why can't I do a hard return with the text tool?

I am trying to do a hard return in my paragraph box and every time I hit enter it kicks me out of the text box. My guess is this is a quick fix but I can't figure it out. Any help appreciated.

SHIFT + Return.

didn't work. still kicks me out.

Dunno what to tell you.

Shift + Return has performed a hard C.R. in Photoshop (and in many other apps) for a long time.

Hmmm. In CS3, with a standard keyboard, the BigEnter key does a CR+LF, while the one on the numeric pad, which I'll call NumEnter, commits the paragraph. Ctrl-BigEnter or Shift-NumEnter will also commit.

If you're on a laptop, you have only a single Enter key, which may be committing against your wishes. Try entering the ASCII code (013) directly. I don't know how to do that on a laptop, but on a desktop keyboard, you hold Alt down and sequentially tap 0, then 1, then 3. On a laptop, maybe it's the Fn key instead of Alt. Also, if yours is a laptop, you might check its BIOS settings to see whether you can alter the behavior of the Enter key.

Fn Enter works on my laptop...

I am on a laptop. I was wondering if that had anything to do with it. I tried the alt 013 as well as Fn 013, neither worked.

Not sure what the BIOS settings are. Can you explain a bit?

Thanks!

tried that too. It doesn't work. Thanks though.

I just hooked up another keyboard and it worked. Thanks for your help.

I tried the alt 013 as well as Fn 013, neither worked.

I think you need Fn+ Alt +013 but I don't have my laptop here to confirm it.

(It probably differs from laptop to laptop too.)

Re: "Shift + Return has performed a hard C.R. in Photoshop (and in many other apps) for a long time."

Shift + Return performs a soft return, and has for a long time.

Ok, then...I had the key combo right, and the concept right, I just used the wrong name. I always had those two terms confused, never sure I was right either way.

A little extra research and reading just now has embedded the difference and assures me I'll never confuse them again.

:)

Are we on the same [text] page here? :)

[Below, I equate BigEnter to the one above the right Shift key, and NumEnter to the one in the Numeric Pad. Neither is an official name--I coined those terms only to avoid adding further confusion.]

On my desktop comfuser, BigEnter or Shift-BigEnter does a soft return, while Ctrl-BigEnter or NumEnter alone does a hard return.

Joe: Hmmm, always has been:

"BigEnter" is hard return, "ShiftBigEnter" is a soft return. "BigEnter" & "NumEnter" are equivalent.

"Ctrl+eitherEnter" will give you a page break.

Do page layouts so this is second nature to me. Do it without thinking.

Seems I had it right in #4, but forgot that I posted that, and totally borked it in #12. The longer I live, the shorter my memory gets! So please, let's ignore my post #12.

But I think we still differ in definitions. Here's how I see it:

1) A Hard Return is hex 0D0A (CR, LF) and is generated by pressing BigEnter or Shift-BigEnter.
2) A Soft Return is a text wrap generated by the software when a line becomes full. This cannot be generated from the keyboard.
3) Either NumEnter or Ctrl-BigEnter will commit the text and close the text box.

BigEnter and NumEnter are not equivalent; only the latter commits.

Ctrl-eitherEnter does a page break in word processing and page layout, but there is no such thing as a Page Break in a Photoshop text box.

Unless I am missing some invisible code, BigEnter and Shift-BigEnter create exactly the same result (Hard Return).

Who's on first? :)

Joe: not you!

"Joe: not you us!"

But I have mashed the "J" key, I have run the mouse over my forehead, and I am now healed, brother! Wherefore art thou? (spake the Joe-ster)

isn't there also the chance of the text field being too small? hence appearing to kick him out of the text field?

or am i kicking in open doors here?