W98SE/Pagemaker - Linking vs. Pasting Graphic Files

Cain't somebidy hep this pore man!?

I'm having one heck of a time getting high resolution PDF's with linked TIF files. When I place a TIF file (File > Place), and then convert to PDF, the result is very low resolution. This happens whether the entire file is embedded or just linked.

On the other hand, when I copy the same file from a paint program (Edit > Copy), then paste it (Edit > Paste) and then make a PDF file, the resulting PDF is the same high resolution as the original file.

I know there must be a basic setting somewhere that I am missing, but (and this is a big butt) I sure can't fine it. I'm using Windows 98SE.

Thanks.

Fred

PS -- I should've added..... I also tried this with EPS files and no better result.

"Fred" wrote in message

Cain't somebidy hep this pore man!?

I'm having one heck of a time getting high resolution PDF's with linked

TIF

files. When I place a TIF file (File > Place), and then convert to PDF, the result is very low resolution. This happens whether the entire file

is

embedded or just linked.

On the other hand, when I copy the same file from a paint program (Edit > Copy), then paste it (Edit > Paste) and then make a PDF file, the

resulting

PDF is the same high resolution as the original file.

I know there must be a basic setting somewhere that I am missing, but (and this is a big butt) I sure can't fine it. I'm using Windows 98SE.
Thanks.

Fred

Fred wrote:

PS -- I should've added..... I also tried this with EPS files and no better result.

"Fred" wrote in message

Cain't somebidy hep this pore man!?

I'm having one heck of a time getting high resolution PDF's with linked

TIF

files. When I place a TIF file (File > Place), and then convert to PDF, the result is very low resolution. This happens whether the entire file

is

embedded or just linked.

On the other hand, when I copy the same file from a paint program (Edit > Copy), then paste it (Edit > Paste) and then make a PDF file, the

resulting

PDF is the same high resolution as the original file.

I know there must be a basic setting somewhere that I am missing, but (and this is a big butt) I sure can't fine it. I'm using Windows 98SE.
Thanks.

Fred

Fred,

It sounds like the problem is when you convert to PDF. Check your Distiller Job Options settings, especially the Compression tab.

Also, you don't say which of the several possible paths you are using to make the PDF, nor do you mention what version of PageMaker or what version of Distiller you are using.

To help isolate the problem, try this:

Use the Print dialog (rather than the wizard). Select Acrobat Distiller as your printer, and ensure that the Adobe Distiller PPD is selected. Print that way and see if you still have the problem.

And in the Pagemaker Print options menu, make sure the setting for 'TIF images' is set to 'Normal' not the default 'Optimised' which just sends the low-rez preview. What is the resolution of the TIF files you are using?

"Fred" ...

Cain't somebidy hep this pore man!?

I'm having one heck of a time getting high resolution PDF's with linked TIF files. When I place a TIF file (File > Place), and then convert to PDF, the result is very low resolution. This happens whether the entire file is embedded or just linked.

On the other hand, when I copy the same file from a paint program (Edit > Copy), then paste it (Edit > Paste) and then make a PDF file, the resulting PDF is the same high resolution as the original file.

I know there must be a basic setting somewhere that I am missing, but (and this is a big butt) I sure can't fine it. I'm using Windows 98SE.
Thanks.

Fred

Thanks. I checked the compression tab and everything looks fine. I am creating a PS file, then using Distiller to make a PDF files.

Maybe this new info will help isolate the problem...

Under File > Document Setup, the target resolution is set to 600 dpi, which is the minimum I need for offset printing. When I place a TIF file (460 x 460), the size of the image on the page is roughly 1.5 x 1.5 inches. Then if I go to Paint Shop and copy the TIF file, the pasted image is roughly 5 x 5 inches.

I was thinking that the image as placed on the page was just for location and not the high res image. Looks like when the PS is made, it is using the "for position" image and not the original file. Is this possible?

"Dick Margulis" wrote in message

Fred wrote:

PS -- I should've added..... I also tried this with EPS files and no

better

result.

"Fred" wrote in message

Cain't somebidy hep this pore man!?

I'm having one heck of a time getting high resolution PDF's with linked

TIF

files. When I place a TIF file (File > Place), and then convert to

PDF,

the result is very low resolution. This happens whether the entire file

is

embedded or just linked.

On the other hand, when I copy the same file from a paint program (Edit

Copy), then paste it (Edit > Paste) and then make a PDF file, the

resulting

PDF is the same high resolution as the original file.

I know there must be a basic setting somewhere that I am missing, but

(and

this is a big butt) I sure can't fine it. I'm using Windows 98SE.
Thanks.

Fred

Fred,

It sounds like the problem is when you convert to PDF. Check your Distiller Job Options settings, especially the Compression tab.
Also, you don't say which of the several possible paths you are using to make the PDF, nor do you mention what version of PageMaker or what version of Distiller you are using.

To help isolate the problem, try this:

Use the Print dialog (rather than the wizard). Select Acrobat Distiller as your printer, and ensure that the Adobe Distiller PPD is selected. Print that way and see if you still have the problem.

LYN, YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!! That is exactly what the problem was. Pretty basic, eh... but (and this is a big butt) I always though "optimized" was better than "normal".

And, it gives me great pleasure to bestow upon you, as your well deserved reward, this here...

http://www.geocities.com/lexmark8792/pagemkr.html

I am forever indebted to you - up to $2.95 max.

Fred

"Lyn Eggleston" wrote in message

And in the Pagemaker Print options menu, make sure the setting for 'TIF images' is set to 'Normal' not the default 'Optimised' which just sends the low-rez preview. What is the resolution of the TIF files you are using?

"Fred" wrote in message

news:<MJ%fd.4431$>...

Cain't somebidy hep this pore man!?

I'm having one heck of a time getting high resolution PDF's with linked

TIF

files. When I place a TIF file (File > Place), and then convert to

PDF,

the result is very low resolution. This happens whether the entire file

is

embedded or just linked.

On the other hand, when I copy the same file from a paint program (Edit

Copy), then paste it (Edit > Paste) and then make a PDF file, the

resulting

PDF is the same high resolution as the original file.

I know there must be a basic setting somewhere that I am missing, but

(and

this is a big butt) I sure can't fine it. I'm using Windows 98SE.
Thanks.

Fred

In article <kyugd.43$>,
"Fred" wrote:

Thanks. I checked the compression tab and everything looks fine. I am creating a PS file, then using Distiller to make a PDF files.
Maybe this new info will help isolate the problem...

Under File > Document Setup, the target resolution is set to 600 dpi, which is the minimum I need for offset printing. When I place a TIF file (460 x 460), the size of the image on the page is roughly 1.5 x 1.5 inches. Then if I go to Paint Shop and copy the TIF file, the pasted image is roughly 5 x 5 inches.

I was thinking that the image as placed on the page was just for location and not the high res image. Looks like when the PS is made, it is using the "for position" image and not the original file. Is this possible?

Read the Pagemaker documentation, particularly the chapter on the Print dialog box, VERY carefully.

In the Print dialog box, on the right hand side, is a button labeled "options". Hit that button. The print dialog changes. At the top is a drop-down menu for "send image data". The choice you have selected is "optimized subsampling."

Pull that menu down and choose "normal".

In article <l7vgd.32$>,
"Fred" wrote:

LYN, YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!! That is exactly what the problem was. Pretty basic, eh... but (and this is a big butt) I always though "optimized" was better than "normal".

As I said, read carefully the chapter on the print dialog box.

Pagemaker has many, many high end controls. If you don't know what they do, you're likely to crash and burn as you use Pagemaker.

Thanks Elmo!!! That was it!

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message

In article <kyugd.43$>,
"Fred" wrote:

Thanks. I checked the compression tab and everything looks fine. I am creating a PS file, then using Distiller to make a PDF files.
Maybe this new info will help isolate the problem...

Under File > Document Setup, the target resolution is set to 600 dpi,

which

is the minimum I need for offset printing. When I place a TIF file (460

x

460), the size of the image on the page is roughly 1.5 x 1.5 inches.

Then if

I go to Paint Shop and copy the TIF file, the pasted image is roughly 5

x 5

inches.

I was thinking that the image as placed on the page was just for

location

and not the high res image. Looks like when the PS is made, it is using

the

"for position" image and not the original file. Is this possible?

Read the Pagemaker documentation, particularly the chapter on the Print dialog box, VERY carefully.

In the Print dialog box, on the right hand side, is a button labeled "options". Hit that button. The print dialog changes. At the top is a drop-down menu for "send image data". The choice you have selected is "optimized subsampling."

Pull that menu down and choose "normal".

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:30:57 GMT, "Fred"
wrote:

:LYN, YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!! That is exactly what the problem was. Pretty :basic, eh... but (and this is a big butt) I always though "optimized" was :better than "normal".
:
:And, it gives me great pleasure to bestow upon you, as your well deserved :reward, this here...
:
:http://www.geocities.com/lexmark8792/pagemkr.html
:
:I am forever indebted to you - up to $2.95 max.
:
:Fred

Yes, Fred, I too mistakenly assumed that Optimezed was better than Normal. Who would have thunk it?

Can I ask what version of Pagemaker you are using?

Dan

:"Lyn Eggleston" wrote in message
: :> And in the Pagemaker Print options menu, make sure the setting for :> 'TIF images' is set to 'Normal' not the default 'Optimised' which just :> sends the low-rez preview. What is the resolution of the TIF files you :> are using?
:>
:> "Fred" wrote in message
:news:<MJ%fd.4431$>...
:> > Cain't somebidy hep this pore man!?
:> >
:> > I'm having one heck of a time getting high resolution PDF's with linked :TIF
:> > files. When I place a TIF file (File > Place), and then convert to :PDF,
:> > the result is very low resolution. This happens whether the entire file :is
:> > embedded or just linked.
:> >
:> > On the other hand, when I copy the same file from a paint program (Edit :>
:> > Copy), then paste it (Edit > Paste) and then make a PDF file, the :resulting
:> > PDF is the same high resolution as the original file. :> >
:> > I know there must be a basic setting somewhere that I am missing, but :(and
:> > this is a big butt) I sure can't fine it. I'm using Windows 98SE. :> >
:> > Thanks.
:> >
:> > Fred
:

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:54:17 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:

:In article <l7vgd.32$>,
: "Fred" wrote:
:
:> LYN, YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!! That is exactly what the problem was. Pretty :> basic, eh... but (and this is a big butt) I always though "optimized" was :> better than "normal".
:
:As I said, read carefully the chapter on the print dialog box. :
:Pagemaker has many, many high end controls. If you don't know what they :do, you're likely to crash and burn as you use Pagemaker.

Did Adobe do anything to improve/change things or is this all inherited from Aldus?

Dan_Musicant wrote:

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:54:17 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:

:In article <l7vgd.32$>,
: "Fred" wrote:
:
:> LYN, YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!! That is exactly what the problem was. Pretty :> basic, eh... but (and this is a big butt) I always though "optimized" was :> better than "normal".
:
:As I said, read carefully the chapter on the print dialog box. :
:Pagemaker has many, many high end controls. If you don't know what they :do, you're likely to crash and burn as you use Pagemaker.
Did Adobe do anything to improve/change things or is this all inherited from Aldus?

All inherited from Aldus, and why would it need to be improved?

Remember, PageMaker was designed for the purpose of preparing pages for offset printing. The desktop printing equipment available at the time was satisfactory for proofing and for preparing camera copy for things like weekly shopper ads, house newsletters, etc.; but for anything serious, especially color work, PM let you design on the desktop for high-end filmsetters.

The fact that you don't need all those fancy controls in order to send a PDF to your inkjet printer is no reason to eliminate them in the name of simplifying the user interface. They provide real value for the professional who still uses them.

I'm using 7.0. Last download I think made it 7.01 or 7.10 or something like that. Not on this computer though.

By the way, when I loaded it on a new laptop with XP, it works fine except when I make the PDF file. Then the text comes up as though it were in code. Before I find the fonts on the Win98 machine and copy them over, I'd like to ask if anyone thinks that would do the trick?

(I am using only very basic fonts - arial, times new roman... that's all - now fancy stuff.).

"Dan_Musicant" wrote in message

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:30:57 GMT, "Fred"
wrote:

:LYN, YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!! That is exactly what the problem was. Pretty :basic, eh... but (and this is a big butt) I always though "optimized" was :better than "normal".
:
:And, it gives me great pleasure to bestow upon you, as your well deserved :reward, this here...
:
:http://www.geocities.com/lexmark8792/pagemkr.html
:
:I am forever indebted to you - up to $2.95 max.
:
:Fred

Yes, Fred, I too mistakenly assumed that Optimezed was better than Normal. Who would have thunk it?

Can I ask what version of Pagemaker you are using?

Dan

:"Lyn Eggleston" wrote in message
: :> And in the Pagemaker Print options menu, make sure the setting for :> 'TIF images' is set to 'Normal' not the default 'Optimised' which just :> sends the low-rez preview. What is the resolution of the TIF files you :> are using?
:>
:> "Fred" wrote in message
:news:<MJ%fd.4431$>...
:> > Cain't somebidy hep this pore man!?
:> >
:> > I'm having one heck of a time getting high resolution PDF's with

linked

:TIF
:> > files. When I place a TIF file (File > Place), and then convert to :PDF,
:> > the result is very low resolution. This happens whether the entire

file

:is
:> > embedded or just linked.
:> >
:> > On the other hand, when I copy the same file from a paint program

(Edit

:>
:> > Copy), then paste it (Edit > Paste) and then make a PDF file, the :resulting
:> > PDF is the same high resolution as the original file. :> >
:> > I know there must be a basic setting somewhere that I am missing, but :(and
:> > this is a big butt) I sure can't fine it. I'm using Windows 98SE. :> >
:> > Thanks.
:> >
:> > Fred
: