Improve Text Resolution?

Using PhotoShop, I'm trying to improve text resolution of a 6X4 inch jpeg image with current resolution of 300 ppi. I need to get the exact same size image (6X4 print) at higher text resolution.

I managed to crop the original and paste it into a new image with higher resolution (600 ppi) and then type the text into the new file. But I can't seem to move the text characters to the proper location without getting errors of "The layer is locked" ect.

What's the best way to re-type new high resolution text characters into a lower resolution image, maintaining the original size, to produce a higher resolution result?

Thanks,

-Bill

Bill B found these unused words:

Using PhotoShop, I'm trying to improve text resolution of a 6X4 inch jpeg image with current resolution of 300 ppi. I need to get the exact same size image (6X4 print) at higher text resolution.

I managed to crop the original and paste it into a new image with higher resolution (600 ppi) and then type the text into the new file. But I can't seem to move the text characters to the proper location without getting errors of "The layer is locked" ect.
What's the best way to re-type new high resolution text characters into a lower resolution image, maintaining the original size, to produce a higher resolution result?

Thanks,

-Bill

IIRC, you need to 'render' the text before dragging over to another.

Within the high res, you should be ablt to "^ drag" for position within that image while in 'text mode'.

Bill B wrote:

What's the best way to re-type new high resolution text characters into a lower resolution image, maintaining the original size, to produce a higher resolution result?

Oh man, I had to do that a couple times to reproduce content from old photos for research purposes. I still question the need, but...

The hard part is finding the correct type face (font). If you aren't familiar with the huge family of type-faces, then find the clearest sample from your image, possibly add some contrast and submit it to http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/

That's a start.

You can change the horizontal and vertical spacing of the type face using the Characters pallet. Kerning is another story.

Just my two-bits worth,
j

Bill B wrote:

Using PhotoShop, I'm trying to improve text resolution of a 6X4 inch jpeg image with current resolution of 300 ppi. I need to get the exact same size image (6X4 print) at higher text resolution.

I managed to crop the original and paste it into a new image with higher resolution (600 ppi) and then type the text into the new file. But I can't seem to move the text characters to the proper location without getting errors of "The layer is locked" ect.
What's the best way to re-type new high resolution text characters into a lower resolution image, maintaining the original size, to produce a higher resolution result?

Thanks,

-Bill

Well, I played with it for awhile and found the only way I could reliably replace the text characters was to type the text in a vacant white section of the image and then save the image as a jpeg file and then reload the file, and then move the text around. It's the long way around the problem, but seems to work. I'll have it printed tomorrow to see how well it worked out.

-Bill

Bill B wrote:

Well, I played with it for awhile and found the only way I could reliably replace the text characters was to type the text in a vacant white section of the image and then save the image as a jpeg file and then reload the file, and then move the text around. It's the long way around the problem, but seems to work. I'll have it printed tomorrow to see how well it worked out.

You can move the text around in the photoshop format, too, with more control and no loss of fidelity.

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Bill B wrote:

Well, I played with it for awhile and found the only way I could reliably replace the text characters was to type the text in a vacant white section of the image and then save the image as a jpeg file and then reload the file, and then move the text around. It's the long way around the problem, but seems to work. I'll have it printed tomorrow to see how well it worked out.

You're making several mistakes.

1. Do not save as JPEG. Save as PSD. A PSD file has layers. Text on a layer can always be moved around with no difficulty.

2. if you care about quality, don't use JPEG. JPEG was invented for situations where file size on disk is critical and image quality is not important. JPEG files are degraded in quality in order to make the disk file smaller. Only use JPEG if it absolutely has to be JPEG, if image quality is not important, and if no other file format can work.

3. If you get the "layer is locked" message, you are trying to move the background layer. Open your Layers palette. Click on the text layer. Then use the Move tool to move the text.

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"tacit" wrote in message

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Bill B wrote:

Well, I played with it for awhile and found the only way I could reliably replace the text characters was to type the text in a vacant white section of the image and then save the image as a jpeg file and then reload the file, and then move the text around. It's the long way around the problem, but seems to work. I'll have it printed tomorrow to see how well it worked out.

You're making several mistakes.

1. Do not save as JPEG. Save as PSD. A PSD file has layers. Text on a layer can always be moved around with no difficulty.

2. if you care about quality, don't use JPEG. JPEG was invented for situations where file size on disk is critical and image quality is not important. JPEG files are degraded in quality in order to make the disk file smaller. Only use JPEG if it absolutely has to be JPEG, if image quality is not important, and if no other file format can work.
3. If you get the "layer is locked" message, you are trying to move the background layer. Open your Layers palette. Click on the text layer. Then use the Move tool to move the text.

all the above by tacit is right on
text makes a layered doc by default so save as psd or layered tiff you can move it before placing and after as well
amke sure to
click the text thumbnail to "set" the layer set then choose move tool when you are in move tool
untick the box that says auto select layer if that is making the problem

Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

On Jun 30, 7:16 am, tacit wrote:

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Bill B wrote:

Well, I played with it for awhile and found the only way I could reliably replace the text characters was to type the text in a vacant white section of the image and then save the image as a jpeg file and then reload the file, and then move the text around. It's the long way around the problem, but seems to work. I'll have it printed tomorrow to see how well it worked out.

You're making several mistakes.

1. Do not save as JPEG. Save as PSD. A PSD file has layers. Text on a layer can always be moved around with no difficulty.

2. if you care about quality, don't use JPEG. JPEG was invented for situations where file size on disk is critical and image quality is not important. JPEG files are degraded in quality in order to make the disk file smaller. Only use JPEG if it absolutely has to be JPEG, if image quality is not important, and if no other file format can work.
3. If you get the "layer is locked" message, you are trying to move the background layer. Open your Layers palette. Click on the text layer. Then use the Move tool to move the text.

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I'm sure there are a lot of mistakes, but the quality of the 1 Meg Jpeg file is quite good. I can zoom in on the fine detail with very little loss of resolution. It looks very good printed on a 6X4 print. The problem I have now is the registration doesn't exactly match what I want. I found the rulers used in PS are not very accurate. The print measurements disagree with the rulers in PS by about a 1/16 inch error. So, I have to use the low resolution measurements in the original file and attempt to duplicate that in the new file. I'll see how well that works tomorrow.

-Bill

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

I'm sure there are a lot of mistakes, but the quality of the 1 Meg Jpeg file is quite good. I can zoom in on the fine detail with very little loss of resolution. It looks very good printed on a 6X4 print. The problem I have now is the registration doesn't exactly match what I want. I found the rulers used in PS are not very accurate. The print measurements disagree with the rulers in PS by about a 1/16 inch error. So, I have to use the low resolution measurements in the original file and attempt to duplicate that in the new file. I'll see how well that works tomorrow.

-Bill

I am JPGer and quite happy with JPG for somewhere around 2 decades now. Yup! the first generation of JPG wasn't very good but it has grown and my clients and I have been very happy with JPG.

I am JPGer and quite happy with JPG for somewhere around 2 decades now. Yup! the first generation of JPG wasn't very good but it has grown and my clients and I have been very happy with JPG.

If a photo is analagous to $1,000,000, a tiff, or RAW, or PSD version will be $1,000,000. In some cases there will be additional benefits, such as the layers in PSD. However, a JPEG of the photo will be $642,000 or $799,723 or maybe even 997,841. Still a lot of money, and nearly a million, still looking good some some people, but not $1,000,000.

--
Graham Waiffers

The poster formerly known as Roger Thaat, Watson deMeneux or Jack Skwaht.

On Jun 30, 4:13 pm, "KatWoman" wrote:

"tacit" wrote in message

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Bill B wrote:

Well, I played with it for awhile and found the only way I could reliably replace the text characters was to type the text in a vacant white section of the image and then save the image as a jpeg file and then reload the file, and then move the text around. It's the long way around the problem, but seems to work. I'll have it printed tomorrow to see how well it worked out.

You're making several mistakes.

1. Do not save as JPEG. Save as PSD. A PSD file has layers. Text on a layer can always be moved around with no difficulty.

2. if you care about quality, don't use JPEG. JPEG was invented for situations where file size on disk is critical and image quality is not important. JPEG files are degraded in quality in order to make the disk file smaller. Only use JPEG if it absolutely has to be JPEG, if image quality is not important, and if no other file format can work.

3. If you get the "layer is locked" message, you are trying to move the background layer. Open your Layers palette. Click on the text layer. Then use the Move tool to move the text.

all the above by tacit is right on
text makes a layered doc by default so save as psd or layered tiff you can move it before placing and after as well
amke sure to
click the text thumbnail to "set" the layer set then choose move tool when you are in move tool
untick the box that says auto select layer if that is making the problem

Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

I think I found the secret to moving new text around without all the errors, layers locked, missing backgrounds, ect. I found if I merge all the visible layers into one, the problems go away and the new text can be easily moved using the marquee tool to select the text, and then moved with the move tool.

I have a pretty good image now and will print it as a JPEG tomorrow at the local drug store. But the printers at WalMart, Target, and drug stores seem not to be the best, and the white background doesn't come out compltely white. It has sort of a blue tinge to it. I made some copies of the same image at Kinko's and the background color was completely white, much better than the drug store printers.

The resolution is 600 ppi, which I'm guessing is near the limit of the printers. Any idea what the maximum resolution is for the drug store and Kinko's printers? No sense in making an image the printer can't print.

-Bill

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On Jun 30, 4:13 pm, "KatWoman" wrote:

"tacit" wrote in message

In article
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Bill B wrote:

Well, I played with it for awhile and found the only way I could reliably replace the text characters was to type the text in a vacant white section of the image and then save the image as a jpeg file and then reload the file, and then move the text around. It's the long way around the problem, but seems to work. I'll have it printed tomorrow to see how well it worked out.

You're making several mistakes.

1. Do not save as JPEG. Save as PSD. A PSD file has layers. Text on a layer can always be moved around with no difficulty.

2. if you care about quality, don't use JPEG. JPEG was invented for situations where file size on disk is critical and image quality is not important. JPEG files are degraded in quality in order to make the disk file smaller. Only use JPEG if it absolutely has to be JPEG, if image quality is not important, and if no other file format can work.

3. If you get the "layer is locked" message, you are trying to move the background layer. Open your Layers palette. Click on the text layer. Then use the Move tool to move the text.

all the above by tacit is right on
text makes a layered doc by default so save as psd or layered tiff you can move it before placing and after as well
amke sure to
click the text thumbnail to "set" the layer set then choose move tool when you are in move tool
untick the box that says auto select layer if that is making the problem

Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

I think I found the secret to moving new text around without all the errors, layers locked, missing backgrounds, ect. I found if I merge all the visible layers into one, the problems go away and the new text can be easily moved using the marquee tool to select the text, and then moved with the move tool.

I have a pretty good image now and will print it as a JPEG tomorrow at the local drug store. But the printers at WalMart, Target, and drug stores seem not to be the best, and the white background doesn't come out compltely white. It has sort of a blue tinge to it. I made some copies of the same image at Kinko's and the background color was completely white, much better than the drug store printers.
The resolution is 600 ppi, which I'm guessing is near the limit of the printers. Any idea what the maximum resolution is for the drug store and Kinko's printers? No sense in making an image the printer can't print.

-Bill

In the case you describe resolution is not the issue,
it's the color balance
unless the machine is resampling into another color space or profile

to make sure your image file white is really white
click a white area in your image with the white dropper from curves

Walgreen's prints suck >>often look off color

a machine is reading your "negative"
it is not a custom print
it is like clicking auto for curves levels and color
often a manual adjustment is preferable

at Kinko's the operators often understand color mgmt better

so many years in photography and still having to tell people a 10 cent print is not going to look like a lab operator hand print with a human eyes overseeing it

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Bill B wrote:

I think I found the secret to moving new text around without all the errors, layers locked, missing backgrounds, ect. I found if I merge all the visible layers into one, the problems go away and the new text can be easily moved using the marquee tool to select the text, and then moved with the move tool.

No. Don't do this.

I think I understand why you had trouble before. Did you try to select the text with the marquee tool when it was in layers? Don't.

Just use the move tool with nothing selected. The text will move. Honest, try it.

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On Jul 2, 8:12 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
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Bill B wrote:

I think I found the secret to moving new text around without all the errors, layers locked, missing backgrounds, ect. I found if I merge all the visible layers into one, the problems go away and the new text can be easily moved using the marquee tool to select the text, and then moved with the move tool.

No. Don't do this.

I think I understand why you had trouble before. Did you try to select the text with the marquee tool when it was in layers? Don't.
Just use the move tool with nothing selected. The text will move. Honest, try it.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

No, the text won't move. If I select black as the foreground color and white as the background,(same as text) the text tool just moves a white space with no text. And if I select black for both foreground and background, the teat tool just moves a white space and leaves a black space behind. I've tried many combinations and concluded the layers must be merged to move things around. I'm using PS6 which is not the most recent version.

-Bill

On Jul 2, 8:12 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
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Bill B wrote:

I think I found the secret to moving new text around without all the errors, layers locked, missing backgrounds, ect. I found if I merge all the visible layers into one, the problems go away and the new text can be easily moved using the marquee tool to select the text, and then moved with the move tool.

No. Don't do this.

I think I understand why you had trouble before. Did you try to select the text with the marquee tool when it was in layers? Don't.
Just use the move tool with nothing selected. The text will move. Honest, try it.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

No, the text won't move. If I select black as the foreground color and white as the background,(same as text) the text tool just moves a white space with no text. And if I select black for both foreground and background, the teat tool just moves a white space and leaves a black space behind. I've tried many combinations and concluded the layers must be merged to move things around. I'm using PS6 which is not the most recent version.

-Bill

Bill B wrote:

On Jul 2, 8:12 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
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Bill B wrote:

I think I found the secret to moving new text around without all the errors, layers locked, missing backgrounds, ect. I found if I merge all the visible layers into one, the problems go away and the new text can be easily moved using the marquee tool to select the text, and then moved with the move tool.

No. Don't do this.

I think I understand why you had trouble before. Did you try to select the text with the marquee tool when it was in layers? Don't.
Just use the move tool with nothing selected. The text will move. Honest, try it.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

No, the text won't move. If I select black as the foreground color and white as the background,(same as text) the text tool just moves a white space with no text. And if I select black for both foreground and background, the teat tool just moves a white space and leaves a black space behind. I've tried many combinations and concluded the layers must be merged to move things around. I'm using PS6 which is not the most recent version.

-Bill

Unless your PS6 works differently than other Photoshop with LAYER option, else it won't work the way you describe above... matter fact, what you describe above isn't the right way (I am guessing and see below), and I dunno what kinda of other combinations you have tried, and matter fact it doesn't need any combination at all.

Just follwing these simple steps, and I assume Photoshop 6 already have Layer option (I think it started from v5 or v6 should have it). I don't often work with TEXT but I do believe some version works little differently from other, so I give the manual instead of auto (auto-creating newer layer).

1. Open a LAYER

2. Create whatever TEXT you want (make sure the background is tranparency)

3. After happy with the text, then just drag the WHOLE (text) layer and move it to wharever you wish. So there won't be Fore/Background or don't select anything (I think selecting is the one causing problem).

DO NOT

- select neither background nor foreground

- none selected so none will be moved to create an emptied space

DO

- Make sure the background set to transparent so it wil work even if you use the wrong command .

On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:57:30 -0700 (PDT), Bill B wrote:

I think I found the secret to moving new text around without all the errors, layers locked, missing backgrounds, ect. I found if I merge all the visible layers into one, the problems go away and the new text can be easily moved using the marquee tool to select the text, and then moved with the move tool.

You should have text on NEW layers, every time you insert new text. the way to MOVE the text is with the arrow pointer tool. Select the text layer to move with that tool selected. I don't think there's a limit on versions for this tool. It's a basic tool with all versions.
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Bill B found these unused words:

On Jul 2, 8:12 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
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Bill B wrote:

I think I found the secret to moving new text around without all the errors, layers locked, missing backgrounds, ect. I found if I merge all the visible layers into one, the problems go away and the new text can be easily moved using the marquee tool to select the text, and then moved with the move tool.

No. Don't do this.

I think I understand why you had trouble before. Did you try to select the text with the marquee tool when it was in layers? Don't.
Just use the move tool with nothing selected. The text will move. Honest, try it.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

No, the text won't move. If I select black as the foreground color and white as the background,(same as text) the text tool just moves a white space with no text. And if I select black for both foreground and background, the teat tool just moves a white space and leaves a black space behind. I've tried many combinations and concluded the layers must be merged to move things around. I'm using PS6 which is not the most recent version.

-Bill

You don't -=SELECT=- anything!
Hold CTRL, place pointer arrow on text and DRAG!
[I'm presuming that you know the text layer has to be active!]

On Jul 5, 8:08 am, Sir F. A. Rien wrote:

Bill B found these unused words:

On Jul 2, 8:12 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
,
Bill B wrote:

I think I found the secret to moving new text around without all the errors, layers locked, missing backgrounds, ect. I found if I merge all the visible layers into one, the problems go away and the new text can be easily moved using the marquee tool to select the text, and then moved with the move tool.

No. Don't do this.

I think I understand why you had trouble before. Did you try to select the text with the marquee tool when it was in layers? Don't.

Just use the move tool with nothing selected. The text will move. Honest, try it.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

No, the text won't move. If I select black as the foreground color and white as the background,(same as text) the text tool just moves a white space with no text. And if I select black for both foreground and background, the teat tool just moves a white space and leaves a black space behind. I've tried many combinations and concluded the layers must be merged to move things around. I'm using PS6 which is not the most recent version.

-Bill

You don't -=SELECT=- anything!
Hold CTRL, place pointer arrow on text and DRAG!
[I'm presuming that you know the text layer has to be active!]

Yes, that works, but the problem is the new text just moves on top of the old with the result being unreadable. Another problem is the text is in several different font sizes, so I need to move one letter at a time to replace the old. The only way I have found to do that is to merge the layers and then select the letter with the marquee tool, and then move it using the move tool to the correct position. Works pretty well and I don't think I'm losing any resolution. I really don't care how complicated the procedure is, other than I don't want to lose resolution.

-Bill

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

You don't -=SELECT=- anything!
Hold CTRL, place pointer arrow on text and DRAG!
[I'm presuming that you know the text layer has to be active!]

Yes, that works, but the problem is the new text just moves on top of the old with the result being unreadable. Another problem is the text is in several different font sizes, so I need to move one letter at a time to replace the old. The only way I have found to do that is to merge the layers and then select the letter with the marquee tool, and then move it using the move tool to the correct position. Works pretty well and I don't think I'm losing any resolution. I really don't care how complicated the procedure is, other than I don't want to lose resolution.

There should be NO other problem(s) unless you creating more problem to trouble yourself.

1. If you want to move ONE LETTER then create a layer with single LETTER

2. If you want to move the WHOLE PARAGRAPH at once then create a whole paragraph in one layer.

3. If you want to wiggle the whole LOVE LETTER then create one in single layer.

3, If you want to rotate then spin it to whatever degree you wish. Nothing can stop you unless you feel dizzy to continue.

So there should be NO MORE problem unless you want to create more.

"Joel" wrote in message

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

You don't -=SELECT=- anything!
Hold CTRL, place pointer arrow on text and DRAG!
[I'm presuming that you know the text layer has to be active!]

Yes, that works, but the problem is the new text just moves on top of the old with the result being unreadable. Another problem is the text is in several different font sizes, so I need to move one letter at a time to replace the old. The only way I have found to do that is to merge the layers and then select the letter with the marquee tool, and then move it using the move tool to the correct position. Works pretty well and I don't think I'm losing any resolution. I really don't care how complicated the procedure is, other than I don't want to lose resolution.

There should be NO other problem(s) unless you creating more problem to trouble yourself.

1. If you want to move ONE LETTER then create a layer with single LETTER
2. If you want to move the WHOLE PARAGRAPH at once then create a whole paragraph in one layer.

3. If you want to wiggle the whole LOVE LETTER then create one in single layer.

3, If you want to rotate then spin it to whatever degree you wish. Nothing
can stop you unless you feel dizzy to continue.

So there should be NO MORE problem unless you want to create more.

for the one and only time I find myself cheering Joel's comments...very frustrating, No??

There is no shortage of people who come in here to ask for help and just insist that they are right in their wrongness
and in face of several correct solutions

We, the unwilling,led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much,for so long,with so little,we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.
Mother Teresa

"KatWoman" wrote:

"Joel" wrote in message

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

You don't -=SELECT=- anything!
Hold CTRL, place pointer arrow on text and DRAG!
[I'm presuming that you know the text layer has to be active!]

Yes, that works, but the problem is the new text just moves on top of the old with the result being unreadable. Another problem is the text is in several different font sizes, so I need to move one letter at a time to replace the old. The only way I have found to do that is to merge the layers and then select the letter with the marquee tool, and then move it using the move tool to the correct position. Works pretty well and I don't think I'm losing any resolution. I really don't care how complicated the procedure is, other than I don't want to lose resolution.

There should be NO other problem(s) unless you creating more problem to trouble yourself.

1. If you want to move ONE LETTER then create a layer with single LETTER
2. If you want to move the WHOLE PARAGRAPH at once then create a whole paragraph in one layer.

3. If you want to wiggle the whole LOVE LETTER then create one in single layer.

3, If you want to rotate then spin it to whatever degree you wish. Nothing
can stop you unless you feel dizzy to continue.

So there should be NO MORE problem unless you want to create more.

for the one and only time I find myself cheering Joel's comments...very frustrating, No??

There is no shortage of people who come in here to ask for help and just insist that they are right in their wrongness
and in face of several correct solutions

We, the unwilling,led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much,for so long,with so little,we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.
Mother Teresa

Me? cheering or crying won't make much or any different to me <bg> I don't even have enough time and energy to do the right thing while so many others looking for an easier way to make thing more difficult.

It's way too many weird questions don't make much sence to me. Like

1. I want to know more about Photoshop but I don't have the time to learn

2. I want to learn all the quickest ways, but don't want to learn the basic

3. I want to know everything, but don't want to learn

4. I want the best but don't have the money

.. people just want to know everything but don't want to learn anything. People want the opinion but don't want to hear the true <bg>

On Jul 6, 8:25 am, Joel wrote:

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

You don't -=SELECT=- anything!
Hold CTRL, place pointer arrow on text and DRAG!
[I'm presuming that you know the text layer has to be active!]

Yes, that works, but the problem is the new text just moves on top of the old with the result being unreadable. Another problem is the text is in several different font sizes, so I need to move one letter at a time to replace the old. The only way I have found to do that is to merge the layers and then select the letter with the marquee tool, and then move it using the move tool to the correct position. Works pretty well and I don't think I'm losing any resolution. I really don't care how complicated the procedure is, other than I don't want to lose resolution.

There should be NO other problem(s) unless you creating more problem to trouble yourself.

1. If you want to move ONE LETTER then create a layer with single LETTER
2. If you want to move the WHOLE PARAGRAPH at once then create a whole paragraph in one layer.

3. If you want to wiggle the whole LOVE LETTER then create one in single layer.

3, If you want to rotate then spin it to whatever degree you wish. Nothing can stop you unless you feel dizzy to continue.

So there should be NO MORE problem unless you want to create more.

There are no more problems other than registration. I can move the text but the measured distance between the letters is not correct, because the rulers in PS are not correct. The printed image on drug store printers is at least 1/32 inch off, so I have to extrapolate the error and make percentage changes and hope the next copy comes out better. I'm on my 4th copy now.

-Bill

Bill B wrote:

On Jul 6, 8:25 am, Joel wrote:

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

You don't -=SELECT=- anything!
Hold CTRL, place pointer arrow on text and DRAG!
[I'm presuming that you know the text layer has to be active!]

Yes, that works, but the problem is the new text just moves on top of the old with the result being unreadable. Another problem is the text is in several different font sizes, so I need to move one letter at a time to replace the old. The only way I have found to do that is to merge the layers and then select the letter with the marquee tool, and then move it using the move tool to the correct position. Works pretty well and I don't think I'm losing any resolution. I really don't care how complicated the procedure is, other than I don't want to lose resolution.

There should be NO other problem(s) unless you creating more problem to trouble yourself.

1. If you want to move ONE LETTER then create a layer with single LETTER
2. If you want to move the WHOLE PARAGRAPH at once then create a whole paragraph in one layer.

3. If you want to wiggle the whole LOVE LETTER then create one in single layer.

3, If you want to rotate then spin it to whatever degree you wish. Nothing can stop you unless you feel dizzy to continue.

So there should be NO MORE problem unless you want to create more.

There are no more problems other than registration. I can move the text but the measured distance between the letters is not correct, because the rulers in PS are not correct. The printed image on drug store printers is at least 1/32 inch off, so I have to extrapolate the error and make percentage changes and hope the next copy comes out better. I'm on my 4th copy now.

-Bill

That's a completely different problem which requires a different technique, skill. If you think the rule in PS is not correct then use your own rule (your eyes). And we (I) may feed another technique when you really need it/them and stop blaming on Photoshop when you are the one who operate it.

Or if you think it's Photoshop's false then I don't think we can correct the bug.

"Joel" wrote in message

Bill B wrote:

On Jul 6, 8:25 am, Joel wrote:

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

You don't -=SELECT=- anything!
Hold CTRL, place pointer arrow on text and DRAG!
[I'm presuming that you know the text layer has to be active!]

Yes, that works, but the problem is the new text just moves on top of the old with the result being unreadable. Another problem is the text is in several different font sizes, so I need to move one letter at a time to replace the old. The only way I have found to do that is to merge the layers and then select the letter with the marquee tool, and
then move it using the move tool to the correct position. Works pretty
well and I don't think I'm losing any resolution. I really don't care how complicated the procedure is, other than I don't want to lose resolution.

There should be NO other problem(s) unless you creating more problem to
trouble yourself.

1. If you want to move ONE LETTER then create a layer with single LETTER

2. If you want to move the WHOLE PARAGRAPH at once then create a whole paragraph in one layer.

3. If you want to wiggle the whole LOVE LETTER then create one in single
layer.

3, If you want to rotate then spin it to whatever degree you wish. Nothing
can stop you unless you feel dizzy to continue.

So there should be NO MORE problem unless you want to create more.

There are no more problems other than registration. I can move the text but the measured distance between the letters is not correct, because the rulers in PS are not correct. The printed image on drug store printers is at least 1/32 inch off, so I have to extrapolate the error and make percentage changes and hope the next copy comes out better. I'm on my 4th copy now.

-Bill

That's a completely different problem which requires a different technique, skill. If you think the rule in PS is not correct then use your
own rule (your eyes). And we (I) may feed another technique when you really
need it/them and stop blaming on Photoshop when you are the one who operate
it.

Or if you think it's Photoshop's false then I don't think we can correct the bug.

measured distance between the letters

BILL have you tried KERNING THE LETTERS in the character palette??

all the leading and spacing options are there
highlight the ones that need changes and make the choices

In article
,
Bill B wrote:

I've tried many combinations and concluded the
layers must be merged to move things around. I'm using PS6 which is not the most recent version.

Your conclusion is wrong, but it is hard to tell from your description what is happening.

Please try this; I think it will help you understand how to use layers, and help us understand what you are doing wrong.

1. Create a new file.

2. Set the background to white and foreground to black.

3. Open the Layers palette.

4. Type a word with the Text tool.

5. Click the Move tool.

6. Tell us what happens. In particular, look at the Layers palette. Tell us the name of the hilighted layer.

--
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On Jul 8, 5:24 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
,
Bill B wrote:

I've tried many combinations and concluded the
layers must be merged to move things around. I'm using PS6 which is not the most recent version.

Your conclusion is wrong, but it is hard to tell from your description what is happening.

Please try this; I think it will help you understand how to use layers, and help us understand what you are doing wrong.

1. Create a new file.

2. Set the background to white and foreground to black.

3. Open the Layers palette.

4. Type a word with the Text tool.

5. Click the Move tool.

6. Tell us what happens. In particular, look at the Layers palette. Tell us the name of the hilighted layer.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

If I select "New Layer" and then type some text, the text cannot be moved with the move tool, and I get the error "Could not complete your request because the layer is locked."

Same old problem, just doesn't work for me.

-Bill

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT), Bill B
scribbled:

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance.

Uninstall Photoshop and switch to Paint, it's more your speed. Layers are the essence of Photoshop.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT), Bill B
wrote:

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance.

While I am sympathetic to the plight of the poster, I have to laugh at the above statement in a Photoshop newsgroup.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

Layer and Masking are few of the very important commands in Photoshop, so if you don't know then it's time to learn to know it/them

If I select "New Layer" and then type some text, the text cannot be moved with the move tool, and I get the error "Could not complete your request because the layer is locked."

Same old problem, just doesn't work for me.

I agree! because you haven't learned the very basic yet.

-Bill

Joel

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT), Bill B
wrote:

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance.

While I am sympathetic to the plight of the poster, I have to laugh at the above statement in a Photoshop newsgroup.

agreed
repeat:
There is no shortage of people who come in here to ask for help and just insist that they are right in their wrongness
and in face of several correct solutions

We, the unwilling,led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much,for so long,with so little,we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

On Jul 13, 8:54 am, Joel wrote:

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

Layer and Masking are few of the very important commands in Photoshop, so if you don't know then it's time to learn to know it/them

If I select "New Layer" and then type some text, the text cannot be moved with the move tool, and I get the error "Could not complete your request because the layer is locked."

Same old problem, just doesn't work for me.

I agree! because you haven't learned the very basic yet.

-Bill

Joel

Actually, I have learned the basics. The first advice I got awhile back suggested croping and copying the original image to a new one with resolution at 300 ppi. and then adding and moving new text. That worked well until I discovered the resolution was much better at 1200 ppi, but it was too late to start over because I already drilled a few holes where the image was to be mounted and the registration became the major problem because the rullers in PS don't work and I couldn't place the newer high resolution text in the right place. I had to extrapolate several times to get it right. Had I used 1200 ppi in the beginning, there wouldn't be a registration problem.

So, yes, I have learned the basics. Always start with more resolution than you need and scale it down from there.

-Bill

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:09:57 -0700 (PDT), Bill B wrote:

If I select "New Layer" and then type some text, the text cannot be moved with the move tool, and I get the error "Could not complete your request because the layer is locked."

Same old problem, just doesn't work for me.

I agree! because you haven't learned the very basic yet.

Actually, I have learned the basics. The first advice I got awhile back suggested croping and copying the original image to a new one with resolution at 300 ppi. and then adding and moving new text. That worked well until I discovered the resolution was much better at 1200 ppi, but it was too late to start over because I already drilled a few holes where the image was to be mounted and the registration became the major problem because the rullers in PS don't work and I couldn't place the newer high resolution text in the right place. I had to extrapolate several times to get it right. Had I used 1200 ppi in the beginning, there wouldn't be a registration problem.

So, yes, I have learned the basics. Always start with more resolution than you need and scale it down from there.

-Bill

that's a start, but I'm thinking the basics would be how to move text. Text winds up on it's own layer. An unlocked layer. To screw that up you'd have to physically hit the lock icon.
to move the text you switch from the text tool to the arrow pointer tool. Then move it anywhere you want.
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Bill B wrote:

On Jul 13, 8:54 am, Joel wrote:

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

Layer and Masking are few of the very important commands in Photoshop, so if you don't know then it's time to learn to know it/them

If I select "New Layer" and then type some text, the text cannot be moved with the move tool, and I get the error "Could not complete your request because the layer is locked."

Same old problem, just doesn't work for me.

I agree! because you haven't learned the very basic yet.

-Bill

Joel

Actually, I have learned the basics. The first advice I got awhile back suggested croping and copying the original image to a new one with resolution at 300 ppi. and then adding and moving new text. That worked well until I discovered the resolution was much better at 1200 ppi, but it was too late to start over because I already drilled a few holes where the image was to be mounted and the registration became the major problem because the rullers in PS don't work and I couldn't place the newer high resolution text in the right place. I had to extrapolate several times to get it right. Had I used 1200 ppi in the beginning, there wouldn't be a registration problem.

So, yes, I have learned the basics. Always start with more resolution than you need and scale it down from there.

-Bill

You might think you already have the basic covered, but just by reading your knowledge I can say you may need few more years. But first

1. Stop trying to find the shortcut which won't help the learning but probably hurting

2. Forget all the wrong ideas in your head which won't help the learning. Just like the 300-PPI and 1200-PPI which I have no idea where you got the idea

3. NO that ain't part of the basic, so start again.

a. Lay off the 1200-PPI and re-start your engine

b. Practicing and practicing and practicing using BRUSH command, and practicing hard for few months to get used to it and the idea. And it may take some year(s) to master the Brush command's.

c. After weeks/months with some command like BRUSH command which should give you the chance to explore more of Photoshop, then start learning LAYER. And because you are now pretty good with the Brush Command it may shorten the time to learn the basic of LAYER command to few weeks

d. After few weeks with LAYER command you may be able to learn few other related commands. Now go back to the Brush command which will help the Layer command ... then move to Masking etc..

*BUT* first, drop dead the wrong idea of 300-ppi & 1200-ppi and the similars cuz I don't think you understand the real information yet. Yes, I do agree that 1200-ppi has a higher number, which *might* and might *not* mean anything, and you ain't at the level to understand this yet.

On Jul 14, 6:31 am, Joel wrote:

Bill B wrote:

On Jul 13, 8:54 am, Joel wrote:

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

Layer and Masking are few of the very important commands in Photoshop, so if you don't know then it's time to learn to know it/them

If I select "New Layer" and then type some text, the text cannot be moved with the move tool, and I get the error "Could not complete your request because the layer is locked."

Same old problem, just doesn't work for me.

I agree! because you haven't learned the very basic yet.

-Bill

Joel

Actually, I have learned the basics. The first advice I got awhile back suggested croping and copying the original image to a new one with resolution at 300 ppi. and then adding and moving new text. That worked well until I discovered the resolution was much better at 1200 ppi, but it was too late to start over because I already drilled a few holes where the image was to be mounted and the registration became the major problem because the rullers in PS don't work and I couldn't place the newer high resolution text in the right place. I had to extrapolate several times to get it right. Had I used 1200 ppi in the beginning, there wouldn't be a registration problem.

So, yes, I have learned the basics. Always start with more resolution than you need and scale it down from there.

-Bill

You might think you already have the basic covered, but just by reading your knowledge I can say you may need few more years. But first
1. Stop trying to find the shortcut which won't help the learning but probably hurting

2. Forget all the wrong ideas in your head which won't help the learning. Just like the 300-PPI and 1200-PPI which I have no idea where you got the idea

3. NO that ain't part of the basic, so start again.

a. Lay off the 1200-PPI and re-start your engine

b. Practicing and practicing and practicing using BRUSH command, and practicing hard for few months to get used to it and the idea. And it may take some year(s) to master the Brush command's.

c. After weeks/months with some command like BRUSH command which should give you the chance to explore more of Photoshop, then start learning LAYER. And because you are now pretty good with the Brush Command it may shorten the time to learn the basic of LAYER command to few weeks
d. After few weeks with LAYER command you may be able to learn few other related commands. Now go back to the Brush command which will help the Layer command ... then move to Masking etc..

*BUT* first, drop dead the wrong idea of 300-ppi & 1200-ppi and the similars cuz I don't think you understand the real information yet. Yes, I do agree that 1200-ppi has a higher number, which *might* and might *not* mean anything, and you ain't at the level to understand this yet.

Well, I may not understand much, but I did manage to greatly improve the resolution using 1200 ppi. Using a magnifying glass, the text is much sharper with the 1200 ppi setting as compared to the 300 setting. It's quite usable now and very hard to see any imperfections. The final copy is now complete.

But just for general information, since you seem to be an expert, do you have any idea what the PPI limit is for the standard drug store printers, or the better printers at Kinko's Fed-Ex stores? No sense in making a print in higher resolution than the printer can print, wouldn't you agree?

What would you expect the maximum resolution to be on standard photo printers?

Thanks,

-Bill

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:07:48 -0700 (PDT), Bill B wrote:

What would you expect the maximum resolution to be on standard photo printers?

300 ppi. Fuji Frontier is the dominant mini-lab printer right now. Its resolution is 300 pixels per inch. There are some other machines that will do 400 ppi, including some of the Kodak, Noritsu, Agfa printers. --
Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com

Bill B wrote:

On Jul 8, 5:24 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
,
Bill B wrote:

I've tried many combinations and concluded the
layers must be merged to move things around. I'm using PS6 which is not the most recent version.

Your conclusion is wrong, but it is hard to tell from your description what is happening.

Please try this; I think it will help you understand how to use layers, and help us understand what you are doing wrong.

1. Create a new file.

2. Set the background to white and foreground to black.

3. Open the Layers palette.

4. Type a word with the Text tool.

5. Click the Move tool.

6. Tell us what happens. In particular, look at the Layers palette. Tell us the name of the hilighted layer.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

If I select "New Layer" and then type some text, the text cannot be moved with the move tool, and I get the error "Could not complete your request because the layer is locked."

Same old problem, just doesn't work for me.

-Bill

Go to the Windows pull down menu. Click a check mark next to Layers (or use F7). That will open a small window next to your image which will show all the layers and let you select the one you want to move.

-Raf

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Misifus-
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Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com

Bill B wrote:

<snip>

*BUT* first, drop dead the wrong idea of 300-ppi & 1200-ppi and the similars cuz I don't think you understand the real information yet. Yes, I do agree that 1200-ppi has a higher number, which *might* and might *not* mean anything, and you ain't at the level to understand this yet.

Well, I may not understand much, but I did manage to greatly improve the resolution using 1200 ppi. Using a magnifying glass, the text is much sharper with the 1200 ppi setting as compared to the 300 setting. It's quite usable now and very hard to see any imperfections. The final copy is now complete.

But just for general information, since you seem to be an expert, do you have any idea what the PPI limit is for the standard drug store printers, or the better printers at Kinko's Fed-Ex stores? No sense in making a print in higher resolution than the printer can print, wouldn't you agree?

What would you expect the maximum resolution to be on standard photo printers?

Thanks,

In general.

1. I use whatever the PPI of the original image may be. Or I have 12MP DSLR cameras, and I can print from 4x6" to 20x30" etc..

2. Most if not all printer should do fine with 300-PPI or even less.

3. Years ago before the term PPI gets more popular (to pretty much standard) we used to have the term "PDI" and "LPI" (Line Per Inch = for PRESS) and sometime they were talking about 600-LPI.

I never had any of my stuff pressed to know much about them, but sometime I set my photo to "LPI" instead of "PDI" (older Photoshop used "PDI").

So, you should do fine with 300-PPI, and better yet no need to change the "PPI". *Unless* you want to have a better/larger print of a low-rez image then you may try to enlarge it using "Percentage" instead of SIZE.

1. Select Increase Image

2. Then select "Percentage" and give 100-300% whatever you need or you think you need.

In article
,
Bill B wrote:

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

Ah, there's your problem.

OK, let's start from the very beginning.

The word "palette" means "little window that shows you things." Click on your Window menu. See how it has a whole bunch of options under it, like Actions, Brushes, Channels, and so on? Those are "palettes."

If you click the Window menu and choose the Actions command, a little window appears on your screen that lists actions. That is the Actions palette. If you click on the Window menu and choose the Layers command, a little window appears on your screen that shows you layers. That is the Layers palette.

A layer is like a clear sheet of glass that is on top of your picture. You can paint on the clear sheet of glass, then you cam move it all around without affecting what is below it.

If you put text in a layer, you can change it in any way. You can move it around. You can change the text. You can change the color fo the text. You can make the text bigger or smaller. All without messing up anything else in the picture.

Open the Layers palette. Create text. You will see a new layer in the Layers palette. That new layer has your text on it. You can move it all around to your heart's content. You can even turn it off to make the text disappear, and turn it back on again to make the text reappear, if you want to.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

On Jul 16, 6:09 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
,
Bill B wrote:

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

Ah, there's your problem.

OK, let's start from the very beginning.

The word "palette" means "little window that shows you things." Click on your Window menu. See how it has a whole bunch of options under it, like Actions, Brushes, Channels, and so on? Those are "palettes."
If you click the Window menu and choose the Actions command, a little window appears on your screen that lists actions. That is the Actions palette. If you click on the Window menu and choose the Layers command, a little window appears on your screen that shows you layers. That is the Layers palette.

A layer is like a clear sheet of glass that is on top of your picture. You can paint on the clear sheet of glass, then you cam move it all around without affecting what is below it.

If you put text in a layer, you can change it in any way. You can move it around. You can change the text. You can change the color fo the text. You can make the text bigger or smaller. All without messing up anything else in the picture.

Open the Layers palette. Create text. You will see a new layer in the Layers palette. That new layer has your text on it. You can move it all around to your heart's content. You can even turn it off to make the text disappear, and turn it back on again to make the text reappear, if you want to.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

Well, thanks for your help but it's far more complicated than I want to pursue. There is no such word as "Palette" anywhere in any of the drop down menus. It doesn't exist. There is a window drop down menu that has an option to "show layers" and there are some other options within that for history, path, channels, actions. The actions option is blank with no options available.

It is far too complicated for me, when I can simply merge all the layers together, and then move things around without all the problems.

Works very well.

-Bill

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:53:17 -0700 (PDT), Bill B
wrote:

On Jul 16, 6:09 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
,
Bill B wrote:

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

Ah, there's your problem.

OK, let's start from the very beginning.

The word "palette" means "little window that shows you things." Click on your Window menu. See how it has a whole bunch of options under it, like Actions, Brushes, Channels, and so on? Those are "palettes."
If you click the Window menu and choose the Actions command, a little window appears on your screen that lists actions. That is the Actions palette. If you click on the Window menu and choose the Layers command, a little window appears on your screen that shows you layers. That is the Layers palette.

A layer is like a clear sheet of glass that is on top of your picture. You can paint on the clear sheet of glass, then you cam move it all around without affecting what is below it.

If you put text in a layer, you can change it in any way. You can move it around. You can change the text. You can change the color fo the text. You can make the text bigger or smaller. All without messing up anything else in the picture.

Open the Layers palette. Create text. You will see a new layer in the Layers palette. That new layer has your text on it. You can move it all around to your heart's content. You can even turn it off to make the text disappear, and turn it back on again to make the text reappear, if you want to.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

Well, thanks for your help but it's far more complicated than I want to pursue. There is no such word as "Palette" anywhere in any of the drop down menus. It doesn't exist. There is a window drop down menu that has an option to "show layers" and there are some other options within that for history, path, channels, actions. The actions option is blank with no options available.

It is far too complicated for me, when I can simply merge all the layers together, and then move things around without all the problems.

Works very well.

It may be, it just may be, that a person told "The word 'palette' means 'little window that shows you things'." and sees only "a window drop down menu" is just a teensy bit over his head here.

Perhaps he should stop chewing gum while trying to operate Photoshop.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

In message , tacit
writes

In article
,
Bill B wrote:

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

Ah, there's your problem.

OK, let's start from the very beginning.

The word "palette" means "little window that shows you things." Click on your Window menu. See how it has a whole bunch of options under it, like Actions, Brushes, Channels, and so on? Those are "palettes."
If you click the Window menu and choose the Actions command, a little window appears on your screen that lists actions. That is the Actions palette. If you click on the Window menu and choose the Layers command, a little window appears on your screen that shows you layers. That is the Layers palette.

A layer is like a clear sheet of glass that is on top of your picture. You can paint on the clear sheet of glass, then you cam move it all around without affecting what is below it.

If you put text in a layer, you can change it in any way. You can move it around. You can change the text. You can change the color fo the text. You can make the text bigger or smaller. All without messing up anything else in the picture.

Open the Layers palette. Create text. You will see a new layer in the Layers palette. That new layer has your text on it. You can move it all around to your heart's content. You can even turn it off to make the text disappear, and turn it back on again to make the text reappear, if you want to.

Can I just say that that is one of the clearest simplest basic explanations I've seen here. (And many are excellent!)

Well done, tacit!

Mike
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Bill B wrote:

On Jul 16, 6:09 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
,
Bill B wrote:

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

Ah, there's your problem.

OK, let's start from the very beginning.

The word "palette" means "little window that shows you things." Click on your Window menu. See how it has a whole bunch of options under it, like Actions, Brushes, Channels, and so on? Those are "palettes."
If you click the Window menu and choose the Actions command, a little window appears on your screen that lists actions. That is the Actions palette. If you click on the Window menu and choose the Layers command, a little window appears on your screen that shows you layers. That is the Layers palette.

A layer is like a clear sheet of glass that is on top of your picture. You can paint on the clear sheet of glass, then you cam move it all around without affecting what is below it.

If you put text in a layer, you can change it in any way. You can move it around. You can change the text. You can change the color fo the text. You can make the text bigger or smaller. All without messing up anything else in the picture.

Open the Layers palette. Create text. You will see a new layer in the Layers palette. That new layer has your text on it. You can move it all around to your heart's content. You can even turn it off to make the text disappear, and turn it back on again to make the text reappear, if you want to.

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Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

Well, thanks for your help but it's far more complicated than I want to pursue. There is no such word as "Palette" anywhere in any of the drop down menus. It doesn't exist. There is a window drop down menu that has an option to "show layers" and there are some other options within that for history, path, channels, actions. The actions option is blank with no options available.

It is far too complicated for me, when I can simply merge all the layers together, and then move things around without all the problems.

Works very well.

You seem to have more problem than just having problem with Layer. Or even English isn't my native language I believe the OP doesn't advice you to search for the word "palette" *but* trying to explain to you what the meaning of "pallete"

The explanation is so clear that I was about to response to hi/her with the word "great job" *but* your probvlem that you don't follow the instruction but questing for the word "palette"

"Bill B" wrote in message

On Jul 16, 6:09 pm, tacit wrote:

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Bill B wrote:

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

Ah, there's your problem.

OK, let's start from the very beginning.

The word "palette" means "little window that shows you things." Click on your Window menu. See how it has a whole bunch of options under it, like Actions, Brushes, Channels, and so on? Those are "palettes."
If you click the Window menu and choose the Actions command, a little window appears on your screen that lists actions. That is the Actions palette. If you click on the Window menu and choose the Layers command, a little window appears on your screen that shows you layers. That is the Layers palette.

A layer is like a clear sheet of glass that is on top of your picture. You can paint on the clear sheet of glass, then you cam move it all around without affecting what is below it.

If you put text in a layer, you can change it in any way. You can move it around. You can change the text. You can change the color fo the text. You can make the text bigger or smaller. All without messing up anything else in the picture.

Open the Layers palette. Create text. You will see a new layer in the Layers palette. That new layer has your text on it. You can move it all around to your heart's content. You can even turn it off to make the text disappear, and turn it back on again to make the text reappear, if you want to.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all
athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

Well, thanks for your help but it's far more complicated than I want to pursue. There is no such word as "Palette" anywhere in any of the drop down menus. It doesn't exist. There is a window drop down menu that has an option to "show layers" and there are some other options within that for history, path, channels, actions. The actions option is blank with no options available.

It is far too complicated for me, when I can simply merge all the layers together, and then move things around without all the problems.

Works very well.

It is far too complicated for me

yes it is
NOW STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD before you hurt yourself

you just gott a love this guy>>> asks for help
gets several CORRECT ways to do his project and yet insists upon doing it HIS way anyway

-Bill

On Jul 17, 11:05 am, "KatWoman" wrote:

"Bill B" wrote in message

On Jul 16, 6:09 pm, tacit wrote:

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Bill B wrote:

My problem is I know nothing about layers, other than they are a nuisance. The tool bar at the top of the screen includes an option for "Layers" which includes "New Layer" , Duplicate layer, new filler layer, new adjustment layer, ect. and there are many options within each selection and I don't see anything refering to "Layers Palette", whatever that is.

Ah, there's your problem.

OK, let's start from the very beginning.

The word "palette" means "little window that shows you things." Click on your Window menu. See how it has a whole bunch of options under it, like Actions, Brushes, Channels, and so on? Those are "palettes."

If you click the Window menu and choose the Actions command, a little window appears on your screen that lists actions. That is the Actions palette. If you click on the Window menu and choose the Layers command, a little window appears on your screen that shows you layers. That is the Layers palette.

A layer is like a clear sheet of glass that is on top of your picture. You can paint on the clear sheet of glass, then you cam move it all around without affecting what is below it.

If you put text in a layer, you can change it in any way. You can move it around. You can change the text. You can change the color fo the text. You can make the text bigger or smaller. All without messing up anything else in the picture.

Open the Layers palette. Create text. You will see a new layer in the Layers palette. That new layer has your text on it. You can move it all around to your heart's content. You can even turn it off to make the text disappear, and turn it back on again to make the text reappear, if you want to.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all
athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

Well, thanks for your help but it's far more complicated than I want to pursue. There is no such word as "Palette" anywhere in any of the drop down menus. It doesn't exist. There is a window drop down menu that has an option to "show layers" and there are some other options within that for history, path, channels, actions. The actions option is blank with no options available.

It is far too complicated for me, when I can simply merge all the layers together, and then move things around without all the problems.

Works very well.

It is far too complicated for me

yes it is
NOW STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD before you hurt yourself
you just gott a love this guy>>> asks for help
gets several CORRECT ways to do his project and yet insists upon doing it HIS way anyway

-Bill

Thanks for your encouragment KatWoman. I did figure out some of the basic layers stuff and managed to type some text, which automatically created a new layer. I then found I could select the new layer from the window drop down menu and click on the new text layer, and then move the text to where I wanted it. But the problem is, the text I move just overlays the old text and doesn't replace it, so I get the combination of the old and new on top of each other which isn't readable. What I really need is a way to move the new text and white background to the new position and erase whatever was in the old position. Copy and paste seems to do that, or I can merge the layers and drag the new over the old.

Lots of ways to skin a cat, and I hate cats.

-Bill

Bill B wrote:

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Thanks for your encouragment KatWoman. I did figure out some of the basic layers stuff and managed to type some text, which automatically created a new layer. I then found I could select the new layer from the window drop down menu and click on the new text layer, and then move the text to where I wanted it. But the problem is, the text I move just overlays the old text and doesn't replace it, so I get the combination of the old and new on top of each other which isn't readable. What I really need is a way to move the new text and white background to the new position and erase whatever was in the old position. Copy and paste seems to do that, or I can merge the layers and drag the new over the old.

Lots of ways to skin a cat, and I hate cats.

What you need is the Transparent background. And as many users have told you.

- Layers are similar to stack of glasses on top of each other

- If you have the CLEARED glass (transprarent) then you can see the layer below, if you have painted glass then you can't see anything below

- Then if you MOVE the lower layer UP above then you will see the contain of that specific layer.

Since I have been using layer and mask so often that I have always set the background to transparent.

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Bill B wrote:

Well, thanks for your help but it's far more complicated than I want to pursue. There is no such word as "Palette" anywhere in any of the drop down menus. It doesn't exist. There is a window drop down menu that has an option to "show layers" and there are some other options within that for history, path, channels, actions. The actions option is blank with no options available.

The word "palette" just means "little window," that's all.

It sounds like you're scared of the effort it takes to learn new things. It is easier than it sounds, though. Just try following the steps I outlined before. A light bulb will click on and it will be simple, I promise.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

"tacit" wrote in message

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Bill B wrote:

Well, thanks for your help but it's far more complicated than I want to pursue. There is no such word as "Palette" anywhere in any of the drop down menus. It doesn't exist. There is a window drop down menu that has an option to "show layers" and there are some other options within that for history, path, channels, actions. The actions option is blank with no options available.

The word "palette" just means "little window," that's all.
It sounds like you're scared of the effort it takes to learn new things. It is easier than it sounds, though. Just try following the steps I outlined before. A light bulb will click on and it will be simple, I promise.

yah...do what he said... I am. lol

On Jul 18, 4:16 pm, tacit wrote:

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Bill B wrote:

Well, thanks for your help but it's far more complicated than I want to pursue. There is no such word as "Palette" anywhere in any of the drop down menus. It doesn't exist. There is a window drop down menu that has an option to "show layers" and there are some other options within that for history, path, channels, actions. The actions option is blank with no options available.

The word "palette" just means "little window," that's all.
It sounds like you're scared of the effort it takes to learn new things. It is easier than it sounds, though. Just try following the steps I outlined before. A light bulb will click on and it will be simple, I promise.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

No, I'm not scared of new things, just don't want to waste time on things I don't need to know. I get the idea of "Layers", but they don't have much use in the current project. Laying things on top of other things may have great advantages for some applications, but all I want to do is replace old text with new, and using layers doesn't have much advantage over copy and paste, or drag here from there, etc.

Thanks,

-Bill

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT), Bill B
scribbled:

No, I'm not scared of new things, just don't want to waste time on things I don't need to know. I get the idea of "Layers", but they don't have much use in the current project. Laying things on top of other things may have great advantages for some applications, but all I want to do is replace old text with new, and using layers doesn't have much advantage over copy and paste, or drag here from there, etc.

You sir, are a profound idiot.

You give new meaning to the word 'stupid'.

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT), Bill B
wrote:

On Jul 18, 4:16 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
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Bill B wrote:

Well, thanks for your help but it's far more complicated than I want to pursue. There is no such word as "Palette" anywhere in any of the drop down menus. It doesn't exist. There is a window drop down menu that has an option to "show layers" and there are some other options within that for history, path, channels, actions. The actions option is blank with no options available.

The word "palette" just means "little window," that's all.
It sounds like you're scared of the effort it takes to learn new things. It is easier than it sounds, though. Just try following the steps I outlined before. A light bulb will click on and it will be simple, I promise.

No, I'm not scared of new things, just don't want to waste time on things I don't need to know. I get the idea of "Layers", but they don't have much use in the current project. Laying things on top of other things may have great advantages for some applications, but all I want to do is replace old text with new, and using layers doesn't have much advantage over copy and paste, or drag here from there, etc.

Amazing. In a Photoshop newsgroup. Amazing.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Bill B wrote:

On Jul 18, 4:16 pm, tacit wrote:

In article
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Bill B wrote:

Well, thanks for your help but it's far more complicated than I want to pursue. There is no such word as "Palette" anywhere in any of the drop down menus. It doesn't exist. There is a window drop down menu that has an option to "show layers" and there are some other options within that for history, path, channels, actions. The actions option is blank with no options available.

The word "palette" just means "little window," that's all.
It sounds like you're scared of the effort it takes to learn new things. It is easier than it sounds, though. Just try following the steps I outlined before. A light bulb will click on and it will be simple, I promise.

--
Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

No, I'm not scared of new things, just don't want to waste time on things I don't need to know. I get the idea of "Layers", but they don't have much use in the current project. Laying things on top of

Then you have better figureout what you want to know first then ask later. And make sure to add a list of "what you do not want to know" so others won't have to waste their times trying to feed what you don't know to learn.

other things may have great advantages for some applications, but all I want to do is replace old text with new, and using layers doesn't have much advantage over copy and paste, or drag here from there, etc.

That is thing you really need to know, and you have the choice.

1. Go back to read what others already fed you.

2. Or may need to ask again, just tell them that's what you want to know. And you may get the same answer that you didn't want to learn

Thanks,

-Bill

On Jul 20, 9:18 pm, Voivod wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT), Bill B
scribbled:

No, I'm not scared of new things, just don't want to waste time on things I don't need to know. I get the idea of "Layers", but they don't have much use in the current project. Laying things on top of other things may have great advantages for some applications, but all I want to do is replace old text with new, and using layers doesn't have much advantage over copy and paste, or drag here from there, etc.

You sir, are a profound idiot.

You give new meaning to the word 'stupid'.

And you sir, have nothing interesting to say.

-Bill

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:45:15 -0700 (PDT), Bill B
scribbled:

On Jul 20, 9:18 pm, Voivod wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT), Bill B
scribbled:

No, I'm not scared of new things, just don't want to waste time on things I don't need to know. I get the idea of "Layers", but they don't have much use in the current project. Laying things on top of other things may have great advantages for some applications, but all I want to do is replace old text with new, and using layers doesn't have much advantage over copy and paste, or drag here from there, etc.

You sir, are a profound idiot.

You give new meaning to the word 'stupid'.

And you sir, have nothing interesting to say.

Dance for me, monkey, dance!