OT: digital Minolta SLR

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Leen_Koper
Dec 23, 2003
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If you -like me- own Minolta SLR cameras and think about going digital, read this: < http://www.popphoto.com/article.asp?article_id=766&secti on_id=5&page_number=5>

I was about to sell everything but one camera en one lens, but now I will be selling just only a few spare bodies.
I’m looking forward to the 2004 Photokina in Cologne.

BTW, anyone planning to visit this major trade show? I ‘ll be staffing the BIPP stand and probably lecturing (in english and dutch) at this stand.

Leen

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Juergen_D
Dec 23, 2003
Leen,

I own a Minolta X-700 (which is pre-Maxxum). Can its lenses be used or adapted to the Maxxum and then also to an upcoming digital SLR?

Juergen
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Leen_Koper
Dec 23, 2003
JΓΌrgen, unfortunately the bayonet mount of all MF Minolta cameras is different from the AF mount. I had to buy a completely new set of glass when I switched to AF. Several years later I had to buy another set of optics, now Nikon bayonet, as I went digital. πŸ™

Now I have three complete sets of lenses and quite some cameras…

As far as I know, that allow the use of MF lenses with stop down metering on AF Minolta cameras. But as I have been working in photography for about 30 years now, I have learned one thing: if you have the money to spend it on adapters, spend it on a good meal. The only people who love adapters are the manufacturers of adapters.

Leen
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
Leen, same thing happened with Canon when they switched to EOS. I have some fairly nice lenses for my Canon A-1, but, alas, they can’t be used with the EOS (film or digital).
LK
Leen_Koper
Dec 23, 2003
Chuck, don’t be disappointed.
I still keep my MF equipment as in my opinion MF cameras are by far superior when it comes to nature and landscape photography. Focussing on exactly the spot you need is much easier and this is particularly important when it comes to hyperfocal focussing. This is extremely difficult with an AF camera.

JΓΌrgen and Chuck, you both own some of the finest MF cameras ever built. Both the X-700 and the A-1 are wonderful and extremely reliable pieces of craftmanship. Moreover, today second hand lenses of absolute top quality are extremely cheap as everyone supposes they cannot do their work properly without autofocus.

Leen
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
Leen, thanks. I’m not contemplating the sale of my A-1; it still feels like a ‘real’ camera to me, unlike the less rugged EOS models that replaced it.
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Grant_Dixon
Dec 23, 2003
Leen
"as everyone supposes they cannot do their work properly without autofocus."

You almost got me on a rant about the evils of autofocus but i pulled in my horns at the last minute.

Grant
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 23, 2003
Grant, I’d like to hear that rant. I’m convinced my picture-taking skills declined when I switched to an autofocus camera, and the more complicated the auto-focus scheme, the worse my results. (The 10D has all sorts of blinking squares in the viewfinder that seem to want to focus on the wrong part of the picture…)

Chuck
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Leen_Koper
Dec 24, 2003
In my opinion both systems have equal value.
It depends on the job what system one prefers.

When it comes to landscape photography I prefer a manual focus camera as usually time is not an issue and it allows me exacter focussing. When I’m covering a wedding or doing (environmental or in the studio) portraiture I ‘m glad I have autofocus cameras too. Especially focussing a DSLR is problem.

Usually I don’t notice any of the features manufacturers build into the viewfinders of their cameras; I just notice them when I need to know certain information like shutterspeed as I usually shoot in aperture priority.

Leen
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Ray
Dec 24, 2003
Chuck,

Register the center auto-focus on your camera, and shoot in P mode (Green modes on the 10D, I think,
all use multi-zone focus). That will get rid of the multi-zone auto-focus function and will, most likely, help to acheive more reliable focus on your pictures.

Ray
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Ray, I was going to mention in my last post that you instructed me on how to get rid of all those extra squares – thanks for reminding me why it’s working better now!!
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JD
Juergen_D
Dec 24, 2003
Leen,

Thank you for that advice. I will buy the meal.

JΓΌrgen
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Ray
Dec 24, 2003
Chuck, what you said earlier seems to imply that it isn’t perfect yet… Sorry to hear that πŸ™

Ray
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Grant_Dixon
Dec 24, 2003
Leen et al

The rant will not go on but I will clarify my thoughts on autofocus. It is a tool and used properly can be a wonderful tool for aging eyes like mine. My big complaint is that people tend to rely on autofocus without really putting too much thought into what they want. When you slow down a bit and force the camera to focus on what you want it will probably do a better job that you can on your own. But when you don’t understand when to use it and when not to it then it can cost you photos. A year or two back I was shooting with a friend, it was one of rapidly changing sports events. I as getting the shots and his wasn’t. He bitterly complained that his camera didn’t focus as fast as mine. I said that was because my autofocus was disables and I using hyperfocus while his camera’s autofocus was not keying fast enough for the shot. He had become lazy and was relying on his Autofocus system while forgot basics. Cameras are tools to be use not mantras that should govern your shooting.

Now stepping off the soap box.

Grant – the old stick in the mud fart
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Ray, ‘it’ may be perfect, but ‘it’ is still subject to ‘operator error’…

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Ray
Dec 24, 2003
‘It’ will be my pleasure to assist you in mastering "it"

(I win, my sentence begins and ends with an "it"… lol!)

Ray
LK
Leen_Koper
Dec 24, 2003
Brother Grant, I couldnot have said it in a better way. You took the words right out of my mouth! A camera just like the woman one is married to. Often on automatic, sometimes some extra attention.

Leen
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Jodi_Frye
Dec 24, 2003
say what ?
LK
Leen_Koper
Dec 24, 2003
Excuse me Jodi, some woman might be an exception to the rule. πŸ˜‰

Grin, grin, grin.
It worked it again… πŸ˜‰

Leen
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Grant_Dixon
Dec 24, 2003
Leen

You are a romantic at heart anyone that can anthropomorphize a camera into a woman is surely cut from the same cloth as swashbuckling sailors of old. But then the best artist are the romantic artist.

Grant
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Susan_S.
Dec 24, 2003
Grant, Chuck I agree about autofocus 100 per cent. One of the things I want is a digital camera which has a real manual focussing system. I can set my G3 on manual focus so that it gives me a sort of hyperfocal setting – but it’s so hard to see exactly what distance you are focussing on to get it right. And there are quite often occasions when I want to overide the camera and focus very precisely and I can’t do it quickly and easily. My SLR predates AF and while it is not always as quick as an AF SLR I know exactly what I am focussed on!

Susan S.
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Leen_Koper
Dec 24, 2003
Susan, the only way to construct a digital camera with a real good manual focussing system is building digital into a rangefinder system like Leica, Contax Konica, VoigtlΓ€nder, etc.
Technically probably no problem, but I suppose it won’t be a sales success.

Leen
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Susan_S.
Dec 24, 2003
Leen – I suspect that it would also be waaaay out of my budget as well! I’d just like to be able to take over from the camera and make the decisions myself from time to time!

Susan S.
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Grant_Dixon
Dec 24, 2003
The new pre released cost of the Leica Digilux 2 in Canada is 30% more than the Nikon D100.

Grant
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 24, 2003
Maybe I misunderstand…my Olympus E-20 has an AF/MF switch. I can turn off the autofocus, and it has a focussing ring on the lens so I can do it manually. I haven’t used it much…maybe I should be…
My last film SLR was a Honeywell Pentax, which was match-needle manual focus with a microprism focussing aid. A switch on the side of the lens gave a "depth of field preview" which I used a lot to do selective focus. I wish my Oly had that.
Bert
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Stu_Bloom
Dec 24, 2003
Hyperfocus?

What’s dat?
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Ray
Dec 24, 2003
It’s a combination of aperture / focus distance on a lens at which all appears to be in focus on a picture.

Ray
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Bert, on my Canon point and shoot model with MF, there’s no focusing ring; you turn on MF with a button and get a very small bar on the LCD display measured in feet (US model), then use the camera’s multi-purpose rocker switch to change the height of the bar. VERY rough to do well… Your OLY has the right idea… The 10D has focusing similar to an SLR; AF/M switch is on each lens. Also has depth-of-field preview, though I haven’t tried that yet.

Chuck
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Hmmm…I thought ‘hyperfocus’ was the condition I find myself in when I can get the #$^@#&* camera to focus properly…
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Ray
Dec 24, 2003
LOL !!!!!!

Hyperfocus is a condition I get when I forgot to remove my glasses and try to focus using the 10D which has dioptric adjustment (of course, tailored to my needs!)… πŸ˜‰

Ray
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Ray, that diopter adjustment is critical for me; that’s one problem I have with using my old A1. Canon used to sell individual diopter correction lenses that fit over the viewfinder eyepiece, but that was 20 years ago….so I squint!

Chuck
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Ray
Dec 24, 2003
The other option would be to wear contact lenses, but my eyes are too dry (vision gets foggy after a
few hours).
Try to seek for them on e-bay. You might get lucky !

Ray
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Dick_Smith
Dec 24, 2003
I wear "mono" vision contacts. I just have to remember to use the distance I for the viewfinder. πŸ™‚

Dick
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Dick, re monovision: I guess it’s important to specify which eye gets the distance contact if you’re a photographer!

Chuck
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Dick_Smith
Dec 24, 2003
Chuck, yes and I never thought about it until I started back into photography. I think the optometrist just used my right eye since I’m right handed! Lucky for me. I found out the hard way one day that the lenses do not work in the opposite eyes!

Dick
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Dick, I suppose it’s possible to use your left eye for the viewfinder, but on a compact camera it certainly squeezes your nose against your trigger hand..
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LK
Leen_Koper
Dec 24, 2003
Hyperfocussing is the best way to determine your depth of field. Prime lenses always have a depth of field scale engraved with aperture numbers opposite to the distance scale. Thus you can determine what F-number you need to cover the depth of field you need. You don’t focus any more on your subject, but use this scale to set the right distance. Generally this will be at 1/3 of the DOF area.

Unfortunately with the advent of digital photography these scales aren’t quite correct any more, but still a rather good guess.

Ray and Chuck, I use the diopter setting in the viewfinder of my camera. Both my Fuji DSLR as my film Minolta have these settings. However, usually I have to rely on the AF to focus correctly to be quite sure.

Leen
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Ray
Dec 24, 2003
Leen,

Now that we’re on the subject (and quite frankly, something I never fully understood), may jump in with a question (or two) ? πŸ˜‰

With my 10D, my prefered lens is Canon 28-105 USM II. On it, there are two series of numbers. One scale is in ft / m (feet / meters) and the other, below the small plastic glass where this scale is are numbers that I believe are focal lenght (because they range from 105 to 28…).

With these numbers only, how can I compute (evaluate ?) the hyperfocus distance ?

On the diopter adapter, I’m lucky enough that my only working eye (left) isn’t that bad that I get 100% accuracy on manual focus. Incidently, I’ve started to shoot with manual focus since a few weeks ago. To help, at first, I used the 10D focussing indicator. Registering the central point (or any other), once focus is acheived even manually, the cursor will blink a couple of times, indicating that focus is ok at that point.

Thanks,

Ray
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Leen_Koper
Dec 24, 2003
Ray, bad news, right before Christmas.

On most zoom lenses there is no depth of field scale. You will need the instruction booklet of your lens; probably you can find it in there.
In the "old days" these scales were engraved too on zoomlenses, but unfortunately, as hardly anyone knew how to use these engravings, they disappeared.

I don’t remember how they called it, but on early Canon EOS cameras there was a setting to use this hyperfocal setting automaticaly. You had to set the neares point, push a button, set the point the furthest away point and the camera calculated and set the required aperture. This wonderful feature for landscape photographers even made me doubt about switching to Canon. Sometimes these small features can make a world of difference.

Leen
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Leen_Koper
Dec 24, 2003
There is a good explanation of DOF scales and hyperfocusing on: <http://members.aol.com/Photoinfo/dof.html>

Leen
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Leen, re prime lenses and depth of field scale: they’re conspicuously absent from my EOS lenses…had to go back to my old Canon EF lenses to find an example. Guess lenses have been ‘dumbed down’ too… πŸ™
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
I should have read the rest of the thread before posting…oh, well. But even my one non-zoom lens (a 100 mm macro) has no depth of field scale….unless it’s hiding under the optional tripod mounting ring (which I can’t seem to figure out how to remove…)

Chuck
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Nancy_S
Dec 24, 2003
me thinks Chuck is procrastinating on the shopping…
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Nancy, nope! Been there, done that, finished! All the stores are a 10-minute drive away, so you can do a lot of damage in a short period of time. One item I wanted was sold out in all the stores I visited: a low end (under $15) CF card reader for USB port. Looks like a lot of folks are going to get them in their stockings tonight!

πŸ™‚

Chuck

p.s. I even shopped at….(shudder)….WalMart!
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Ray
Dec 24, 2003
Thanks Leen, that’s what I thought. Oh well.. I’ll just have to borrow my brother’s Canon A1 and lense to learn about this πŸ˜‰

Ray
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Dick_Smith
Dec 24, 2003
Chuck, Wal-Mart on the 24th? You are a glutton for punishment arent’ you?

Dick
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Dick, they oughta pass out those "I Survived…." T-shirts for that experience!

πŸ™‚

Chuck

p.s. Truth be told, it was very tame….no worse than a regular Saturday.
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Bert_Bigelow
Dec 24, 2003
I went out just to buy a few items at the local grocery store. Couldn’t even find a place to park! Yech! Hope it’s better later in the day…
Bert
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Beth_Haney
Dec 24, 2003
Hey, Chuck, I think JoAnn Fabrics still has a whole stack of those USB things! πŸ™‚
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
Beth, good shot!!

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Chuck
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Beth_Haney
Dec 24, 2003
Merry Christmas, Chuck!! πŸ™‚
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Chuck_Snyder
Dec 24, 2003
And to your and your family also, Beth!!

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