How to open up the second page of a tiff file?

I didn't know a tiff file can have two images inside. How is that done? Can a tiff file have more than two images inside?

I know the file has two images because I used Acdsee to view it. Acdsee has a "Next Page" button allow me to see the second image. I want to modify the file a bit so I open the file in Photoshop. But I only see the first image. How can I get to the second image?

WEIRD!!!!
"Ace" wrote in message

I didn't know a tiff file can have two images inside. How is that done? Can a tiff file have more than two images inside?

I know the file has two images because I used Acdsee to view it. Acdsee has a "Next Page" button allow me to see the second image. I want to modify the file a bit so I open the file in Photoshop. But I only see the first image. How can I get to the second image?

Could it be that the TIFF was saved with multiple layers and you're accessing a new layer?

Corey :-)

"Ace" wrote in message

I didn't know a tiff file can have two images inside. How is that done? Can a tiff file have more than two images inside?

I know the file has two images because I used Acdsee to view it. Acdsee has a "Next Page" button allow me to see the second image. I want to modify the file a bit so I open the file in Photoshop. But I only see the first image. How can I get to the second image?

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 05:25:20 -0700, "Peadge"
wrote:

Could it be that the TIFF was saved with multiple layers and you're accessing a new layer?

Corey :-)

I have a tiff uploaded. You can check it out. It's a fax. if you don't see the second page, try Acdsee. Click the "Next Page" button. The default fax viewer on Win XP does the trick too.

http://www.geocities.com/web378/image002.tif

Now how can I get to and modify the second page?

I was able to open the image in IrfanView.

IrfanView's 'Information' function says that the "image" is saved in

Group 3 Fax Encoding - 2 pages

format. This is a (somewhat) obscure format for those of us in the graphics 'field," and is (also somewhat) obsolescent
[I think the 'current' FAX file format is CCITT Group 4).
The image might be from on "older" FAX machine.

Correspondingly, PhotoShop is not set up to "deal" with this file format. PS will show only the top layer ... and
PhotoShop Elements 2 doesn't even admit to the existence of the second page/layer. The GIMP however, does show both
"pages" as Layers, and can navigate between them using the Layer Dialog.

Here's how you can deal with it:

First Method:
(1) Open the image with a graphics file viewer that can view both "pages" ... such as IrfanView or ACDCee you originally used;

(2) Copy each 'page' (layer) to the clipboard;

(3) Start (or switch to) PhotoShop;

(4) Use the Menu/File/New File from Clipboard function to make and then save a new image file for each page;

(5) Edit away.

Second Method (applies only if you have 'The GIMP'
installed)

(1) Open the image with The GIMP;

(2) Navigate to the 'Layer' you wish to modify;

(3) Edit away.

I did *not* however test to see if 'The GIMP' would resave the modified file in the Group 3 Fax Encoding format. Unless you have an overriding reason to do so, I would suggest
saving the modified file as two separate TIFF files.

"Ace" wrote in message

I didn't know a tiff file can have two images inside. How

is that done?

Can a tiff file have more than two images inside?

I know the file has two images because I used Acdsee to

view it. Acdsee

has a "Next Page" button allow me to see the second image.

I want to

modify the file a bit so I open the file in Photoshop.

But I only see

the first image. How can I get to the second image?

Weird! I've never seen anything like that before. I suppose you could screen print page 2, open Photoshop, go to File >New and paste. Then do your editing. But none of the text will be editable. Zooming in before screen printing might be a good idea for image clarity. Then resize in Photoshop. All text would have to be hand-entered.

Very strange...

Corey :-\

"Ace" wrote in message

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 05:25:20 -0700, "Peadge"
wrote:

Could it be that the TIFF was saved with multiple layers and you're accessing a new layer?

Corey :-)

I have a tiff uploaded. You can check it out. It's a fax. if you don't see the second page, try Acdsee. Click the "Next Page" button. The default fax viewer on Win XP does the trick too.

http://www.geocities.com/web378/image002.tif

Now how can I get to and modify the second page?

Did the TIFF come from a digital camera? Some digital cameras embed a JPEG inside the TIFF, especially since some cameras use TIFF as their RAW format (Canon EOS-1Ds for example).

"Peadge" wrote in message

Could it be that the TIFF was saved with multiple layers and you're accessing a new layer?

Corey :-)

"Ace" wrote in message

I didn't know a tiff file can have two images inside. How is that done? Can a tiff file have more than two images inside?

I know the file has two images because I used Acdsee to view it. Acdsee has a "Next Page" button allow me to see the second image. I want to modify the file a bit so I open the file in Photoshop. But I only see the first image. How can I get to the second image?

Fax software will open it as well. Microsoft Fax console will view it as well. Photoshop wasn't designed to work with THAT kind of TIF. When you send or recieve a fax from a PC most fax software, the file type created is TIF. Regardless if you scanned and then faxed or faxed straight from an app such as Microsoft Word.

I have some multi-page faxes as well. Paint Shop Pro 8 opened both pages no problem.

Tim
"Peadge" wrote in message

Weird! I've never seen anything like that before. I suppose you could screen print page 2, open Photoshop, go to File >New and paste. Then do your
editing. But none of the text will be editable. Zooming in before screen printing might be a good idea for image clarity. Then resize in Photoshop. All text would have to be hand-entered.

Very strange...

Corey :-\

"Ace" wrote in message

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 05:25:20 -0700, "Peadge"
wrote:

Could it be that the TIFF was saved with multiple layers and you're accessing a new layer?

Corey :-)

I have a tiff uploaded. You can check it out. It's a fax. if you don't see the second page, try Acdsee. Click the "Next Page" button. The default fax viewer on Win XP does the trick too.

http://www.geocities.com/web378/image002.tif

Now how can I get to and modify the second page?