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When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:18:28 +1100, "Peter Jason" wrote:
When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
Yes
Dave
Dave wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:18:28 +1100, "Peter Jason" wrote:
When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
Yes
Dave
Another smart arse for the kill file
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:46:26 GMT, "Ragnar"
scribbled:Dave wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:18:28 +1100, "Peter Jason" wrote:When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
Yes
Dave
Another smart arse for the kill file
🙁
Logical answers get people kill filed? What a fucking loser world you live in. Kill file me now, please.
When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:18:28 +1100, "Peter Jason" wrote:
When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
I think the correct answer is … perhaps.
Why are you doing any of these things?
When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
In article <fojk49$itu$>,
"Peter Jason" wrote:
When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
No expert here, but for me, where a print is the final output, I would sharpen only after choosing Image Size.
HFL
When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
In article <fojk49$itu$>,
"Peter Jason" wrote:
When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
No expert here, but for me, where a print is the final output, I would sharpen only after choosing Image Size.
HFL
Voivod wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:46:26 GMT, "Ragnar"
scribbled:Dave wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:18:28 +1100, "Peter Jason" wrote:When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
Yes
Dave
Another smart arse for the kill file
🙁
Logical answers get people kill filed? What a fucking loser world you live in. Kill file me now, please.
Done 🙂
In article <fojk49$itu$>,
"Peter Jason" wrote:
When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
No expert here, but for me, where a print is the final output, I would sharpen only after choosing Image Size.
Me?
1. Could be "Color adjustment" or others first depending on my mood
2. Color adjustment
3. Crop
No sharpening.
I don’t do sharpening, but I don’t see if it will make any difference if you sharpen first/next/last (to Image Size).
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:00:12 -0600, Joel wrote:Me?
1. Could be "Color adjustment" or others first depending on my mood
2. Color adjustment
3. Crop
No sharpening.
That is what I like about you, Uncle Joel.
You are sharp..!.:-)
(depending on your mood of course:-)
I can recommend Scott Kelby’s new book – The 7-Point System for Photoshop CS3. He takes you through a consistent logical workflow with live examples. Very good.
"Dave" wrote in message
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:00:12 -0600, Joel wrote:Me?
1. Could be "Color adjustment" or others first depending on my mood
2. Color adjustment
3. Crop
No sharpening.
That is what I like about you, Uncle Joel.
You are sharp..!.:-)
(depending on your mood of course:-)
When adjusting photos, is the correctThat’s really an individual thing. I usually crop first, do a Levels Adjustment next, then what I do next depends on the picture. Sometimes I’ll do a Color Balance, other times I’ll do a Hue/Saturation. The last thing that I do is to apply the Unsharp Mask, but only if it’s needed. In most cases, sharpening isn’t needed.
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:18:28 +1100, "Peter
Jason" wrote:
When adjusting photos, is the correct
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
I think the correct answer is … perhaps.
Why are you doing any of these things?
In article ,
Joel wrote:
I don’t do sharpening, but I don’t see if it will make any difference if you sharpen first/next/last (to Image Size).
It does make a difference. Sharpening works by exaggerating areas of high contrast, which it does by darkening the dark side of an edge and lightening the light side of an edge. If you sharpen, then afterward resize, much of the effect of the sharpening is lost.
No expert here, but for me, where a print is the final output, I would sharpen only after choosing Image Size.============================================================ =
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:00:12 -0600, Joel wrote:Me?
1. Could be "Color adjustment" or others first depending on my mood
2. Color adjustment
3. Crop
No sharpening.
That is what I like about you, Uncle Joel.
You are sharp..!.:-)
(depending on your mood of course:-)
You have a Top Post Virus on your hard drive, twit.
You should use NOD32 or some or another virus killer
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:18:28 +1100, "Peter Jason" wrote:
When adjusting photos, is the correctThat’s really an individual thing. I usually crop first, do a Levels Adjustment next, then what I do next depends on the picture. Sometimes I’ll do a Color Balance, other times I’ll do a Hue/Saturation. The last thing that I do is to apply the Unsharp Mask, but only if it’s needed. In most cases, sharpening isn’t needed.
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
Again, it’s an individual preference…it’s what works for you.
Talker
tacit wrote:
In article ,
Joel wrote:
I don’t do sharpening, but I don’t see if it will make any difference if you sharpen first/next/last (to Image Size).
It does make a difference. Sharpening works by exaggerating areas of high contrast, which it does by darkening the dark side of an edge and lightening the light side of an edge. If you sharpen, then afterward resize, much of the effect of the sharpening is lost.
I think you misquoted my quote. And I dunno if I need to response to your message or not since you say thing I didn’t say. Below is what I repsonsed to.
==========================================================No expert here, but for me, where a print is the final output, I would sharpen only after choosing Image Size.============================================================ =
When adjusting photos, is the correct sequence:I NEVER CROP MY ORIGINAL
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
Talker wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:18:28 +1100, "Peter Jason" wrote:
When adjusting photos, is the correctThat’s really an individual thing. I usually crop first, do a Levels Adjustment next, then what I do next depends on the picture. Sometimes I’ll do a Color Balance, other times I’ll do a Hue/Saturation. The last thing that I do is to apply the Unsharp Mask, but only if it’s needed. In most cases, sharpening isn’t needed.
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
Again, it’s an individual preference…it’s what works for you.
Talker
Me? cropping is an advanced level of post processing, so the longer I have the chance to see the image the more idea may come to my mind.
Cropping is usually not my last step as I work mostly on portrait so I usually have to do few extra steps after cropping. But no way I will crop before other thing *except* if there is bunch of wacky background then I may temperary get rid of some, then do the final crop (if needed) later.
"Peter Jason" wrote in message
When adjusting photos, is the correct sequence:I NEVER CROP MY ORIGINAL
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
only copies
what if you need a print in a different proportion later?? for example 8×10 is diff shape than a 5×7
I retouch etc then save as a full frame PSD with all layers in tact in case I wish to edit later
then I crop and save as a TIFF flattened
then I make a smaller file for the web in jpg
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:08:26 -0600, Joel wrote:I think the caution about working on the original is that you *could* make a mistake and hit "save" instead of "save as".
Talker wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:18:28 +1100, "Peter Jason" wrote:
When adjusting photos, is the correctThat’s really an individual thing. I usually crop first, do a Levels Adjustment next, then what I do next depends on the picture. Sometimes I’ll do a Color Balance, other times I’ll do a Hue/Saturation. The last thing that I do is to apply the Unsharp Mask, but only if it’s needed. In most cases, sharpening isn’t needed.
sequence:
1: Crop
2: Colour adjustment:
3: Sharpening.
or some other seq.
Again, it’s an individual preference…it’s what works for you.
Talker
Me? cropping is an advanced level of post processing, so the longer I have the chance to see the image the more idea may come to my mind.
Cropping is usually not my last step as I work mostly on portrait so I usually have to do few extra steps after cropping. But no way I will crop before other thing *except* if there is bunch of wacky background then I may temperary get rid of some, then do the final crop (if needed) later.
I guess I should have commented that I usually work on scans of pictures, and I crop off the over scan…that is, the edges that aren’t part of the picture. Most of the pictures I work on are photos that others have taken, and they’ve given me to restore. If I had taken the picture with my digital camera, then I agree that you never crop the picture first. I should have been more specific when I posted the first comments.
One thing that I always see mentioned….everyone always makes it a point to say that you should never work on the original picture. Why? I always work on the original picture, then when I’m finished, I save it as an altered version of the original. That is, if the picture has a file name of Susan 01, I’ll save it as Susan 01a. What’s wrong with that? I still have the original picture…nothing was done to it, so why should you never work on the original? I never do a "Save", I always do a "Save As" in Photoshop, so what’s the harm?
In article ,
Joel wrote:
tacit wrote:
In article ,
Joel wrote:
I don’t do sharpening, but I don’t see if it will make any difference if you sharpen first/next/last (to Image Size).
It does make a difference. Sharpening works by exaggerating areas of high contrast, which it does by darkening the dark side of an edge and lightening the light side of an edge. If you sharpen, then afterward resize, much of the effect of the sharpening is lost.
I think you misquoted my quote. And I dunno if I need to response to your message or not since you say thing I didn’t say. Below is what I repsonsed to.
==========================================================No expert here, but for me, where a print is the final output, I would sharpen only after choosing Image Size.============================================================ =
Since I’m quoted here, I’ll jump back into this thread.
The rationale for my suggestion is based on my usual workflow. After the scan (35mm) is loaded into PS, I may typically have several adjustment layers (Levels, Curves) for tonal or color corrections and possibly other layers as well. In addition, I will have cropped out any overscan or areas that are to be excluded. The image is now ready for printing. I then choose the Image Size for the print, then sharpen as needed.
After the print is in hand, and before saving my changes I remove the resize and sharpen steps. (Or I may save the file before resizing and sharpening.) This way, should I wish to make further changes to the image in the future, they will be made on the original 16-bit image at full resolution. I will also be able to choose a different printing scheme (size, paper) and, perhaps, a different sharpening scheme.
Also, take note of tacit’s remark. The generally recommended procedure is to sharpen only after resizing (the last step in Bruce Fraser’s 3-step sharpening workflow.)
HFL
Me? cropping is an advanced level of post processing, so the longer I have the chance to see the image the more idea may come to my mind.
Cropping is usually not my last step as I work mostly on portrait so I usually have to do few extra steps after cropping. But no way I will crop before other thing *except* if there is bunch of wacky background then I may temperary get rid of some, then do the final crop (if needed) later.
I guess I should have commented that I usually work on scans of pictures, and I crop off the over scan…that is, the edges that aren’t part of the picture. Most of the pictures I work on are photos that others have taken, and they’ve given me to restore. If I had taken the picture with my digital camera, then I agree that you never crop the picture first. I should have been more specific when I posted the first comments.
One thing that I always see mentioned….everyone always makes it a point to say that you should never work on the original picture. Why? I always work on the original picture, then when I’m finished, I save it as an altered version of the original. That is, if the
picture has a file name of Susan 01, I’ll save it as Susan 01a. What’s wrong with that? I still have the original picture…nothing was done to it, so why should you never work on the original? I never do a "Save", I always do a "Save As" in Photoshop, so what’s the harm?
Harry Lockwood wrote:
In article ,
Joel wrote:
tacit wrote:
In article ,
Joel wrote:
I don’t do sharpening, but I don’t see if it will make any difference if
you sharpen first/next/last (to Image Size).
It does make a difference. Sharpening works by exaggerating areas of high contrast, which it does by darkening the dark side of an edge and lightening the light side of an edge. If you sharpen, then afterward resize, much of the effect of the sharpening is lost.
I think you misquoted my quote. And I dunno if I need to response to your
message or not since you say thing I didn’t say. Below is what I repsonsed to.
==========================================================No expert here, but for me, where a print is the final output, I would sharpen only after choosing Image Size.============================================================ =
Since I’m quoted here, I’ll jump back into this thread.
The rationale for my suggestion is based on my usual workflow. After the scan (35mm) is loaded into PS, I may typically have several adjustment layers (Levels, Curves) for tonal or color corrections and possibly other layers as well. In addition, I will have cropped out any overscan or areas that are to be excluded. The image is now ready for printing. I then choose the Image Size for the print, then sharpen as needed.
Overscan area is another story and it should be cropped either before processing or even before scanning. But that isn’t exactly what cropping is about.
After the print is in hand, and before saving my changes I remove the resize and sharpen steps. (Or I may save the file before resizing and sharpening.) This way, should I wish to make further changes to the image in the future, they will be made on the original 16-bit image at full resolution. I will also be able to choose a different printing scheme (size, paper) and, perhaps, a different sharpening scheme.
Me? I only crop *after* the original SAVED, and to me, cropping isn’t just to reduce the size but another level of post processing which including tilting and few extra process(es) to give the image a newer face.
Also, take note of tacit’s remark. The generally recommended procedure is to sharpen only after resizing (the last step in Bruce Fraser’s 3-step sharpening workflow.)
I don’ t know what Bruce Fraser is or was, but I know who Joel is and I go with Joel’s technique <bg>
HFL
Overscan area is another story and it should be cropped either before processing or even before scanning. But that isn’t exactly what cropping is about.
Crop the scan before scanning? Probably a miscommunication here. But, I agree there’s more to cropping (see below.)
After the print is in hand, and before saving my changes I remove the resize and sharpen steps. (Or I may save the file before resizing and sharpening.) This way, should I wish to make further changes to the image in the future, they will be made on the original 16-bit image at full resolution. I will also be able to choose a different printing scheme (size, paper) and, perhaps, a different sharpening scheme.
Me? I only crop *after* the original SAVED, and to me, cropping isn’t just to reduce the size but another level of post processing which including tilting and few extra process(es) to give the image a newer face.
Yes, I agree. In my attempt at brevity, I left out perspective correction. I also, frequently, but not always, save and archive the raw scan.
Also, take note of tacit’s remark. The generally recommended procedure is to sharpen only after resizing (the last step in Bruce Fraser’s 3-step sharpening workflow.)
I don’ t know what Bruce Fraser is or was, but I know who Joel is and I go with Joel’s technique <bg>
HFL
Might be worth googling Bruce Fraser.
Thanks for the input.
HFL
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