NotReally OT Rant: Logitech Cordless Trackball Nightmare

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. <snip>

In news:AXQ_a.919$, JP
Kabala deftly typed:

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. <snip>

Was just about to run out and buy that thing; Thank’s for the warning. Now, who make’s a nice thumb operated trackball?

Thank you so much for posting this — I was actually thinking about buying a new mouse….and I certainly will NOT buy the one you did….poor thing!!
Carol

Was just about to run out and buy that thing; Thank’s for the warning. Now, who make’s a nice thumb operated trackball?

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:19:34 GMT, "Carol Ott"

Thank you so much for posting this — I was actually thinking about

new mouse….and I certainly will NOT buy the one you did….poor thing!!
Carol

I’ve got a Logitech Optical Mouse, barely a year old and it ‘slips’. When

something – say a rectangle tool – and go to draw the rectangle, the mouse

and doesnt’ complete the action. It takes several tries. No more Logitech

________________________________

Eliska

http://www.ArtChiK.com
Caricature Entertainment
Portraits of Pets and People

Why on earth BUY a popup killer? Just use a browser that blocks popups

Avant (IE) or Mozilla.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the

that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted

install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but

didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and

closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to

I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60

I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I

have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

Or Opera.

Carol

Avant is IE… just has a different shell. Download it from www.avantbrowser.com… you wont regret it

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

😮 how about u just fuck off?

"Uni" wrote in message

Alan D-W wrote:

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

Or keep longwinded, cross-posting females with no technical knowledge out of usenet.

🙂

Uni

😮 how about u just fuck off?

Sounds good to me, Miranda. The whole lot of them can fuck off.

Carol

"SpaceGirl" wrote in message

😮 how about u just fuck off?

"Uni" wrote in message

SpaceGirl wrote:

"Uni" wrote in message

Alan D-W wrote:

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

Or keep longwinded, cross-posting females with no technical knowledge out of usenet.

🙂

Uni

😮 how about u just fuck off?

You were INCORRECT with USB voltage, stating it was 2.2v when it’s actually 5.0v

🙂

Oh I see… make a mistake and it justifies this sexist crap?

Or learn politeness?

Sounds good to me, Miranda. The whole lot of them can fuck off.
Carol

Carol

"Alan D-W" wrote in message

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

"Uni" wrote in message

Alan D-W wrote:

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

Or keep longwinded, cross-posting females with no technical knowledge out of usenet.

🙂

Uni

😮 how about u just fuck off?

SpaceGirl wrote:

"Uni" wrote in message

SpaceGirl wrote:

"Uni" wrote in message

Alan D-W wrote:

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

Or keep longwinded, cross-posting females with no technical knowledge out of usenet.

🙂

Uni

😮 how about u just fuck off?

You were INCORRECT with USB voltage, stating it was 2.2v when it’s actually 5.0v

🙂

Oh I see… make a mistake and it justifies this sexist crap?

I you really knew your stuff, you wouldn’t have made that error. Now, get back behind your stove and cook me some dinner. I’m sure you can handle that 🙂

Uni – who’s not impressed with females, other than their looks 🙂

"Uni" wrote in message

SpaceGirl wrote:

"Uni" wrote in message

SpaceGirl wrote:

"Uni" wrote in message

Alan D-W wrote:

"Carol Ott" wrote in message

Or Opera.

Carol

Or learn to snip?

Or keep longwinded, cross-posting females with no technical knowledge out of usenet.

🙂

Uni

😮 how about u just fuck off?

You were INCORRECT with USB voltage, stating it was 2.2v when it’s actually 5.0v

🙂

Oh I see… make a mistake and it justifies this sexist crap?

I you really knew your stuff, you wouldn’t have made that error. Now, get back behind your stove and cook me some dinner. I’m sure you can handle that 🙂

Uni – who’s not impressed with females, other than their looks 🙂

meh…. *realises when her chain is being yanked*

I’m going to bed!!! :p

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

I you really knew your stuff, you wouldn’t have made that error. Now, get back behind your stove and cook me some dinner. I’m sure you can handle that 🙂

Uni – who’s not impressed with females, other than their looks 🙂

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:56:32 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

That’s really weird. Had mine for about a year now, and it’s the second one I’ve had (still got the old one – it didn’t die, it just didn’t have a scroll button) and I’ve always loved the Logitech products. I shall be very careful about using them from now on and I shall mail them and tell them so. Furthermore, I shall make sure the people on another ng I use (and there’s a lot of ’em) see this, and I shall post a message on a Yahoo group I own. Of course, i shall point all this out to Logitech in the mail I send them.

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the

that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted

install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but

didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and

closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to

I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60

I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I

have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

Nice try…but it doesn’t fly. Do a Google search.
I’m not the only person screaming about Spyware
in Logitech software. Even their tech support guy
admitted it was there. Now that I’m
calmer I will say that I don’t really believe that
Logitech planned it that way– apparently, the
system they put in place to allow automatic
driver updates poses a security problem and
some moron has figured out how to capitalize
on it. If I take a deep breath and think about it,
it might be like blaming my ISP for the SPAM
I get every blasted day. Shooting the Messenger.

But that still doesn’t excuse their dumb automated
customer service system, which was responsible
for far more than 50% of my anger.

My biggest bitch with Logitech is that they
evidently cannot provide an XP driver that both allows
me to remap the buttons and does not require
the Logitech Desktop piece……thereby exposing
folks to the hijack.

The specific problem is Polite BackWeb, which is supposed to link to Logitech at logon and check for updates. It
also drives ads from their partners- e-bay and Music Match. ans somehow got hooked into an adware service which drives lots of other ads– mostly software, magazines, pharmaceuticals, music, mortgage lenders, dating services and casinos
and e-bay but, yes, every so often, some soft-core porn.
And I don’t need 25 even totally innocuous e-bay,
e-mode, mortgage, and car finder windows
clogging up my system popping up while
I’m trying to teach or talk to a client.

I’m a grownup. I don’t need to apologize
to anyone for my actions. Frankly, I’d imagine that
my SO, presented with something like your
fictitious scenario, would laugh, and say
"What a bummer. Was it at least GOOD porn?"

I returned the mouse, did an XP restore (which I
really didn’t want to do) and will buy myself
another trackball when I find one I like. Rats.
The thing is I LIKE **that** trackball.
It fits my hand better than any other one I’ve
ever had.

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in message

In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the

disk

that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted

to

install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but

I

didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes

on

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and

are

closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to

me—

I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60

mouse.

I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I

didn’t

have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

Seems like I head Porter bragging about her mouse a few times, it may be the same one, can’t be sure. I’m in mouse limbo, myself. My Wacom bit it, and I’m using the corded one that came with the puter, hate
the wire, as I can feel it.

JP Kabala wrote:

Nice try…but it doesn’t fly. Do a Google search.
I’m not the only person screaming about Spyware
in Logitech software. Even their tech support guy
admitted it was there. Now that I’m
calmer I will say that I don’t really believe that
Logitech planned it that way– apparently, the
system they put in place to allow automatic
driver updates poses a security problem and
some moron has figured out how to capitalize
on it. If I take a deep breath and think about it,
it might be like blaming my ISP for the SPAM
I get every blasted day. Shooting the Messenger.

But that still doesn’t excuse their dumb automated
customer service system, which was responsible
for far more than 50% of my anger.

My biggest bitch with Logitech is that they
evidently cannot provide an XP driver that both allows
me to remap the buttons and does not require
the Logitech Desktop piece……thereby exposing
folks to the hijack.

The specific problem is Polite BackWeb, which is supposed to link to Logitech at logon and check for updates. It
also drives ads from their partners- e-bay and Music Match. ans somehow got hooked into an adware service which drives lots of other ads– mostly software, magazines, pharmaceuticals, music, mortgage lenders, dating services and casinos
and e-bay but, yes, every so often, some soft-core porn.
And I don’t need 25 even totally innocuous e-bay,
e-mode, mortgage, and car finder windows
clogging up my system popping up while
I’m trying to teach or talk to a client.

I’m a grownup. I don’t need to apologize
to anyone for my actions. Frankly, I’d imagine that
my SO, presented with something like your
fictitious scenario, would laugh, and say
"What a bummer. Was it at least GOOD porn?"

I returned the mouse, did an XP restore (which I
really didn’t want to do) and will buy myself
another trackball when I find one I like. Rats.
The thing is I LIKE **that** trackball.
It fits my hand better than any other one I’ve
ever had.

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in message

In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the

disk

that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted

to

install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but

I

didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes

on

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and

are

closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to

me—

I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60

mouse.

I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I

didn’t

have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

Nice try…but it doesn’t fly. Do a Google search.
I’m not the only person screaming about Spyware
in Logitech software. Even their tech support guy
admitted it was there. Now that I’m
calmer I will say that I don’t really believe that
Logitech planned it that way– apparently, the
system they put in place to allow automatic
driver updates poses a security problem and
some moron has figured out how to capitalize
on it. If I take a deep breath and think about it,
it might be like blaming my ISP for the SPAM
I get every blasted day. Shooting the Messenger.

But that still doesn’t excuse their dumb automated
customer service system, which was responsible
for far more than 50% of my anger.

My biggest bitch with Logitech is that they
evidently cannot provide an XP driver that both allows
me to remap the buttons and does not require
the Logitech Desktop piece……thereby exposing
folks to the hijack.

The specific problem is Polite BackWeb, which is supposed to link to Logitech at logon and check for updates. It
also drives ads from their partners- e-bay and Music Match. ans somehow got hooked into an adware service which drives lots of other ads– mostly software, magazines, pharmaceuticals, music, mortgage lenders, dating services and casinos
and e-bay but, yes, every so often, some soft-core porn.
And I don’t need 25 even totally innocuous e-bay,
e-mode, mortgage, and car finder windows
clogging up my system popping up while
I’m trying to teach or talk to a client.

I’m a grownup. I don’t need to apologize
to anyone for my actions. Frankly, I’d imagine that
my SO, presented with something like your
fictitious scenario, would laugh, and say
"What a bummer. Was it at least GOOD porn?"

I returned the mouse, did an XP restore (which I
really didn’t want to do) and will buy myself
another trackball when I find one I like. Rats.
The thing is I LIKE **that** trackball.
It fits my hand better than any other one I’ve
ever had.

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in message

In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the

disk

that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted

to

install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but

I

didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes

on

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and

are

closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to

me—

I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60

mouse.

I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I

didn’t

have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

Aren’t you the one who just turned thirty? Why not act like it, instead of
a 19 yr old?

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:

In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the

that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted

install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is

The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration

25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of

I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons,

didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates

somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and

closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to

I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60

I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the

again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I

have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns

computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:56:32 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

<snip>

That’s really weird. Had mine for about a year now, and it’s the second one I’ve had (still got the old one – it didn’t die, it just didn’t have a scroll button) and I’ve always loved the Logitech products. I shall be very careful about using them from now on and I shall mail them and tell them so. Furthermore, I shall make sure the people on another ng I use (and there’s a lot of ’em) see this, and I shall post a message on a Yahoo group I own. Of course, i shall point all this out to Logitech in the mail I send them.

As for your pop ups there really isn’t any need to spend money *AND* you can still use IE. Just go to:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/eero.muhonen/FS/fs.htm

and download FreeSurfer Mk II.

It’s freeware and even has a panic button which automatically shuts down *all* popups in one mouse click. it works very well and I’ve never found anything that gets through. it integrates with IE as well 🙂

—

Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)

Or learn politeness?

Or learn politeness?

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

I may be thirty, I may act 19, but I can spot
bullshit a mile away.

-woof.

"fugitive" <"gregfarr,kill_trolls"@earthlink.net> wrote in message

Aren’t you the one who just turned thirty? Why not act like it, instead of
a 19 yr old?

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:

In other words….
you visited some porn sites,
clicked some stuff you shouldn’t have, and rather then
face the wrath of a spouse or lover after finding porn
pop-ups all over your PC, you bought the new mouse for the specific purpose of making Logitech the fall-guy for your perverseness.

Not bad, total bullshit, but not bad anyway.

-woof.

"JP Kabala" wrote in message

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the

disk

that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted

to

install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

Desktop,

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is

new.

The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration

mode

25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of

crap.

I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

again

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

Desktop

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons,

but I

didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the

stuff,

but

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates

from

somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

problem.

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

someone

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes

on

my

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and

are

closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

extra

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to

me—

I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60

mouse.

I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the

computer

again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I

didn’t

have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns

a

computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

Carol Ott wrote:

Or learn politeness?

Or learn to STOP CROSSPOSTING!!!

Hecate
I am afraid to install FreeSurfer after reading the forum at their web site http://www.emsproject.dns2go.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=208& whichpage=1 Jim

The specific problem is Polite BackWeb, which is supposed to link to Logitech at logon and check for updates. It
also drives ads from their partners- e-bay and Music Match. ans somehow got hooked into an adware service which drives lots of other ads– mostly software, magazines, pharmaceuticals, music, mortgage lenders, dating services and casinos
and e-bay but, yes, every so often, some soft-core porn.

I may be thirty, I may act 19, but I can spot
bullshit a mile away.

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in
news:aR3%a.2365726$:

I may be thirty, I may act 19, but I can spot
bullshit a mile away.

As can we all, especially since we’re able to the websearch you haven’t managed yet.

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

Backweb is spyware. Logitech is one of their clients. You were dead wrong, didn’t bother to see if you were, and were a prick about it.

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

-woof.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in
news:aR3%a.2365726$:

I may be thirty, I may act 19, but I can spot
bullshit a mile away.

As can we all, especially since we’re able to the websearch you haven’t managed yet.

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

Backweb is spyware. Logitech is one of their clients. You were dead wrong, didn’t bother to see if you were, and were a prick about it.

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

Gill man ain’t too technically oriented, woofer.

Uni wrote in news:3F3D8CA3.402

<sigh> One Net.unintelligent user. How sweet.

🙂

Toodles, Erica.

🙂

Uni

Jesus, boy – that didn’t even make sense. From pathetic hypocrisy straight to pathetic parroting.

Why do you bother?

Uni wrote in news:3F3D8CA3.402
@no.email.invalid:

Eric Gill wrote:

Uni wrote in
news::

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

Gill man ain’t too technically oriented, woofer.

Now there’s a pathetic piece of hypocrisy if I’ve ever heard one.
<sigh> Two Net.Liars in a love-fest. How charming.

<sigh> One Net.unintelligent user. How sweet.

🙂

Toodles, Erica.

🙂

Uni

Jesus, boy – that didn’t even make sense. From pathetic hypocrisy straight to pathetic parroting.

Why do you bother?

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in
news:Wne%a.2391147$:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

It’s all there on the company’s web page:

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

Lying about it now simply makes you look like an idiot.

<snip>

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in
news:Wne%a.2391147$:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

It’s all there on the company’s web page:

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

Lying about it now simply makes you look like an idiot.

<snip>

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

Uni wrote in news:3F3D8CA3.402

<sigh> One Net.unintelligent user. How sweet.

🙂

Toodles, Erica.

🙂

Uni

Jesus, boy – that didn’t even make sense. From pathetic hypocrisy straight to pathetic parroting.

Why do you bother?

Pssssssssssssssssssst… Eric. Killfile. Don’t even expend any more oxygen on the middle-aged, unemployed truck-driver pedophile troll. He hates it when he’s invisible.

"Sally Beacham" wrote in
news::

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

Uni wrote in news:3F3D8CA3.402

<sigh> One Net.unintelligent user. How sweet.

🙂

Toodles, Erica.

🙂

Uni

Jesus, boy – that didn’t even make sense. From pathetic hypocrisy straight to pathetic parroting.

Why do you bother?

Pssssssssssssssssssst… Eric. Killfile. Don’t even expend any more oxygen on the middle-aged, unemployed truck-driver pedophile troll. He hates it when he’s invisible.

Yes. His value as a punching bag dropped to zero, as poor as his lame attempts at flames have become.

I forgot the <plonk> on that last message.

Oh, and since you felt inclined to insult my
websearching skills,

I’ll turn that brainfart
around and point it back at ya, noting that
perhaps if you’d searched beforehand, you’d
find that I established several times that I use
Logitech keyboards and mice.

…and thanks for playing, bitch.

No, you *claimed* several times you do.

"Triumph The Insult Comic Dog" wrote in news:rBi%
a.2400755$:

Oh, and since you felt inclined to insult my
websearching skills,

No, you did that yourself – by failing to find the third hit on Google

gave complete lie to you stupidity.

Which is, BTW:

http://www.backweb.com/services/html/spyware.html

…the same as it was in the previous two messages.

Ignore the truth as hard as you can, it doesn’t go away.

I’ll turn that brainfart
around and point it back at ya, noting that
perhaps if you’d searched beforehand, you’d
find that I established several times that I use
Logitech keyboards and mice.

No, you *claimed* several times you do. Which is entirely irrelevant to

fact that the current version of Logitech Desktop Manager is infested with the BackWeb spyware.

…and thanks for playing, bitch.

Come, now, twinkletoes. You gain nothing by flirting with someone who is demolishing your stupidity.

I’d reccomenf you to grow cojones big enough to admit you were wrong, but it looks like you’d just waste more time playing with them instead of growing up.

I’d reccomenf you to grow cojones big enough to admit you were wrong,

No, you *claimed* several times you do.

Again, I’ve not need to make shit up
for newsgroup pissants.

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the disk that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech Desktop, the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up again and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech Desktop all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but I didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff, but this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this problem. The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to someone else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on my dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and are closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so extra windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to me— I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

Being mad over something like this is understandable, but killing the lights in New York City was a bit much, don’t you think? Maybe next time something a little more subtle, like a collision with a near-earth object?

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:56:32 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

OK, here’s the thing. I like the design of the Logitech
Cordless Trackball. Ever since I had my elbow rebuilt a
couple of years ago, I find using a thumb-
driven trackball much more comfortable and controllable than a standard mouse. Between that and my Wacom stylus, I’m a pretty happy camper……or I was.

Last week, my Trackball died. Admittedly, between work and play, I spend a lot of time on the computer, so I probably just wore the poor thing out. Wouldn’t be the first time. So I went to Office Depot and bought a new one, exactly like the old one (I thought.)
After screwing around trying to get the new one to work with the old software, I uninstalled the old software and started fresh, using the

that ships with the device. "Whoa! they REALLY changed the software," I thought as I went through the install. I wasn’t happy that it wanted to install a bunch of junk– Music Match, an e-bay companion, etc. and I promptly unchecked those options in the custom install. That left 2 options checked. Mouseware (the drivers, I assumed) and Logitech

the absolute minimum the user guide says I need to get the thing to run and to be able to configure the way I use the buttons and wheel.

So I install. Long boring story omitted here, but getting the thing configured
so it doesn’t interfere with my other stuff takes a while. This is new. The old one was a painless plug and play USB install. I go to register my new hardware with Logitech and while I am still in registration mode 25 popup windows open. Damn. Porn. Casinos, Pharmaceuticals. Dating Services, and a really persistent one for a popup stopper.
I run Ad-Aware. Mouseware and Desktop have dumped a
CARLOAD of spyware and adware on my system. I quarantine and delete it, hand edit the registry, empty my recycle bin, run Norton Cleanup, and check the file system. All the nasties are gone.
Well, no, they’re not. The next time I open my browser, I’m again inundated with popups and popunders and things that want to install heinous things like Xupiter and "helper" toolbars and all sorts of crap.
I run Ad-Aware again. WTH! All the stuff I deleted is back. I clean up

and
call Logitech customer service. They tell me that, yeah, they did slip something
called Polite BackWeb on to my computer but if I uninstall Logitech

all will be well. I won’t be able to reconfigure some of my buttons, but

didn’t really want to do that anyway, did I?

So I do. But it doesn’t really fix the problem. I can delete the stuff,

this
adware is immortal. Every time I restart the browser it regenerates from somewhere. I do a Google search to see if anyone else has had this

The answer is yes, but no one has a solution I haven’t already tried.
So I email tech support. I get a robotic response with the answer to

else’s problem. I escalate the request. I get another useless robotic response.
I call. A very nice but clueless person puts me on hold for 10 minutes on

dime
then tells me he doesn’t know how to fix it, and gives me another long-distance
number to call. Tomorrow, because they’re in a different time zone and

closed
now.

I go out and buy a third party popup killer– now I only get 10 or so

windows on startup, and at least one of those will hang and need to be closed
via the Task Manager about a third of the time. This feels stupid to

I’ve
just bought a $30 program to half fix the problems caused by a $60 mouse. I contact Logitech again, and I prepare to box up my trackball to return it to Office Depot.

I completely uninstall all Logitech software and deep clean the computer again.
I restart the browser. The vampiric adware rises from the dead.
So I e-mail Logitech to ask for assistance, telling them that if I didn’t have a
solution from them in 24 hours, I would tell everyone I knew who owns a computer about this customer service nightmare.

That was 36 hours ago.
Just an FYI
Feel free to tell your friends.

"Hell hath no fury….." like an annoyed customer with broadband.

Uni – who’s not impressed with females, other than their looks 🙂

meh…. *realises when her chain is being yanked*

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

-woof.

This is why I love WIT and Usenet— I spent $20 in phone calls to Logitech and no one even came close to a cure. Between you and Spacegirl, I may actually be able to have the setup I want without the BS I don’t.

Guys will hang around and play "whose is bigger" with each other; and make disparaging comments about people they don’t know from Adam. Women just solve the blasted problem and move on.
Thank you, Hecate and everyone who had a constructive suggestion!!

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:20:06 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

Uni wrote in
news::

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog wrote:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

Gill man ain’t too technically oriented, woofer.

Now there’s a pathetic piece of hypocrisy if I’ve ever heard one.
<sigh> Two Net.Liars in a love-fest. How charming.

Actually, it’s more likely that TTICD is a sockpuppet of Uni. Thus he’s not to put too fine a point on it, masturbating himself 😉

<snip

Was just about to run out and buy that thing; Thank’s for the warning. Now, who make’s a nice thumb operated trackball?

Kensington makes a good one. I haven’t had problems with mine.

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 03:44:46 GMT, "JP Kabala" wrote:

This is why I love WIT and Usenet— I spent $20 in phone calls to Logitech and no one even came close to a cure. Between you and Spacegirl, I may actually be able to have the setup I want without the BS I don’t.

Guys will hang around and play "whose is bigger" with each other; and make disparaging comments about people they don’t know from Adam. Women just solve the blasted problem and move on.
Thank you, Hecate and everyone who had a constructive suggestion!!

<blush> Thanks. Glad to help. It’s funny you know, but that’s what I think newsgroups are for, rather than the "my dick is bigger than yours" crap that some of the "boys" around here like to play… 😉
—

Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)

in article Wne%a.2391147$, Triumph The Insult
Comic Dog at wrote on 8/15/03 4:53 PM:

My Logitech mouse, keyboard, and all the software
they give you, made it so I didn’t need to look it up.

I’ve installed it over and over from mouse to mouse,
and keyboard to keyboard.

No spyware before, none after.

-woof.

You will have to excuse the "Puppy"… he thinks his little world is the same as everyone’s … his little "Puppy Pooter" is the universal

hahahaha.

—
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

eash tsjit fasssssheo.le!

-wee

in article bhh6l1$o7ej$, SpaceGirl at
wrote on 8/14/03 4:38 PM:

Uni – who’s not impressed with females, other than their looks 🙂

meh…. *realises when her chain is being yanked*

Nice to see that you know you have a chain and that it can be yanked.
":^)

i’m a REAL dog.

Too bad you have not taken the chain off yet.

":^) ®

It’s more of a string. Pull it and see;

in article bhnb7r$15joe$, SpaceGirl at
wrote on 8/17/03 12:35 AM:

Too bad you have not taken the chain off yet.

":^)

Hey, does anybody have a used Logitech Cordless trackball they don’t want/need anymore?

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?

Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Hecate wrote in
news::

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?

Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID card, and your poor, abused sanity.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Now, you see? Women are *lots* more vicious than men. My solution involves two rounds of .44 magnum hot loads and the back of the skull, but, *no*, you have to drag it out…

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

Hecate wrote in
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that

else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?

Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID

and your poor, abused sanity.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Now, you see? Women are *lots* more vicious than men. My solution

two rounds of .44 magnum hot loads and the back of the skull, but, *no*, you have to drag it out…

No, we like your solution, we’ll just implement it AFTER we take care of that little surgery, sans anaesthetic.

Actually, we’ll implement it after the surgery, but before we put in him sayyyyyyyyy the Pen at Marion for about 7 days. If he lasts that long,

we’ll go for your plan.

We like a multi-faceted solution, one in which everybody gets what they want. Especially those big guys in Cell Block 9.

—
Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com
www.psppower.com /FilterMunky’s best friend
www.lvsonline.com/ Paint Shop Pro, Filter Frenzy, Xara X sallyATdizteq.com

actually, I like the multifaceted approach, but I think phase 1, rather

dull blade,
should be accomplished by a combination of flesh-eating virus and Black

Decker
power sander….on the steps of City Hall during the Christmas Parade… but that’s just me.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

Hecate wrote in
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?

Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID card, and your poor, abused sanity.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Now, you see? Women are *lots* more vicious than men. My solution involves two rounds of .44 magnum hot loads and the back of the skull, but, *no*, you have to drag it out…

No, we like your solution, we’ll just implement it AFTER we take care of that little surgery, sans anaesthetic.

Actually, we’ll implement it after the surgery, but before we put in him sayyyyyyyyy the Pen at Marion for about 7 days. If he lasts that long, THEN we’ll go for your plan.

We like a multi-faceted solution, one in which everybody gets what they want. Especially those big guys in Cell Block 9.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

BTW, you may like to go here and download (it’s free) Spybot Search & Destroy, which actually removes BackWeb:

http://www.safer-networking.org/

"Sally Beacham" wrote in
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"Eric Gill" wrote in message

Hecate wrote in
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?

Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID card, and your poor, abused sanity.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Now, you see? Women are *lots* more vicious than men. My solution involves two rounds of .44 magnum hot loads and the back of the skull, but, *no*, you have to drag it out…

No, we like your solution, we’ll just implement it AFTER we take care of that little surgery, sans anaesthetic.

Well, all right then.

Who says men and women are always at odds? Not I. Complementary solutions, sez I.

Split the cost for the mounting pike afterwards, too.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

"Sally Beacham" wrote in
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"Eric Gill" wrote in message

Hecate wrote in
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?

Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID card, and your poor, abused sanity.

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Now, you see? Women are *lots* more vicious than men. My solution involves two rounds of .44 magnum hot loads and the back of the skull, but, *no*, you have to drag it out…

No, we like your solution, we’ll just implement it AFTER we take care of that little surgery, sans anaesthetic.

Well, all right then.

Who says men and women are always at odds? Not I. Complementary solutions, sez I.

Split the cost for the mounting pike afterwards, too.

Sure. We will, however, have to spend the weekend searching for the perfect pike. It’s got to be functional, yet stylish.

Must match the
window treatments (it’s so hard to find cute things that co-ordinate with rusty iron bars, don’t you think?)

I hear they are having a sale at Armaments R Us… 30% off all pikes and bayonets. (I know, it’s end-of-season stock, but a classic pike never goes out of style.) Come with?

Hecate wrote in message

Personally my reaction to paedophiles involves testicles and a blunt, rusty knife, but there you go.

Okay, but what about the ones that aren’t male??
Just the blunt knife perhaps?
—

Ron.

Of course! Nothing better than a weekend out with the ladies, shopping for deadly instruments. Had my eye on a new cavalry sabre, anyways.

Hecate wrote in
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:38:24 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

I’d say that’s not an uncommon reaction, except for the fact that nobody else cares at all about Unidiot’s guts.

How the heck are you, Hecate?

Not so bad thanks. Mail me. When my RAID controller died, your mail addy was one of the ones I lost 🙁

Whoops. If you posted this, I missed it. My condolences to your RAID card, and your poor, abused sanity.

My goodness people! It’s just a badly made Trackball!!

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:45:27 GMT, "Fungusamungus" wrote:

My goodness people! It’s just a badly made Trackball!!

Wrong balls …

;-

Yeah, it was a little while ago, and very frustrating as I had a striped and mirrored four disk set which, of course, included recent back ups….

Now, I back up to a separate firewire hard disk daily, Drive Image to a different folder on the same disk monthly, and back up to CD the really important stuff weekly. I also back up and image of my system to my partners computer, and hers to mine. I think 4 copies of things should take care of most problems.

What me, paranoid?

—

Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)

I’m hard on pointing devices!

"Hecate" wrote in message

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:22:50 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

Of course! Nothing better than a weekend out with the ladies, shopping for deadly instruments. Had my eye on a new cavalry sabre, anyways.

Er, did I start something? 😉

Yes, we’re going shopping. We’ll need you along as style consultant.
Which do you prefer, defenestration or decapitation? Or perhaps – decapitation by defenestration? Has that been done to death yet?

I think you just invented Dataphobia.

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:51:23 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:22:50 GMT, Eric Gill
wrote:

Of course! Nothing better than a weekend out with the ladies, shopping for deadly instruments. Had my eye on a new cavalry sabre, anyways.

Er, did I start something? 😉

Yes, we’re going shopping. We’ll need you along as style consultant.
Which do you prefer, defenestration or decapitation? Or perhaps – decapitation by defenestration? Has that been done to death yet?

How about Madame La Guillotine, only with a smaller hole for a different part of the body?

"Sally Beacham" wrote in

I’m thinking, for him… a cigar cutter ought to do it. A very SMALL cigar cutter.

Damn you, woman. You beat me to it!

Hmmm…actually, I think wire strippers should do that rather nicely.

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:45:27 GMT, "Fungusamungus" wrote:

My goodness people! It’s just a badly made Trackball!!

Wrong balls …

;-

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

"Sally Beacham" wrote in

I’m thinking, for him… a cigar cutter ought to do it. A very SMALL cigar cutter.

Damn you, woman. You beat me to it!

Hmmm…actually, I think wire strippers should do that rather nicely.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm HMMMMMMMmm……you may be on to something… with the wire strippers you get the immediate gratification of that little "snip" noise, and then that whole long drawn-out screech as the outside covering is stripped off…

Oh yeah, I believe you’ve found the tool of choice.

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:53:50 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

"Sally Beacham" wrote in

I’m thinking, for him… a cigar cutter ought to do it. A very

cigar cutter.

Damn you, woman. You beat me to it!

Hmmm…actually, I think wire strippers should do that rather nicely.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm HMMMMMMMmm……you may be on to something… with the

strippers you get the immediate gratification of that little "snip"

and then that whole long drawn-out screech as the outside covering is stripped off…

Oh yeah, I believe you’ve found the tool of choice.

Trust Eric to come up with the right tool for the job 😉
Mind you, would this be classified as a plug in, or would that be what happens with the attached electric wires afterwards?

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:53:50 -0400, "Sally Beacham" wrote:

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

"Sally Beacham" wrote in

I’m thinking, for him… a cigar cutter ought to do it. A very

cigar cutter.

Damn you, woman. You beat me to it!

Hmmm…actually, I think wire strippers should do that rather nicely.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm HMMMMMMMmm……you may be on to something… with the

strippers you get the immediate gratification of that little "snip"

and then that whole long drawn-out screech as the outside covering is stripped off…

Oh yeah, I believe you’ve found the tool of choice.

Trust Eric to come up with the right tool for the job 😉
Mind you, would this be classified as a plug in, or would that be what happens with the attached electric wires afterwards?

—

Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)

There’s always a dremel tool with sander attachement…

Why on earth BUY a popup killer? Just use a browser that blocks popups

Avant (IE) or Mozilla.

you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and

next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick

you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and

next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick

http://www.panicware.com/

Kiri

"Dick" schreef in bericht

you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and

the

next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a

feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick

you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and the next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick

you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and the next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick

http://www.panicware.com/

The Google Tool bar has an effective popup blocker, it’s free, and it’s very handy indeed.

Ron

Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario

http://ronsfotos.com
http://ronstoons.com
http://ronanddave.com

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:10:27 GMT, "Kiri"
wrote:

http://www.panicware.com/

The Google Tool bar has an effective popup blocker, it’s free, and it’s very handy indeed.

Ron

Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario

http://ronsfotos.com
http://ronstoons.com
http://ronanddave.com

No adware, no cookies, just a tiny app in the background.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:39:07 GMT, "Kiri"
wrote:

No adware, no cookies, just a tiny app in the background.

Same with Google plus you have a search engine handy on your browser toolbar anytime you need it.

Ron

Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario

http://ronsfotos.com
http://ronstoons.com
http://ronanddave.com

you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and the next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Dick

I have Google on my linkbar, saves space. I like to have an overview on webpages and together with monitors, they’re getting bigger all the time. I often use F11 with Internet Explorer, amazing what that does to a design.
Kiri

"Ron Lacey" schreef in bericht

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:39:07 GMT, "Kiri"
wrote:

No adware, no cookies, just a tiny app in the background.

Same with Google plus you have a search engine handy on your browser toolbar anytime you need it.

Ron

Ron Lacey
Murillo Ontario

http://ronsfotos.com
http://ronstoons.com
http://ronanddave.com

Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with Google?

you dont need a pop up blocker! pop ups are executed by java-script! internet explorer has advanced settings for dis-abling or allowing or prompting active scripting! set ie to "prompt" for active scripting, and the next time you go to a website ie will ask you if you want to allow the script(s) to run. if you are a webmaster like i am… you will have a good feel for what you should and shouldnt allow to run.

Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with Google?

The Google pop up blocker is very good and I will keep it running but it

not perfect. Yesterday, while I was searching for auto parts a pop-up porn screen got through. Worse yet, when I tried to close the porn pop-up by clicking on the X in the upper right corner, I got another one. Then

one. It took three closing clicks to get rid of them.

Phillip

Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with Google?

Isn’t it disturbing that everybody has to PEE?

In article <bl1140$6vnn5$>, Giuseppe
Carmine De Blasio wrote:

Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with Google?

Isn’t it disturbing that everybody has to PEE?

I’d put more thought into this reply, but I’m rushing through it so that I can get to the bathroom.

Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with Google?

Isn’t it disturbing that everybody has to PEE???????

Conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!

🙂

—
Pepe
Milano, Italy

Isnt it disturbing that *everybody* uses Windows and searches with

Not really. Why eat a burger when you can have steak?

You’re right. I’m throwing away this PC and buying a Mac right now. I

hope it’ll run on Linux.

The Google pop up blocker is very good and I will keep it running but it is not perfect. Yesterday, while I was searching for auto parts a pop-up porn screen got through. Worse yet, when I tried to close the porn pop-up by clicking on the X in the upper right corner, I got another one. Then another one. It took three closing clicks to get rid of them.

Phillip

I prefer Pop-Up Stopper it stops 99% of pop ups and a sound occurs when you block a page. Simple and easy to use, highly reccomended.

On 3 Oct 2003 02:06:48 -0700, (Craig) wrote:

I prefer Pop-Up Stopper it stops 99% of pop ups and a sound occurs when you block a page. Simple and easy to use, highly reccomended.

FreeSurfer works well and is, well, free. 😉

—

Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)

To stop popups, the very best is Ad Arrest IE Popup Killer 2.1 however if you want to allow one popup, you need to hit Ctrl + Click. Otherwise no

window will open.

Very good as well is AdsGone v.4.2.6, no need to hit Ctrl, quite efficient as well, but authorized popups will open.

I’ve found the popup blocker in the Google toolbar works very well.