Photoshop Elements Web Gallery

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Will_Phillips
Apr 2, 2004
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I just got a new website and wanted to create a photo gallery. I’m more of a photographer than a web master so I’m trying to keep it simple. I used the Elements 2.0 create a web gallery, then I imported it onto Microsoft Frontpage w/o changing or moving anything.

When I preview it on my computer everything works fine. However when I go to the website it works with some pictures and not others. You can check it out here: www.mogulmice.com

Most notably the bad galleries are maple gallery 1 and 2.(nothing works) and the ski galleries.

I am pc based with a Sony Vaio that I got a year ago.

Thanks a lot in advance for your help.

GO4IT!
Will

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Dick_Smith
Apr 2, 2004
Did you remember to upload all of the files to your webserver? The layouts look fine but there are no images showing which would lead me to think that the html loaded fine but the images files haven’t been transferred into the right folders on the webserver.

Just a guess.

Dick
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Dick_Smith
Apr 2, 2004
I also looked at the source file for the Maple 1 gallery and when I tried to link directly to the thumbnail image I got a 404 error. So, either the pix weren’t uploaded or the links to them are incorrect.

Dick
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Beth_Haney
Apr 2, 2004
This is going to sound pretty simple, but I had a problem similar to this last summer when I was trying to post a gallery. I traced the problem back to characters I’d included in the file names. The galleries would display properly on my Mac (which is where I’d created them) in local zone, and I seem to remember getting them to display properly on the Win XP system when I was viewing from a CD I’d created. However, they weren’t viewable through an internet connection on either a Mac or a Win machine. Since you’ve already done quite a bit of work on this site you might have already checked this out, but your situation sounds so similar that I figured I’d mention it anyway.

Edit: I saw Dick’s post after I’d put this up. I think I was getting a 404 error, too, although that was months ago so don’t remember specifically. I do very little web stuff, and every time I try something bad happens. Maybe I’m just getting confused about the symptoms. 🙂
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Dick_Smith
Apr 2, 2004
You can probably tell this has grabbed my interest! I just created a quick gallery in PSE. When that Gallery is created Elements creates 4 things. An index.html file, a pages folder, a thumbnails folder and an images folder. The pages folder contains an individual html file for each image.

If all four of these things are not uploaded to the webserver there will be a problem viewing them.

Dick
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Ed_Wurster
Apr 2, 2004
When I preview it on my computer everything works fine. However when I go to the website it works with some pictures and not others. You can check it out here: www.mogulmice.com

The subfolders and contained files were not uploaded,

or…

The path information is wrong in some way.

I think it is the first reason.

Ed
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Kenneth_Liffmann
Apr 2, 2004
Will,
Impressive CV. I am trying to set up a web site as well. Have had no problem up-loading picture files from within Elements to my web page, but that alone is not my concept of a web page. There is a humorous and/or frustrating aspect to this as well. I latched on to Trellix on a CD from a printer, and thought that this program would do the trick for me. It went along smoothly until I wanted to up- load to my ISP, but I was limited to 3 ISP’s that the creator and payers of the disk had ordained. No free lunch!! I shall pursue this further; can’t quite justify the price of Front Page for my purpose. As of this moment I am arrested at this stage of development:
<http://members.cox.net/kliffmann/>
Ken
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Pete_D
Apr 2, 2004
I hope you get those galleries worked out.

A question for those that are knowledgable about web sites;

I have and lost a "? something", it was a command that I typed (or pasted) to the web address bar and then a pop-up would show telling the date (day month and year, maybe time too) of the last update to the current web site page being viewed. It was not a web address, just a short ‘command’ for lack of a better word.

Anyone know what I am talking about? Could you either post or send to me if you do and have it?

Pete
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Ed_Wurster
Apr 2, 2004
wrote:
Will,
Impressive CV. I am trying to set up a web site as well. Have had no problem up-loading picture files from within Elements to my web page, but that alone is not my concept of a web page. There is a humorous and/or frustrating aspect to this as well. I latched on to Trellix on a CD from a printer, and thought that this program would do the trick for me. It went along smoothly until I wanted to up- load to my ISP, but I was limited to 3 ISP’s that the creator and payers of the disk had ordained. No free lunch!! I shall pursue this further; can’t quite justify the price of Front Page for my purpose. As of this moment I am arrested at this stage of development: <http://members.cox.net/kliffmann/>
Ken

On your web page, your first question is, "learning how to link albums."

The way I did this was to create a top level folder that mirrored what would be on the web site.

Then I created an index.html file, just like you have on your web site now.

When I created Web Albums with PSE, I saved them into the top level folder.

Each time I created a new Web Album, I went back to index.html and entered a link to the index page in a Web Album. I also added a thumbnail next to the link.

If you try to do this WITHOUT a table, it is incredibly difficult. The key idea is to create an HTML Table, and put your links in that.

I searched for something to do this automatically, what you call "link albums." I could not find a script or utility to do this reliably and quickly.

If you had a tool as simple and direct as Adobe PageMill, then building the index page and uploading your site would be much easier. I’ve used Trellix and a million other web page building tools. Eventually I had to abandon my search for the one true tool, because there is not enough time. I hope that Adobe is working on something that will link web albums in an index, and FTP it to your site.

I moved on and purchased a domain name and disk space so that I could install scripts and use the server to process the files, creating thumbs and albums and everything else.


Ed Wurster
http://www.ewurster.com/blog/
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Kenneth_Liffmann
Apr 2, 2004
Ed,
James Hutchinson told me about Net Objects Fusion which he uses. I’m going to investigate this program.
Ken
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Ed_Wurster
Apr 2, 2004
wrote:
Ed,
James Hutchinson told me about Net Objects Fusion which he uses. I’m going to investigate this program. Ken

I know someone who uses that, and she thinks highly of it.

Let us know how it works for you.

Ed
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Joe_Henry1000
Apr 2, 2004
Will,

I’ll second Beth’s post as the possible problem. The exact same thing happened the first time I created and uploaded my PSE Web Gallery. I had uploaded all the files correctly but some of my images had a "?" and an "&" symbol in the name. I learned the hard way that web browsers don’t like those. As soon as I changed my image names to something more web friendly I was up and running.

Joe
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Ed_Wurster
Apr 2, 2004
wrote…
Will,

I’ll second Beth’s post as the possible problem. The exact same thing
happened the first time I created and uploaded my PSE Web Gallery. I had uploaded all the files correctly but some of my images had a "?" and an "&" symbol in the name. I learned the hard way that web browsers don’t like those. As soon as I changed my image names to something more web friendly I was up and running.
Joe

His image references are the correct format, and don’t contain illegal characters:

"thumbnails/DSC02253.jpg"

Problem lies elsewhere, I think.

Ed
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Beth_Haney
Apr 2, 2004
I did pull up the source code later and look (I always forget to do that) and I didn’t see anything wrong with the file names, although the symptoms are about the same as what I was experiencing last summer.
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Grant_Dixon
Apr 2, 2004
Will

Now that everyone has had a try this is what is wrong. 😉 If html pages are stored on a Unix server the calls are case sensitive.

You call for http://www.mogulmice.com/maple1/pages/DSC02209.htm in fact you should call for
http://www.mogulmice.com/maple1/pages/dsc02209.htm

And when that page shows up you call for the image
http://www.mogulmice.com/maple1/images/DSC02209.jpg and you should be calling for image http://www.mogulmice.com/maple1/images/dsc02209.jpg.

Click on the corrected links and you will see that a page or image will be called up.

Grant
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Beth_Haney
Apr 2, 2004
Interesting! So that’s why it looked so "familiar" to me. There weren’t any bad characters, but the case sensitivity was making it respond the same way.
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Grant_Dixon
Apr 2, 2004
If it work on a PC, I also suspect a Mac, and it doesn’t work when you up-load it then 99% of the time there is a case problem.

I have never used the web generator in Elements so am not very familiar with it. Just now I generated a small site and elements does maintain the integrity of case. What I don’t know is how the case got changed. If I were to guess I suspect when Will up loaded the site a force to lower case switch was set in his FTP program.

Grant <> grant in Unix
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Grant_Dixon
Apr 2, 2004
Beth

In this case it is exactly the same thing that you observed. As far as the server is concerned In you case it was an illegal character in Will’s case it is an illegal file name so to the mind of a computer the file doesn’t exist.

Grant
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Mac_McDougald
Apr 2, 2004
Yep, or uploaded images as ASCII instead of binary.

HTML files generally survive uploading as binary and will still work, even though that adds garbage characters, but images will NOT survive uploaded as ASCII.

Mac
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Joe_Henry1000
Apr 2, 2004
Grant… You’re a genius!

Beth you weren’t far off. As soon as I saw Will pages I thought it had to be the same thing I had experienced (and you helped solve) so long ago. I must have been lucky and just not renamed my images with upper case letters after I got rid of the offending characters.

Joe
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Pete_D
Apr 2, 2004
Comcast Cable Internet service handles only lower case for web pages.

They have a utility to convert the file names to lower case.

(Not that I understand all this. I am still unable to make a PSE Photo web gallery link work 🙁

Pete
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Ed_Wurster
Apr 2, 2004
wrote…
Beth

In this case it is exactly the same thing that you observed. As far as
the
server is concerned In you case it was an illegal character in Will’s
case
it is an illegal file name so to the mind of a computer the file doesn’t exist.

Grant

I went back and read the original message again. This time I noticed that the pages passed through frontpage.

Also, something like this happens with case when you batch files. I can’t put my finger on it, or when it happened to me.

Ed
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Byron Gale
Apr 2, 2004
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Comcast Cable Internet service handles only lower case for web pages.

Pete,

They don’t have a problem with it out here in California… here’s an example I just made up.
http://home.comcast.net/~hey-m0e/CasE

Both links on that page are to mixed-case file names.

Byron
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Pete_D
Apr 3, 2004
They don’t have a problem with it out here in California… here’s an example I just made up.
http://home.comcast.net/~hey-m0e/CasE
Both links on that page are to mixed-case file names.

Byron,

I see what you are saying. http://home.comcast.net/~hey-m0e/CasE/BuGs.gif and Marvin both have mixed cases.

I was on the Comcast forum and one of there people was trying to guide me and told me I had to convert the file names to lower case? The files were parts of a web gallery I created with PSE.

But I never quite did understand about deleting the html.index file and uploading it. So after a while I said this is a sometime in the future project.

Is http://home.comcast.net/~hey-m0e/CasE your upload site?

Pete
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Byron Gale
Apr 3, 2004
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Is http://home.comcast.net/~hey-m0e/CasE your upload site?

Pete,

Yes, the hey-m0e ID is one of my secondary IDs. I made the CasE folder for the sole purpose of demonstrating that you can use either upper or lower case on Comcast… at least in California.

I don’t use Comcast’s web-management tools. I pretty much prepare everything on my PC, and then FTP to my Comcast site (I use freeware BlazeFtp www.flashpeak.com ). I also have FrontPage which I use to do some bits of management on the site.

I really don’t put much up on the web, though.

Byron
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Mac_McDougald
Apr 3, 2004
You can have upper or lower case file names with Unix webservers (such as the poplular Apache. AFAIK Windows webserver same.

It’s just that the names of any files, including images, have to match what’s called for in the HTML file that refers to them.

For example, you can have <IMG SRC="pix/MyFileName.jpg"> as an HTML call. However, the image must be named exactly that.
"myfilename.jpg" or "myfilename.JPG" or "mYfILEnAME.jpg" etc, will not
work. Name must be exact.

I find it best to just do everything in lower case for consistency and simplicity.

Also, as most know, spaces and other "illegal" characters are not recommended, as some servers will parse them and some won’t (some will add % for the space, but will recognize them). General best rule here is NO spaces and no other illegal "DOS" characters, which are: \ / : * ? " < > |

Mac
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Will_Phillips
Apr 3, 2004
You guys (and gals) rock! I went home and changed the file names and everything works great now. I can’t believe how many people were there right away to help me. I mean 7 minutes, that was awesome. Well thanks again.

GO4IT!
Will

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