The absolute best LCD?

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ray

Samsung or viewsonic, or if you are rich, an apple/Mac monitor!! kk

"Lunaray" wrote in message

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ray

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:42:48 -0700, "Lunaray" wrote:

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ray

Ray, do include ACER in your alternatives.
And don't overlook its 'on site' guarantee.

Dave

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I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ray

Eizo CG series

Eizo CG series

Whew, 'guess I asked for it didn't I? I have a nice tax refund coming, but not that nice, and $1500 is way beyond my budget!

But thanks! :-)

Ray

www.kevinkienlein.com wrote:

Samsung or viewsonic, or if you are rich, an apple/Mac monitor!! kk

which are made by samsung!

Lunaray wrote:

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ray

Look at the 23" Samsung wide screen. if not

Just get a 19", wide screens are not value for money. Check the pixel count on each of the screens and see what size they are.

Look at the 23" Samsung wide screen. if not

Just get a 19", wide screens are not value for money. Check the pixel count on each of the screens and see what size they are.

If I can not resize a square photo into A4 or A2
what does a wide screen monitor do with it?
Serious question.

Dave

Rob wrote:

www.kevinkienlein.com wrote:

Samsung or viewsonic, or if you are rich, an apple/Mac monitor!! kk

which are made by samsung!

To Apple specification.

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Lunaray wrote:

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ray

30" Apple Cinema Display. They are gorgeous. They do smaller ones too.

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"Lunaray" wrote:

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ray

I don't think I can help with "The Best" but if you looking for "The Most Expensive" then I may be able to find you few. And be aware that it could cost you somewhere around $2000-4000 a pop.

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:24:28 +0100, SpaceGirl
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Lunaray wrote:

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ray

30" Apple Cinema Display. They are gorgeous. They do smaller ones too.

Spacegirl, please explain how on earth you can write a letter with only one sentence and a 20 line signature counting the spaces as well. Is this a way to spam? Well, some of your links are useless, so it is not even possible to make sure whether this is spam.

Dave

Before you buy a large wide screen panel, and the widescreen is very useful for Photoshop, make sure your video card can support the native resolution and refresh rate of the panel and that both have digital connections rather than VGA.
If you are coming from a CRT and have a good color managed workflow get ready for a new world of pain as most LCD panels, in my experience, cannot be used with simple calibration (e.g. Spyder II) in the manner of a CRT. Even after calibrating there will often be a very serious mismatch between the brightness, contrast (and possible gamma) of the monitor image and the final print as LCDs are far brighter than CRTS, the latter more closely matching the reflective characteristics of prints.
However by fine tuning brightness and contrast of the LCD, to what may seem a bit dim, reasonable color management can be obtained.

Well you did ask for the absolute best!

Malcolm
"Lunaray" wrote in message

Eizo CG series

Whew, 'guess I asked for it didn't I? I have a nice tax refund coming, but not that nice, and $1500 is way beyond my budget!

But thanks! :-)

Ray

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:42:48 -0700, "Lunaray" wrote:

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ray

As usual everybody has the best and no one has mentioned the La Cie - tut tut. Borge in sunny Perth, Australia

Dave wrote:

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:24:28 +0100, SpaceGirl
wrote:

Lunaray wrote:

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ray

30" Apple Cinema Display. They are gorgeous. They do smaller ones too.

Spacegirl, please explain how on earth you can write a letter with only one sentence and a 20 line signature counting the spaces as well.

1) It's not a letter, it's a news post.
2) My news client... sucks!!! Can someone recommend a good client for OSX?

Is this a way to spam? Well, some of your links are useless, so it is not even possible to make sure whether this is spam.

Not spam, I never look for work in here. Our sites are supposedly undergoing re-release. I'll trip my sig until I can figure out how to make it work right.

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SpaceGirl wrote:

Rob wrote:

www.kevinkienlein.com wrote:

Samsung or viewsonic, or if you are rich, an apple/Mac monitor!! kk

which are made by samsung!

To Apple specification.

Is that the badge? or are there other differences?

Dave wrote:

Look at the 23" Samsung wide screen. if not

Just get a 19", wide screens are not value for money. Check the pixel count on each of the screens and see what size they are.

If I can not resize a square photo into A4 or A2
what does a wide screen monitor do with it?
Serious question.

Dave

Do the same as others with 21" CRT which have been used for years.

Then there is the other choice buy 2 x19" LCD for the same price as a widescreen.

Spacegirl, please explain how on earth you can write a letter with only one sentence and a 20 line signature counting the spaces as well.

1) It's not a letter, it's a news post.
2) My news client... sucks!!! Can someone recommend a good client for OSX?

Is this a way to spam? Well, some of your links are useless, so it is not even possible to make sure whether this is spam.

Not spam, I never look for work in here. Our sites are supposedly undergoing re-release. I'll trip my sig until I can figure out how to make it work right.

Miranda, I am using Forté Agent, and here it is only 'Tool-Options' to do whatever alterations/add-ons/takeaways you want to do. If you cannot do it with yours, leave it as it is.
Oh..! You did it:-)))

Dave

On Apr 16, 7:08 am, Dave wrote:

Spacegirl, please explain how on earth you can write a letter with only one sentence and a 20 line signature counting the spaces as well.

1) It's not a letter, it's a news post.
2) My news client... sucks!!! Can someone recommend a good client for OSX?

Is this a way to spam? Well, some of your links are useless, so it is not even possible to make sure whether this is spam.

Not spam, I never look for work in here. Our sites are supposedly undergoing re-release. I'll snip my sig until I can figure out how to make it work right.

Miranda, I am using Forté Agent, and here it is only 'Tool-Options' to do whatever alterations/add-ons/takeaways you want to do. If you cannot do it with yours, leave it as it is.
Oh..! You did it:-)))

Dave

They dont appear to have a version that runs under Apple OSX though... :s

On Apr 16, 6:25 am, Rob wrote:

SpaceGirl wrote:

Rob wrote:

www.kevinkienlein.comwrote:

Samsung or viewsonic, or if you are rich, an apple/Mac monitor!! kk

which are made by samsung!

To Apple specification.

Is that the badge? or are there other differences?

The screen tolerance is better (apparently) and the back lights higher specification (whatever that means!). The panels may come out of the same factory, but they are not the same physical panels, or so I have been told.

SpaceGirl wrote:

On Apr 16, 6:25 am, Rob wrote:

SpaceGirl wrote:

Rob wrote:

www.kevinkienlein.comwrote:

Samsung or viewsonic, or if you are rich, an apple/Mac monitor!! kk

which are made by samsung!

To Apple specification.

Is that the badge? or are there other differences?

The screen tolerance is better (apparently) and the back lights higher specification (whatever that means!). The panels may come out of the same factory, but they are not the same physical panels, or so I have been told.

There are a couple of different specs for the Samsung, even Dell screens, which are Samsung, have different specs. The better range is called the Ultra Sharp.

Lunaray wrote:

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

I can't tell you what to get, but I can tell you what not to get, and that is a 22" widescreen. I was fooled by all the good reviews for the LG. It is a 6-bit panel and I calibrated it as best as I could, but it just does not have the dynamic range needed for photo work. So I'm back to my 19" 4:3 Sony for the moment. A 19" widescreen actually has around fifty less square inches than a 19" 4:3 monitor. So, my advice is to either spring for a 24" widescreen monitor, or get a 4:3 monitor instead.

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Lunaray wrote:

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

I can't tell you what to get, but I can tell you what not to get, and that is a 22" widescreen. I was fooled by all the good reviews for the LG. It is a 6-bit panel and I calibrated it as best as I could, but it just does not have the dynamic range needed for photo work. So I'm back to my 19" 4:3 Sony for the moment. A 19" widescreen actually has around fifty less square inches than a 19" 4:3 monitor. So, my advice is to either spring for a 24" widescreen monitor, or get a 4:3 monitor instead.

I'm, what you could call a powerUser (others tell me so), and I use mainly Photoshop as a professionnal photographer. You got some pretty neet advice and you asked for the best. Since I've gone through some of the brands and monitors listed, my advice would be in order of preferences:

Apple displays (23" is a good compromise). I know that the displays are not made by Apple but the quality control is top notch and the specs are surely better than the std ones.
Then let's get on to LaCie 's (expensive but so clean).
If you could put your hands on a Formac or Sony, that's a fair decision.

For a second monitor, Viewsonic offers really good monitors and very well priced.

I would stay away from Acer (fuzzy and inconsistent)

Actually I'm working with two 30" driven by a Quadro FX Pro 4500 (Pure heaven but out your tax refund - I used mine to, at least, stop me from crying seeing the bill!)

Good luck and don't be afraid to burn an image on a CD and "see" the result on different monitors

Since you asked for the best, here is a list. The criteria is how well you can expect to have your prints match your monitor in a calibrated work flow. You have to decide what you can afford.

They are (in order)

Eizo ColorEdge CG220
Eizo ColorEdge CG210
A professional grade CRT would fit here
LaCie 321
Wacom Cintiq 21UX
Eizo Flexscan S2410W

All of the above are accurate enough for professional work. Good monitors that are not accurate enough are:

Apple Cinema Display
ViewSonic VP2130b

This list is based on work done by Will Corcket and you can get more information at http://www.shootsmarter.com.

As an aside, one of the older 19" CRD monitors which was rated highly is the NEC MultiSync FE992 and the last I looked it was available at a very reasonable price at B&H. It can be calibrated to professional standard and cost a fraction of what a professional grade LCD costs. I and a number of my friends have gone that way. I personally use it in a two monitor setup with the second one a Samsung 20". The Samsung is very good as a utility monitor but can't be calibrated to give a good match to my printer output.

I hope this helps,

Mike

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:42:48 -0700, "Lunaray" wrote:

I have a pretty good tax refund coming and I want to buy a new monitor. I want a 19" wide-screen LCD with the absolute best graphic performance available! Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ray

"SpaceGirl" wrote in message

On Apr 16, 6:25 am, Rob wrote:

SpaceGirl wrote:

Rob wrote:

www.kevinkienlein.comwrote:

Samsung or viewsonic, or if you are rich, an apple/Mac monitor!! kk

which are made by samsung!

To Apple specification.

Is that the badge? or are there other differences?

The screen tolerance is better (apparently) and the back lights higher specification (whatever that means!). The panels may come out of the same factory, but they are not the same physical panels, or so I have been told.

Everything you hear, read and see related to LCD screens needs to be considered with a grain of salt. Recently the firm I work for replaced 6 Sony CRT screens with "wide screen" LCD monitors. It took over a month to decide on which ones to buy. We also changed the graphics cards in all the PCs.

I'd like to suggest the make of the screen is not as important as some things not previously mentioned in the thread. Firstly the Video card Absolutely must have a Digital Video plug and you absolutely must use a Digital connection between your monitor and PC to get the full dynamic range of the monitor to display on the screen.

VGA plugs and cables are "last resort" methods of connecting an LCD screen. Don't use them. Remember too that digital Photography is sRGB compliant. Not much point in sending Adobe RGB data to an sRGB printer when it can't use it.

We spent many years using mixed RGB processes and much wasted time painstakingly matching the output devices (HP and Epson wide format + Xerox digital) I used to get a "close match" colour balance.

We discovered now we have LCDs, that using sRGB for everything except PS editing (even then convert back after the edit) allows us to have not just "good enough" matching but excellent colour match between widely differing input and output devices.

The key to this was buying a decent LCD specific colour calibration system. Surprisingly not as expensive as I expected.

In the end we bought 2 Viewsonic "Pro" series 20" wide screen monitors and 4, 20" wide screen LG 'Flatron" monitors with 2000:1 contrast ratio. All of them needed extensive alteration to their out of the box setup and all of them are amazingly similar to look at now. For the first time in years, we can print to any of our printers from any of our workstations and get the same results.

Julian

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The key to this was buying a decent LCD specific colour calibration system. Surprisingly not as expensive as I expected.

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And that is?

Thanks in advance!
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"Photo Critic" wrote:

In the end we bought 2 Viewsonic "Pro" series 20" wide screen monitors and 4, 20" wide screen LG 'Flatron" monitors with 2000:1 contrast ratio. All of them needed extensive alteration to their out of the box setup and all of them are amazingly similar to look at now.

How did you go about the reconfiguration?

James McNangle