NotReally OT Rant: Logitech Cordless Trackball Nightmare

JK
Posted By
JP Kabala
Aug 14, 2003
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OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)

After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech Desktop, the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.

I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.

Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.

I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up again and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech Desktop all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff, but this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this problem. The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.

So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to someone else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on my dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so extra windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.

So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.
D
Dan
Aug 14, 2003
Wow JP, what a nightmare. I currently own two Logitech trackballs and love ’em both. But I will certainly steer clear of any new Logitech purchases until they clean up their act.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com
CO
Carol Ott
Aug 14, 2003
Thank you so much for posting this — I was actually thinking about buying a new mouse….and I certainly will NOT buy the one you did….poor thing!!

Carol

"JP Kabala" wrote in message
OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech
Desktop,
the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up
again
and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech
Desktop
all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,
but
this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this
problem.
The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to
someone
else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on
my
dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so
extra
windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

M
MCL
Aug 14, 2003
In news:AXQ_a.919$, JP
Kabala deftly typed:
OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. <snip>

Was just about to run out and buy that thing; Thank’s for the warning. Now, who make’s a nice thumb operated trackball?


Martin.
"The known is finite, The unknown infinite"
T.H.Huxley
J
JBM
Aug 14, 2003
MCL wrote:
In news:AXQ_a.919$, JP
Kabala deftly typed:

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. <snip>

Was just about to run out and buy that thing; Thank’s for the warning. Now, who make’s a nice thumb operated trackball?

Logitech makes one. Sorry, just joking.


Jonny

“We do what we do because of who we are.

If we did otherwise, the we wouldn’t be ourselves.”

-Neil Gaiman, “Sandman”
E
Eliska
Aug 14, 2003
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:19:34 GMT, "Carol Ott" wrote:

Thank you so much for posting this — I was actually thinking about buying a new mouse….and I certainly will NOT buy the one you did….poor thing!!
Carol
I’ve got a Logitech Optical Mouse, barely a year old and it ‘slips’. When I click and hold something – say a rectangle tool – and go to draw the rectangle, the mouse drops the tool and doesnt’ complete the action. It takes several tries. No more Logitech for me, either ________________________________

Eliska

http://www.ArtChiK.com
Caricature Entertainment
Portraits of Pets and People
T
TB
Aug 14, 2003
<snip
Was just about to run out and buy that thing; Thank’s for the warning. Now, who make’s a nice thumb operated trackball?

Kensington makes a good one. I haven’t had problems with mine.
S
SpaceGirl
Aug 14, 2003
Why on earth BUY a popup killer? Just use a browser that blocks popups like Avant (IE) or Mozilla.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message
OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech
Desktop,
the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up
again
and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech
Desktop
all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,
but
this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this
problem.
The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to
someone
else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on
my
dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so
extra
windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

CO
Carol Ott
Aug 14, 2003
That’s why I got rid of the first Logitech mouse I had — because of the skipping. I couldn’t STAND that….always seemed to happen right at the end of the task, too, when it was almost done.

Chucked it against a wall, and needless to say, it didn’t work at all after that. 🙁

I have an IBM optical mouse now — LOVING it. But I really would like a thumb trackball.

Carol

"Eliska" wrote in message
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:19:34 GMT, "Carol Ott"
wrote:
Thank you so much for posting this — I was actually thinking about
buying a
new mouse….and I certainly will NOT buy the one you did….poor thing!!
Carol
I’ve got a Logitech Optical Mouse, barely a year old and it ‘slips’. When
I click and hold
something – say a rectangle tool – and go to draw the rectangle, the mouse
drops the tool
and doesnt’ complete the action. It takes several tries. No more Logitech
for me, either
________________________________

Eliska

http://www.ArtChiK.com
Caricature Entertainment
Portraits of Pets and People
JK
JP Kabala
Aug 14, 2003
Mostly because I’m an instructional designer, and I need to test in IE, various flavors, to match what many of my clients use on their intranet/extranets.

Of course, I sent a more professional and polite version of my Logitech rant to All my clients.
"Please be aware that installation of…..installs secondary programs…..impact performance and
user productivity…..inappropriate content to a business environment….possibly actionable….."
LOL

"SpaceGirl" wrote in message
Why on earth BUY a popup killer? Just use a browser that blocks popups
like
Avant (IE) or Mozilla.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message
OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the
disk
that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted
to
install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech
Desktop,
the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up
again
and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech
Desktop
all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but
I
didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,
but
this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this
problem.
The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to
someone
else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes
on
my
dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and
are
closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so
extra
windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to
me—
I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60
mouse.
I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I
didn’t
have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

AD
Alan D-W
Aug 14, 2003
"Carol Ott" wrote in message
Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?
JK
JP Kabala
Aug 14, 2003
thanks….will do
"SpaceGirl" wrote in message
Avant is IE… just has a different shell. Download it from www.avantbrowser.com… you wont regret it
CO
Carol Ott
Aug 14, 2003
Or learn politeness?

Carol

"Alan D-W" wrote in message
"Carol Ott" wrote in message
Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

U
Uni
Aug 14, 2003
Alan D-W wrote:
"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

Or keep longwinded, cross-posting females with no technical knowledge out of usenet.

🙂

Uni
CO
Carol Ott
Aug 14, 2003
Sounds good to me, Miranda. The whole lot of them can fuck off.

Carol

"SpaceGirl" wrote in message
😮 how about u just fuck off?

U
Uni
Aug 14, 2003
SpaceGirl wrote:
"Uni" wrote in message

Alan D-W wrote:

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

Or keep longwinded, cross-posting females with no technical knowledge out of usenet.

🙂

Uni

😮 how about u just fuck off?

You were INCORRECT with USB voltage, stating it was 2.2v when it’s actually 5.0v

🙂

See?

🙂

Uni

U
Uni
Aug 14, 2003
Carol Ott wrote:
Sounds good to me, Miranda. The whole lot of them can fuck off.

Who? The people in the Paint Shop Pro newsgroup, like JPK?

🙂

Uni

Carol

"SpaceGirl" wrote in message

😮 how about u just fuck off?

U
Uni
Aug 14, 2003
SpaceGirl wrote:
"Uni" wrote in message

SpaceGirl wrote:

"Uni" wrote in message

Alan D-W wrote:

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

Or keep longwinded, cross-posting females with no technical knowledge out of usenet.

🙂

Uni

😮 how about u just fuck off?

You were INCORRECT with USB voltage, stating it was 2.2v when it’s actually 5.0v

🙂

Oh I see… make a mistake and it justifies this sexist crap?

I you really knew your stuff, you wouldn’t have made that error. Now, get back behind your stove and cook me some dinner. I’m sure you can handle that 🙂

Uni – who’s not impressed with females, other than their looks 🙂

<snipped the remainder BS>
U
Uni
Aug 14, 2003
Carol Ott wrote:
Or learn politeness?

Carol Ott wrote:
Sounds good to me, Miranda. The whole lot of them can fuck off.
Carol

Not setting a good example for polite females, Carol.

🙂

Uni

Carol

"Alan D-W" wrote in message

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

SB
Sally Beacham
Aug 14, 2003
"SpaceGirl" wrote in message
"Uni" wrote in message
Alan D-W wrote:
"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

Or keep longwinded, cross-posting females with no technical knowledge out of usenet.

🙂

Uni

😮 how about u just fuck off?

Hahahhah Spacegirl, why don’t you team up with Hecate and give the U-word a lesson in… wait, he’s brainless and spineless and completely un-teachable. Guess you’ll have to KF him like I do.


Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com
www.psppower.com /FilterMunky’s best friend
www.lvsonline.com/ Paint Shop Pro, Filter Frenzy, Xara X sallyATdizteq.com
S
SpaceGirl
Aug 14, 2003
"Uni" wrote in message
SpaceGirl wrote:
"Uni" wrote in message

SpaceGirl wrote:

"Uni" wrote in message

Alan D-W wrote:

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

Or keep longwinded, cross-posting females with no technical knowledge out of usenet.

🙂

Uni

😮 how about u just fuck off?

You were INCORRECT with USB voltage, stating it was 2.2v when it’s actually 5.0v

🙂

Oh I see… make a mistake and it justifies this sexist crap?

I you really knew your stuff, you wouldn’t have made that error. Now, get back behind your stove and cook me some dinner. I’m sure you can handle that 🙂

Uni – who’s not impressed with females, other than their looks 🙂

meh…. *realises when her chain is being yanked*

I’m going to bed!!! :p
U
Uni
Aug 14, 2003
SpaceGirl wrote:
"Uni" wrote in message

SpaceGirl wrote:

"Uni" wrote in message

SpaceGirl wrote:

"Uni" wrote in message

Alan D-W wrote:

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

Or keep longwinded, cross-posting females with no technical knowledge out of usenet.

🙂

Uni

😮 how about u just fuck off?

You were INCORRECT with USB voltage, stating it was 2.2v when it’s actually 5.0v

🙂

Oh I see… make a mistake and it justifies this sexist crap?

I you really knew your stuff, you wouldn’t have made that error. Now, get back behind your stove and cook me some dinner. I’m sure you can handle that 🙂

Uni – who’s not impressed with females, other than their looks 🙂

meh…. *realises when her chain is being yanked*

I’m going to bed!!! :p

Can I come? We can talk about "connectivity" 🙂

Uni

H
Hecate
Aug 15, 2003
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:56:32 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.
<snip>

That’s really weird. Had mine for about a year now, and it’s the second one I’ve had (still got the old one – it didn’t die, it just didn’t have a scroll button) and I’ve always loved the Logitech products. I shall be very careful about using them from now on and I shall mail them and tell them so. Furthermore, I shall make sure the people on another ng I use (and there’s a lot of ’em) see this, and I shall post a message on a Yahoo group I own. Of course, i shall point all this out to Logitech in the mail I send them.

As for your pop ups there really isn’t any need to spend money *AND* you can still use IE. Just go to:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/eero.muhonen/FS/fs.htm

and download FreeSurfer Mk II.

It’s freeware and even has a panic button which automatically shuts down *all* popups in one mouse click. it works very well and I’ve never found anything that gets through. it integrates with IE as well 🙂



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
EG
Eric Gill
Aug 15, 2003
Uni wrote in news:3F3C19F9.7040805
@no.email.invalid:

I you really knew your stuff, you wouldn’t have made that error. Now, get back behind your stove and cook me some dinner. I’m sure you can handle that 🙂

Ahhh, look – the geek wannabe takes a swipe at the symbol of his torment.

http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp01182003.html

Uni – who’s not impressed with females, other than their looks 🙂

Which explains the restraining order.

You should be more grateful to your mother, at least. It’s going to suck when you have to start paying rent.
JK
JP Kabala
Aug 15, 2003
Oh, the bitch of it is….I LOVED my old trackball. After the surgery to my elbow, I went to CompUSA and Office Depot and
bought 5 different mice– I returned all but the Logitech because the ergonomics were so perfect. My only complaint about it (until it died) was that it ate batteries like peanuts.

But I’ll have to make do with a different one, I guess.

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:56:32 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

That’s really weird. Had mine for about a year now, and it’s the second one I’ve had (still got the old one – it didn’t die, it just didn’t have a scroll button) and I’ve always loved the Logitech products. I shall be very careful about using them from now on and I shall mail them and tell them so. Furthermore, I shall make sure the people on another ng I use (and there’s a lot of ’em) see this, and I shall post a message on a Yahoo group I own. Of course, i shall point all this out to Logitech in the mail I send them.
<snip>
In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message
OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech
Desktop,
the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up
again
and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech
Desktop
all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,
but
this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this
problem.
The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to
someone
else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on
my
dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so
extra
windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

F
fugitive
Aug 15, 2003
Aren’t you the one who just turned thirty? Why not act like it, instead of
a 19 yr old?

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:
In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message
OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech
Desktop,
the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up
again
and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech
Desktop
all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,
but
this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this
problem.
The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to
someone
else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on
my
dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so
extra
windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

JK
JP Kabala
Aug 15, 2003
Nice try…but it doesn’t fly. Do a Google search.
I’m not the only person screaming about Spyware
in Logitech software. Even their tech support guy
admitted it was there. Now that I’m
calmer I will say that I don’t really believe that
Logitech planned it that way– apparently, the
system they put in place to allow automatic
driver updates poses a security problem and
some moron has figured out how to capitalize
on it. If I take a deep breath and think about it,
it might be like blaming my ISP for the SPAM
I get every blasted day. Shooting the Messenger.

But that still doesn’t excuse their dumb automated
customer service system, which was responsible
for far more than 50% of my anger.

My biggest bitch with Logitech is that they
evidently cannot provide an XP driver that both allows
me to remap the buttons and does not require
the Logitech Desktop piece……thereby exposing
folks to the hijack.

The specific problem is Polite BackWeb, which is supposed to link to Logitech at logon and check for updates. It
also drives ads from their partners- e-bay and Music Match. ans somehow got hooked into an adware service which drives lots of other ads– mostly software, magazines, pharmaceuticals, music, mortgage lenders, dating services and casinos
and e-bay but, yes, every so often, some soft-core porn.

And I don’t need 25 even totally innocuous e-bay,
e-mode, mortgage, and car finder windows
clogging up my system popping up while
I’m trying to teach or talk to a client.

I’m a grownup. I don’t need to apologize
to anyone for my actions. Frankly, I’d imagine that
my SO, presented with something like your
fictitious scenario, would laugh, and say
"What a bummer. Was it at least GOOD porn?"

I returned the mouse, did an XP restore (which I
really didn’t want to do) and will buy myself
another trackball when I find one I like. Rats.
The thing is I LIKE **that** trackball.
It fits my hand better than any other one I’ve
ever had.

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in message
In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message
OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the
disk
that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted
to
install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech
Desktop,
the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up
again
and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech
Desktop
all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but
I
didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,
but
this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this
problem.
The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to
someone
else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes
on
my
dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and
are
closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so
extra
windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to
me—
I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60
mouse.
I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I
didn’t
have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

F
fugitive
Aug 15, 2003
Seems like I head Porter bragging about her mouse a few times, it may be the same one, can’t be sure. I’m in mouse limbo, myself. My Wacom bit it, and I’m using the corded one that came with the puter, hate
the wire, as I can feel it.

JP Kabala wrote:
Nice try…but it doesn’t fly. Do a Google search.
I’m not the only person screaming about Spyware
in Logitech software. Even their tech support guy
admitted it was there. Now that I’m
calmer I will say that I don’t really believe that
Logitech planned it that way– apparently, the
system they put in place to allow automatic
driver updates poses a security problem and
some moron has figured out how to capitalize
on it. If I take a deep breath and think about it,
it might be like blaming my ISP for the SPAM
I get every blasted day. Shooting the Messenger.

But that still doesn’t excuse their dumb automated
customer service system, which was responsible
for far more than 50% of my anger.

My biggest bitch with Logitech is that they
evidently cannot provide an XP driver that both allows
me to remap the buttons and does not require
the Logitech Desktop piece……thereby exposing
folks to the hijack.

The specific problem is Polite BackWeb, which is supposed to link to Logitech at logon and check for updates. It
also drives ads from their partners- e-bay and Music Match. ans somehow got hooked into an adware service which drives lots of other ads– mostly software, magazines, pharmaceuticals, music, mortgage lenders, dating services and casinos
and e-bay but, yes, every so often, some soft-core porn.
And I don’t need 25 even totally innocuous e-bay,
e-mode, mortgage, and car finder windows
clogging up my system popping up while
I’m trying to teach or talk to a client.

I’m a grownup. I don’t need to apologize
to anyone for my actions. Frankly, I’d imagine that
my SO, presented with something like your
fictitious scenario, would laugh, and say
"What a bummer. Was it at least GOOD porn?"

I returned the mouse, did an XP restore (which I
really didn’t want to do) and will buy myself
another trackball when I find one I like. Rats.
The thing is I LIKE **that** trackball.
It fits my hand better than any other one I’ve
ever had.

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in message
In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message
OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the
disk
that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted
to
install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech
Desktop,
the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up
again
and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech
Desktop
all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but
I
didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,
but
this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this
problem.
The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to
someone
else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes
on
my
dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and
are
closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so
extra
windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to
me—
I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60
mouse.
I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I
didn’t
have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

U
Uni
Aug 15, 2003
Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:
In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

ROFL!

🙂

Uni

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

U
Uni
Aug 15, 2003
fugitive wrote:
Seems like I head Porter bragging about her mouse a few times, it may be the same one, can’t be sure. I’m in mouse limbo, myself. My Wacom bit it, and I’m using the corded one that came with the puter, hate
the wire, as I can feel it.

‘Cause you’re a whimp.

🙂

Uni

JP Kabala wrote:

Nice try…but it doesn’t fly. Do a Google search.
I’m not the only person screaming about Spyware
in Logitech software. Even their tech support guy
admitted it was there. Now that I’m
calmer I will say that I don’t really believe that
Logitech planned it that way– apparently, the
system they put in place to allow automatic
driver updates poses a security problem and
some moron has figured out how to capitalize
on it. If I take a deep breath and think about it,
it might be like blaming my ISP for the SPAM
I get every blasted day. Shooting the Messenger.

But that still doesn’t excuse their dumb automated
customer service system, which was responsible
for far more than 50% of my anger.

My biggest bitch with Logitech is that they
evidently cannot provide an XP driver that both allows
me to remap the buttons and does not require
the Logitech Desktop piece……thereby exposing
folks to the hijack.

The specific problem is Polite BackWeb, which is supposed to link to Logitech at logon and check for updates. It
also drives ads from their partners- e-bay and Music Match. ans somehow got hooked into an adware service which drives lots of other ads– mostly software, magazines, pharmaceuticals, music, mortgage lenders, dating services and casinos
and e-bay but, yes, every so often, some soft-core porn.
And I don’t need 25 even totally innocuous e-bay,
e-mode, mortgage, and car finder windows
clogging up my system popping up while
I’m trying to teach or talk to a client.

I’m a grownup. I don’t need to apologize
to anyone for my actions. Frankly, I’d imagine that
my SO, presented with something like your
fictitious scenario, would laugh, and say
"What a bummer. Was it at least GOOD porn?"

I returned the mouse, did an XP restore (which I
really didn’t want to do) and will buy myself
another trackball when I find one I like. Rats.
The thing is I LIKE **that** trackball.
It fits my hand better than any other one I’ve
ever had.

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in message
In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the
disk

that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted
to

install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but
I

didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes
on

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and
are

closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to
me—

I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60
mouse.

I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I
didn’t

have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

U
Uni
Aug 15, 2003
JP Kabala wrote:
Nice try…but it doesn’t fly. Do a Google search.
I’m not the only person screaming about Spyware
in Logitech software. Even their tech support guy
admitted it was there. Now that I’m
calmer I will say that I don’t really believe that
Logitech planned it that way– apparently, the
system they put in place to allow automatic
driver updates poses a security problem and
some moron has figured out how to capitalize
on it. If I take a deep breath and think about it,
it might be like blaming my ISP for the SPAM
I get every blasted day. Shooting the Messenger.

But that still doesn’t excuse their dumb automated
customer service system, which was responsible
for far more than 50% of my anger.

My biggest bitch with Logitech is that they
evidently cannot provide an XP driver that both allows
me to remap the buttons and does not require
the Logitech Desktop piece……thereby exposing
folks to the hijack.

The specific problem is Polite BackWeb, which is supposed to link to Logitech at logon and check for updates. It
also drives ads from their partners- e-bay and Music Match. ans somehow got hooked into an adware service which drives lots of other ads– mostly software, magazines, pharmaceuticals, music, mortgage lenders, dating services and casinos
and e-bay but, yes, every so often, some soft-core porn.
And I don’t need 25 even totally innocuous e-bay,
e-mode, mortgage, and car finder windows
clogging up my system popping up while
I’m trying to teach or talk to a client.

I’m a grownup. I don’t need to apologize
to anyone for my actions. Frankly, I’d imagine that
my SO, presented with something like your
fictitious scenario, would laugh, and say
"What a bummer. Was it at least GOOD porn?"

I returned the mouse, did an XP restore (which I
really didn’t want to do) and will buy myself
another trackball when I find one I like. Rats.
The thing is I LIKE **that** trackball.
It fits my hand better than any other one I’ve
ever had.

Yap, yap, yap….. non technical females!

🙂

Uni

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in message
In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the
disk

that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted
to

install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but
I

didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes
on

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and
are

closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to
me—

I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60
mouse.

I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I
didn’t

have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

I may be thirty, I may act 19, but I can spot
bullshit a mile away.

-woof.

"fugitive" <"gregfarr,kill_trolls"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Aren’t you the one who just turned thirty? Why not act like it, instead of
a 19 yr old?

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:
In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message
OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the
disk
that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted
to
install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech
Desktop,
the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is
new.
The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration
mode
25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of
crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up
again
and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech
Desktop
all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons,
but I
didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the
stuff,
but
this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates
from
somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this
problem.
The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to
someone
else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes
on
my
dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and
are
closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so
extra
windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to
me—
I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60
mouse.
I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the
computer
again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I
didn’t
have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns
a
computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

J
Jim
Aug 15, 2003
Hecate
I am afraid to install FreeSurfer after reading the forum at their web site http://www.emsproject.dns2go.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=208& whichpage=1 Jim

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:56:32 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.
<snip>

That’s really weird. Had mine for about a year now, and it’s the second one I’ve had (still got the old one – it didn’t die, it just didn’t have a scroll button) and I’ve always loved the Logitech products. I shall be very careful about using them from now on and I shall mail them and tell them so. Furthermore, I shall make sure the people on another ng I use (and there’s a lot of ’em) see this, and I shall post a message on a Yahoo group I own. Of course, i shall point all this out to Logitech in the mail I send them.

As for your pop ups there really isn’t any need to spend money *AND* you can still use IE. Just go to:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/eero.muhonen/FS/fs.htm

and download FreeSurfer Mk II.

It’s freeware and even has a panic button which automatically shuts down *all* popups in one mouse click. it works very well and I’ve never found anything that gets through. it integrates with IE as well 🙂



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)

B
Brian
Aug 15, 2003
Carol Ott wrote:
Or learn politeness?

Or learn to STOP CROSSPOSTING!
B
Brian
Aug 15, 2003
Carol Ott wrote:
Or learn politeness?

Or learn to STOP CROSSPOSTING!!!
B
ben-dover
Aug 15, 2003
did you delete the cookies and temporary internet files it fixed my pop up problem.
"JP Kabala" wrote in message
OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech
Desktop,
the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up
again
and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech
Desktop
all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,
but
this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this
problem.
The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to
someone
else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on
my
dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so
extra
windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

F
fugitive
Aug 15, 2003
So can I and your FOS, she doesn’t.

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:
I may be thirty, I may act 19, but I can spot
bullshit a mile away.

-woof.

"fugitive" <"gregfarr,kill_trolls"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Aren’t you the one who just turned thirty? Why not act like it, instead of
a 19 yr old?

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:
In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message
OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the
disk
that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted
to
install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech
Desktop,
the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is
new.
The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration
mode
25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of
crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up
again
and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech
Desktop
all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons,
but I
didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the
stuff,
but
this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates
from
somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this
problem.
The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to
someone
else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes
on
my
dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and
are
closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so
extra
windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to
me—
I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60
mouse.
I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the
computer
again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I
didn’t
have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns
a
computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

TK
Ted Kerin
Aug 15, 2003
I don’t have XP, but have you tried to find out whether it includes a generic trackball driver?

I had trouble with a Logitech mouse, years ago — no spyware, but it had a "smart click" feature that caused big problems in PhotoShop. (Any time I lifted the Wacom pen from the pad, the line would take a big diagonal jump.) Disabling "smart click" didn’t help — I had to completely uninstall the Logitech driver.

The good news was, the mouse ran fine on a generic MS mouse driver, which was part of Win95. In fact, I think it installed automatically when I removed the Logitech driver then rebooted.

If there is a generic trackball driver, I realize it might not have all the features and options, but….might be worth checking out.
S
Stephan
Aug 15, 2003
"Brian" wrote in message
Carol Ott wrote:
Or learn politeness?

Or learn to STOP CROSSPOSTING!!!

Like you just did? Duh
H
Hecate
Aug 15, 2003
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:08:36 -0500, "Jim" wrote:

Hecate
I am afraid to install FreeSurfer after reading the forum at their web site http://www.emsproject.dns2go.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=208& whichpage=1 Jim
All I can say is, it was recommended to me, and that I’ve never had any problem with it at all. it just sits there and does what it says it’ll do, which is kill bad pop-ups. My guess is this:

You can run Freesurfer in "Natural" or "Strict" Modes. it specifically states that they recommend "Natural" and that "Strict" mode is only for people who know what they’re doing and have the time to spend isolating particular URL to allow through. I suspect that people with no knowledge have been trying out strict mode.

I have never had that runtime error, or any others with Freesurfer. Of course, everyone’s PC is different, due to the wide variety of software and possible hardware configurations. All I can say is that neither myself, or anyone I know that uses it, has had a problem.



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
H
Hecate
Aug 15, 2003
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:29:07 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

The specific problem is Polite BackWeb, which is supposed to link to Logitech at logon and check for updates. It
also drives ads from their partners- e-bay and Music Match. ans somehow got hooked into an adware service which drives lots of other ads– mostly software, magazines, pharmaceuticals, music, mortgage lenders, dating services and casinos
and e-bay but, yes, every so often, some soft-core porn.
Want a cure? Buy Outpost Firewall from Agnitum (www.agnitum.com) . Apart from being the best firewall software around (no, I don’t have nay links with them, I just use it) when Polite Backweb tries to connect to the internet, Outpost will ask you if you want to let it. You just tell Outpost to never let it connect. Problem solved, and you can use the Logitech trackball.

p&m



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
EG
Eric Gill
Aug 15, 2003
"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in
news:aR3%a.2365726$:

I may be thirty, I may act 19, but I can spot
bullshit a mile away.

As can we all, especially since we’re able to the websearch you haven’t managed yet.

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

Backweb is spyware. Logitech is one of their clients. You were dead wrong, didn’t bother to see if you were, and were a prick about it.
My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

-woof.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in
news:aR3%a.2365726$:

I may be thirty, I may act 19, but I can spot
bullshit a mile away.

As can we all, especially since we’re able to the websearch you haven’t managed yet.

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

Backweb is spyware. Logitech is one of their clients. You were dead wrong, didn’t bother to see if you were, and were a prick about it.
U
Uni
Aug 16, 2003
Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:
My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

Gill man ain’t too technically oriented, woofer.

🙂

Uni

-woof.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in
news:aR3%a.2365726$:

I may be thirty, I may act 19, but I can spot
bullshit a mile away.

As can we all, especially since we’re able to the websearch you haven’t managed yet.

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

Backweb is spyware. Logitech is one of their clients. You were dead wrong, didn’t bother to see if you were, and were a prick about it.

EG
Eric Gill
Aug 16, 2003
"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in
news:Wne%a.2391147$:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

It’s all there on the company’s web page:

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

Lying about it now simply makes you look like an idiot.

<snip>
EG
Eric Gill
Aug 16, 2003
Uni wrote in
news::

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:
My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

Gill man ain’t too technically oriented, woofer.

Now there’s a pathetic piece of hypocrisy if I’ve ever heard one.

<sigh> Two Net.Liars in a love-fest. How charming.
SB
Sally Beacham
Aug 16, 2003
"Eric Gill" wrote in message
Uni wrote in news:3F3D8CA3.402
<sigh> One Net.unintelligent user. How sweet.

🙂

Toodles, Erica.

🙂

Uni

Jesus, boy – that didn’t even make sense. From pathetic hypocrisy straight to pathetic parroting.

Why do you bother?

Pssssssssssssssssssst… Eric. Killfile. Don’t even expend any more oxygen on the middle-aged, unemployed truck-driver pedophile troll. He hates it when he’s invisible.

(P.S. – that wasn’t even a slam, it’s a fact. Google-ize if you want to waste any more time on the slime.)


Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com
www.psppower.com /FilterMunky’s best friend
www.lvsonline.com/ Paint Shop Pro, Filter Frenzy, Xara X sallyATdizteq.com
U
Uni
Aug 16, 2003
Eric Gill wrote:
Uni wrote in news:3F3D8CA3.402
@no.email.invalid:

Eric Gill wrote:

Uni wrote in
news::

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

Gill man ain’t too technically oriented, woofer.

Now there’s a pathetic piece of hypocrisy if I’ve ever heard one.
<sigh> Two Net.Liars in a love-fest. How charming.

<sigh> One Net.unintelligent user. How sweet.

🙂

Toodles, Erica.

🙂

Uni

Jesus, boy – that didn’t even make sense. From pathetic hypocrisy straight to pathetic parroting.

Why do you bother?

Go read a book, Eric and keep your single brain cell active.

🙂

Uni
I’ve no need, nor do I get any benefit from
lying in a newsgroup.

I’ve got Logitech Mice, Logitech Keyboards,
and have installed all their software multiple
times without spyware showing up.
If you can’t accept that simple fact, I
invite you to get on your knees, and
suck my fucking ass.

-woof.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in
news:Wne%a.2391147$:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

It’s all there on the company’s web page:

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

Lying about it now simply makes you look like an idiot.

<snip>
Oh, and since you felt inclined to insult my
websearching skills, I’ll turn that brainfart
around and point it back at ya, noting that
perhaps if you’d searched beforehand, you’d
find that I established several times that I use
Logitech keyboards and mice.

….and thanks for playing, bitch.

-woof.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in
news:Wne%a.2391147$:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

It’s all there on the company’s web page:

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

Lying about it now simply makes you look like an idiot.

<snip>
JK
JP Kabala
Aug 16, 2003
OK, guys…. enough.

Thanks for backing me up, Eric. I might have doubted
me if *I* hadn’t lived through this one. I’ve always
been a big fan of Logitech.

Triumph, FWIW, as I said in the first post, I’ve
had Logitech products for 4 or 5 years now, and this
is the first time I ran into this, too.
My old trackball, which looked identical to and had the same model number as the new one, used different software.

The last Logitech mouse I bought, (before this one) was
about 15 months ago for a computer at my office,
and it did not install Polite, and, come to think of it, when I bought my new laptop in December
and I d/l drivers from the website so I could use my trackball there if I wanted to, I didn’t have the problem. This
is a relatively "new" phenomenon, and not a plus in my book. If your software didn’t include something called
Logitech Desktop in addition to Mouseware, you
probably have an older or different version. Mine was v 9.78. I think it’s only a couple of months old and if you have a combo keyboard/mouse yours is very likely different than mine.

I got private mail from support at Logitech today
apologizing and promising to try to find me an
older driver without the "enhancements"

Squeaky wheels and all that.

EG
Eric Gill
Aug 16, 2003
"Sally Beacham" wrote in
news::

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
Uni wrote in news:3F3D8CA3.402
<sigh> One Net.unintelligent user. How sweet.

🙂

Toodles, Erica.

🙂

Uni

Jesus, boy – that didn’t even make sense. From pathetic hypocrisy straight to pathetic parroting.

Why do you bother?

Pssssssssssssssssssst… Eric. Killfile. Don’t even expend any more oxygen on the middle-aged, unemployed truck-driver pedophile troll. He hates it when he’s invisible.

Yes. His value as a punching bag dropped to zero, as poor as his lame attempts at flames have become.

I forgot the <plonk> on that last message.
U
Uni
Aug 16, 2003
Eric Gill wrote:
"Sally Beacham" wrote in
news::

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

Uni wrote in news:3F3D8CA3.402

<sigh> One Net.unintelligent user. How sweet.

🙂

Toodles, Erica.

🙂

Uni

Jesus, boy – that didn’t even make sense. From pathetic hypocrisy straight to pathetic parroting.

Why do you bother?

Pssssssssssssssssssst… Eric. Killfile. Don’t even expend any more oxygen on the middle-aged, unemployed truck-driver pedophile troll. He hates it when he’s invisible.

Yes. His value as a punching bag dropped to zero, as poor as his lame attempts at flames have become.

I forgot the <plonk> on that last message.

You also forgot you already had me "PLONKED!"

🙂

Move on, child.

Uni
EG
Eric Gill
Aug 16, 2003
"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in news:rBi%
a.2400755$:

Oh, and since you felt inclined to insult my
websearching skills,

No, you did that yourself – by failing to find the third hit on Google that gave complete lie to you stupidity.

Which is, BTW:

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

….the same as it was in the previous two messages.

Ignore the truth as hard as you can, it doesn’t go away.

I’ll turn that brainfart
around and point it back at ya, noting that
perhaps if you’d searched beforehand, you’d
find that I established several times that I use
Logitech keyboards and mice.

No, you *claimed* several times you do. Which is entirely irrelevant to the fact that the current version of Logitech Desktop Manager is infested with the BackWeb spyware.

…and thanks for playing, bitch.

Come, now, twinkletoes. You gain nothing by flirting with someone who is demolishing your stupidity.

I’d reccomenf you to grow cojones big enough to admit you were wrong, but it looks like you’d just waste more time playing with them instead of growing up.
No, you *claimed* several times you do.

Again, I’ve not need to make shit up
for newsgroup pissants.
If I say something, rest assured I’m more than
prepared to back it up.

-woof.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in news:rBi%
a.2400755$:

Oh, and since you felt inclined to insult my
websearching skills,

No, you did that yourself – by failing to find the third hit on Google
that
gave complete lie to you stupidity.

Which is, BTW:

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

…the same as it was in the previous two messages.

Ignore the truth as hard as you can, it doesn’t go away.
I’ll turn that brainfart
around and point it back at ya, noting that
perhaps if you’d searched beforehand, you’d
find that I established several times that I use
Logitech keyboards and mice.

No, you *claimed* several times you do. Which is entirely irrelevant to
the
fact that the current version of Logitech Desktop Manager is infested with the BackWeb spyware.

…and thanks for playing, bitch.

Come, now, twinkletoes. You gain nothing by flirting with someone who is demolishing your stupidity.

I’d reccomenf you to grow cojones big enough to admit you were wrong, but it looks like you’d just waste more time playing with them instead of growing up.
U
Uni
Aug 16, 2003
Eric Gill wrote:

I’d reccomenf you to grow cojones big enough to admit you were wrong,

I’d first recommend you grow old enough to spell, son.

🙂

Sheesh.

🙂

Uni
M
Mike
Aug 16, 2003
in article JPt%a.2009605$, Triumph The Insult
Comic Dog at wrote on 8/16/03 10:27 AM:

No, you *claimed* several times you do.

Again, I’ve not need to make shit up
for newsgroup pissants.

But you do have a need to be silly in newsgroups … which you are doing right now.

":^) ®


Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
JM
Joe Morgan
Aug 16, 2003
Being mad over something like this is understandable, but killing the lights in New York City was a bit much, don’t you think? Maybe next time something a little more subtle, like a collision with a near-earth object?

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:56:32 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech Desktop, the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up again and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech Desktop all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff, but this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this problem. The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to someone else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on my dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so extra windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.
J
JoAnn
Aug 16, 2003
<Joe > wrote in message
Being mad over something like this is understandable, but killing the lights in New York City was a bit much, don’t you think? Maybe next time something a little more subtle, like a collision with a near-earth object?

LOL, now we know who to blame for that blackout!!



Jo
PSP 8 Private Beta Tester
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:56:32 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the
disk
that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech
Desktop,
the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up
again
and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech
Desktop
all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but
I
didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,
but
this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this
problem.
The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to
someone
else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on
my
dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and
are
closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so
extra
windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to
me—
I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.
M
Mike
Aug 16, 2003
in article bhh6l1$o7ej$, SpaceGirl at
wrote on 8/14/03 4:38 PM:

Uni – who’s not impressed with females, other than their looks 🙂

meh…. *realises when her chain is being yanked*

Nice to see that you know you have a chain and that it can be yanked.

":^) ®

Too bad you have not taken the chain off yet.

":^) ®


Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
M
Mike
Aug 16, 2003
in article Wne%a.2391147$, Triumph The Insult
Comic Dog at wrote on 8/15/03 4:53 PM:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

-woof.

You will have to excuse the "Puppy"… he thinks his little world is the same as everyone’s … his little "Puppy Pooter" is the universal standard.

hahahaha.


Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
H
Hecate
Aug 17, 2003
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 03:44:46 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

This is why I love WIT and Usenet— I spent $20 in phone calls to Logitech and no one even came close to a cure. Between you and Spacegirl, I may actually be able to have the setup I want without the BS I don’t.

Guys will hang around and play "whose is bigger" with each other; and make disparaging comments about people they don’t know from Adam. Women just solve the blasted problem and move on.
Thank you, Hecate and everyone who had a constructive suggestion!!
<blush> Thanks. Glad to help. It’s funny you know, but that’s what I think newsgroups are for, rather than the "my dick is bigger than yours" crap that some of the "boys" around here like to play… 😉



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
SB
Sally Beacham
Aug 17, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:20:06 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

Uni wrote in
news::

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:
My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

Gill man ain’t too technically oriented, woofer.

Now there’s a pathetic piece of hypocrisy if I’ve ever heard one.
<sigh> Two Net.Liars in a love-fest. How charming.

Actually, it’s more likely that TTICD is a sockpuppet of Uni. Thus he’s not to put too fine a point on it, masturbating himself 😉

Nah he’s not. TTICD stands on his own two feet, he’s just foaming at the mouth to be proven wrong, that’s all. He’s actually quite bright, but he’s sometimes a little lacking in those all-essential social interaction skills.

But one thing you gotta say for that boy, he’s got no truck with kiddie porn… he hates the Unidiot’s guts.

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?

Sally
M
MCL
Aug 17, 2003
In news:, TB deftly
typed:
<snip
Was just about to run out and buy that thing; Thank’s for the warning. Now, who make’s a nice thumb operated trackball?

Kensington makes a good one. I haven’t had problems with mine.

Are you talking about their expertmouse? At first sight, it scared me off; I mean, how do you operate that thing: thumb, index…?


Martin.
"The known is finite, The unknown infinite"
T.H.Huxley
JK
JP Kabala
Aug 17, 2003
ahhhh, Grasshopper, follow in the path of GraceHopper!

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 03:44:46 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

This is why I love WIT and Usenet— I spent $20 in phone calls to Logitech and no one even came close to a cure. Between you and Spacegirl, I may actually be able to have the setup I want without the BS I don’t.

Guys will hang around and play "whose is bigger" with each other; and make disparaging comments about people they don’t know from Adam. Women just solve the blasted problem and move on.
Thank you, Hecate and everyone who had a constructive suggestion!!
<blush> Thanks. Glad to help. It’s funny you know, but that’s what I think newsgroups are for, rather than the "my dick is bigger than yours" crap that some of the "boys" around here like to play… 😉


Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
eash tsjit fasssssheo.le!

-wee

"mike" wrote in message
in article Wne%a.2391147$, Triumph The Insult
Comic Dog at wrote on 8/15/03 4:53 PM:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

-woof.

You will have to excuse the "Puppy"… he thinks his little world is the same as everyone’s … his little "Puppy Pooter" is the universal
standard.
hahahaha.


Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

M
Mike
Aug 17, 2003
in article b3E%a.2459795$, Triumph The Insult
Comic Dog at wrote on 8/16/03 10:06 PM:

eash tsjit fasssssheo.le!

-wee

Poor Puppy… got kicked today and is now drunk so that the pain will go away for a while.

":^) ®


Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
S
SpaceGirl
Aug 17, 2003
"mike" wrote in message
in article bhh6l1$o7ej$, SpaceGirl at
wrote on 8/14/03 4:38 PM:

Uni – who’s not impressed with females, other than their looks 🙂

meh…. *realises when her chain is being yanked*

Nice to see that you know you have a chain and that it can be yanked.
":^)
M
Mike
Aug 17, 2003
in article ilF%a.2466437$, Triumph The Insult
Comic Dog at wrote on 8/16/03 11:33 PM:

i’m a REAL dog.

If you say so…

":^) ®


Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
M
Mike
Aug 17, 2003
in article bhnb7r$15joe$, SpaceGirl at
wrote on 8/17/03 12:35 AM:

Too bad you have not taken the chain off yet.

":^) ®

It’s more of a string. Pull it and see;

Too bad that you have anything that can be taken advantage of.

":^) ®


Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
S
SpaceGirl
Aug 17, 2003
"mike" wrote in message
in article bhnb7r$15joe$, SpaceGirl at
wrote on 8/17/03 12:35 AM:

Too bad you have not taken the chain off yet.

":^)
F
Fungusamungus
Aug 17, 2003
Hey, does anybody have a used Logitech Cordless trackball they don’t want/need anymore?
SB
Sally Beacham
Aug 17, 2003
"Fungusamungus" wrote in message
Hey, does anybody have a used Logitech Cordless trackball they don’t want/need anymore?

Hahhahahahahhha… well, maybe JP will deliver hers. That will give her a good excuse to come visit me.


Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com
www.psppower.com /FilterMunky’s best friend
www.lvsonline.com/ Paint Shop Pro, Filter Frenzy, Xara X sallyATdizteq.com
H
Hecate
Aug 17, 2003
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?
Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
EG
Eric Gill
Aug 18, 2003
Hecate wrote in
news::

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?
Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID card, and your poor, abused sanity.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Now, you see? Women are *lots* more vicious than men. My solution involves two rounds of .44 magnum hot loads and the back of the skull, but, *no*, you have to drag it out…
SB
Sally Beacham
Aug 18, 2003
"Eric Gill" wrote in message
Hecate wrote in
news::

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?
Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID card, and your poor, abused sanity.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Now, you see? Women are *lots* more vicious than men. My solution involves two rounds of .44 magnum hot loads and the back of the skull, but, *no*, you have to drag it out…

No, we like your solution, we’ll just implement it AFTER we take care of that little surgery, sans anaesthetic.

Actually, we’ll implement it after the surgery, but before we put in him sayyyyyyyyy the Pen at Marion for about 7 days. If he lasts that long, THEN we’ll go for your plan.

We like a multi-faceted solution, one in which everybody gets what they want. Especially those big guys in Cell Block 9.


Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com
www.psppower.com /FilterMunky’s best friend
www.lvsonline.com/ Paint Shop Pro, Filter Frenzy, Xara X sallyATdizteq.com
JK
JP Kabala
Aug 18, 2003
actually, I like the multifaceted approach, but I think phase 1, rather than dull blade,
should be accomplished by a combination of flesh-eating virus and Black and Decker
power sander….on the steps of City Hall during the Christmas Parade… but that’s just me.

"Sally Beacham" wrote in message
"Eric Gill" wrote in message
Hecate wrote in
news::

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that
nobody
else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?
Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID
card,
and your poor, abused sanity.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Now, you see? Women are *lots* more vicious than men. My solution
involves
two rounds of .44 magnum hot loads and the back of the skull, but, *no*, you have to drag it out…

No, we like your solution, we’ll just implement it AFTER we take care of that little surgery, sans anaesthetic.

Actually, we’ll implement it after the surgery, but before we put in him sayyyyyyyyy the Pen at Marion for about 7 days. If he lasts that long,
THEN
we’ll go for your plan.

We like a multi-faceted solution, one in which everybody gets what they want. Especially those big guys in Cell Block 9.


Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com
www.psppower.com /FilterMunky’s best friend
www.lvsonline.com/ Paint Shop Pro, Filter Frenzy, Xara X sallyATdizteq.com

SB
Sally Beacham
Aug 18, 2003
"JP Kabala" wrote in message
actually, I like the multifaceted approach, but I think phase 1, rather
than
dull blade,
should be accomplished by a combination of flesh-eating virus and Black
and
Decker
power sander….on the steps of City Hall during the Christmas Parade… but that’s just me.

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh power sander…

the kind with that wire brush thingie?

Yeah, that would be good.

Sally
EG
Eric Gill
Aug 18, 2003
"Sally Beacham" wrote in
news::

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
Hecate wrote in
news::

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?
Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID card, and your poor, abused sanity.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Now, you see? Women are *lots* more vicious than men. My solution involves two rounds of .44 magnum hot loads and the back of the skull, but, *no*, you have to drag it out…

No, we like your solution, we’ll just implement it AFTER we take care of that little surgery, sans anaesthetic.

Well, all right then.

Who says men and women are always at odds? Not I. Complementary solutions, sez I.

Split the cost for the mounting pike afterwards, too.

Actually, we’ll implement it after the surgery, but before we put in him sayyyyyyyyy the Pen at Marion for about 7 days. If he lasts that long, THEN we’ll go for your plan.

We like a multi-faceted solution, one in which everybody gets what they want. Especially those big guys in Cell Block 9.
R
RTM
Aug 18, 2003
Hecate wrote in message
Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Okay, but what about the ones that aren’t male??
Just the blunt knife perhaps?


Ron.
JK
JP Kabala
Aug 18, 2003
I am, as of this date both backweb and all other spyware free, thanks to some good advice I got here. 🙂

Without starting the crap all over again, I knew it had to have originated on this side of my firewall somehow–
it just annoyed me no end that the breach in my usually stable setup came from something I bought and installed myself.

thanks again!!!
"Hecate" wrote in message

BTW, you may like to go here and download (it’s free) Spybot Search & Destroy, which actually removes BackWeb:

http://www.safer-networking.org/
SB
Sally Beacham
Aug 18, 2003
"Eric Gill" wrote in message
"Sally Beacham" wrote in
news::

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
Hecate wrote in
news::

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?
Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID card, and your poor, abused sanity.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Now, you see? Women are *lots* more vicious than men. My solution involves two rounds of .44 magnum hot loads and the back of the skull, but, *no*, you have to drag it out…

No, we like your solution, we’ll just implement it AFTER we take care of that little surgery, sans anaesthetic.

Well, all right then.

Who says men and women are always at odds? Not I. Complementary solutions, sez I.

Split the cost for the mounting pike afterwards, too.

Sure. We will, however, have to spend the weekend searching for the perfect pike. It’s got to be functional, yet stylish. Must match the window treatments (it’s so hard to find cute things that co-ordinate with rusty iron bars, don’t you think?)

I hear they are having a sale at Armaments R Us… 30% off all pikes and bayonets. (I know, it’s end-of-season stock, but a classic pike never goes out of style.) Come with?


Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com
www.psppower.com /FilterMunky’s best friend
www.lvsonline.com/ Paint Shop Pro, Filter Frenzy, Xara X sallyATdizteq.com
EG
Eric Gill
Aug 18, 2003
"Sally Beacham" wrote in
news::

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
"Sally Beacham" wrote in
news::

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
Hecate wrote in
news::

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?
Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID card, and your poor, abused sanity.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Now, you see? Women are *lots* more vicious than men. My solution involves two rounds of .44 magnum hot loads and the back of the skull, but, *no*, you have to drag it out…

No, we like your solution, we’ll just implement it AFTER we take care of that little surgery, sans anaesthetic.

Well, all right then.

Who says men and women are always at odds? Not I. Complementary solutions, sez I.

Split the cost for the mounting pike afterwards, too.

Sure. We will, however, have to spend the weekend searching for the perfect pike. It’s got to be functional, yet stylish.

Nothing pink. There are some things I won’t budge on, damnit!

Must match the
window treatments (it’s so hard to find cute things that co-ordinate with rusty iron bars, don’t you think?)

<shrug> Rusty iron pike head.

I hear they are having a sale at Armaments R Us… 30% off all pikes and bayonets. (I know, it’s end-of-season stock, but a classic pike never goes out of style.) Come with?

Of course! Nothing better than a weekend out with the ladies, shopping for deadly instruments. Had my eye on a new cavalry sabre, anyways.
JK
JP Kabala
Aug 18, 2003
See, this is where my virus and sander technique is a such a good idea… equal opportunity!

"RTM" wrote in
message
Hecate wrote in message
Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Okay, but what about the ones that aren’t male??
Just the blunt knife perhaps?


Ron.

H
Hecate
Aug 19, 2003
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:22:50 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

Of course! Nothing better than a weekend out with the ladies, shopping for deadly instruments. Had my eye on a new cavalry sabre, anyways.

Er, did I start something? 😉



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
H
Hecate
Aug 19, 2003
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:29:01 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

Hecate wrote in
news::

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?
Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID card, and your poor, abused sanity.
Yeah, it was a little while ago, and very frustrating as I had a striped and mirrored four disk set which, of course, included recent back ups….

Now, I back up to a separate firewire hard disk daily, Drive Image to a different folder on the same disk monthly, and back up to CD the really important stuff weekly. I also back up and image of my system to my partners computer, and hers to mine. I think 4 copies of things should take care of most problems.

What me, paranoid?



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
H
Hecate
Aug 19, 2003
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:45:27 GMT, "Fungusamungus" wrote:

My goodness people! It’s just a badly made Trackball!!
Wrong balls …

;-
SB
Sally Beacham
Aug 19, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:45:27 GMT, "Fungusamungus" wrote:

My goodness people! It’s just a badly made Trackball!!
Wrong balls …

;-

*snort*


Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com
www.psppower.com /FilterMunky’s best friend
www.lvsonline.com/ Paint Shop Pro, Filter Frenzy, Xara X sallyATdizteq.com
R
RTM
Aug 19, 2003
I think you just invented Dataphobia.


Ron.

Hecate wrote in message
Yeah, it was a little while ago, and very frustrating as I had a striped and mirrored four disk set which, of course, included recent back ups….

Now, I back up to a separate firewire hard disk daily, Drive Image to a different folder on the same disk monthly, and back up to CD the really important stuff weekly. I also back up and image of my system to my partners computer, and hers to mine. I think 4 copies of things should take care of most problems.

What me, paranoid?



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
M
Mike
Aug 19, 2003
in article
wrote on 8/14/03 4:31 PM:

I’m hard on pointing devices!

How much does your hand weigh? 25 lbs.? 40 lbs.?


Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
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Hecate
Aug 20, 2003
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:51:23 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:22:50 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

Of course! Nothing better than a weekend out with the ladies, shopping for deadly instruments. Had my eye on a new cavalry sabre, anyways.

Er, did I start something? 😉

Yes, we’re going shopping. We’ll need you along as style consultant.
Which do you prefer, defenestration or decapitation? Or perhaps – decapitation by defenestration? Has that been done to death yet?

How about Madame La Guillotine, only with a smaller hole for a different part of the body?



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
H
Hecate
Aug 20, 2003
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:16:14 +0100, "RTM"
wrote:

I think you just invented Dataphobia.

LOL!



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
SB
Sally Beacham
Aug 20, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:51:23 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:22:50 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

Of course! Nothing better than a weekend out with the ladies, shopping for deadly instruments. Had my eye on a new cavalry sabre, anyways.

Er, did I start something? 😉

Yes, we’re going shopping. We’ll need you along as style consultant.
Which do you prefer, defenestration or decapitation? Or perhaps – decapitation by defenestration? Has that been done to death yet?

How about Madame La Guillotine, only with a smaller hole for a different part of the body?

I’m thinking, for him… a cigar cutter ought to do it. A very SMALL cigar cutter.


Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com
www.psppower.com /FilterMunky’s best friend
www.lvsonline.com/ Paint Shop Pro, Filter Frenzy, Xara X sallyATdizteq.com
SB
Sally Beacham
Aug 20, 2003
"Eric Gill" wrote in message
"Sally Beacham" wrote in
I’m thinking, for him… a cigar cutter ought to do it. A very SMALL cigar cutter.

Damn you, woman. You beat me to it!

Hmmm…actually, I think wire strippers should do that rather nicely.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm HMMMMMMMmm……you may be on to something… with the wire strippers you get the immediate gratification of that little "snip" noise, and then that whole long drawn-out screech as the outside covering is stripped off…

Oh yeah, I believe you’ve found the tool of choice.


Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com
www.psppower.com /FilterMunky’s best friend
www.lvsonline.com/ Paint Shop Pro, Filter Frenzy, Xara X sallyATdizteq.com
F
Fungusamungus
Aug 20, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:45:27 GMT, "Fungusamungus" wrote:

My goodness people! It’s just a badly made Trackball!!
Wrong balls …

;-

Just get yourself one of those castrated mice and all will be well!
H
Hecate
Aug 20, 2003
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:53:50 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
"Sally Beacham" wrote in
I’m thinking, for him… a cigar cutter ought to do it. A very SMALL cigar cutter.

Damn you, woman. You beat me to it!

Hmmm…actually, I think wire strippers should do that rather nicely.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm HMMMMMMMmm……you may be on to something… with the wire strippers you get the immediate gratification of that little "snip" noise, and then that whole long drawn-out screech as the outside covering is stripped off…

Oh yeah, I believe you’ve found the tool of choice.

Trust Eric to come up with the right tool for the job 😉

Mind you, would this be classified as a plug in, or would that be what happens with the attached electric wires afterwards?



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
SB
Sally Beacham
Aug 21, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:53:50 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
"Sally Beacham" wrote in
I’m thinking, for him… a cigar cutter ought to do it. A very
SMALL
cigar cutter.

Damn you, woman. You beat me to it!

Hmmm…actually, I think wire strippers should do that rather nicely.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm HMMMMMMMmm……you may be on to something… with the
wire
strippers you get the immediate gratification of that little "snip"
noise,
and then that whole long drawn-out screech as the outside covering is stripped off…

Oh yeah, I believe you’ve found the tool of choice.

Trust Eric to come up with the right tool for the job 😉
Mind you, would this be classified as a plug in, or would that be what happens with the attached electric wires afterwards?

My God, yes. This is one job that fairly DEMANDS a plugin. Certainly, it could be accomplished without one, but I don’t believe we’d be doing it justice.


Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com
www.psppower.com /FilterMunky’s best friend
www.lvsonline.com/ Paint Shop Pro, Filter Frenzy, Xara X sallyATdizteq.com
F
Fungusamungus
Aug 21, 2003
There’s always a dremel tool with sander attachement…

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:53:50 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
"Sally Beacham" wrote in
I’m thinking, for him… a cigar cutter ought to do it. A very
SMALL
cigar cutter.

Damn you, woman. You beat me to it!

Hmmm…actually, I think wire strippers should do that rather nicely.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm HMMMMMMMmm……you may be on to something… with the
wire
strippers you get the immediate gratification of that little "snip"
noise,
and then that whole long drawn-out screech as the outside covering is stripped off…

Oh yeah, I believe you’ve found the tool of choice.

Trust Eric to come up with the right tool for the job 😉
Mind you, would this be classified as a plug in, or would that be what happens with the attached electric wires afterwards?



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
H
Hecate
Aug 21, 2003
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:13:07 GMT, "Fungusamungus" wrote:

There’s always a dremel tool with sander attachement…
Uni would be really UNIque then 😉



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
D
dave
Sep 20, 2003
"SpaceGirl" wrote in message
Why on earth BUY a popup killer? Just use a browser that blocks popups
like
Avant (IE) or Mozilla.

Or, if not on mac, install the google toolbar [v2]

🙂

Just my 2KB.

Until next time…

dave.jeavons
www.houseoffu.com
making.everyday.interesting.
D
Dick
Sep 22, 2003
you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and the next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick
LT
Let the big fish rule
Sep 23, 2003
My EarthLink Pop-Up blocker works great.

"Dick" wrote in message
you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and
the
next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick

K
Kiri
Sep 24, 2003
http://www.panicware.com/

Kiri

"Dick" schreef in bericht
you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and
the
next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick

K
Kiri
Sep 24, 2003
http://www.panicware.com/popupstoppercompare.html for the free version.

Kiri

"Kiri" schreef in bericht
http://www.panicware.com/

Kiri

"Dick" schreef in bericht
you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and
the
next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a
good
feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick

F
Faolan
Sep 24, 2003
In article <kwLbb.6791$>,
says…
you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and the next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick
http://www.proxomitron.info/

Most customisable program yet, however you could use Opera with it’s pop-up stopper built in, and now up to version 7.2.
BY
Boke Yuzgen
Sep 25, 2003
In article <kwLbb.6791$>,
says…
you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and the next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick

http://opera.com/


Boke Yuzgen
mailto:
IRA Reklam Ajansi A.S.
http://ira.com.tr/ – NEW DESIGN!!!
RL
Ron Lacey
Sep 25, 2003
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:10:27 GMT, "Kiri"
wrote:

http://www.panicware.com/

The Google Tool bar has an effective popup blocker, it’s free, and it’s very handy indeed.

Ron

Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario

http://ronsfotos.com
http://ronstoons.com
http://ronanddave.com
CO
Carol Ott
Sep 25, 2003
I’ve been using the Google popup blocker — love it, and I didn’t have to install a bunch of junk to get it.

Carol

"Ron Lacey" wrote in message
The Google Tool bar has an effective popup blocker, it’s free, and it’s very handy indeed.

Ron

Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario

http://ronsfotos.com
http://ronstoons.com
http://ronanddave.com
K
Kiri
Sep 25, 2003
The Popupstopper is also free, Ron (at least, it can be). The thing I like about it, it stops everything! Except if you push Ctrl. You always have a choice. No adware, no cookies, just a tiny app in the background. (checked with Pest Patrol, also a great app, but not free) Haven’t had a single popup for ages.

Kiri

"Ron Lacey" schreef in bericht
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:10:27 GMT, "Kiri"
wrote:

http://www.panicware.com/

The Google Tool bar has an effective popup blocker, it’s free, and it’s very handy indeed.

Ron

Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario

http://ronsfotos.com
http://ronstoons.com
http://ronanddave.com
RL
Ron Lacey
Sep 25, 2003
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:39:07 GMT, "Kiri"
wrote:

No adware, no cookies, just a tiny app in the background.

Same with Google plus you have a search engine handy on your browser toolbar anytime you need it.

Ron

Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario

http://ronsfotos.com
http://ronstoons.com
http://ronanddave.com
K
Kiri
Sep 25, 2003
I have Google on my linkbar, saves space. I like to have an overview on webpages and together with monitors, they’re getting bigger all the time. I often use F11 with Internet Explorer, amazing what that does to a design.

Kiri

"Ron Lacey" schreef in bericht
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:39:07 GMT, "Kiri"
wrote:

No adware, no cookies, just a tiny app in the background.

Same with Google plus you have a search engine handy on your browser toolbar anytime you need it.

Ron

Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario

http://ronsfotos.com
http://ronstoons.com
http://ronanddave.com
G
gordonlr
Sep 25, 2003
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:24:05 -0700, "Dick"
wrote:

you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and the next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick
And some people buy Viagra because it won’t pop up! Go figure.
TH
Tomas Holm
Sep 26, 2003
Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with Google?

/Tomas

I have Google on my linkbar, saves space. I like to have an overview on webpages and together with monitors, they’re getting bigger all the time. I often use F11 with Internet Explorer, amazing what that does to a design.
Kiri

"Ron Lacey" schreef in bericht
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:39:07 GMT, "Kiri"
wrote:

No adware, no cookies, just a tiny app in the background.

Same with Google plus you have a search engine handy on your browser toolbar anytime you need it.

Ron

Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario

http://ronsfotos.com
http://ronstoons.com
http://ronanddave.com

–To contact me please mail to tomas dot holm at rodem dot se.–
GC
Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio
Sep 26, 2003
Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with Google?

Isn’t it disturbing that everybody has to PEE???????

Conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!

🙂


Pepe
Milano, Italy
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larrybud2002
Sep 26, 2003
"Dick" …
you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and the next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Terrible "solution". Who wants to be bothered every time there’s a valid script on the page?

Download Google’s free toolbar, which comes with a popup blocker. It’s site specific, and defaults to stopping popups. But it’s also smart enough to know an unsolicited popup (when the window automatically opens by itself), or a window that is supposed to open when you click on a link.
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larrybud2002
Sep 26, 2003
Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with Google?

Not really. Why eat a burger when you can have steak?
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Phillip Coker
Sep 27, 2003
The Google pop up blocker is very good and I will keep it running but it is not perfect. Yesterday, while I was searching for auto parts a pop-up porn screen got through. Worse yet, when I tried to close the porn pop-up by clicking on the X in the upper right corner, I got another one. Then another one. It took three closing clicks to get rid of them.

Phillip
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Carol Ott
Sep 27, 2003
Jeez, buddy. What kinda auto parts are *you* looking for? 🙂

Carol

"Phillip Coker" <phcokerATcharterDOTnet> wrote in message
The Google pop up blocker is very good and I will keep it running but it
is
not perfect. Yesterday, while I was searching for auto parts a pop-up porn screen got through. Worse yet, when I tried to close the porn pop-up by clicking on the X in the upper right corner, I got another one. Then
another
one. It took three closing clicks to get rid of them.

Phillip

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Steve Moody
Sep 28, 2003
In article <bl1140$6vnn5$>, Giuseppe
Carmine De Blasio wrote:

Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with Google?

Isn’t it disturbing that everybody has to PEE?

I’d put more thought into this reply, but I’m rushing through it so that I can get to the bathroom.
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Mike
Sep 28, 2003
in article 280920031938596089%, Steve Moody at
wrote on 9/28/03 4:38 PM:

In article <bl1140$6vnn5$>, Giuseppe
Carmine De Blasio wrote:

Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with Google?

Isn’t it disturbing that everybody has to PEE?

I’d put more thought into this reply, but I’m rushing through it so that I can get to the bathroom.

Me too.

":^) ®


Mike

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Generic Eric
Sep 28, 2003
My nomination for Newsgroup Reply of the Day:

"Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio" wrote in message
Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with Google?

Isn’t it disturbing that everybody has to PEE???????

Conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!

🙂


Pepe
Milano, Italy

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Generic Eric
Sep 28, 2003
You’re right. I’m throwing away this PC and buying a Mac right now. I only hope it’ll run on Linux.

"Larry Bud" wrote in message
Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with
Google?
Not really. Why eat a burger when you can have steak?
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unavailable
Sep 29, 2003
"Generic Eric" wrote in message
You’re right. I’m throwing away this PC and buying a Mac right now. I
only
hope it’ll run on Linux.

macos x already does…
let me give you my addy so you can send your pc my way.

-a|ex
CA
cmr_abcol
Oct 3, 2003
"Phillip Coker" <phcokerATcharterDOTnet> wrote in message news:…
The Google pop up blocker is very good and I will keep it running but it is not perfect. Yesterday, while I was searching for auto parts a pop-up porn screen got through. Worse yet, when I tried to close the porn pop-up by clicking on the X in the upper right corner, I got another one. Then another one. It took three closing clicks to get rid of them.

Phillip

I prefer Pop-Up Stopper it stops 99% of pop ups and a sound occurs when you block a page. Simple and easy to use, highly reccomended.
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Hecate
Oct 4, 2003
On 3 Oct 2003 02:06:48 -0700, (Craig) wrote:

I prefer Pop-Up Stopper it stops 99% of pop ups and a sound occurs when you block a page. Simple and easy to use, highly reccomended.

FreeSurfer works well and is, well, free. 😉



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
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unavailable
Oct 4, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
On 3 Oct 2003 02:06:48 -0700, (Craig) wrote:

I prefer Pop-Up Stopper it stops 99% of pop ups and a sound occurs when you block a page. Simple and easy to use, highly reccomended.

FreeSurfer works well and is, well, free. 😉



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)

I’ve been using the host file method for some years now. http://www.phoenix-inter.net/hostfile.htm

a host file is created that redirects all the ad.urls with your local computer (127.0.0.1) so it loads as a blank.
the popup boxes still open up but loads up instantly with a blank box. it reduces dns queries associated with the ads.

some people like, other don’t. I don’t mind seeing all the blank ad box’s. it just makes the site load up faster for my crappy satellite connection.

-a|ex
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Victor
Oct 5, 2003
To stop popups, the very best is Ad Arrest IE Popup Killer 2.1 however if you want to allow one popup, you need to hit Ctrl + Click. Otherwise no new window will open.

Very good as well is AdsGone v.4.2.6, no need to hit Ctrl, quite efficient as well, but authorized popups will open.
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Bob Davis
Oct 6, 2003
I’ve found the popup blocker in the Google toolbar works very well.

"Victor" wrote in message
To stop popups, the very best is Ad Arrest IE Popup Killer 2.1 however if you want to allow one popup, you need to hit Ctrl + Click. Otherwise no
new
window will open.

Very good as well is AdsGone v.4.2.6, no need to hit Ctrl, quite efficient as well, but authorized popups will open.

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RTM
Oct 6, 2003
Shooting the people that put the pop-ups there in the first place would work better!



Ron.

Bob Davis <iclick@?ox.net> wrote in message
I’ve found the popup blocker in the Google toolbar works very well.

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