Animated Knot Tying

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Feb 22, 2004
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I am making a video that shows how to tie climbing knots. The video needs animations of knot tying. The rope and knots need to look reasonably realistic. I am trying to figure out the best tools to use.

One approach I tried was to take a photo of a loosely tied knot, then using Photoshop, removed a little of the rope, duplicated the layer, removed a little more of the rope, etc. (I pasted in a little piece of rope when I deleted a rope that crossed over another rope.) I then imported this into Adobe Premiere and played the layers as a sequence. It looked great as the rope snaked its way into a knot. However, this approach will not work if I need to MOVE the rope (i.e., this approach shows the rope appear along a preset path, but I can’t move the rope or have a loop travel a path).

I’m looking for suggestions… I haven’t used Bryce, but I’ve seen some knots (usually Celtic, which isn’t what I’m doing) made with Bryce. I am a newbie when it comes to paths in PS, but I’ve thought that I might repeatedly stroke and move a path…

Ideas?

Thanks,

Steve

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Charley
Feb 22, 2004
Why not make a video of the process and then convert it into an Mpeg? Much easier than trying to work from still photos.


Charley

"Steve" wrote in message
I am making a video that shows how to tie climbing knots. The video needs animations of knot tying. The rope and knots need to look reasonably realistic. I am trying to figure out the best tools to use.

One approach I tried was to take a photo of a loosely tied knot, then using Photoshop, removed a little of the rope, duplicated the layer, removed a little more of the rope, etc. (I pasted in a little piece of rope when I deleted a rope that crossed over another rope.) I then imported this into Adobe Premiere and played the layers as a sequence. It looked great as the rope snaked its way into a knot. However, this approach will not work if I need to MOVE the rope (i.e., this approach shows the rope appear along a preset path, but I can’t move the rope or have a loop travel a path).

I’m looking for suggestions… I haven’t used Bryce, but I’ve seen some knots (usually Celtic, which isn’t what I’m doing) made with Bryce. I am a newbie when it comes to paths in PS, but I’ve thought that I might repeatedly stroke and move a path…

Ideas?

Thanks,

Steve
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Stephan
Feb 22, 2004
"Charley" wrote in message
Why not make a video of the process and then convert it into an Mpeg? Much easier than trying to work from still photos.
Or take several pictures and create a Gif

Stephan
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junk
Feb 23, 2004
I don’t take a video, because I don’t want any hands in the picture. I want the knot to "tie itself."

Steve

"Charley" …
Why not make a video of the process and then convert it into an Mpeg? Much easier than trying to work from still photos.


Charley

"Steve" wrote in message
I am making a video that shows how to tie climbing knots. The video needs animations of knot tying. The rope and knots need to look reasonably realistic. I am trying to figure out the best tools to use.

One approach I tried was to take a photo of a loosely tied knot, then using Photoshop, removed a little of the rope, duplicated the layer, removed a little more of the rope, etc. (I pasted in a little piece of rope when I deleted a rope that crossed over another rope.) I then imported this into Adobe Premiere and played the layers as a sequence. It looked great as the rope snaked its way into a knot. However, this approach will not work if I need to MOVE the rope (i.e., this approach shows the rope appear along a preset path, but I can’t move the rope or have a loop travel a path).

I’m looking for suggestions… I haven’t used Bryce, but I’ve seen some knots (usually Celtic, which isn’t what I’m doing) made with Bryce. I am a newbie when it comes to paths in PS, but I’ve thought that I might repeatedly stroke and move a path…

Ideas?

Thanks,

Steve
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junk
Feb 23, 2004
I can’t take several photos (i.e., claymation style), because sections of the rope that I don’t wan to move will move between pictures and appear very jurky. It isn’t like clay where i can just tweak one spot without moving other stuff.

I might be able to do an animated GIF, although the one I did with Premiere had almost 100 different pictures… I’ve never tried creating a GIF with that many frames. In any case, my bigger problem is creating the images…

Thanks for thinking…

Steve

"Stephan" …
"Charley" wrote in message
Why not make a video of the process and then convert it into an Mpeg? Much easier than trying to work from still photos.
Or take several pictures and create a Gif

Stephan
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RTM
Feb 23, 2004
Take a short piece of rope (just long enough for what you need) and insert a thin wire down the middle. Just thick enough that the rope will stay in position when you bend it. Then go with the stop-frame technique (bend, photo, bend, photo).


Ron.

Steve wrote in message
I can’t take several photos (i.e., claymation style), because sections of the rope that I don’t wan to move will move between pictures and appear very jurky. It isn’t like clay where i can just tweak one spot without moving other stuff.

I might be able to do an animated GIF, although the one I did with Premiere had almost 100 different pictures… I’ve never tried creating a GIF with that many frames. In any case, my bigger problem is creating the images…

Thanks for thinking…

Steve
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Stephan
Feb 23, 2004
"Steve" wrote in message
I can’t take several photos (i.e., claymation style), because sections of the rope that I don’t wan to move will move between pictures and appear very jurky. It isn’t like clay where i can just tweak one spot without moving other stuff.

I might be able to do an animated GIF, although the one I did with Premiere had almost 100 different pictures… I’ve never tried creating a GIF with that many frames. In any case, my bigger problem is creating the images…

What about mounting adhesive? Or pins?

Stephan
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Pepe
Feb 25, 2004
Take a look at Macromedia Flash.
It’s easy and userfrendly to make
animation like the way you want.

Pepe
"Steve" skrev i meddelandet
I don’t take a video, because I don’t want any hands in the picture. I want the knot to "tie itself."

Steve

"Charley" wrote in message
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Why not make a video of the process and then convert it into an Mpeg? Much easier than trying to work from still photos.


Charley

"Steve" wrote in message
I am making a video that shows how to tie climbing knots. The video needs animations of knot tying. The rope and knots need to look reasonably realistic. I am trying to figure out the best tools to use.

One approach I tried was to take a photo of a loosely tied knot, then using Photoshop, removed a little of the rope, duplicated the layer, removed a little more of the rope, etc. (I pasted in a little piece of rope when I deleted a rope that crossed over another rope.) I then imported this into Adobe Premiere and played the layers as a sequence. It looked great as the rope snaked its way into a knot. However, this approach will not work if I need to MOVE the rope (i.e., this approach shows the rope appear along a preset path, but I can’t move the rope or have a loop travel a path).

I’m looking for suggestions… I haven’t used Bryce, but I’ve seen some knots (usually Celtic, which isn’t what I’m doing) made with Bryce. I am a newbie when it comes to paths in PS, but I’ve thought that I might repeatedly stroke and move a path…

Ideas?

Thanks,

Steve

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larrybud2002
Feb 25, 2004
(Steve) wrote in message news:…
I am making a video that shows how to tie climbing knots. The video needs animations of knot tying. The rope and knots need to look reasonably realistic. I am trying to figure out the best tools to use.

You don’t state how you want this animation to be delivered to the consumer. Web based, on CD/DVD, on local network?? That may influence what products you use to create this.

I like the Flash idea. Your needs are exactly what flash should be used for, not for just fancy (read: annoying) web pages.

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