoming more popular. They can read both CDs and DVDs. So for years to come, CDs and DVDs will be a safe means of storage.

But the rapid pace of technology means that technology 10 years into the future may not be compatible with today’s CDs and DVDs.

Advantages of CDs:

a.. They can be used by almost everybody who owns a computer.
b.. They hold hundreds, even thousands, of pictures.
c.. They are inexpensive.
d.. They last for decades.
Disadvantages of CDs:

a.. They are somewhat fragile.
b.. They could become obsolete in 10 or 20 years.

You are not well informed.
CDs ARE temporary storage only. Don’t expect to retrieve anything from your disks in a few years.
Your data will be lost long before the format becomes obsolete.

Stephan

From Data Storage
by Bill O’Kane, Alternative Business Systems
Hard disks have a life of about ten years, although I still use disks that are older than that and work quite well. CDs are supposed to keep data securely for one hundred years, we’ll just have to wait and see,

You need to understand the difference between a commercially produced CD and one you "burned" in your home computer.Two very different processes.

Stephan

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:08:21 -0500, "Scruff" wrote:

THEY DON’T ALL LAST 10 YEARS – SOME GO BAD IN MONTHS

Um, how so?

They’re prone to scratching. They can get infected by fungus in the right (wrong) conditions. Disks that aren’t gold disks oxidise on the surface. And more…

If you have to use optical disks, DVD are much safer.

—

Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

Scruff wrote:

Dudette,

Who ? me?
I could be your father, dude.

at least I am posting statements from existing data and research.

Right…

Nothing I’ve found has any of your "quotes". The worst I’ve found is to be careful that technology doesn’t bypass cd’s and DVD’s, and to back up the discs if you’re paranoid about losing anything, which isn’t a bad idea. Not my words. I looked it up.
Personally, I have cd’s that still work just from the first week burner’s were available.

Look, personally I don’t give a s*** how you store you data.

And, I have data on floppies that go back ages.

What’s a floppy?

You are entitled to your opinion, but apparently, that’s all they are.

You are entitled to your opinion also. Just don’t go around telling people storing files on CD is safe.
Some newbie could come across your post and lose things because of your bad advice.
I did lose many disks, some in less than a few months. Ever heard of CD corrosion? I guess not, your "research" must have lasted under five minutes, right?

Stephan

"Stephan" wrote in message

Scruff wrote:

Dudette,

Who ? me?
I could be your father, dude.

at least I am posting statements from existing data and research.
Right…

Nothing I’ve found has any of your "quotes". The worst I’ve found is to

be

careful that technology doesn’t bypass cd’s and DVD’s, and to back up

the

discs if you’re paranoid about losing anything, which isn’t a bad idea.

Not

my words. I looked it up.
Personally, I have cd’s that still work just from the first week

burner’s

were available.

Look, personally I don’t give a s*** how you store you data.

And, I have data on floppies that go back ages.

What’s a floppy?

You are entitled to your opinion, but apparently, that’s all they are.

You are entitled to your opinion also. Just don’t go around telling people storing files on CD is safe.
Some newbie could come across your post and lose things because of your bad advice.
I did lose many disks, some in less than a few months. Ever heard of CD corrosion? I guess not, your "research" must have lasted under five minutes, right?

Stephan

Maybe you should study up. If you lost data, it’s because you used inferior items.
None of the advice I gave was my own. I took it directly from Kodak, Etc.

Here’s one from http://www.yenra.com/how-long-cds-and-dvds-last/ Most CDs and DVDs will last 30 years or more if handled with care……. ……Many libraries, archives and government agencies store information on optical media, and NIST collaborated with the Council on Library and Information Resources to issue this research report.
Of course you have to take care of them like anything else. And, if it is valuable enough to keep it one should be prepared to back up the data every what, 10-15 years?
This info is all over the net.
Will they last 100 years? I doubt it. The technology sure won’t. But cd’s will last long enough to transfer it all to the next big thing, which will be when, 10 years at the most?

Now, that said, FYI, I keep all of my data on an external usb hard drive. For me that is the best way to go, and infinitely accessible and easily transferable.
That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t use cd’s or dvd’s

Now Stephan, quit making shit up, hop on google and educate yourself, and quit spouting uneducated comments based on your own personal mistakes. ..

S

Maybe you should study up. If you lost data, it’s because you used inferior items.
None of the advice I gave was my own. I took it directly from Kodak, Etc.

Here’s one from http://www.yenra.com/how-long-cds-and-dvds-last/ Most CDs and DVDs will last 30 years or more if handled with care……. …..Many libraries, archives and government agencies store information on optical media, and NIST collaborated with the Council on Library and Information Resources to issue this research report.
Of course you have to take care of them like anything else. And, if it is valuable enough to keep it one should be prepared to back up the data every what, 10-15 years?
This info is all over the net.
Will they last 100 years? I doubt it. The technology sure won’t. But cd’s will last long enough to transfer it all to the next big thing, which will be when, 10 years at the most?

Now, that said, FYI, I keep all of my data on an external usb hard drive. For me that is the best way to go, and infinitely accessible and easily transferable.
That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t use cd’s or dvd’s

Now Stephan, quit making shit up, hop on google and educate yourself, and quit spouting uneducated comments based on your own personal mistakes. .

Read the reply Hecate gave you on the Techie cd/dvd question thread. Have the courage to go to the links she provided and face your lack of knowledge.
If that doesn’t make you shut up I don’t know what will…

Stephan

Hey Stephan,
I like your name, I have a retarded friend named Stephan, great guy….

Well anyway, I have to admit, you’ve shown me the light. No more CDs for me, from now on I’m going to break down the JPG into binary computer code and painstakingly copy all the 0s and 1s onto sheets of heavy weight acid free paper (Using archival oil paints of course). This will go fast for me because there is only 0s and 1s and I’m already a 2 finger typist. Then with cotton gloves on I’ll place the digital manuscripts (along with a copy of the JPG parameters used of course) into an airtight safe filled with nitrogen gas and desiccant. I figure that’ll technique will probably put the dead see scrolls to shame in the area of longevity. I would never want to loose any of my 6300 pics of relatives blowing out candles and shit like that.

PS: I’ve got an Epson stylus, I’m pretty good with Photoshop, but if you happen to slide your fingernail across a printout it’s scratched my friend. Also take your best printout with any photo paper you want, tilt it sideways until you get a reflection happening in the light. You will notice much to your horror that the reflection is uneven and awkward looking. I would never distribute or sell a printout. I do admittedly have a few printouts framed in my house but only in area’s that will receive no side lighting at all.
One more thing, the inks may last 70 years, but truth be known we won’t know that for sure for another 65, at witch point I invite you to email me back and say "HA!!!"

Have a good day,
Thanks for the input,

Marc

"Stephan" wrote in message

Marc wrote:

snip<
For file storage it’s a good habbit to burn a cd or DVD label it and be done with it. As you’ve seen hard drive don’t last forever

Very bad advice: CDs are TEMPORARY storage only.

. An other idea get

the pics you want to keep printed at a lab. Even the best printers are a pain in the ass to keep running smooth for photo’s and the rusults aren’t very durable.

What are you talking about? Get an Epson stylus, learn to use Photoshop and use the proper profiles for your media.
Epson ColorLife paper will last you over 70 years.

I send mine to be printed over the net and they mail them

back to me!!
Pretty sweet.

Sounds like frozen dinner to me,,,

Stephan

Marc wrote:

Hey Stephan,
I like your name, I have a retarded friend named Stephan, great guy….

I bet a lot of your friends are retarded
Asinus asinum fricat!

Well anyway, I have to admit, you’ve shown me the light. No more CDs for me, from now on I’m going to break down the JPG into binary computer code and painstakingly copy all the 0s and 1s onto sheets of heavy weight acid free paper (Using archival oil paints of course). This will go fast for me because there is only 0s and 1s and I’m already a 2 finger typist. Then with cotton gloves on I’ll place the digital manuscripts (along with a copy of the JPG parameters used of course) into an airtight safe filled with nitrogen gas and desiccant. I figure that’ll technique will probably put the dead see scrolls to shame in the area of longevity. I would never want to loose any of my 6300 pics of relatives blowing out candles and shit like that.

PS: I’ve got an Epson stylus, I’m pretty good with Photoshop, but if you happen to slide your fingernail across a printout it’s scratched my friend. Also take your best printout with any photo paper you want, tilt it sideways until you get a reflection happening in the light.
You will notice much to
your horror that the reflection is uneven and awkward looking.

You are surely talking about the Epson 2200
I would

never distribute or sell a printout.

I do, that’s my job

I do admittedly have a few printouts

framed in my house but only in area’s that will receive no side lighting at all.
One more thing, the inks may last 70 years, but truth be known we won’t know that for sure for another 65, at witch point I invite you to email me back and say "HA!!!"

I’ll be long dead by then

Have a good day,
Thanks for the input,

Marc

"Stephan" wrote in message

Marc wrote:

Hey Stephan,
I like your name, I have a retarded friend named Stephan, great guy….

I bet a lot of your friends are retarded
Asinus asinum fricat!

You may have missed it but their was a hidden jab in my first comment.

Well anyway, I have to admit, you’ve shown me the light. No more CDs for me, from now on I’m going to break down the JPG into binary computer code and painstakingly copy all the 0s and 1s onto sheets of heavy weight acid free paper (Using archival oil paints of course). This will go fast for me because there is only 0s and 1s and I’m already a 2 finger typist. Then with cotton gloves on I’ll place the digital manuscripts (along with a copy of the JPG parameters used of course) into an airtight safe filled with nitrogen gas and desiccant. I figure that’ll technique will probably put the dead see scrolls to shame in the area of longevity. I would never want to loose any of my 6300 pics of relatives blowing out candles and shit like that.

PS: I’ve got an Epson stylus, I’m pretty good with Photoshop, but if you happen to slide your fingernail across a printout it’s scratched my friend. Also take your best printout with any photo paper you want, tilt it sideways until you get a reflection happening in the light. You will notice much to
your horror that the reflection is uneven and awkward looking.

You are surely talking about the Epson 2200
I would

never distribute or sell a printout.

I do, that’s my job

Sucks to be your customer.

I do admittedly have a few printouts

framed in my house but only in area’s that will receive no side lighting at all.
One more thing, the inks may last 70 years, but truth be known we won’t know that for sure for another 65, at witch point I invite you to email me back and say "HA!!!"

I’ll be long dead by then

Works with me.

Have a good day,
Thanks for the input,

Marc

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:36:31 GMT, Stephan scribbled:

From Data Storage
by Bill O’Kane, Alternative Business Systems
Hard disks have a life of about ten years, although I still use disks that are older than that and work quite well. CDs are supposed to keep data securely for one hundred years, we’ll just have to wait and see,

You need to understand the difference between a commercially produced CD and one you "burned" in your home computer.Two very different processes.

You need to understand that not backing up your bullshit with factual data just makes you look like a raving reactionary.

I’ve got ‘burned’ cd’s that are 10 years old and work flawlessly.

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:36:31 GMT, Stephan scribbled:

From Data Storage
by Bill O’Kane, Alternative Business Systems
Hard disks have a life of about ten years, although I still use disks

that

are older than that and work quite well. CDs are supposed to keep data securely for one hundred years, we’ll just have to wait and see,

You need to understand the difference between a commercially produced CD and one you "burned" in your home computer.Two very different processes.

You need to understand that not backing up your bullshit with factual data just makes you look like a raving reactionary.

I’ve got ‘burned’ cd’s that are 10 years old and work flawlessly.

Geez, Voivod returns to validate my argument. I’d better go outside and take a picture of the blue moon!

LMAO, well said.
I figure that soon we’ll be able to transfer all of our pics to a life-size holographic converter that , no doubt, send Stephan into uncontrolled spasms when he transfers his porn collection and presses "slide show"!

"Marc" wrote in message

Hey Stephan,
I like your name, I have a retarded friend named Stephan, great guy….
Well anyway, I have to admit, you’ve shown me the light. No more CDs for me, from now on I’m going to break down the JPG into binary computer code and painstakingly copy all the 0s and 1s onto sheets of heavy weight acid free paper (Using archival oil paints of course). This will go fast for

me

because there is only 0s and 1s and I’m already a 2 finger typist. Then with cotton gloves on I’ll place the digital manuscripts (along with a

copy

of the JPG parameters used of course) into an airtight safe filled with nitrogen gas and desiccant. I figure that’ll technique will probably put the dead see scrolls to shame in the area of longevity. I would never

want

to loose any of my 6300 pics of relatives blowing out candles and shit

like

that.

PS: I’ve got an Epson stylus, I’m pretty good with Photoshop, but if you happen to slide your fingernail across a printout it’s scratched my

friend.

Also take your best printout with any photo paper you want, tilt it

sideways

until you get a reflection happening in the light. You will notice much

to

your horror that the reflection is uneven and awkward looking. I would never distribute or sell a printout. I do admittedly have a few printouts framed in my house but only in area’s that will receive no side lighting

at

all.
One more thing, the inks may last 70 years, but truth be known we won’t

know

that for sure for another 65, at witch point I invite you to email me back and say "HA!!!"

Have a good day,
Thanks for the input,

Marc

"Stephan" wrote in message

Marc wrote:

snip<
For file storage it’s a good habbit to burn a cd or DVD label it and be done with it. As you’ve seen hard drive don’t last forever

Very bad advice: CDs are TEMPORARY storage only.

. An other idea get

the pics you want to keep printed at a lab. Even the best printers are

a

pain in the ass to keep running smooth for photo’s and the rusults

aren’t

very durable.

What are you talking about? Get an Epson stylus, learn to use Photoshop and use the proper profiles for your media.
Epson ColorLife paper will last you over 70 years.

I send mine to be printed over the net and they mail them

back to me!!
Pretty sweet.

Sounds like frozen dinner to me,,,

Stephan

Marc wrote:

"Stephan" wrote in message

Marc wrote:

Hey Stephan,
I like your name, I have a retarded friend named Stephan, great guy….

I bet a lot of your friends are retarded
Asinus asinum fricat!

You may have missed it but their was a hidden jab in my first comment.

I find Stephan misses very little. When you’re in a hole, grab for the rope that is offered you, not the shovel.
—

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net

"mike hide" wrote in message

Just got my first digital camera , a Panasonic fz 20. First I am amazed at the number of shots that can be put on a 256 meg SD card .As a result the following questions arise.

My computer crashed totally [still trying to figure how to retrieve the

hard

drive data] and I got a new E Machine which included a facility to burn DVDs. I downloaded many images off the SD card to my hard drive with the intention of putting them on DVD . Seems the machine does not want to put images on DVD but is happy to put them on CD, perhaps someone can explain why or can offer some way of doing this .

The second question is having accomplished the above, what is the best way of clearing the SD card for further use . I know when the card is in the camera that individual images can be dumped ,this would involve many individual dumpings or is a better and possibly the "normal"?, way to

clear

the card to reformat it ,which I understand will result in the loss of all images on it.

I apologise for these basic questions and the observationn that I should read the manuals is probably some lips. I hasen to add the instuctions

with

the camera and E machine are sadly lacking ……mjh

Thank you all for your help, funny how the subject changed which was good because I think many of us something before all was said and done…mjh

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:14:43 GMT, Stephan scribbled:

I’ll be long dead by then

We can only hope.