Just loaded Suite two and when opening photoshop cs2 I get my computer desktop as the workspace instead of a grey area. Every time I click in the workspace area (my desktp) the program minimizes. Is this normal or can I fix it? Thanks
Thanks for your help, I think this sucks, Adobe should make it more like the Windows version. I am constantly closing my programs and going to the desktop. I guess I’ll get used to it but…..
As you’ve been told, ALL Mac applications work this way. It has nothing to do with Adobe.
Yes, I also got a good laugh from your posts. 😀
They rank up there with the lady that called Dell support to complain that "the cable for the computer’s foot pedal is too short; it doesn’t reach the floor!" (meaning the mouse).
While the mac way is more user-friendly, I will say that as far as photoshop goes, the grey backdrop in the windows versions is the better way. Having a neutral gray backdrop is much better for colour-correcting and designing than some other-multi-coloured backdrop or application windows cluttering the surrounding view. Especially when colour-correcting images, some colour other than grey can affect your colour judgement.
Yes, I do already use a grey desktop, although it doesn’t hide finder windows and such. I was just chiming in to support the previous poster. Hitting F is alright, except when having to flip between images. If I had the option, I’d rather work with the grey backdrop right in the application. I smell a feature request…
A solution to your desire would be to use a little freeware utility called Desktop Curtain. It’s a simple app with no CPU overhead once launched which puts a color of choice (or image) over the desktop with a few simple choices such as over or under the desktop icons. A simple right click quit and it goes away.
Rick, sorry, by flipping through I meant comparing different images side-by-side. When you control-tab through images, as soon as your full-screen mode image comes up, it hides all the other images that you would want to compare it to. Welles, thanks, I’ll check this out!
CN, yeah, but then you have to "show all" to get them back, or click on the apps seperately. I’d rather have fewer hoops and go for the simplicity of maximizing/minimizing photoshop and have the same function happen automatically when I’m using/not using photoshop. Much simpler!
The thing is, sometimes it’s useful to have the other apps and folders visible. You can drag between some programs and Photoshop and GoLive really likes to be able to grab things from open folders, etc.
I work mostly in Windows now, but I worked on Mac for years and it’s easy to get used to and appreciate.
CN, still more hoops than necessary. Ed, as far as functionality goes, I wonder if in OSX you could go one better than windows, by having the grey backdrop be just a visual obstruction, but clicking on it could still automatically hide photoshop and reveal all the open windows beneath, as the function happens now? Windows can’t do this, since the backdrop is like a hard curtain tied to the app, but with OSX it may be possible to get the best of both worlds.
I understand your frustration in switching from one OS to another. If you give enough time to making the transition to Mac, I think you’ll find that the elegance of the Mac OS will win you over.
My working mode is as follows: My desktop is set to neutral gray (160/160/160.) In Photoshop, when working with a single image, I use Full Screen mode ("F".) When needing to view multiple images simultaneously, I work in Standard mode and have Photoshop automatically size the image windows by going to View > Arrange > Tile.
Beyond that, managing which apps are visible and which are not can be done using the techniques already outlined in this thread: Hide Others: Option-Command-H Cycle through apps: Command-Tab
Touchy. I use a mac and photoshop 8 hours a day and prefer it. I am well aware of the extra clicks I can make to simulate what happens in the most simple way on the windows version of photoshop. I prefer the automatic grey backdrop of the windows app, simply because it works simpler and makes sense for a colour/photography app. (not everything about windows is bad)
Peter, your arguements are inconsistent. You complain that you have to hide Finder windows and background applications. But when told you can switch to them with Command-Tab or via the Dock (equivalent to Alt-Tab the Taskbar) you complain that that’s too many hoops. So, you want the windows hidden, but you want to be able to click on them? Oohhhkayyyy.
I prefer the automatic grey backdrop of the windows app, simply because it works simpler and makes sense for a colour/photography app. (not everything about windows is bad)
It looks like Windows is the OS for you. Fortunately, we can still exercise free will…
Scott, nothing inconsistent at all. Once you hide photoshop (in windows), all your windows are revealed. You don’t have to do an extra alt-anything to access everything that was underneath. Rick, no the Windows OS is not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a software feature. CN, again, make the distinction between your mac and software. To put it simply.
The grey backdrop is preferred for colour work in photoshop. -In Windows, when you click on photoshop and work in it, the grey backdrop is there. -When you’re not working in photoshop, you can click once to hide it and it goes away, revealing all your open windows and apps underneath. -no matter what computer you go to and what multi-coloured desktop some other user has decided to use, the functionality is there.
As it is now on the mac, you can’t get this one-click functionality that works by simply being there when you need it. You have to do extra things like change your desktop to a neutral gray, hide windows and apps, reveal them.
Peter what you are describing is a function of the Windoze OS none of us like that behavior that’s why we like our Macs and don’t want the changes you like. Go back to your windoze PC if thays what you want but don’t ruin the functionality of my Mac because you don’t want to work like every Mac user.
On the mac OS you can have your desktop visible without an app backdrop, which may be an interesting and useful feature of the OS, but when working in photoshop for colour-critical work, it’s not. I love the mac OS, but I’m not enough of an OS snob to shun a software feature available on another platform when it makes more sense.
CN stop saying I want a different OS, when what I’m asking for is a functionality like windows’ photoshop. None of the "solutions" (workarounds) are as simple as the one-click functionality in photoshop for windows. If you have a one-click solution that is as simple and effective, I’m all ears, otherwise I’ll just ignore your silly assertions. It’s not a crime to say that photoshop for windows does something better than photoshop for mac.
I’ll say it again, Photoshop for Windows doesn’t do anything different from Photoshop for Mac. Windows programs run inside a window, hence the name. Mac programs do not.
It’s an OS thing, NOT a Photoshop thing. Photoshop for Windows does not have any special functionality; it acts like a Windows program, that’s all. Whether you think it’s "better" or not is purely a personal preference.
Yes I understand the differences perfectly. I’ve used photoshop on both platforms for over 10 years. I wish photoshop for mac had a grey backdrop. Can I make it simpler to understand?
Stop saying you want a functionality in PS when what you want is a functionality of the OS.
Can I make it simpler to understand?
We ALL understand what you want and so far the only solution that would seem to satisfy you is to go back to using Windows. So why don’t you do that already?
And why is hitting the "F" key one time when the document opens (to turn on the exact gray backdrop you need) a big deal again?
Is it because you can’t see any other Photoshop documents that happen to be open too? If that is the case, then the main argument for having a solid gray background being that it assists in color correction (which I agree with) doesn’t really come into play because those other open Photoshop documents (in the background..like you’d see in Windows) more than likely contain colorful elements, which in turn start to mess up your color perception.
The best workflow on the Mac for you, then, is to drag all your compositing elements from all the open PS document windows into your master, layered file, then hit the F key. Now you have what you’re looking for without any hacks programs running in the background.
And you’ll have the added benefit of appreciating the benefit of the way Macs work.
Maybe you have a problem when someone criticizes and suggests an improvement to your favourite software. I have no such problems and don’t mind doing it myself.
Ramon, just because it resembles how photoshop for windows works, doesn’t make it inherently bad. The fact that on the windows OS it opens in a "window" with an automatic grey background may just be a happy coincidence, but it is undoubtedly the preferred setup when working with photoshop, otherwise mac users would not be needing to change their desktops to grey backgrounds. And from there, it’s one click to hide and reveal everything. It’s not a huge advantage, certainly not enough to change my preferred OS (contrary to what others keep foolishly insisting) but it is a better visual setup and worth asking for as an option.
Ramon, you are the dense one. I have repeated over and OVER that I’m familiar with how both OSes work. I KNOW all mac programs work like that and that this is the way most mac-users like it. I’m NOT saying I’d like to see the mac OS changed. I’m saying it would be nice to have the grey backdrop added, to photoshop ONLY, as an OPTIONAL FEATURE, because that is by default the setup that many if not most professionals use. The benefit would be a grey backdrop, reducing the hide and reveal to one click (that happens automatically with switching to and away from photoshop) with no extra hiding or key presses involved, and heck you could even put a family photo on your desktop instead of a drab solid grey. Pluses all around! Nobody seems to dispute that, only the notion, god-forbid, that it might resemble windows! CN, if you and Ramon stopped twisting my words around trying to put your own false interpretations into them, I wouldn’t have to keep "going on about it" correcting you. So do you guys even have a criticism against the sensibility of that aspect of photoshop for windows or are you just arguing for the sake of mac OS snobbery?
If you’re truly serious about this, I’d recommend that you submit a feature request to Adobe and be done with it. Going on and on here is like running in circles.
Just who the hell do you think you are, PeterK, to barge in here showing your utter ignorance and trying to lecture us?
You are new to the Mac. Learn to use it. It’s that simple.
I’ve been using Macs for well over twenty years. I was forced to use Windoze for fifteen years in a day job with Uncle Sam, mercifully only for minutes every day, and I know what Windoze has to offer and what it hasn’t.
I started using computers in the course of my work in the early 1960s, that’s over forty years ago. I don’t need an anonymous ill-informed whippersnapper lecturing me on user interface issues.
You are dead wrong, I DO NOT want such an idiotic "feature". I like it the way it is and I thing your request is absurd. Adding unneeded "options" just bloats the program. Why can’t you get that through your thick skull? That’s why I called you dense, to be diplomatic.
I, for one, will not stop posting a negative comment every single time you make this idiotic request simply because I don’t want to see it implemented.
Hey, can we lay off Peter? He gets that it’s an OS thing, yet he’s made a fair arguement that Photoshop benefits from a neutral background. It happens that due to the mostly poor interface of Windows, that background is a natural result of the way the OS works. The point has been made, and Peter’s left trying to save his reputation and keep from looking like an acolyte of Steve Balmer.
I think the horse’s carcass can be left alone now. Some moderator needs to shut this topic before it gets uglier.
I would rather have the Windows version of Photoshop eliminate the gray background so I could see my other apps and folders, like on a Mac. Think Adobe could pull that off?
I would rather have the Windows version of Photoshop eliminate the gray background so I could see my other apps and folders, like on a Mac. Think Adobe could pull that off?
When you want to view a second image on a Mac while editing another full screen, just move the second image to your spare monitor on the left or right of your main screen!
Yes, Ramon, I’ve heard your "I’ve been working in this business since Gutenberg" rant before. I’ve been working a great deal, not just a few minutes at a time, in both Windows and Mac for over 14 years. Now I’ll ask again, do you actually have any criticism of my request, or just your assertion that you "don’t like it." If you don’t, then I’ll just ignore your posts from now on and be content that I’ve made my point sufficiently clear and amply supported.
And the mind of anyone who can read post #29. Still waiting for your list of criticisms, other than "it’s like windoze", "I don’t like it" or similar blustery opinion that lacks real substance.
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