Spotcolour in a DCS is seperating addional on other Spotplates

Hello, thought to me is nothing strange anymore ; -) and did not had ever problems with spots out of Photoshop, however created with plug-ins in PSD 4 and 5.5.

Now: In the Postscript from Xpress 6,1 in summ is OK as 7 plates.

Eps (out of Illustrator 10) and Xpress 6.1 generated spotclolours separate OK. The PSD spot is separating also - BUT appears ADDITIONAL on the other spot-plates as grey tone!
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The file: 4c + 3 colors are required. One spotcolour each (blue) Xpress Doku (red) are defined in the Illustrator eps. the spotcolor (for partial lacquer finish) in PSD 7,01 additionally as channel in the picture put on (NO GREY TONE 100% covering), as Spot. defined and as DCS file as different files stored.
Point someone from a problem of Spotcolours from PSD 7,01 in connection of the separation in XPress 6.1? Any idea? Thanks for any help!
And excuse my bad english ;-)
Achim, from sunny Berlin

Achim,

I haven't used Quark for a while and the last version I used was 4.1 but here is one way I resolved the extra spot color issues.

When I use a Photoshop document with spot colors and then place it in Quark, I allow the Photoshop PMS colors to determined how they are named. If you are having trouble with extra duplicate spot colors in quark that you don't want and can't delete, you might want to start fresh with a new blank Quark document, delete all the colors, then import your Photoshop DCS files with the standard PMS names. Use those for the rest of your document.

Linda

Hi Linda,
what is a standard PMS name?
If I save a new channel I am asked for a name and I give a name, PSD is otherwise naming as noname channel.
This Spotcolour name in unique and is not in the Xpress doke before the import of the eps of the dcs file.
And the names of the othe spotcolours are uique also and working fine. Only the PSD file is doing wrong, is appearing on the otTer spotplates, and strange as 60-70% grey, AND while writing this with the strange grey ... I got it wy!

Inside the cannal-options a preview colour is possible to definine. I thange the colour to white and the the solid to 100% ! The prewiev in Xpress is white, and on the spotplataes it is ok for this job. But in real it is NOT ok!
Its a bad bug, but in what? PSD or Xpress? will write this also in a seperate task. Achim

Achim,

I might have misunderstood your question and not sure I'm the best person to answer it. However in response to your first question, I've posted three screen shots to show you what I mean by assigning a Pantone Color in Photoshop.

Here are three screen shots to show you what I meant. < http://graphicspalmbeach.com/forum/SpotColorAdvice/SpotColor sPS.html>

Maybe someone else will be able to help you from here.

Hi LRK,
the naming has to be unique, thats all, so that the names of of colours in PSD and the layoutprogramm are the same.
But this is reflecting only on how much plates are generated.

Best regards
Achim

Achim,

In the past I had to work around a problem that seemed to occur with Quark. Because I don't own the newer version of Quark, this might be better addressed by someone who does. There is a very knowledable print expert (John Kallios) in the InDesign forum. He's a very busy guy so he may or may not be available to help you but I've sent him an email, just in case.

Linda

BTW, We also have some print experts in this forum... if they are available they may respond as well.

Hi Linda,
I tried it also with Xpress 5, the same.
I dont got so often jobs with severall spot-colours, so my last experiance is some time back, but I am shure, this wasnt a problem with Xpress 4 and PSD 4 and 5 DCS files and a special spotcolour plugin - I have it anymore and vorgotten the name.
Mike Ornellas gave a reply its a problem of Quark, I posted my problem to quark also.

Lets see.
Achim

I just saw Mike's response <http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?13@@.3bb3daf5/0> in the other thread. Mike knows his stuff so I'm sure it's a bug. How to work around it, I don't know since I'm using vs. 4.1 when I use Quark.

I try to do everything I can in InDesign CS now. It's a far better program than Quark.

Might be, this with ID, for some cases. But it has no posibillity of extern scripting exept XML, but this is not enough for doing flexible database publishing. And how is ID working on bigger files, 80-110 meg-files with 400-600 pages and more with a few hundreds of picts?
I dont get everything, I know ;-)
Thanks to all for reply. I will try the same next day with ID. Regards from Berlin, Achim

I wish you well on your project Achim.

Be sure to check back here though... someone might be able to help with a workaround. I also sent John K an email on your behalf... so be sure to check back, just in case.

Add blank CMY channels to the Photoshop document.

Quark wants to see CMYK plates ALL THE TIME in a doc.

If you have spot colors plus black, with no CMY, Quark tries to generate a black place and sometimes will just start creating colors in other plates just because it feels like it.

Quark could care less about what customers think with their current version of 6, and could care even less about an older version.

Just add blank CMY plates, and the separation(S) will be preserved.

Hi Mike, and y are unused this pict, m and k + varnish are used. Do you mean to give some colour to every channel? I will give it a try later on, otherwise somebody has go work with PitStop on the pdf. Even not to hard. I will tell, now have to get me something from the shops still they are not closed :-) for my body still wants more than buggy pixels :-)
Achim

Do you mean to give some colour to every channel?

No,

add blank channels.

The channels need to be there to stop the bug.

You don't need any tone in those plates, they just need to be in the Photoshop document.

I am a little confused with the results you are getting.

You have a Illustrator eps image placed in Xpress 6.1 and it separates correctly.

You also have a Photoshop dcs image that contains cmyk channels plus spot channels saved as a dcs2 image (separate files?) placed into Xpress 6.1.

Are you getting the correct spot output PLUS image in the black separation?

or…

Does the spot channel ONLY image in the black channel as grayscale?

or…

Does the spot channel output to the cmyk channels based upon the cmyk preview of the spot color?

Are you printing from Xpress as separations, or are you using deviceN output? Are you using any specialized 3rd xtensions to output dcs images in a composite workflow?

The basics to this workflow is to follow Mike's advice, make sure the spot names matches exactly the spot name Xpress 6.1 displays. (this means going back into the Photoshop image and changing the name due to Xpress's "feature" of correcting spot names) and outputting as separations. (unless you have specialize xtensions or software to composite the separated workflow)

Remember,

If you are trying to "remap" colors in the page layout application, don't remap the DCS color names to the Illustrator names.

Change the DCS file spot color name to match or map all other color names to the DCS spot color names.

You can't remap colors from DCS files and expect them to come out on the correct plate.

Hi John,

.... you have a Illustrator eps image placed in Xpress 6.1 and it separates correctly.

yes

....You also have a Photoshop dcs image that contains cmyk channels plus spot channels saved as a dcs2 image (separate files?) placed into Xpress 6.1.

yes

....Are you getting the correct spot output PLUS image in the black separation?

Correct cmyk plates, the spotcolours are seperating, but the previewcolour of the spot-channel of the PSD eps ist appearing on the two other spot-plates.

....Does the spot channel output to the cmyk channels based upon the cmyk preview of the spot color?

??? Its a cmyk + 1 channel for a spotcolour. This channel has a PSD given previewcolour, and has not to get on a plate. Ist like Xpress is sending the screen ito the spotcolour plates.
And for the names .. even I edit inside the heading eps - if the names are gone.

....Are you printing from Xpress as separations, or are you using deviceN output? Are you using any specialized 3rd xtensions to output dcs images in a composite workflow?

Printing as sepertaions, no DeviceN, - the hires-parts of the DCS are not sent with, no xtensions for DCS output.

I put some emty channels to the psd file, 2 spotcolours and on maskchannel, this two empty channels are producing two empty plates, but on the plate with spotcolours on the preview of the varnish is inside the blue spot.

Achim

Hi Mike,
it is possible to remap by editing the postscript, but its a bad work with no mistaks in syntax and naming. I dont do it without need.
But it s not th problem. I had once a special software for uilding a postscripfile for outputting a Document with dcs information to a rip for a copymachine, it is a little like that, that the screeninformation is sent with.
Achim

O excuse my badly hacking on the buchstaben ;.)

Forgive me, but I am just not understanding your results. (lack of sleep on my end plus been very busy)

Can you send me the dcs image.

john(at)orionprinting(dot)com

If not, no hard feelings. With my fogged filled brain, it will be easier for me to see the problem if I have the file in front of me. I will post back here as well as possibly sending you a separated pdf to show my results.

I hear ya John. It's so much easier to solve a problem by seeing the file.

Problem solved.

OH GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHAME ;-( ;-(;-(;-(;-(

Somebody - who I really dont want to kill - had changed the joboptions of the destiller dropfolder! Inside the tab "Advanced" the one "Idontwanttokill" took away the process DCS comments and "Preserve document information from DCS!

Thanks to John!
For asking me for a file to have a look at. Very very nice! For not to send the higres file to him I put the ps into the screenres hotfolder - and this screenresfile for John DID NOT SHOWN this kwzgrrrrrrrrkrkrk. ;-)
So he put myself on the track and thanks to everybody to give me a helping hand! And once you be in Germany have a look to a bookshop for an big Spanish Wineguide named PUENTO. And have a look to the enveloop and the varnished wineleeves.
Best regards and not to forget durig dcs trouble - peace to the world Achim, out of the dark Berlin

It's so nice you got it solved Achim.

Thanks John!

Yes, I do not mind taking credit for doing nothing. XD

LOL, Is that what you did? You are too modest.

Hey, you did the best thing of all. You helped our friend find his own problem. What better way to learn, no? Besides you dropped what you were doing to come and offer some help. Yes you did help John... and Mike did too. Now quit being so modest... :)

:P

;)