Cheap PhotoShop CS2 key on Ebay

It wouldn’t be YOUR listing, would it, matey?

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

"Wm H" wrote in message

It wouldn’t be YOUR listing, would it, matey?

No. my username is Jasen1970 on Ebay. All I want to know is if I should avoid this seller because of legitimacy issues. I have a feeling that buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might mean I could be buying a stolen product.

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Jasen wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

My guess is that he has some kind of key generating software, although it is a kind of brazen thing to do – if they are illegitimate I imagine Adobe will identify the dodgy keys and block them from upgrades.

Then why not email the link to Adobe while there is still time on the auction. If it disappears abruptly, there is your answer.

"Jasen" wrote in message

"Wm H" wrote in message

It wouldn’t be YOUR listing, would it, matey?

No. my username is Jasen1970 on Ebay. All I want to know is if I should avoid this seller because of legitimacy issues. I have a feeling that buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might mean I could be buying a stolen product.

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

"Jasen" wrote in message

"Wm H" wrote in message

It wouldn’t be YOUR listing, would it, matey?

No. my username is Jasen1970 on Ebay. All I want to know is if I should avoid this seller because of legitimacy issues. I have a feeling that buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might mean I could be buying a stolen product.

No kidding. Of course it’s not a valid product

Not only is there no chance of it being legal….if you are going to steal you should not pay too!

—
Thanks,
Gene Palmiter
(visit my photo gallery at http://palmiter.dotphoto.com) freebridge design group

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Jasen wrote:

"Wm H" wrote in message

It wouldn’t be YOUR listing, would it, matey?

No. my username is Jasen1970 on Ebay. All I want to know is if I should avoid this seller because of legitimacy issues. I have a feeling that buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might mean I could be buying a stolen product.

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Jasen wrote:

I have a
feeling that buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might mean I could be buying a stolen product.

Does the phrase "Well, duh!" ring a bell?

cimawr wrote:

ARGH! Damn Google… here’s what I *meant to post:

Jasen" wrote:

I have a feeling that
buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might mean I could be buying a stolen product.

You wouldn’t actually be buying a *product* – all you’d get for your money would be an e-mail with a serial number in it.
Which it’s illegal for anyone but Adobe to sell serial numbers (he’s probably producing counterfeits with a key-gen program), but it’s not precisely selling "stolen goods".

Incidentally, it’s also entirely possible that he’s selling random strings of numbers that won’t even work; who’s going to complain about being scammed when they buy something they KNOW is illegal?

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:56:47 +1000, "Jasen"
wrote:

A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems.

I don’t believe it.

Jasen wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

I am not even sure he is actually selling activation keys in the first place. His instructions say that he will email the key *once* he has received payment.

If you look at his feedbacks (all 81 of them) he has 100% positive feedback. But 75% of those feedbacks are from him *buying stuff* before January of this year. The remaining 25% of positive feedbacks are mainly from selling the CS2 keys since the middle of January.

But one additional thing that screams scammer to me is that he has received positive feedbacks from fpv.41t on 6-Jan and paulag100 on 28-Dec for two seperate auctions for what looks like same *single* item ( A ford escort bumper bar).

Also he had 2 seperate auctions going for the CS2 keys, one started 18-Jan, the other started 19-Jan.

"cimawr" wrote in message

cimawr wrote:

ARGH! Damn Google… here’s what I *meant to post:

Jasen" wrote:

I have a feeling that
buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might
mean I could be buying a stolen product.

You wouldn’t actually be buying a *product* – all you’d get for your money would be an e-mail with a serial number in it.
Which it’s illegal for anyone but Adobe to sell serial numbers (he’s probably producing counterfeits with a key-gen program), but it’s not precisely selling "stolen goods".

Incidentally, it’s also entirely possible that he’s selling random strings of numbers that won’t even work; who’s going to complain about being scammed when they buy something they KNOW is illegal?

That raises an interesting question. If its not a valid key, then is it really illegal to sell it? (Aside from the Fraud issues, of course) So, if its not valid, then why wouldn’t the purchaser’s complain of being defrauded other than fear of embarassment?

Eric Miller

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Keygens are distributed with most warez versions of PS, including CS2. These keygens can generate an infinite number of "valid" keys (of course none of them are legitimate, but CS2 will see them as valid).

The guy’s a crook, plain and simple.

"Eric Miller" wrote in message

"cimawr" wrote in message
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cimawr wrote:

ARGH! Damn Google… here’s what I *meant to post:

Jasen" wrote:

I have a feeling that
buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might
mean I could be buying a stolen product.

You wouldn’t actually be buying a *product* – all you’d get for your money would be an e-mail with a serial number in it.
Which it’s illegal for anyone but Adobe to sell serial numbers (he’s probably producing counterfeits with a key-gen program), but it’s not precisely selling "stolen goods".

Incidentally, it’s also entirely possible that he’s selling random strings of numbers that won’t even work; who’s going to complain about being scammed when they buy something they KNOW is illegal?

That raises an interesting question. If its not a valid key, then is it really illegal to sell it? (Aside from the Fraud issues, of course) So, if its not valid, then why wouldn’t the purchaser’s complain of being

defrauded

other than fear of embarassment?

Eric Miller

the buyer could complain and if a paypal transaction get reimbursed but the ebay listing shows plenty of prior buyers for this dubious "product". I wonder why ebay or adobe is not complaining about this obvious illegal listing.

Sounds shakey to me…

-Larry

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Keygens are distributed with most warez versions of PS, including CS2. These keygens can generate an infinite number of "valid" keys (of course none of them are legitimate, but CS2 will see them as valid).

The guy’s a crook, plain and simple.

No doubt.
Selling something you can download for free is lower than dirt. What a scumbag.

"Jasen" wrote in message

"Wm H" wrote in message

It wouldn’t be YOUR listing, would it, matey?

No. my username is Jasen1970 on Ebay. All I want to know is if I should avoid this seller because of legitimacy issues. I have a feeling that buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program

might

mean I could be buying a stolen product.

I have no doubt it’s a genuine Adobe product and they are just having a clearance sale.
Where do you get the ‘could’ from? I would think it’s pretty bloody obvious.

Selling something you can download for free is lower than dirt. What a scumbag.

First I’m not going to get up on my high horse here about piracy. I have been known to be a bit of a captain feathersword myself.

I’m just questioning the statement above.

Do you mean, Taking money from someone when they can illegally download the same thing for free is lower than dirt? You mean kind of like the equivalent of someone selling you a stolen VCR in the pub and then charging you extra for the remote control?

How dare they!!

:0D

The activation key is not available for sale anywhere, much less for $20. This is a either a rip off or illegal.

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

Well…I suppose it might not be legitimate. I mean it is 35x cheaper than normal.

I don’t know about you, but if I saw a guy selling $200,000 Porsche selling for $5714 – I’d procede with caution – especially if he was Lebanese, and he worked for the RTA and he turned up in a van with 20 of his cousins with a sign on the side that said ‘Mohammed’s Rebirthing Centre’ and they all had machetes and said things like ‘Schoo mate, you want dis sic car or what?’

I’d start to think…hmmm something isn’t right here…

Annika1980 wrote:

No doubt.
Selling something you can download for free is lower than dirt. What a scumbag.

Erm… he’s not "selling something you can download for free". What he’s allegedly selling is are serial numbers that will change the free, downloaded TRIAL version of CS2 – the one that stops working after 30 days – to the decidedly NOT free full version. (When I purchased it last week, the upgrade was retailing for $169, the full version for $649.)

The legal way to change the trial version to the full version is either to purchase a retail box & plug in the serial number from the box into the trial version, or to purchase a license from Adobe which supplies you with a number.
This guy is either selling counterfeit numbers, or – this just occurred to me – might be selling a multi-user license number which is supposed to be used within a corporation. Either way, it’s almost certain that it’s not legitimate.

Steve Franklin wrote:

Do you mean, Taking money from someone when they can illegally download the same thing for free is lower than dirt? You mean kind of like the equivalent of someone selling you a stolen VCR in the pub and then charging you extra for the remote control?

Heh. That interpretation hadn’t even occurred to me.

"Poxy" wrote in message

Jasen wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

My guess is that he has some kind of key generating software, although it is
a kind of brazen thing to do – if they are illegitimate I imagine Adobe will
identify the dodgy keys and block them from upgrades.

It is illegal, you can bet on it.

Patrick

Stealing?
could be buying a stolen product
No kidding. Of course it’s not a valid product
obvious illegal listing.
Where do you get the ‘could’ from? I would think it’s pretty bloody obvious It is illegal, you can bet on it.
there no chance of it being legal.
The guy’s a crook, plain and simple.
it’s almost certain that it’s not legitimate.
Sounds shakey to me…
This is a either a rip off or illegal.
I’d start to think…hmmm something isn’t right here…

Unbelievable…
what a flock of parrots…!!

Dave

Yeah…like Dave said.

You flock of parrots.

We’re all individuals…

"Gormless" wrote in message

"Jasen" wrote in message

"Wm H" wrote in message

It wouldn’t be YOUR listing, would it, matey?

No. my username is Jasen1970 on Ebay. All I want to know is if I should avoid this seller because of legitimacy issues. I have a feeling that buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program

might

mean I could be buying a stolen product.

I have no doubt it’s a genuine Adobe product and they are just having a clearance sale.
Where do you get the ‘could’ from? I would think it’s pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks Gormless, I always can count on you for being blunt and sarcastic. I was sceptical, so I asked to make sure.

"Dave" wrote in message

Stealing?
could be buying a stolen product
No kidding. Of course it’s not a valid product
obvious illegal listing.
Where do you get the ‘could’ from? I would think it’s pretty bloody obvious It is illegal, you can bet on it.
there no chance of it being legal.
The guy’s a crook, plain and simple.
it’s almost certain that it’s not legitimate.
Sounds shakey to me…
This is a either a rip off or illegal.
I’d start to think…hmmm something isn’t right here…

Unbelievable…
what a flock of parrots…!!

Well, eBay nuked this scammer’s auction.

The flock hath power.

Thank you all, you all confirmed my uneducated suspicions, in many and varied colourful ways. I’m no IT expert and a special thankyou to the few for treating me like should have been one 😛
Jasen

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:56:47 +1000, "Jasen"
wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Activation keys are illegal but do work. Does his work? Who knows.

"Rick S." wrote in message

"Dave" wrote in message

Stealing?
could be buying a stolen product
No kidding. Of course it’s not a valid product
obvious illegal listing.
Where do you get the ‘could’ from? I would think it’s pretty bloody obvious
It is illegal, you can bet on it.
there no chance of it being legal.
The guy’s a crook, plain and simple.
it’s almost certain that it’s not legitimate.
Sounds shakey to me…
This is a either a rip off or illegal.
I’d start to think…hmmm something isn’t right here…

Unbelievable…
what a flock of parrots…!!

Well, eBay nuked this scammer’s auction.

The flock hath power.

I reported it, and probably so did others. We have the power!!

wrote in message

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:56:47 +1000, "Jasen"
wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap???
Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Activation keys are illegal but do work. Does his work? Who knows.

not anymore they don’t as Ebay took him off. Suspicions confirmed again.

Jasen wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

i have a friend that bought cs2 on ebay, seller claimed everything legitimate, seller showed actual discs, etc.

she received a copy on a cdr. she did contact Adobe, I don’t know what came of it though.

mk

"Jasen" wrote in message

I have no doubt it’s a genuine Adobe product and they are just having a clearance sale.
Where do you get the ‘could’ from? I would think it’s pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks Gormless, I always can count on you for being blunt and sarcastic.

You walked right into it. You bluntly begged for sarcasm.

"Gormless" wrote in message

"Jasen" wrote in message

I have no doubt it’s a genuine Adobe product and they are just having a clearance sale.
Where do you get the ‘could’ from? I would think it’s pretty bloody obvious.

Thanks Gormless, I always can count on you for being blunt and sarcastic.

You walked right into it. You bluntly begged for sarcasm.

You’re right….you’re always right.

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:56:47 +1000, "Jasen" wrote:

How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap???

Since this particular auction is closed, it may be moot, but, he says…

Up for sale is a brand new activation key for Adobe Photoshop CS2. It is brand new and guaranteed to work or your money back. All updates online and all full features, all you need to do is download the full trial version and purchase one of my activation keys and you will have a full working version…

So perhaps what he is "selling" is the key for the trial version, which you would have gotten for free anyway.

It reminds me of the guy who sold "Perfectly Detailed Miniature Portraits of George Washington, authorized and printed by the United States Government" for only $10.00.

What you received was a postage stamp.

Fortunately there are more suckers than crooks…

"Jasen" wrote in message

I reported it, and probably so did others. We have the power!!

"We"????
You didn’t even know whether it was legit 5 minutes ago.

"Gormless" wrote in message

"Jasen" wrote in message

I reported it, and probably so did others. We have the power!!

"We"????
You didn’t even know whether it was legit 5 minutes ago.

That was last night. Reported it after doing a little research last night after my initial post. So yes, "We".

"Jasen" wrote in message

Thanks Gormless, I always can count on you for being blunt and

sarcastic.

You walked right into it. You bluntly begged for sarcasm.

You’re right….you’re always right.

I know. I’m female.

"Dave" wrote in message
….

Unbelievable…
what a flock of parrots…!!

LOL. Polly want a cracker?
—

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com

Selling something you can download for free is lower than dirt. What a scumbag.

Erm… he’s not "selling something you can download for free".

Ah, but he is.

What he’s allegedly selling is are serial numbers that will change the free, downloaded TRIAL version of CS2 – the one that stops working after 30 days – to the decidedly NOT free full version.

And these serial numbers come from a Keygen program, which you can download for free.
Or so I’ve heard.

"baldycotton" wrote in message

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:56:47 +1000, "Jasen" wrote:

How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap???

Since this particular auction is closed, it may be moot, but, he says…

Up for sale is a brand new activation key for Adobe Photoshop CS2. It is brand new and guaranteed to work or your money back. All updates online and all full features, all you need to do is download the full trial version and purchase one of my activation keys and you will have a full working version…

So perhaps what he is "selling" is the key for the trial version, which you would have gotten for free anyway.

But "a full working version" is not the same as a trial version. It sounds like he was just running a keygen.

Your postage stamp example reminds me of a recent astronomy related auction that was pulled from Ebay. The guy was just selling the URL to a great 300 page astronomy PDF. The guys on s.a.a. figure it was most likely a free ebook from one of the astronomy magazine websites.

Greg

The seller has pulled the activation key off of his site. Things must have gotten too hot for him…

Bobo

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

"Jasen" wrote in
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"Wm H" wrote in message

It wouldn’t be YOUR listing, would it, matey?

No. my username is Jasen1970 on Ebay. All I want to know is if I should avoid this seller because of legitimacy issues. I have a feeling that buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might mean I could be buying a stolen product.

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-

UNUSED_

W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1Q QcmdZView

Item

Jasen

Did you work all that out for yourself? why ask us!

—
24 hours in a day … 24 beers in a case … coincidence?

Poxy wrote:

Jasen wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

My guess is that he has some kind of key generating software, although it is a kind of brazen thing to do – if they are illegitimate I imagine Adobe will identify the dodgy keys and block them from upgrades.

There is, out there, a key gen hack to make the trial version into a full version. This maybe what he’s selling. As he mentions having to download the trial version.

PS CS&2 are more complicated than most programs to activate and keep activated – they write to the low level of the hard drive, this is not normally formatted when you reformat a hard drive – so the Adobe information stays on your HDD.

Although the serial number remains the same each time PS is installed a new activation number is generated which has to be converted to a working key.

My guess is that is a Key Gen Hack for Adobe Trial version of PS2.

I have just Googled up "key gen crack adobe photoshop" and have

http://adobe.crack-cd.com/Adobe_Photoshop_CS_KeyGen_Activati on.html

This maybe what’s for sale on ebay.

"Poxy" wrote in message

Jasen wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

My guess is that he has some kind of key generating software, although it is
a kind of brazen thing to do – if they are illegitimate I imagine Adobe will
identify the dodgy keys and block them from upgrades.

As I recall, keygen serial cracks because part of the serial number that’s generated is based on your computer itself. Which is to say, a serial generated on my computer will work on my computer, but not on your computer.

—
Regards,
Matt Clara
www.mattclara.com

Poxy wrote:

Jasen wrote:
[snip]

if they are illegitimate I imagine Adobe will

identify the dodgy keys and block them from upgrades.

I’m sure Adobe reckon he’s a bastard.

rb

wrote in message

Jasen wrote:

If you look at his feedbacks (all 81 of them) he has 100% positive feedback. But 75% of those feedbacks are from him *buying stuff* before January of this year. The remaining 25% of positive feedbacks are mainly from selling the CS2 keys since the middle of January.
But one additional thing that screams scammer to me is that he has received positive feedbacks from fpv.41t on 6-Jan and paulag100 on 28-Dec for two seperate auctions for what looks like same *single* item ( A ford escort bumper bar).

Also he had 2 seperate auctions going for the CS2 keys, one started 18-Jan, the other started 19-Jan.

It called a Dutch auction.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/g-dutch-auction.html

Legal? No.

Does it work? Sure – he’s got a program similar to KeyGen that generates a number that works when you select the "activation by Telephone" registration option. Not that I would have any experience with anything like that 😉

Jasen wrote:

wrote in message

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:56:47 +1000, "Jasen"
wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap???
Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Activation keys are illegal but do work. Does his work? Who knows.

not anymore they don’t as Ebay took him off. Suspicions confirmed again.

Ebay did not take that down, the seller ended the auction. If ebay had nuked it, the auction would no longer show.

In the previous message Gormless wrote:

"Jasen" wrote in message

Thanks Gormless, I always can count on you for being blunt and sarcastic.

You walked right into it. You bluntly begged for sarcasm.

You’re right….you’re always right.

I know. I’m female.

🙂

First I’m not going to get up on my high horse here about piracy. I have been known to be a bit of a captain feathersword myself.

Oh my, I’m getting such a good laugh out of this conversation… What wonderful medicine…
🙂
Babs

cimawr wrote:

cimawr wrote:

ARGH! Damn Google… here’s what I *meant to post:

Jasen" wrote:

I have a feeling that
buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might mean I could be buying a stolen product.

You wouldn’t actually be buying a *product* – all you’d get for your money would be an e-mail with a serial number in it.
Which it’s illegal for anyone but Adobe to sell serial numbers (he’s probably producing counterfeits with a key-gen program), but it’s not precisely selling "stolen goods".

Non OEM CS2 CDs can be legally purchased and along with the purchase you’ll get the serial number and activation key. However, Adobe will not provide support to those who have these type CDs. These CDs are the same type that you get when you buy a computer that comes with Adobe Photoshop CS2.

I would advise not to buy the serial or activation key from this e-bay listing. The activation key that you get from Adobe works all the time. Whereas, the activation key that comes with the non OEM photoshop only works once. If, after installing and using the non OEM CS2 photoshop, a problem unrelated to photoshop occurs and a backup system has to reinstalled, a new activation code has to be gotten. Vendors who sell legitimate non OEM CDs will provide a new activation code but you have to provide the old code in order to get a new code.

All this was explained to me by Adobe support. I haven’t bought a non OEM CD so I don’t know if my explanation is correct. However, until further notice, I’ll assume it is.

The seller may have an activation code generator which he may have gotten from Adobe in order to sell non OEM CDs. These non OEM CDs can be purchased from Adobe though I don’t know how that’s done. Adobe will not sell these CDs to individuals.

Incidentally, it’s also entirely possible that he’s selling random strings of numbers that won’t even work; who’s going to complain about being scammed when they buy something they KNOW is illegal?

Jasen wrote:

"Gormless" wrote in message

"Jasen" wrote in message

I reported it, and probably so did others. We have the power!!

"We"????
You didn’t even know whether it was legit 5 minutes ago.

That was last night. Reported it after doing a little research last night after my initial post. So yes, "We".

You’re going to be a busy fellow:

http://computers.listings.ebay.ie/Software_W0QQfclZ3QQfsooZ2 QQfsopZ3QQloglZ1QQsacatZ18793QQsascsZ1QQsocmdZListingItemLis t

"Gormless" wrote in message

"Jasen" wrote in message

Thanks Gormless, I always can count on you for being blunt and

sarcastic.

You walked right into it. You bluntly begged for sarcasm.

You’re right….you’re always right.

I know. I’m female.

I know, I’m male 😉

"Kingdom" wrote in message

"Jasen" wrote in
news:43d63812$0$3542$:

"Wm H" wrote in message

It wouldn’t be YOUR listing, would it, matey?

No. my username is Jasen1970 on Ebay. All I want to know is if I should avoid this seller because of legitimacy issues. I have a feeling that buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might mean I could be buying a stolen product.

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-

UNUSED_

W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1Q QcmdZView

Item

Jasen

Did you work all that out for yourself? why ask us!

Well, at first I didn’t, so I asked. Simple really 🙂

"KLH" wrote in message

Jasen wrote:

wrote in message

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:56:47 +1000, "Jasen"
wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is
so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A
number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate
problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap???
Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Activation keys are illegal but do work. Does his work? Who knows.

not anymore they don’t as Ebay took him off. Suspicions confirmed again.

Ebay did not take that down, the seller ended the auction. If ebay had nuked it, the auction would no longer show.

True, my mistake.

"Rob" wrote:

PS CS&2 are more complicated than most programs to activate and keep activated – they write to the low level of the hard drive, this is not normally formatted when you reformat a hard drive – so the Adobe information stays on your HDD.

Sounds like bullshit. Care to provide a cite for this?

Jon

Jon Danniken wrote:

"Rob" wrote:

PS CS&2 are more complicated than most programs to activate and keep activated – they write to the low level of the hard drive, this is not normally formatted when you reformat a hard drive – so the Adobe information stays on your HDD.

Sounds like bullshit. Care to provide a cite for this?

Jon

No its fact – its up to you now – for a start look at the adobe site.

On 24 Jan 2006 16:27:27 -0800, "Annika1980"
wrote:

And these serial numbers come from a Keygen program, which you can download for free.
Or so I’ve heard.

LOL
(do not for even one moment think I(!) would download a keygen…! I have only heard it can be downloaded for free:-)))

Dave

"Rick S." wrote in message

"Dave" wrote in message

Stealing?
could be buying a stolen product
No kidding. Of course it’s not a valid product
obvious illegal listing.
Where do you get the ‘could’ from? I would think it’s pretty bloody obvious
It is illegal, you can bet on it.
there no chance of it being legal.
The guy’s a crook, plain and simple.
it’s almost certain that it’s not legitimate.
Sounds shakey to me…
This is a either a rip off or illegal.
I’d start to think…hmmm something isn’t right here…

Unbelievable…
what a flock of parrots…!!

Well, eBay nuked this scammer’s auction.

The flock hath power.

Birds of a feather, nuke together~!

Patrick

Fortunately there are more suckers than crooks…

How about the mail order item that advertised, "Roach killer, works 100% gauranteed".

What the person recieved was two blocks with instructions, "Place roach on block A, strike with block B".

Hey, it does work~!

Patrick

On 24 Jan 2006 20:12:34 -0800, "Dave" wrote:

Legal? No.

Does it work? Sure – he’s got a program similar to KeyGen that generates a number that works when you select the "activation by Telephone" registration option. Not that I would have any experience with anything like that 😉

Pleeaaase take note – of course I would not have any experience with anything like that!

Dave

***

Please take note; this self-pardonable (self excusing? parrot ) ‘Dave’ is not me; take note of the email addresses:-)))

Dave

"Dave" wrote in message

Legal? No.

Does it work? Sure – he’s got a program similar to KeyGen that generates a number that works when you select the "activation by Telephone" registration option. Not that I would have any experience with anything like that 😉

I heard some users obtaining such a thing for PS 8, but when they tried it, PS 8 was functional, but the hot keys were disabled. So if anyone complains that their hot keys don’t work, you know they have a pirated copy.

Patrick

In article ,
nick c wrote:

Non OEM CS2 CDs can be legally purchased and along with the purchase you’ll get the serial number and activation key. However, Adobe will not provide support to those who have these type CDs. These CDs are the same type that you get when you buy a computer that comes with Adobe Photoshop CS2.

This is incorrect. Adobe does not sell OEM versions of Photoshop; the only image editor available under OEM license is Photoshop Elements. Adobe stopped doing OEM versions of Photoshop years ago.

All CDs that claim to be OEM Photoshop are pirated. All people and Web sites claiming to sell "OEM" Photoshop are lying.

Adobe has always provided technical support and registration for their OEM products. All people and Web sites claiming that the reason their bootleg software is not eligible for tech support is that it is "OEM" are liars, and are selling pirated software, end of story.

—
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:25:34 GMT, "Mike Russell"

…

Unbelievable…
what a flock of parrots…!!

LOL. Polly want a cracker?

…. ‘simply love it to see people
with a sense of humour:-)
So much in opposite with the know-all’s:-)))

Dave

"nick c" wrote:

Non OEM CS2 CDs can be legally purchased and along with the purchase you’ll get the serial number and activation key. However, Adobe will not provide support to those who have these type CDs. These CDs are the same type that you get when you buy a computer that comes with Adobe Photoshop CS2.

No offense, but you’ve got your terminology backwards. Software that comes bundled "free" with hardware is correctly referred to as OEM software.

"Jasen" wrote in message

"Gormless" wrote in message

I know. I’m female.

I know, I’m male 😉

Touche! Good one!

Sionnach wrote:

"nick c" wrote:

Non OEM CS2 CDs can be legally purchased and along with the purchase you’ll get the serial number and activation key. However, Adobe will not provide support to those who have these type CDs. These CDs are the same type that you get when you buy a computer that comes with Adobe Photoshop CS2.

No offense, but you’ve got your terminology backwards. Software that comes bundled "free" with hardware is correctly referred to as OEM software.

Yes, I agree. I made the error of trying to differentiate between buying off the shelf as opposed to getting the program as a bundled item. In retrospect, what I posted didn’t seem to read that way. It was my bad, but thanks for your comment.

How do you suppose Adobe sends out working serial numbers without knowing anything about your computer?

Matt Clara wrote:

As I recall, keygen serial cracks because part of the serial number that’s generated is based on your computer itself. Which is to say, a serial generated on my computer will work on my computer, but not on your computer.

No intent to deceive. Sadly, there’s more than one Dave.

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Why pay this fucker for a key when you can download one free from a crack/serial site?
Some folk will part with money for anything. Fools.

McKev

"Gormless" wrote in message

"Jasen" wrote in message

"Gormless" wrote in message

I know. I’m female.

I know, I’m male 😉

Touche! Good one!

thanks.

"Kev @hotmail.com>" <scotsman_uk<no-spam> wrote in message

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Why pay this fucker for a key when you can download one free from a crack/serial site?
Some folk will part with money for anything. Fools.

McKev

indeed.

Odd how the auction ended early… Maybe the rumours that Adobe has a searchbot searching the web for keywords is true after all.

"KLH" wrote in message

Jasen wrote:

wrote in message

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:56:47 +1000, "Jasen"
wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is
so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A
number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate
problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap???
Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Activation keys are illegal but do work. Does his work? Who knows.

not anymore they don’t as Ebay took him off. Suspicions confirmed again.

Ebay did not take that down, the seller ended the auction. If ebay had nuked it, the auction would no longer show.

Maybe eBay needs to keep the page up until can view it?

GRINGOS LOCOS !!

Well seeing how I use PS for my business I wouldn’t even think about taking a chance. Anyone that is in the graphic design business, pre-press business, or printing in general, EVERYTHING seems to be on a "the world will come to an end" deadline.

Nope, Nada, No Way, man.

Dave wrote:

On 24 Jan 2006 16:27:27 -0800, "Annika1980"
wrote:

And these serial numbers come from a Keygen program, which you can download for free.
Or so I’ve heard.

LOL
(do not for even one moment think I(!) would download a keygen…! I have only heard it can be downloaded for free:-)))

Dave

—
Ric Seyler
Seyler Design & Printing
Pensacola, Florida
————————————–
"Homer no function beer well without."
– H.J. Simpson

—

Seems the flock flew over the auction poster and pooped all over his head. LOL

Mike Russell wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
…

Unbelievable…
what a flock of parrots…!!

LOL. Polly want a cracker?

—
Ric Seyler
Seyler Design & Printing
Pensacola, Florida
————————————–
"Homer no function beer well without."
– H.J. Simpson

—

Jasen wrote:

"Wm H" wrote in message

It wouldn’t be YOUR listing, would it, matey?

No. my username is Jasen1970 on Ebay. All I want to know is if I should avoid this seller because of legitimacy issues. I have a feeling that buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might mean I could be buying a stolen product.

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

Well Duh! I have a 2005 Ford Mustant, Hemi Powered, loaded for $5000, send me cash only!

"Darrell Larose" wrote in message

Odd how the auction ended early… Maybe the rumours that Adobe has a searchbot searching the web for keywords is true after all.

I doubt it. More likely the fact that a bunch of people reported the auction to EBay as suspicious had something to do with it.

Item has been removed by ebay

Item Title – Adobe Photoshop CS2 Activation Key *NEW* *UNUSED*

has been removed by eBay for violating of one or more of our policies. Any offers or bids placed on this fixed price listing are now null and void. We advise you not to finalize this transaction with the seller. As stated in the eBay User Agreement, neither seller nor buyer should engage in transactions that violate the law or eBay policy.

Please review eBay’s Prohibited and Restricted Items guidelines and User Agreement at the following locations:

http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/sell/item_allowed.html

http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/policies/user-agreement.html

We thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Regards,

eBay Trust & Safety

"Jasen" wrote in message

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

In article , nick c
wrote:

cimawr wrote:

cimawr wrote:

ARGH! Damn Google… here’s what I *meant to post:

Jasen" wrote:

I have a feeling that
buying an activation Key costing $20 for a normally expensive program might mean I could be buying a stolen product.

You wouldn’t actually be buying a *product* – all you’d get for your money would be an e-mail with a serial number in it.
Which it’s illegal for anyone but Adobe to sell serial numbers (he’s probably producing counterfeits with a key-gen program), but it’s not precisely selling "stolen goods".

Non OEM CS2 CDs can be legally purchased and along with the purchase you’ll get the serial number and activation key. However, Adobe will not provide support to those who have these type CDs. These CDs are the same type that you get when you buy a computer that comes with Adobe Photoshop CS2.

There is no such legal thing today as "OEM CS2 CDs". Adobe does not license Photoshop to be sold with a valid serial number and shipped as just CDs included with a PC. Such a thing doesn’t exist, and if someone tries to sell it to you, it is not a copy of Photoshop the seller is legally allowed to sell – they are selling pirated counterfeit software.

I would advise not to buy the serial or activation key from this e-bay listing. The activation key that you get from Adobe works all the time. Whereas, the activation key that comes with the non OEM photoshop only works once. If, after installing and using the non OEM CS2 photoshop, a problem unrelated to photoshop occurs and a backup system has to reinstalled, a new activation code has to be gotten. Vendors who sell legitimate non OEM CDs will provide a new activation code but you have to provide the old code in order to get a new code.

All this was explained to me by Adobe support. I haven’t bought a non OEM CD so I don’t know if my explanation is correct. However, until further notice, I’ll assume it is.

Please pass along the name of the Adobe support person, or the area from which you called Adobe support so we can ensure the correct explanation is given to customers calling about this.

The seller may have an activation code generator which he may have gotten from Adobe in order to sell non OEM CDs. These non OEM CDs can be purchased from Adobe though I don’t know how that’s done. Adobe will not sell these CDs to individuals.

–marc

Jasen wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

There is a front-page article in the nY Times today
( http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/technology/29ebay.html?_r= 1) about fraud on ebay. The wonder is that so many people don’t recognize it, even when it is obvious.

Caveat emptor.

"Marvin" wrote in message

Jasen wrote:

Any ideas whether this is legitimate or not. Might be suspicious as it is so cheap for software that sells for around $700 for the full version. A number of people have apparently bought it from this guy with no immediate problems. How does someone get a hold of these activation keys so cheap??? Stealing?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adobe-Photoshop-CS2-Activation-Key-NE W-UNUSED_W0QQitemZ7212779037QQcategoryZ111506QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jasen

There is a front-page article in the nY Times today
( http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/technology/29ebay.html?_r= 1) about fraud on ebay.

You suppose it’s just coincidence Tiffany is the one who’s whining loudest about fraud on eBay?

Don’t suppose it has a damned thing to do with the masses finally having a way to avoid the 2000-3000% markup on
fine jewelry.

And I suppose newspapers are supposed to act as fraud
nannies for their classified sections?

Tiffany doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on here.

You suppose it’s just coincidence Tiffany is the one who’s whining loudest about fraud on eBay?

Understandable if it is their items that are being duplicated and sold as originals.

Tiffany doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on here.

I assume you are a lawyer to make this statement?

"Steven Wandy" wrote in message

You suppose it’s just coincidence Tiffany is the one who’s whining loudest about fraud on eBay?

Understandable if it is their items that are being duplicated and sold as originals.

Tiffany doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on here.

I assume you are a lawyer to make this statement?

It’s simple logic. eBay "facilitates" fraud as much as (or rather, as little as) the classified section of any newspaper.

It’s not their job to act as fraud nannies.

"Rick S." wrote in message

"Steven Wandy" wrote in message

You suppose it’s just coincidence Tiffany is the one who’s whining loudest about fraud on eBay?

Understandable if it is their items that are being duplicated and sold as
originals.

Tiffany doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on here.

I assume you are a lawyer to make this statement?

It’s simple logic. eBay "facilitates" fraud as much as (or rather, as little as) the classified section of any newspaper.

Seems to me that is not "logic" of any kind. More of a literary device.

It’s not their job to act as fraud nannies.

Newspapers usually respond to convincing notification that an ad is fraudulent by removing the ad and refusing further such. They lose the ad revenue.

eBay does essentially nothing, because they lose not only the ad revenue, but the purchase comission. If having received appropriate notice they do not take some ameliorative action they may not be criminally liable, but if someone has suffered a loss because of something eBay should or could have done, they may be liable for civil penalties.

Like you, I am not a lawyer, but I know a little logic. What you call "logic" is as little logic as I have seen here in a while. Must have something to do with spending your life upside-down. Grin.

—
Frank ess

"Frank ess" wrote in message

"Rick S." wrote in message

It’s not their job to act as fraud nannies.

Newspapers usually respond to convincing notification that an ad is fraudulent by removing the ad and refusing further such. They lose the ad revenue.

eBay does essentially nothing

You’re full of shit. Either that or you missed the first 80% of this message thread.

eBay pulled this auction. They’ll pull any auction where evidence of fraud exists. That’s all they can reasonably be expected to do, just like a newspaper of any other agent who brings buyers and sellers together.

But don’t take my word for it. Just follow this case in our courts.

"Rick S." wrote in message

"Frank ess" wrote in message

"Rick S." wrote in message

It’s not their job to act as fraud nannies.

Newspapers usually respond to convincing notification that an ad is fraudulent by removing the ad and refusing further such. They lose the
ad revenue.

eBay does essentially nothing

You’re full of shit. Either that or you missed the first 80% of this
message thread.

eBay pulled this auction. They’ll pull any auction where evidence of fraud exists. That’s all they can reasonably be expected to do, just like a newspaper of any other agent who brings buyers and sellers together.

But don’t take my word for it. Just follow this case in our courts.

Way I remember it, the seller ended the auction.

"Frank ess" wrote in message

"Rick S." wrote in message

"Frank ess" wrote in message

"Rick S." wrote in message

It’s not their job to act as fraud nannies.

Newspapers usually respond to convincing notification that an ad is fraudulent by removing the ad and refusing further such. They lose the ad revenue.

eBay does essentially nothing

You’re full of shit. Either that or you missed the first 80% of this message thread.

eBay pulled this auction. They’ll pull any auction where evidence of fraud exists. That’s all they can reasonably be expected to do, just like a newspaper of any other agent who brings buyers and sellers together.

the seller ended the auction not ebay

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:13:12 -0800, "Frank ess" wrote:

Like you, I am not a lawyer, but I know a little logic. What you call "logic" is as little logic as I have seen here in a while. Must have something to do with spending your life upside-down. Grin.

Expecting lawmakers to act with logic is futile.

—
Big Bill
Replace "g" with "a"

"Big Bill" wrote in message

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:13:12 -0800, "Frank ess" wrote:

Like you, I am not a lawyer, but I know a little logic. What you call "logic" is as little logic as I have seen here in a while. Must have something to do with spending your life upside-down. Grin.

Expecting lawmakers to act with logic is futile.

This is completely true! My brother in law is a lawyer and he recently quit because he lost the passion for the job because of arseholes who used no logic and won cases because of it, among other reasons.

"Frank ess" wrote in message

"Rick S." wrote in message

"Steven Wandy" wrote in message

You suppose it’s just coincidence Tiffany is the one who’s whining loudest about fraud on eBay?

Understandable if it is their items that are being duplicated and sold as
originals.

Tiffany doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on here.

I assume you are a lawyer to make this statement?

It’s simple logic. eBay "facilitates" fraud as much as (or rather, as little as) the classified section of any newspaper.

Seems to me that is not "logic" of any kind. More of a literary device.

It’s not their job to act as fraud nannies.

Newspapers usually respond to convincing notification that an ad is fraudulent by removing the ad and refusing further such. They lose the ad revenue.

eBay does essentially nothing, because they lose not only the ad revenue, but the purchase comission. If having received appropriate notice they do not take some ameliorative action they may not be criminally liable, but if someone has suffered a loss because of something eBay should or could have done, they may be liable for civil penalties.

Like you, I am not a lawyer, but I know a little logic. What you call "logic" is as little logic as I have seen here in a while. Must have something to do with spending your life upside-down. Grin.
—
Frank ess

Ebay usually acts by killing the user id AFTER the auction is over. It just takes them too long to investigate.
I have first hand experience from a seller of forged autographs. By the time they can act the damage is done.

"Rick S." wrote in message

"Frank ess" wrote in message

"Rick S." wrote in message

It’s not their job to act as fraud nannies.

Newspapers usually respond to convincing notification that an ad is fraudulent by removing the ad and refusing further such. They lose the ad revenue.

eBay does essentially nothing

You’re full of shit. Either that or you missed the first 80% of this message thread.

eBay pulled this auction. They’ll pull any auction where evidence of fraud exists. That’s all they can reasonably be expected to do, just like a newspaper of any other agent who brings buyers and sellers together.

LOL!
(clutching sides, rolling on floor, laughing ’til sides hurt)

Do you *really* think that eBay is going to pull any and all fraudulent auctions?
Have a brief stroll through the antiques/collectibles categories and note the knock-offs being represented as genuine by the Hong Kong/ Beijing sellers.
Try "coins". You may not recognise a Chinese cast counterfeit "coin" from a photo, but trust me, there’s plenty of them out there, on auction, right now.
eBay ignore reports of these auctions, because it’s one man’s word against another.

—
Jeff R.

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It’s not their job to act as fraud nannies.

Newspapers usually respond to convincing notification that an ad is fraudulent by removing the ad and refusing further such. They lose the ad revenue.

eBay does essentially nothing

You’re full of shit. Either that or you missed the first 80% of this message thread.

eBay pulled this auction. They’ll pull any auction where evidence of fraud exists. That’s all they can reasonably be expected to do, just like a newspaper of any other agent who brings buyers and sellers together.

LOL!
(clutching sides, rolling on floor, laughing ’til sides hurt)
Do you *really* think that eBay is going to pull any and all fraudulent auctions?
Have a brief stroll through the antiques/collectibles categories and note the knock-offs being represented as genuine by the Hong Kong/ Beijing sellers.
Try "coins". You may not recognise a Chinese cast counterfeit "coin" from a photo, but trust me, there’s plenty of them out there, on auction, right now.
eBay ignore reports of these auctions, because it’s one man’s word against another.

Would someone kindly explain what changes they think
eBay should make to their policies, to combat fraud?

Do you want to see eBay go out of business altogether?

We’ll wait patiently for an answer.

Is it worth an upgrade? Thanks
"Rick S." wrote in message

"Jeff R" wrote in message

"Rick S." wrote in message

"Frank ess" wrote in message

"Rick S." wrote in message

It’s not their job to act as fraud nannies.

Newspapers usually respond to convincing notification that an ad is fraudulent by removing the ad and refusing further such. They lose the
ad revenue.

eBay does essentially nothing

You’re full of shit. Either that or you missed the first 80% of this message thread.

eBay pulled this auction. They’ll pull any auction where evidence of fraud exists. That’s all they can reasonably be expected to do, just like a newspaper of any other agent who brings buyers and sellers together.

LOL!
(clutching sides, rolling on floor, laughing ’til sides hurt)
Do you *really* think that eBay is going to pull any and all fraudulent auctions?
Have a brief stroll through the antiques/collectibles categories and note the knock-offs being represented as genuine by the Hong Kong/ Beijing sellers.
Try "coins". You may not recognise a Chinese cast counterfeit "coin" from a
photo, but trust me, there’s plenty of them out there, on auction, right now.
eBay ignore reports of these auctions, because it’s one man’s word against
another.

Would someone kindly explain what changes they think
eBay should make to their policies, to combat fraud?

Do you want to see eBay go out of business altogether?

We’ll wait patiently for an answer.

"Rick S." wrote in message

"Jeff R" wrote in message

eBay ignore reports of these auctions, because it’s one man’s word

against

another.

Would someone kindly explain what changes they think
eBay should make to their policies, to combat fraud?

(relevance?)
They could hire hundreds of experts to monitor the listings, and to yank the obviously bent ones… ..but they won’t, because that would eat into profits. Listing fees are listing fees, and experts don’t come cheap.

Their *policies* prohibit fraud – they just don’t bother -usually- to police their policies.
Kind’a like driving a motorcar. No-one goes over the speed limit, right?

Do you want to see eBay go out of business altogether?

No. I love eBay. Where’d you get that idea? Whilst there are dishonest people, there will be fraudulent eBay listings. Shrug. Caveat emptor, as they are so fond of saying.

We’ll wait patiently for an answer.

Apologies if I took too long.

—
Jeff R.
(have to work, y’know)