How can I correct white balance error?

In article ,
Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

Using my new Olympus E400 last summer I made a serious error with the white balance setting, due to unfamiliarity with the settings. This resulted in some otherwise good pictures I took in Holland having am unacceptable blue hue. Can anybody suggest the best way to correct this please?

Under the Enhance menu, there is a color cast choice.

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"Mike O’Sullivan" wrote in message

Using my new Olympus E400 last summer I made a serious error with the white balance setting, due to unfamiliarity with the settings. This resulted in some otherwise good pictures I took in Holland having am unacceptable blue hue. Can anybody suggest the best way to correct this please?

Enhance
Adjust colour
Adjust Hue/saturation
select blue from dropdown
and use sliders

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"BILL" wrote:

"Mike O’Sullivan" wrote in message

Using my new Olympus E400 last summer I made a serious error with the white balance setting, due to unfamiliarity with the settings. This resulted in some otherwise good pictures I took in Holland having am unacceptable blue hue. Can anybody suggest the best way to correct this please?

Enhance
Adjust colour
Adjust Hue/saturation
select blue from dropdown
and use sliders

Don’t you think the color cast adjustment would be better?

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m-m

M-M wrote:

In article ,
Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

Using my new Olympus E400 last summer I made a serious error with the white balance setting, due to unfamiliarity with the settings. This resulted in some otherwise good pictures I took in Holland having am unacceptable blue hue. Can anybody suggest the best way to correct this please?

Under the Enhance menu, there is a color cast choice.

Thanks, I tried that. Didn’t make any difference. How does PE know I want to remove the blue?

BILL wrote:

"Mike O’Sullivan" wrote in message

Using my new Olympus E400 last summer I made a serious error with the white balance setting, due to unfamiliarity with the settings. This resulted in some otherwise good pictures I took in Holland having am unacceptable blue hue. Can anybody suggest the best way to correct this please?

Enhance
Adjust colour
Adjust Hue/saturation
select blue from dropdown
and use sliders

Thanks, that helps a lot.

You might try the remove color cast if you have a neutral or skin tone for the program to key off of. I fear that it if was too far off, you will be able to do a lot of correction, but never get it really right. This is one time a RAW image can be helpful, but it is not a cure all.

Good Luck.

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In article ,
Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

Using my new Olympus E400 last summer I made a serious error with the white balance setting, due to unfamiliarity with the settings. This resulted in some otherwise good pictures I took in Holland having am unacceptable blue hue. Can anybody suggest the best way to correct this please?

Under the Enhance menu, there is a color cast choice.

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"Joseph Meehan" wrote:

You might try the remove color cast if you have a neutral or skin tone for the program to key off of. I fear that it if was too far off, you will be able to do a lot of correction, but never get it really right.

The "Remove Color Cast" does not key off of skin tones. All you need is any black, white or gray area.
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M-M said

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"Joseph Meehan" wrote:

You might try the remove color cast if you have a neutral or skin tone for the program to key off of. I fear that it if was too far off, you will be able to do a lot of correction, but never get it really right.

The "Remove Color Cast" does not key off of skin tones. All you need is any black, white or gray area.

And set it to average 4 pixels (I had mine set to one pixel and it was too sensitive!)

Mike

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Clearly I did not make myself clear. You are right, but there is a tool to handle skin tone and one to handle neutral tones. They both work much the same way, but they are two different tool.

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"Joseph Meehan" wrote:

You might try the remove color cast if you have a neutral or skin tone for the program to key off of. I fear that it if was too far off, you
will be able to do a lot of correction, but never get it really right.

The "Remove Color Cast" does not key off of skin tones. All you need is any black, white or gray area.
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M-M wrote:

In article ,
Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

Using my new Olympus E400 last summer I made a serious error with the white balance setting, due to unfamiliarity with the settings. This resulted in some otherwise good pictures I took in Holland having am unacceptable blue hue. Can anybody suggest the best way to correct this please?

Under the Enhance menu, there is a color cast choice.

Thanks, I tried that. Didn’t make any difference. How does PE know I want to remove the blue?

Did you move the eyedropper to a neutral color area ( an area that was white, black or gray originally) and click on it? That should change all the colors by a like amount so they all should be closer than before.

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Joseph Meehan wrote:

Under the Enhance menu, there is a color cast choice.

Thanks, I tried that. Didn’t make any difference. How does PE know I want to remove the blue?

Did you move the eyedropper to a neutral color area ( an area that was white, black or gray originally) and click on it? That should change all the colors by a like amount so they all should be closer than before.

I’ve never been able to make this work. All I ever succeed in doing is turning the picture a bilious shade of green or yellow.

Joseph Meehan wrote:

Under the Enhance menu, there is a color cast choice.

Thanks, I tried that. Didn’t make any difference. How does PE know I want to remove the blue?

Did you move the eyedropper to a neutral color area ( an area that was white, black or gray originally) and click on it? That should change all the colors by a like amount so they all should be closer than before.

Here is an improvement, after applying the "Enhance>Adjust colour method, if you’re interested. Not perfect, still too much blue, but a definite improvement.

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/mikeos1/?action=view&a mp;current=Binnenhof.jpg

In article ,
Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/mikeos1/?action=view&a mp;current=Binnenhof.j pg

You can do a lot better if you click the Remove Color Cast eyedropper on the gray roof or the windowglass.

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Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

Joseph Meehan wrote:

Under the Enhance menu, there is a color cast choice.

Thanks, I tried that. Didn’t make any difference. How does PE know I want to remove the blue?

Did you move the eyedropper to a neutral color area ( an area that was white, black or gray originally) and click on it? That should change all the colors by a like amount so they all should be closer than before.

Here is an improvement, after applying the "Enhance>Adjust colour method, if you’re interested. Not perfect, still too much blue, but a definite improvement.

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/mikeos1/?action=view&a mp;current=Binnenhof.jpg

How about this.

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast.jpg

I went to Layer menu – New adjustment layer – Color balance

for midtones set the boxes as +57 / 0 / -82 For shadows +11 / 0 / 0 Tick preserve luminosity.

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M-M said

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Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/mikeos1/?action=view&a mp;current=Binn enhof.j
pg

You can do a lot better if you click the Remove Color Cast eyedropper on the gray roof or the windowglass.

Yes I got a very satisfactory tonal range using the hip flashing on the roof.

Probably better if done on the original.

Mike

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Sandy Birrell wrote:

How about this.

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast.jpg

I went to Layer menu – New adjustment layer – Color balance
for midtones set the boxes as +57 / 0 / -82 For shadows +11 / 0 / 0 Tick preserve luminosity.

Thanks. This has been a steep learning curve for me. I can’t find a Color Balance option under "Layer menu – New adjustment layer" Am I looking in the wrong place? (I’m using PE5).

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BILL wrote:

"Mike O’Sullivan" wrote in message

Using my new Olympus E400 last summer I made a serious error with the white balance setting, due to unfamiliarity with the settings. This resulted in some otherwise good pictures I took in Holland having am unacceptable blue hue. Can anybody suggest the best way to correct this please?

Enhance
Adjust colour
Adjust Hue/saturation
select blue from dropdown
and use sliders

Thanks, that helps a lot.

Adjustment Layer
Photo filter
Warm filter 85 from dropdown
then use sliders
this gives a satisfactory result

In article ,
Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/mikeos1/?action=view&a mp;current=Binnenhof.j pg

Here’s my result by using first "Auto Color Correction" then "Replace Color" a few times clicking the eyedropper on the areas of wrong color and desaturating them:

http://www.mhmyers.com/temp/Binnenhof.jpg

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BILL wrote:

Enhance

Adjust colour
Adjust Hue/saturation
select blue from dropdown
and use sliders

Thanks, that helps a lot.

Adjustment Layer
Photo filter
Warm filter 85 from dropdown
then use sliders
this gives a satisfactory result

Thanks again. A lot to play with now.

Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

Sandy Birrell wrote:

How about this.

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast.jpg

I went to Layer menu – New adjustment layer – Color balance
for midtones set the boxes as +57 / 0 / -82 For shadows +11 / 0 / 0 Tick preserve luminosity.

Thanks. This has been a steep learning curve for me. I can’t find a Color Balance option under "Layer menu – New adjustment layer" Am I looking in the wrong place? (I’m using PE5).

AARGH!! Sorry I opened it in PCS instead of Elements.

I got this in PElements 2 by going to

Enhance
Adjust Color
Color Variations
Midtones -Decrease Blue twice
– Increase red once
Shadows – Increase blue once

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-002.jpg

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Sandy Birrell wrote:

AARGH!! Sorry I opened it in PCS instead of Elements.

I got this in PElements 2 by going to

Enhance
Adjust Color
Color Variations
Midtones -Decrease Blue twice
– Increase red once
Shadows – Increase blue once

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-002.jpg

You’ve been extremely helpful, yours is the result I’d like to get. Can I push my luck and ask you to take e look at my original in all its’ horror, because the one I originally uploaded had already been fiddled with? It’s here:

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/mikeos1/?action=view&a mp;current=Binnenhofb.jpg

I’ve got a batch of pics sharing the same fault, all taken the same day and I’d like to make them all look respectable.

"Mike O’Sullivan" wrote in message

Sandy Birrell wrote:

AARGH!! Sorry I opened it in PCS instead of Elements.

I got this in PElements 2 by going to

Enhance
Adjust Color
Color Variations
Midtones -Decrease Blue twice
– Increase red once
Shadows – Increase blue once

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-002.jpg

You’ve been extremely helpful, yours is the result I’d like to get. Can I push my luck and ask you to take e look at my original in all its’ horror, because the one I originally uploaded had already been fiddled with? It’s here:

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/mikeos1/?action=view&a mp;current=Binnenhofb.jpg
I’ve got a batch of pics sharing the same fault, all taken the same day and I’d like to make them all look respectable.

I am a new user to PE (got PE 6) and I have been lurking reading this very interesting thread. I followed Sandy’s directions using your original image and what a difference. Thanks all for teaching me some wonderful methods.

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M-M said

In article ,
Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/mikeos1/?action=view&a mp;current=Binn enhof.j
pg

You can do a lot better if you click the Remove Color Cast eyedropper on the gray roof or the windowglass.

Yes I got a very satisfactory tonal range using the hip flashing on the roof.

I’ve tried a variety of options but the best I can do leaves me with an orange sky.

Dick Snyder wrote:

I am a new user to PE (got PE 6) and I have been lurking reading this very interesting thread. I followed Sandy’s directions using your original image and what a difference. Thanks all for teaching me some wonderful methods.

Amazing how much there is to learn eh? A bit daunting actually.

On Dec 17, 3:34 am, Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

Using my new Olympus E400 last summer I made a serious error with the white balance setting, due to unfamiliarity with the settings. This resulted in some otherwise good pictures I took in Holland having am unacceptable blue hue. Can anybody suggest the best way to correct this please?

Mike:

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I used the Camera Raw. Used your jpeg and used open as…….

my settings were:
Temp +47 Vibrance -35
Tint +34 Saturation +93
Exposure -140
Recovery 0
Fill light -35
Black 27
Brightness +48
Contrast -25
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Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

Sandy Birrell wrote:

AARGH!! Sorry I opened it in PCS instead of Elements.

I got this in PElements 2 by going to

Enhance
Adjust Color
Color Variations
Midtones -Decrease Blue twice
– Increase red once
Shadows – Increase blue once

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-002.jpg

You’ve been extremely helpful, yours is the result I’d like to get. Can I push my luck and ask you to take e look at my original in all its’ horror, because the one I originally uploaded had already been fiddled with? It’s here:

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/mikeos1/?action=view&a mp;current=Binnenhofb.jpg
I’ve got a batch of pics sharing the same fault, all taken the same day and I’d like to make them all look respectable.

How does this look?

Menu

Enhance
Adjust color
Color variations
Modtones — 4 x Decrease Blue
2 x Increase Red
Shadows — 2 x Increase Blue
Highlights — 2 x Increase Blue

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-001.jpg

You can also mess around with the brightness/contrast and hue/saturation to get it the way you want it.

I would try replacing the sky too, like this.

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-003.jpg

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Hank, thanks for the reply. I couldn’t actually open your link though. Seeems a bit garbled.

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I used the Camera Raw. Used your jpeg and used open as…….
my settings were:
Temp +47 Vibrance -35
Tint +34 Saturation +93
Exposure -140
Recovery 0
Fill light -35
Black 27
Brightness +48
Contrast -25
hosted/1RB9g0Cstc1TOsaLIVl3cvISWu5Jq1_thumb.jpg” border=”0″ alt=”http://www.pixentral.com/ hosted/1RB9g0Cstc1TOsaLIVl3cvISWu5Jq1_thumb.jpg” />ibrance

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Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

Sandy Birrell wrote:

AARGH!! Sorry I opened it in PCS instead of Elements.

I got this in PElements 2 by going to

Enhance
Adjust Color
Color Variations
Midtones -Decrease Blue twice
– Increase red once
Shadows – Increase blue once

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-002.jpg

You’ve been extremely helpful, yours is the result I’d like to get. Can I push my luck and ask you to take e look at my original in all its’ horror, because the one I originally uploaded had already been fiddled with? It’s here:

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/mikeos1/?action=view&a mp;current=Binnenhofb.jpg
I’ve got a batch of pics sharing the same fault, all taken the same day and I’d like to make them all look respectable.

How does this look?

Menu

Enhance
Adjust color
Color variations
Modtones — 4 x Decrease Blue
2 x Increase Red
Shadows — 2 x Increase Blue
Highlights — 2 x Increase Blue

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-001.jpg

You can also mess around with the brightness/contrast and hue/saturation to get it the way you want it.

I would try replacing the sky too, like this.

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-003.jpg

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Very cool Sandy. Did you replace the sky by adjusting contrast and color or did you truly replace it with a sky scene from another photograph?

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"Sandy Birrell" wrote in message
Very cool Sandy. Did you replace the sky by adjusting contrast and color or did you truly replace it with a sky scene from another photograph?

I replaced it with a different sky. When out and about if I see an interesting sky I take a few shots of it, that is from one of them. It was taken in Teneriffe a few weeks ago. I also used hue/saturation to try and match the original reflection on the water. Given time I could probably have found a better match, that was just the first one I tried to show what can be done.

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Sandy Birrell wrote:

How does this look?

Menu
Enhance
Adjust color
Color variations
Modtones — 4 x Decrease Blue
2 x Increase Red
Shadows — 2 x Increase Blue
Highlights — 2 x Increase Blue

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-001.jpg

Thanks for taking the time. However, I followed your guidelines exactly and my results differed widely from yours. Mine finished up far too red for some reason.

Thanks for the help.

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Sandy Birrell wrote:

How does this look?
Menu
Enhance
Adjust color
Color variations
Modtones — 4 x Decrease Blue
2 x Increase Red
Shadows — 2 x Increase Blue
Highlights — 2 x Increase Blue
http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-001.jpg

Thanks for taking the time. However, I followed your guidelines exactly and my results differed widely from yours. Mine finished up far too red for some reason.

It may depend on the default step size! ;-(

Dilute to taste….

Mike
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Mike O’Sullivan wrote:

Sandy Birrell wrote:

How does this look?

Menu
Enhance
Adjust color
Color variations
Modtones — 4 x Decrease Blue
2 x Increase Red
Shadows — 2 x Increase Blue
Highlights — 2 x Increase Blue

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-001.jpg

Thanks for taking the time. However, I followed your guidelines exactly and my results differed widely from yours. Mine finished up far too red for some reason.

Thanks for the help.

I tried it again and it seems alright.

Try decreasing the number of ‘increase reds’ or do an one less ‘decrease blue’ in the midtones. Try the other colors too and see if that helps, even try the ‘lighten’ and ‘darken’ buttons if the thumbnail looks right. If you look at the thumbnails you will see how it might look after clicking on one. If it doesn’t look right use the ‘undo’ and try again. If it all goes wrong click the ‘reset image’ button and start again. It is a trial and error way of doing it but eventually you will get a combination that works. Don’t forget to write them down so that you can repeat it on the rest of the pictures 🙂

The one other thing that could be making a difference is that I am using PS Elements 2 and you are using a newer version, they might be doing things slightlt differently.

I am also using a color calibrated monitor, if your monitor isn’t then you will be seeing colors differently from me so how you increase/decrease colors will be different.

HTH.

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Sandy Birrell wrote:

How does this look?

Menu
Enhance
Adjust color
Color variations
Modtones — 4 x Decrease Blue
2 x Increase Red
Shadows — 2 x Increase Blue
Highlights — 2 x Increase Blue

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-001.jpg

Thanks for taking the time. However, I followed your guidelines exactly and my results differed widely from yours. Mine finished up far too red for some reason.

Thanks for the help.

FWIW, I tried his instructions exactly using PE 6.0 and at least on my monitor the image looked very close to the one that he got. I started with your original image.

Sandy Birrell wrote:

Try decreasing the number of ‘increase reds’ or do an one less ‘decrease blue’ in the midtones. Try the other colors too and see if that helps, even try the ‘lighten’ and ‘darken’ buttons if the thumbnail looks right. If you look at the thumbnails you will see how it might look after clicking on one. If it doesn’t look right use the ‘undo’ and try again. If it all goes wrong click the ‘reset image’ button and start again. It is a trial and error way of doing it but eventually you will get a combination that works. Don’t forget to write them down so that you can repeat it on the rest of the pictures 🙂

The one other thing that could be making a difference is that I am using PS Elements 2 and you are using a newer version, they might be doing things slightlt differently.

I am also using a color calibrated monitor, if your monitor isn’t then you will be seeing colors differently from me so how you increase/decrease colors will be different.

Yes I’m doing all that right now. Keeps me off the streets!

Cheers, and thanks for the interest.
Mike

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Sandy Birrell wrote:

How does this look?

Menu
Enhance
Adjust color
Color variations
Modtones — 4 x Decrease Blue
2 x Increase Red
Shadows — 2 x Increase Blue
Highlights — 2 x Increase Blue

http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/gallery/temp/blue-cast-001.jpg

Thanks for taking the time. However, I followed your guidelines exactly and my results differed widely from yours. Mine finished up far too red for some reason.

Thanks for the help.

FWIW, I tried his instructions exactly using PE 6.0 and at least on my monitor the image looked very close to the one that he got. I started with your original image.

Thanks everybody. I’ll continue to play around. I have been fiddling with the step thingie. I’ll get it right eventually.

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Using my new Olympus E400 last summer I made a serious error with the white balance setting, due to unfamiliarity with the settings. This resulted in some otherwise good pictures I took in Holland having am unacceptable blue hue. Can anybody suggest the best way to correct this please?

There are too many methods to correct colors to list them all here. The best thing is to go to Photoshop Elements Help and search for White Balance.

By the way, if your camera has a setting to save images as RAW, you might consider it. It takes more space. But, it’s worth it because you have more control over your final images. White balance is a snap to correct with RAW images instead of JPG images.