LCD 19-20" monitor. Worn out researching for best solution…

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Peggy Y
May 11, 2004
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I currently have a viewsonic 19" p95f+ calibrated with monoco EZcolor software; a Samsung SyncMaster 170mp which I am returning, an ATI AIW 128 9800 Pro; an epson 2200 printer, epson 2450 scanner, hp 1210 laser printer, exernal dvd writer, 3 external hard drives, cable modem, 2 battery backup units, a Dell 4300 PC, 2 keyboards and mouses/mice, a wacom tablet, and a new Velocity Micro computer. All on a large (not not large enough) desktop.

I have been researcing for over 3 weeks on LCD monitors, hoping to find one to replace my CRT which is around 4 years old. Not only for clearing some space, but also because with digital and inputs I can use the LCD for both computers and put the crt out to pasture. Adding a keyboard splitter, I might be able to find the top of my desk.
I thought of using two monitors, but having some free reale estate sounds better right now.

I work mostly in Photoshop (since version 5) with my own photos — an ardent amatur; and want to start working with my home videos. I’m hoping for an LCD that will render values and colors as well as possible and not set me back more than $900. I also am buying the monaco optix to calibrate the LCD.

So far the Samsung SyncMaster 193P; Dell UltraSharp 1901FP, Eizo Nanao FlexScan L767, and AG Neovo E-19A seem to have the best reviews for what I need, but I probably haven’t scratched the surface.

I will be eternally grateful for suggestions!
Peggy

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dave_milbut
May 11, 2004
I don’t know a lot about lcds, other than they can be difficult to color calibrate because the color can change depending on viewing angle. i did just want to say that I have duals with a crt (calibrated) as primary and a nec lcd as secondary, and once you go to dual monitors in PS you’ll never want to go back. Image editing full screen on one with all your palettes, tools and option bar on the other. Sweet.
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Daryl_Pritchard
May 11, 2004
Peggy,

Whether you’ve seen this with video yet or not, I’m not sure, but keep in mind also that LCDs do not always display video as smoothly as might be desirable. While I don’t know what spec would be suitably quick for smooth video, I think you’ll want to focus on those LCD monitors (if that is the route you go) with a short LCD response time. I’m guessing a 25ms or shorter rating would suffice, based upon faint recollection of a review of a monitor with a 45ms rating where video was stated to be jittery. Fortunately it isn’t too hard to find a monitor with such a spec these days, but it was actually what I thought to be a high-end monitor optimized for color calibration that had the 45ms rating…although I forget what brand.

Regards,

Daryl
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dave_milbut
May 11, 2004
also most lcd’s only perform best (generally) at one "native" resolution. mine is 1280×1024. Not a good thing if you like work in a higher or lower resolution.
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Paul_Budzik
May 11, 2004
Currently using an ATI 9600 and Samsung 193 calibrated with the Monaco Optix. I use this system for the net only and it looks pretty well for an LCD. Any work in PhotoShop is still done strictly on a CRT.
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Colin_Woodbridge
May 11, 2004
Peggy….

I’m a real amatuer compared with the previous folks but I run a CTX 922. <http://www.ctxeurope.com/mainprodlcd.asp?model=p922e>

In my untrained opinion it’s very good, especially the 170deg viewing angle. What I also like is that it has two inputs…analogue and digital….so I connect my laptop to the analogue and my workstation to the digital input. There’s a button on the back to select the source. It also features a USB 2.0 hub and speakers, although the speakers are very basic. Although it’s native resolution is 1280 x 1024, I did read somewhere that it would run upto 1600. I can’t verify this with my Radeon 9600 card.

The colours look great to me but then I’m the only person I have to keep happy.

Colin
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Peggy Y
May 11, 2004
I found a good site explaining the response rate, contrast ratio, etc. And another that tested 11 monitors using the optimal settings for graphic/photo work. Set for photoshop, the response times slows considerably, Since I will be working a lot less with the home movies, I would optimize it for photoshop.

I have the SyncMaster 170mp set to lower than it’s native resolution and so far haven’t had problems. It’s a combo pc/tv so not what I want to keep, though I liked what I saw when it was on display. The higher resolutions are hard for me in Photoshop because of the tiny text on the menus 🙁

I could stick with what I have now and buy a smaller LCD for a second monitor — but my viewsonic has always had a problem with a slight reddish tint (or greenish) no matter how much I try to tweak the settings.

Much of my work is retouching and restoring old photos so I understand it’s important to be able to see pixle magnification clearly? As much as I want to clear off my desktop, I don’t want to spend a lot of money on a monitor that doesn’t do well with my work; I won’t be buying another for awhile.

I thought of a larger CRT at one time, but I don’t want to kill my husband when he tries to lift it onto the desk.

Arrrgh! Don’t you hate having to make these choices?

Thanks for the responses,
Peggy
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Peggy Y
May 11, 2004
Colin, I think, from the websitem the CTX isn’t sold in the USA. But I do appreciate the suggestion.
Peggy
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Slistress
May 11, 2004
What was the website you used?
PY
Peggy Y
May 11, 2004
The link in your message:
<http://www.ctxeurope.com/mainprodlcd.asp?model=p922e>

Peggy
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Mike_Ornellas
May 11, 2004
wait till next year when the new stuff comes out.

You won’t be sorry, but would if you purchased now,
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Daryl_Pritchard
May 11, 2004
Yeah Mike, isn’t that typically the case these days…next year is always better? 🙂
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Mike_Ornellas
May 11, 2004
no

next year is a huge jump in technology.
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Ian_Lyons
May 11, 2004
Daryl,

What Mikes says is TRUE!
PY
Peggy Y
May 11, 2004
I’ve done some reading on what is coming up, Mike, but from the sounds of it it will be beyond my budjet for awhile. 🙁
Peggy
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Mike_Ornellas
May 11, 2004
actually, if you hold out for at least 6 mo’s, you won’t be sorry.

Stretch that old monitor just a bit longer.

and no, the price will be quite reasonable.
PY
Peggy Y
May 12, 2004
Thanks Mike. I think that is really good advice. I ordered the optipix for Monaco EZcolor and will use it to try give my ol viewsonic a boost for now.

Thank you everyone for the input!

Peggy
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Slistress
May 12, 2004
Peggy,

I meant the web site you referred to in "I found a good site explaining the response rate, contrast ratio, etc. And another that tested 11 monitors using the optimal settings for graphic/photo work."

Mind you the ctx link contains info about a stunning new technology…

"… and built in speakers adds functionality to performance and ensures the P922E will be able to answer any question you ask it. "

Wow an intelligent talking screen 😉
CW
Colin_Woodbridge
May 12, 2004
Maybe we should have asked it…….

Monitor, Monitor on the wall, which is the fairest LCD of all…. 🙂

Mine totally ignores me!!!

Colin
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Daryl_Pritchard
May 12, 2004
Ian,

I don’t doubt what Mike says is true…my comment was just made in jest. I’m not aware of what awaits us, but this topic has piqued my curiosity given that I too may be in the market for a new monitor within a year.

Daryl
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Mike_Ornellas
May 12, 2004
Ian would tell you, but an NDA may be in vogue.

and no,

I don’t lie. If anything, I’ll pound you (anyone) into reality.
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Ian_Lyons
May 12, 2004
Mike,

My NDA is verbal and even though the individual from whom I got the information/details/explanation is no longer with us I will honor it.

BTW: Daryl I know you were jesting 😉
PY
Peggy Y
May 12, 2004
Sorry, Slistress, I just figured out what you were saying. I could use an intelligent talking screen to keep my brain straight 🙁

I think this was the article, but am not sure. I went through my history and this page seemed closest.

< http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/response-3.ht ml>
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Slistress
May 13, 2004
There are two new technologies that could fit the bill but for graphics users the interesting one will be affordable 200 pixel screens. They have been available, from IBM, for forensic and medical uses a couple of years driven by a hybrid combination of several graphics cards.

Getting those down to an affordable level with a single card would be a major achievement and next year sounds like good timing.

I posted links for this in either InDesign or GoLive forums some time ago.

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