fixing jpgs

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Dec 30, 2010
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Been helping out a friend with old photos. Fixing them up a bit from tears etc.

Trouble is he received them as jpgs and can’t get the originals to scan them in for me as a better format like BMPs.

Am I flogging a dead horse here, working with jpgs and returning them as jpgs?

When I get them I save as BMPs a copy to work with. When I have finished I keep the BMP for me, and send him back the jpgs as it is better for him (smaller file).

I have Photo Optimizer, but I have noticed on other photos that it leaves the words like ……….. . com on the bottom.

These photos are later to be used elsewhere and maybe enlarged. I feel that enlarging them later as jpgs will mess them up worse than they are.

Any suggestions please?

Thank you as always
Katherine

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Voivod
Dec 30, 2010
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:32:40 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Any suggestions please?

Hire someone who knows what they’re doing.
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jones
Dec 30, 2010
Like who – a professional?. This is all practise for me and I enjoy doing it.

Any constructive suggestions?
Katherine

Any suggestions please?

Hire someone who knows what they’re doing.
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Voivod
Dec 30, 2010
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:51:03 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Like who – a professional?. This is all practise for me and I enjoy doing it.

Any constructive suggestions?

Don’t top post. Learn to spell. How’s that for constructive?
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Joel
Dec 30, 2010
"jones" wrote:

Been helping out a friend with old photos. Fixing them up a bit from tears etc.

Trouble is he received them as jpgs and can’t get the originals to scan them in for me as a better format like BMPs.

Am I flogging a dead horse here, working with jpgs and returning them as jpgs?

When I get them I save as BMPs a copy to work with. When I have finished I keep the BMP for me, and send him back the jpgs as it is better for him (smaller file).

I have Photo Optimizer, but I have noticed on other photos that it leaves the words like ……….. . com on the bottom.

These photos are later to be used elsewhere and maybe enlarged. I feel that enlarging them later as jpgs will mess them up worse than they are.
Any suggestions please?

Thank you as always
Katherine

First, you need to forget about JPG thinking as JPP is a fine format, I am (or I was?) a professional photographer and retoucher, and I always work on JPG. Matter fact, I almost never woprk with BMP to know much about it.

My suggestion is you may need to start asking for hint, tip, techni ue etc. instead of sharing with us how horrible JPG may be.

Sending back a small JPG? it sounds like you are doing it for something not helping out an old friend?
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Lazarus
Dec 30, 2010
Voivod,

Is there a news group etiquette not to "top post"? If so, please explain as it seems much more natural to me to top post… like email.

-Kele

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"Voivod" wrote:
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:51:03 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Don’t top post. Learn to spell. How’s that for constructive?
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Voivod
Dec 30, 2010
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:09:08 -1000, "Kele"
scribbled:

Voivod,

Is there a news group etiquette not to "top post"? If so, please explain as it seems much more natural to me to top post… like email.

You appear to be able to read English. When the fuck have you ever seen a book printed bottom to top?

The written English language flows top to bottom and left to right. Were you to moronically top post in email to me I’d tell you the same.
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Lazarus
Dec 30, 2010
If you are using Photoshop, you can save a "work in progress" as a Photoshop file (psd) and it doesn’t degrade (compress) further. When you re-open a ..psd file, it’s as if you never closed it – no next generation image degradation. Try to refrain from saving a JPEG repeatedly as each time a JPEG is saved, the image (file) compresses further. If you receive JPEGs, it doesn’t matter to convert it to BMP since the original JPEG has already been compressed at least once; you’re not adding more information to the image by converting it.

Your situation sounds like one that I had creating wake/funeral brochures for family. I can tell you that consumer grade scanners aren’t that great at rendering subtle differences. For example, I tried to lessen the contrast to see more shadow detail and there wasn’t any. That is the scanner’s shortcomings more so than the file format (JPEG), and note the images I received were provided from more that one person (scanner) yet all were similar in this regard.

Photo Optimizer? You get the watermark on your photos because it’s a trial version; once paid, the watermark isn’t applied. If you have a digital camera, you may have the included photo editing software already on your computer; try that. IrfanView (http://www.irfanview.com/) is a free all-purpose image viewer and has some photo editing functionality. Remember, don’t keep hitting the Save button and overwriting the previous – with each Save, the JPEG compresses and artifacts multiply.

If you’re confident the photos will need to be enlarged, enlarge them yourself – work with the enlargements. Allowable email attachment files are pretty sizeable now (Hotmail is 50MB) so there’s no reason you can’t go big for an important project. Another option is upload the image to the Internet and the recipient can download (example:
http://explore.live.com/windows-live-skydrive). Better if they have to shrink your photos instead of blowing them up to print or otherwise. Something I learned during the funeral… punch up the color saturation/vividness/contrast (just before detail is lost). Washed-out photos are worse when printed and/or projected on a large screen in a not so dark room.

Photoshop guru’s… please let me know if I’m mistaken in paragraph one, etc. (to include top posting).

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"jones" wrote :
Been helping out a friend with old photos. Fixing them up a bit from tears etc.

Trouble is he received them as jpgs and can’t get the originals to scan them in for me as a better format like BMPs.

Am I flogging a dead horse here, working with jpgs and returning them as jpgs?

When I get them I save as BMPs a copy to work with. When I have finished I keep the BMP for me, and send him back the jpgs as it is better for him (smaller file).

I have Photo Optimizer, but I have noticed on other photos that it leaves the words like ……….. . com on the bottom.

These photos are later to be used elsewhere and maybe enlarged. I feel that enlarging them later as jpgs will mess them up worse than they are.

Any suggestions please?

Thank you as always
Katherine
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jones
Dec 30, 2010
Thank you KELE,
I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

To Voivod,
If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

Katherine

"Kele" < wrote in message

Voivod,

Is there a news group etiquette not to "top post"? If so, please explain as
it seems much more natural to me to top post… like email.
-Kele

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"Voivod" wrote:
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:51:03 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Don’t top post. Learn to spell. How’s that for constructive?
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jones
Dec 30, 2010
Thank you again Kele,
You have offered good advice and will print this out for reference. Very detailed and helpful.

Yesterday I received one to fix and it was all green. So I made it greyscale and looks much better than playing around with the colours.

These pics go back to their "owner" to keep (fixed) until they are needed for a special project overseas, so we won’t know how they will be used. Could be enlarged for framing and hung up around the walls.

You are right about saving often. I don’t do that because of the JPGs. The owner got them from others who scanned them in from the originals (wherever they are), and passed on to different people as JPGs.

Thanks again for your help.
Katherine

"Kele" wrote in message
If you are using Photoshop, you can save a "work in progress" as a Photoshop
file (psd) and it doesn’t degrade (compress) further. When you re-open a .psd file, it’s as if you never closed it – no next generation image degradation. Try to refrain from saving a JPEG repeatedly as each time a JPEG is saved, the image (file) compresses further. If you receive JPEGs, it doesn’t matter to convert it to BMP since the original JPEG has already been compressed at least once; you’re not adding more information to the image by converting it.

Your situation sounds like one that I had creating wake/funeral brochures for family. I can tell you that consumer grade scanners aren’t that great at rendering subtle differences. For example, I tried to lessen the contrast to see more shadow detail and there wasn’t any. That is the scanner’s shortcomings more so than the file format (JPEG), and note the images I received were provided from more that one person (scanner) yet all
were similar in this regard.

Photo Optimizer? You get the watermark on your photos because it’s a trial
version; once paid, the watermark isn’t applied. If you have a digital camera, you may have the included photo editing software already on your computer; try that. IrfanView (http://www.irfanview.com/) is a free all-purpose image viewer and has some photo editing functionality. Remember, don’t keep hitting the Save button and overwriting the previous –
with each Save, the JPEG compresses and artifacts multiply.
If you’re confident the photos will need to be enlarged, enlarge them yourself – work with the enlargements. Allowable email attachment files are
pretty sizeable now (Hotmail is 50MB) so there’s no reason you can’t go big
for an important project. Another option is upload the image to the Internet and the recipient can download (example:
http://explore.live.com/windows-live-skydrive). Better if they have to shrink your photos instead of blowing them up to print or otherwise. Something I learned during the funeral… punch up the color saturation/vividness/contrast (just before detail is lost). Washed-out photos are worse when printed and/or projected on a large screen in a not so
dark room.

Photoshop guru’s… please let me know if I’m mistaken in paragraph one, etc. (to include top posting).

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Voivod
Dec 30, 2010
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Thank you KELE,
I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.

To Voivod,
If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
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Jonz
Dec 31, 2010
On 12/30/2010 1:18 PM, jones wrote:
Thank you KELE,
I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

To Voivod,
If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.
The only thing to do with voivod is to assign him/her/it to your twit filter.

Jonz

Katherine

"Kele"< wrote in message

Voivod,

Is there a news group etiquette not to "top post"? If so, please explain as
it seems much more natural to me to top post… like email.
-Kele

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"Voivod" wrote:
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:51:03 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Don’t top post. Learn to spell. How’s that for constructive?

DJ
david johnson
Dec 31, 2010
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:32:40 +1100, "jones" wrote:

Been helping out a friend with old photos. Fixing them up a bit from tears etc.

Trouble is he received them as jpgs and can’t get the originals to scan them in for me as a better format like BMPs.

Am I flogging a dead horse here, working with jpgs and returning them as jpgs?

When I get them I save as BMPs a copy to work with. When I have finished I keep the BMP for me, and send him back the jpgs as it is better for him (smaller file).

I have Photo Optimizer, but I have noticed on other photos that it leaves the words like ……….. . com on the bottom.

These photos are later to be used elsewhere and maybe enlarged. I feel that enlarging them later as jpgs will mess them up worse than they are.
Any suggestions please?

Thank you as always
Katherine
it really does depend on what size / res the jpg’s are
and what you plan on doing with them afterwards

for example if you want to be printing them out, you need to have pretty good jpgs. in the hundreds of kb not tens of kb. if you can post one

if you just want for website then you’ll be good to go

photoshop has many tools you can use
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Voivod
Dec 31, 2010
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:31:27 -0800, Jonz scribbled:

On 12/30/2010 1:18 PM, jones wrote:
Thank you KELE,
I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

To Voivod,
If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.
The only thing to do with voivod is to assign him/her/it to your twit filter.

Stupid people fear and hide from the truth. Cower, fool, in shame.
CS
Craig Schiller
Dec 31, 2010
Here’s a top post for you, asshole.

Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Thank you KELE,
I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
To Voivod,
If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then and only then do you get to tell me what to do.

V
Voivod
Dec 31, 2010
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:13:23 -0500, "Craig Schiller" scribbled:

Here’s a top post for you, asshole.

Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.

It’s so much fun when I don’t even have to drag you down to my level. You leap and slide so willingly. The fragile and imaginary moral superiority is so easily broken. A few words, words mind you, the most harmless of things, and you’re spouting off like a drunken dock worker.

Congratulations, fucktard. You’re just as bad, no… worse, than what you pretend to despise.

Welcome to the dark side of the spoon!

I’m laughing at you. Still.
J
Joel
Jan 1, 2011
"Craig Schiller" wrote:

Here’s a top post for you, asshole.

Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.

Heck, I don’t care if you are an asshole or fuckinghole. But when you are topper then you will be in my killfile

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Thank you KELE,
I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
To Voivod,
If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
J
Jonz
Jan 1, 2011
On 1/1/2011 9:18 AM, Joel wrote:
"Craig Schiller" wrote:
Promises, promises!!!

Jonz

Here’s a top post for you, asshole.

Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.

Heck, I don’t care if you are an asshole or fuckinghole. But when you are topper then you will be in my killfile

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Thank you KELE,
I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
To Voivod,
If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
CS
Craig Schiller
Jan 1, 2011
Bite me, loser.

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:13:23 -0500, "Craig Schiller" scribbled:

Here’s a top post for you, asshole.

Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.

It’s so much fun when I don’t even have to drag you down to my level. You leap and slide so willingly. The fragile and imaginary moral superiority is so easily broken. A few words, words mind you, the most harmless of things, and you’re spouting off like a drunken dock worker.
Congratulations, fucktard. You’re just as bad, no… worse, than what you pretend to despise.

Welcome to the dark side of the spoon!

I’m laughing at you. Still.

CS
Craig Schiller
Jan 1, 2011
Golly, that’s devastating news.

"Joel" wrote in message
"Craig Schiller" wrote:

Here’s a top post for you, asshole.

Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.

Heck, I don’t care if you are an asshole or fuckinghole. But when you are topper then you will be in my killfile

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Thank you KELE,
I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
To Voivod,
If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
V
Voivod
Jan 1, 2011
On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:51:10 -0500, "Craig Schiller" scribbled:

Bite me, loser.

I don’t swing that way, Craig, perhaps you should look in the gay fantasy groups for your kink fix instead of bringing your predilections up here in the Photoshop group.
J
jaSPAMc
Jan 2, 2011
Works for me …

Lets start a TOP POST so that VoidVo can Kill File all of us’ns!

"Craig Schiller" found these unused words:

Golly, that’s devastating news.

"Joel" wrote in message
"Craig Schiller" wrote:

Here’s a top post for you, asshole.

Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.

Heck, I don’t care if you are an asshole or fuckinghole. But when you are topper then you will be in my killfile

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Thank you KELE,
I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
To Voivod,
If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
V
Voivod
Jan 2, 2011
On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 08:29:10 -0800, Sir F. A. Rien
scribbled:

Works for me …

Lets start a TOP POST so that VoidVo can Kill File all of us’ns!

I never claimed to have killfiled anyone, doofus. You’d hardly be entertaining from behind a filter.
N
N
Jan 2, 2011
"Voivod" wrote in message

I never claimed to have killfiled anyone, doofus. You’d hardly be entertaining from behind a filter.

You must live a very boring life, if criticising top posting provides your entertainment.

Why not get yourself out of the 80s and text based screens and join the world of the graphical user interface?


N
J
Joel
Jan 3, 2011
Sir F. A. Rien wrote:

Works for me …

Lets start a TOP POST so that VoidVo can Kill File all of us’ns!

You are no specialer than others. You will be sent to 300 days vacation

"Craig Schiller" found these unused words:

Golly, that’s devastating news.

"Joel" wrote in message
"Craig Schiller" wrote:

Here’s a top post for you, asshole.

Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.

Heck, I don’t care if you are an asshole or fuckinghole. But when you are topper then you will be in my killfile

"Voivod" wrote in message
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones"
scribbled:

Thank you KELE,
I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
To Voivod,
If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything.

When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
V
Voivod
Jan 3, 2011
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:20:30 +1100, "N" scribbled:

"Voivod" wrote in message

I never claimed to have killfiled anyone, doofus. You’d hardly be entertaining from behind a filter.

You must live a very boring life, if criticising top posting provides your entertainment.

It has it’s moments. How about you feeling you need to make a comment here? Your life must TRULY suck.

Why not get yourself out of the 80s and text based screens and join the world of the graphical user interface?

Wow, that was… scathing. I think I might cry now. You have hurted my feeli… seriously I can’t even pretend that hurt. Why dont’cha see if there’s a ‘Flaming for Dummies’ and give it a study, shitlips.
V
Voivod
Jan 3, 2011
On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:04:24 -0600, Joel scribbled:

Sir F. A. Rien wrote:

Works for me …

Lets start a TOP POST so that VoidVo can Kill File all of us’ns!

You are no specialer than others. You will be sent to 300 days vacation

So I get a free vacation if I top post?
A
ArthurSimple
Jan 3, 2011
is this a real ps user group?
A
ArthurSimple
Jan 3, 2011
On Dec 30 2010, 1:32 am, "jones" wrote:
Been helping out a friend with old photos. Fixing them up a bit from tears etc.

Trouble is he received them as jpgs and can’t get the originals to scan them in for me as a better format like BMPs.

Am I flogging a dead horse here, working with jpgs and returning them as jpgs?

When I get them I save as BMPs a copy to work with. When I have finished I keep the BMP for me, and send him back the jpgs as it is better for him (smaller file).

I have Photo Optimizer, but I have noticed on other photos that it leaves the words like ……….. . com on the bottom.

These photos are later to be used elsewhere and maybe enlarged. I feel that enlarging them later as jpgs will mess them up worse than they are.
Any suggestions please?

Thank you as always
Katherine\
\

Sorry sweety, u probably can do nothing to get the images better then they are (except; you could do something to make them "look better"… depending on purpose you need them for…) Do not re-save them as jpgs too many times. One time was too many for originals. Check what was the compression they came in… this only to know what you actually have in your hands… after editing save as jpgs only at highest q with least compression or better without compression (maybe tiff)… try not to edit "too much" whatever you do… any rotating, skewing will move pixels and damage some detail areas and you don’t want them to do that… also keep editing at minimum if doing something with color, contrast or any value there…
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Voivod
Jan 3, 2011
On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:43:01 -0800 (PST), ArthurSimple
scribbled:

is this a real ps user group?

No, you’re imagining this. Go back to sleep…
J
jaSPAMc
Jan 3, 2011
ArthurSimple found these unused words:

is this a real ps user group?
Depends upon your definition of ‘user’ … see volvoid for an example.
V
Voivod
Jan 3, 2011
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:05:42 -0800, Sir F. A. Rien
scribbled:

ArthurSimple found these unused words:

is this a real ps user group?
Depends upon your definition of ‘user’ … see volvoid for an example.

Aww, another name lame! How cute of you to regress to grammar school level insults.
J
jones
Jan 5, 2011
Thank you for your help.

The only thing I can do is my best. I am taking out scratches, odd pixels and general tidying up.

Some of the photos are not very sharp, so I am blurring the background so the people will stand out a bit more. If the photo are beyond help, I turn them to BW/Greyscale instead of the colours they came with.

I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse, so I undo.

Will keep plodding along, he only has a few hundred to tidy up. I did offer, so I shouldn’t complain 🙂

"ArthurSimple" wrote in message
On Dec 30 2010, 1:32 am, "jones" wrote:

Sorry sweety, u probably can do nothing to get the images better then they are (except; you could do something to make them "look better"… depending on purpose you need them for…) Do not re-save them as jpgs too many times. One time was too many for originals. Check what was the compression they came in… this only to know what you actually have in your hands… after editing save as jpgs only at highest q with least compression or better without compression (maybe tiff)… try not to edit "too much" whatever you do… any rotating, skewing will move pixels and damage some detail areas and you don’t want them to do that… also keep editing at minimum if doing something with color, contrast or any value there…
L
Lazarus
Jan 5, 2011
Jones, you never said what you’re using to fix photos. I play with HDR, see here: http://www.stuckincustoms.com/hdr-tutorial. Software can do fake HDR with single photos. Reason I mention is that a blurred picture can look sharper after HDR processing. Another blurred photo trick is to convert it to a cartoon; yup I’m a Photoshop plug-in cheat. With layers, the affect can be decreased so the original shines through – subtle but effective. There are some awesome color cast correction plug-ins too. Are you top posting!?

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"jones" wrote:

Thank you for your help.

The only thing I can do is my best. I am taking out scratches, odd pixels and general tidying up.

Some of the photos are not very sharp, so I am blurring the background so the people will stand out a bit more. If the photo are beyond help, I turn them to BW/Greyscale instead of the colours they came with.

I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse, so I undo.

Will keep plodding along, he only has a few hundred to tidy up. I did offer, so I shouldn’t complain 🙂
J
jaSPAMc
Jan 5, 2011
Experiment with area selection and "Unsharp Mask". Sharpen is just an ‘edge ring’.

"jones" found these unused words:

Thank you for your help.

The only thing I can do is my best. I am taking out scratches, odd pixels and general tidying up.

Some of the photos are not very sharp, so I am blurring the background so the people will stand out a bit more. If the photo are beyond help, I turn them to BW/Greyscale instead of the colours they came with.
I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse, so I undo.

Will keep plodding along, he only has a few hundred to tidy up. I did offer, so I shouldn’t complain 🙂

"ArthurSimple" wrote in message
On Dec 30 2010, 1:32 am, "jones" wrote:

Sorry sweety, u probably can do nothing to get the images better then they are (except; you could do something to make them "look better"… depending on purpose you need them for…) Do not re-save them as jpgs too many times. One time was too many for originals. Check what was the compression they came in… this only to know what you actually have in your hands… after editing save as jpgs only at highest q with least compression or better without compression (maybe tiff)… try not to edit "too much" whatever you do… any rotating, skewing will move pixels and damage some detail areas and you don’t want them to do that… also keep editing at minimum if doing something with color, contrast or any value there…
JS
John Stafford
Jan 5, 2011
"jones" wrote:

I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse, so I undo.

Copy to new layer
Filter – Other – High Pass (use 1.5 pixels)
Set layer mode to Overlay
Set layer transparency down, if necessary, until it looks best

Does that look better than using sharpening?
L
Lazarus
Jan 6, 2011
I was wondering before switching to overlay. It’s like a focus with minimal change to the field. I just did an A><B comparison with your provided method against nik Sharpener Pro 3 (my previously made "subtle" preset) and I can’t barely tell a difference – maybe a little halo with the high pass if I look for it. Combining the high pass and nik layers work for a stronger affect. Looks like instead of 1.5, 1.8 makes for more sharpening (I bet that setting should coincide somehow with the image size). I probably looked at the high pass filter and wondered what would I ever do with that.

Mahalo Nui Loa, John

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"John Stafford" wrote:
"jones" wrote:

I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse, so I undo.

Copy to new layer
Filter – Other – High Pass (use 1.5 pixels)
Set layer mode to Overlay
Set layer transparency down, if necessary, until it looks best

Does that look better than using sharpening?
JS
John Stafford
Jan 6, 2011
In article <4d253dd7$0$1077$>,
"Kele" wrote:

I was wondering before switching to overlay. It’s like a focus with minimal change to the field. I just did an A><B comparison with your provided method against nik Sharpener Pro 3 (my previously made "subtle" preset) and I can’t barely tell a difference – maybe a little halo with the high pass if I look for it. Combining the high pass and nik layers work for a stronger affect. Looks like instead of 1.5, 1.8 makes for more sharpening (I bet that setting should coincide somehow with the image size). I probably looked at the high pass filter and wondered what would I ever do with that.
Mahalo Nui Loa, John

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"John Stafford" wrote:
"jones" wrote:

I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse, so I undo.

Copy to new layer
Filter – Other – High Pass (use 1.5 pixels)
Set layer mode to Overlay
Set layer transparency down, if necessary, until it looks best
Does that look better than using sharpening?

Sorry, I forgot a step. After copying to new layer, desaturate (unless you are in grey-scale mode).
J
jones
Jan 6, 2011
"Kele" < wrote in message news

Jones, you never said what you’re using to fix photos. I play with HDR, see
here: http://www.stuckincustoms.com/hdr-tutorial. Software can do fake HDR
with single photos. Reason I mention is that a blurred picture can look sharper after HDR processing. Another blurred photo trick is to convert it
to a cartoon; yup I’m a Photoshop plug-in cheat. With layers, the affect can be decreased so the original shines through – subtle but effective. There are some awesome color cast correction plug-ins too. Are you top posting!?

I work with three progs – Photoshop – PSP – and good old standby Microsoft Paint.

As I am still learning Photoshop, I find it easier to move among the 3 progs for options that I feel the others don’t have.

But will definitely check out your link. Thank you.
MJ
Michael J Davis
Jan 7, 2011
John Stafford was inspired to say
"jones" wrote:

I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse, so I undo.

Copy to new layer
Filter – Other – High Pass (use 1.5 pixels)
Set layer mode to Overlay
Set layer transparency down, if necessary, until it looks best
Does that look better than using sharpening?

I was just going to post that. Its much better than any sharpening and mostly better than USM (which I only use at levels to reduce the effect of the in camera anti-alias filter.)

I’d recommend layer mode to soft light (experiment between overlay, soft light hard light, etc. and different levels of opacity/transparency).

Also I’d add that sometimes it can emphasise noise in out of focus areas, in which case erase those areas in the High Pass layer.

I only use PS Elements 5 but it all works for me.

Mike

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Joel
Jan 7, 2011
Michael J Davis wrote:

John Stafford was inspired to say
"jones" wrote:

I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse, so I undo.

Copy to new layer
Filter – Other – High Pass (use 1.5 pixels)
Set layer mode to Overlay
Set layer transparency down, if necessary, until it looks best
Does that look better than using sharpening?

I was just going to post that. Its much better than any sharpening and mostly better than USM (which I only use at levels to reduce the effect of the in camera anti-alias filter.)

I’d recommend layer mode to soft light (experiment between overlay, soft light hard light, etc. and different levels of opacity/transparency).
Also I’d add that sometimes it can emphasise noise in out of focus areas, in which case erase those areas in the High Pass layer.
I only use PS Elements 5 but it all works for me.

Mike

I didn’t see the original message, didn’t see any reply but this one. But as a professional photographer and photo-retoucher I would say.

1. Use the best lens to get the best image so there won’t be anything wrong with the quality to be fixed or improved

2. I almost never use any shapen option, except sometime (only when I don’t feel right) I apply a little sharpen around the eyes or small part of female portrait.

IOW, you should use the camera, lens to get the sharpness and great quality image. Then you may soften a little instead of sharpen.
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N
Jan 7, 2011
"Joel" wrote in message
Michael J Davis wrote:

John Stafford was inspired to say
"jones" wrote:

I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse,
so I undo.

Copy to new layer
Filter – Other – High Pass (use 1.5 pixels)
Set layer mode to Overlay
Set layer transparency down, if necessary, until it looks best
Does that look better than using sharpening?

I was just going to post that. Its much better than any sharpening and mostly better than USM (which I only use at levels to reduce the effect of the in camera anti-alias filter.)

I’d recommend layer mode to soft light (experiment between overlay, soft light hard light, etc. and different levels of opacity/transparency).
Also I’d add that sometimes it can emphasise noise in out of focus areas, in which case erase those areas in the High Pass layer.
I only use PS Elements 5 but it all works for me.

Mike

I didn’t see the original message, didn’t see any reply but this one. But as a professional photographer and photo-retoucher I would say.

1. Use the best lens to get the best image so there won’t be anything wrong with the quality to be fixed or improved

2. I almost never use any sharpen option, except sometime (only when I don’t feel right) I apply a little sharpen around the eyes or small part of female portrait.

IOW, you should use the camera, lens to get the sharpness and great quality image. Then you may soften a little instead of sharpen. =================================================

Try this:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/browse _thread/thread/80c31a4acc521dd9?hl=en#

This thread isn’t about photography.


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J
jones
Jan 8, 2011
Just to let you know that the photos are coming better with "Unmask". But will definitely keep all the suggestions, as there is always room for improvement on my part. So the tips will help me progress.

Thanks everyone.
J
Joel
Jan 8, 2011
"N" wrote:

"Joel" wrote in message
Michael J Davis wrote:

John Stafford was inspired to say
"jones" wrote:

I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse,
so I undo.

Copy to new layer
Filter – Other – High Pass (use 1.5 pixels)
Set layer mode to Overlay
Set layer transparency down, if necessary, until it looks best
Does that look better than using sharpening?

I was just going to post that. Its much better than any sharpening and mostly better than USM (which I only use at levels to reduce the effect of the in camera anti-alias filter.)

I’d recommend layer mode to soft light (experiment between overlay, soft light hard light, etc. and different levels of opacity/transparency).
Also I’d add that sometimes it can emphasise noise in out of focus areas, in which case erase those areas in the High Pass layer.
I only use PS Elements 5 but it all works for me.

Mike

I didn’t see the original message, didn’t see any reply but this one. But as a professional photographer and photo-retoucher I would say.
1. Use the best lens to get the best image so there won’t be anything wrong with the quality to be fixed or improved

2. I almost never use any sharpen option, except sometime (only when I don’t feel right) I apply a little sharpen around the eyes or small part of female portrait.

IOW, you should use the camera, lens to get the sharpness and great quality image. Then you may soften a little instead of sharpen. =================================================

Try this:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/browse _thread/thread/80c31a4acc521dd9?hl=en#

This thread isn’t about photography.

Why would I want to try the one I killfiled? IOW, I have my reader set to killfile any message from Google’s group, and that’s the reason I didn’t see any don’t need to try.

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