saving as high res pdf for printers

I'm running photoshop cs and have acrobat professional.. I designed a post card in ps to be emailed to a printer I was planning on doing it in .tiff, but I was advised that a high res pdf is better, I want to make sure I do this correct. I tried save as... the only option I saw
there was photoshop pdf.. and then the next windows options, was zip or jpg and the slider for quality and a couple other options below... is this the route or is there another way I'm missing... I have alot riding on this card, so I don't want to mess it up. I don't think the printer will care or tell me I did it wrong...
I know if I send the tiff, I'm doing it correct.... but if the pdf is better...

should I flatten image first ?
and they require cmyk...
should I convert it before saving it to pdf ?
include vector data ?????

This saving as a pdf is new to me... so please guide me through this....

as always I appreciate the help ...

Jojo

In article <XHUee.14786$>,
"dwolf" wrote:

I tried save as... the only option I
saw
there was photoshop pdf.. and then the next windows options, was zip or jpg and the slider for quality and a couple other options below... is this the route or is there another way I'm missing... I have alot riding on this card, so I don't want to mess it up. I don't think the printer will care or tell me I did it wrong...

I think you're probably not going to like this, but....

If you did the entire postcard in Photoshop, you've already done it wrong. the preferred way to do a job like this is to do only the image in Photoshop, then place that image in a page layout program like Adobe InDesign or QuarkXPress and put other elements, like text, in that program.

Photoshop is *not* a page layout program. A finished job intended for professional printing should not be done entirely in Photoshop.

Other things to consider: Is your postcard RGB, or CMYK? Printing presses do not work in RGB; you can not print an RGB image on a printing press.

At this point, if you do not want to rebuild the job in a page layout program, you can use Save As to PDF and use JPEG compression, maximum quality. However, if good results are really important, you may consider redoing the postcard in a page layout program.

--
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

okay okay... I've done this before in ps with very fine results... Converting to CMYK and saving as a .Tiff... so maybe you have a point, but I know what I created will work...

So back to my saving as .pdf question.... Thanks Jojo

"Tacit" wrote in message

In article <XHUee.14786$>,
"dwolf" wrote:

I tried save as... the only option I
saw
there was photoshop pdf.. and then the next windows options, was zip or jpg
and the slider for quality and a couple other options below... is this the
route or is there another way I'm missing... I have alot riding on this card, so I don't want to mess it up. I don't think the printer will care or
tell me I did it wrong...

I think you're probably not going to like this, but....

If you did the entire postcard in Photoshop, you've already done it wrong. the preferred way to do a job like this is to do only the image in Photoshop, then place that image in a page layout program like Adobe InDesign or QuarkXPress and put other elements, like text, in that program.

Photoshop is *not* a page layout program. A finished job intended for professional printing should not be done entirely in Photoshop.
Other things to consider: Is your postcard RGB, or CMYK? Printing presses do not work in RGB; you can not print an RGB image on a printing press.

At this point, if you do not want to rebuild the job in a page layout program, you can use Save As to PDF and use JPEG compression, maximum quality. However, if good results are really important, you may consider redoing the postcard in a page layout program.

--
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

In article <4A4fe.35007$>,
"dwolf" wrote:

okay okay... I've done this before in ps with very fine results... Converting to CMYK and saving as a .Tiff... so maybe you have a point, but I know what I created will work...

Yes, it will, but your results will be better if you do not do it this way.

For starters: is there text in your postcard? When you flatten an image and save as a TIFF, the text gets broken up into pixels. This causes the edge of the text to be more "ragged" than if you had not done this. Compare one of your postcards closely with a professionally-produced postcard, looking closely at any text, and you will see what I mean.

If you do not flatten the Photoshop image, and you choose to save as PDF, make sure you include vector information; this will not break the text up into pixels, but will leave it as smooth mathematical curves, and the text will print more smoothly.

It still won't look as good as a postcard designed in a page layout program, though, because the text probably won't "trap." "Trapping" is printer's jargon for a process where areas of dissimilar color have a thin edge of overlapping inks around them; the reason for doing this is that when the job is printed, it is printed four times (once for each of the four primary colors cyan, magenta, yellow, and black). The four prints will never line up perfectly on top of each other on the sheet of paper; it's not physically possible, in part because the paper moves and vibrates as it passes through the press, and in part because the printing plates will never line up 100% perfectly. "Trapping" makes sure that if the printing plates are slightly out of alignment, you do not see a think sliver of white around areas of high contrast.

--
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

So...
I guess to back this up a bit...
Using the card I produced in PS..
Is it better to send a pdf , or tiff ?
I looked at a website (modern postcard). For saving as a pdf Convert to CMYK
They advised the slider to be at maximum. Choose zip compression. and if you didn't flatten the image to include vector info.. They also said mac format... I'm on a pc ??

So... pdf or Tiff ??

Thanks

"Tacit" wrote in message

In article <4A4fe.35007$>,
"dwolf" wrote:

okay okay... I've done this before in ps with very fine results... Converting to CMYK and saving as a .Tiff... so maybe you have a point, but I
know what I created will work...

Yes, it will, but your results will be better if you do not do it this way.

For starters: is there text in your postcard? When you flatten an image and save as a TIFF, the text gets broken up into pixels. This causes the edge of the text to be more "ragged" than if you had not done this. Compare one of your postcards closely with a professionally-produced postcard, looking closely at any text, and you will see what I mean.
If you do not flatten the Photoshop image, and you choose to save as PDF, make sure you include vector information; this will not break the text up into pixels, but will leave it as smooth mathematical curves, and the text will print more smoothly.

It still won't look as good as a postcard designed in a page layout program, though, because the text probably won't "trap." "Trapping" is printer's jargon for a process where areas of dissimilar color have a thin edge of overlapping inks around them; the reason for doing this is that when the job is printed, it is printed four times (once for each of the four primary colors cyan, magenta, yellow, and black). The four prints will never line up perfectly on top of each other on the sheet of paper; it's not physically possible, in part because the paper moves and vibrates as it passes through the press, and in part because the printing plates will never line up 100% perfectly. "Trapping" makes sure that if the printing plates are slightly out of alignment, you do not see a think sliver of white around areas of high contrast.
--
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

I would suggest corel draw. You have unlimited design, great text manipulation-drag to size, fill and outline capabilities, you can import psd graphics, export the finished file as an ai file or a pdf file. I know the hard cores are going to go with InDesign but overall, corel draw is worth checking out.
It does it all in one fell swoop.

"Tacit" wrote in message

In article <4A4fe.35007$>,
"dwolf" wrote:

okay okay... I've done this before in ps with very fine results... Converting to CMYK and saving as a .Tiff... so maybe you have a point,

but I

know what I created will work...

Yes, it will, but your results will be better if you do not do it this way.

For starters: is there text in your postcard? When you flatten an image and save as a TIFF, the text gets broken up into pixels. This causes the edge of the text to be more "ragged" than if you had not done this. Compare one of your postcards closely with a professionally-produced postcard, looking closely at any text, and you will see what I mean.
If you do not flatten the Photoshop image, and you choose to save as PDF, make sure you include vector information; this will not break the text up into pixels, but will leave it as smooth mathematical curves, and the text will print more smoothly.

It still won't look as good as a postcard designed in a page layout program, though, because the text probably won't "trap." "Trapping" is printer's jargon for a process where areas of dissimilar color have a thin edge of overlapping inks around them; the reason for doing this is that when the job is printed, it is printed four times (once for each of the four primary colors cyan, magenta, yellow, and black). The four prints will never line up perfectly on top of each other on the sheet of paper; it's not physically possible, in part because the paper moves and vibrates as it passes through the press, and in part because the printing plates will never line up 100% perfectly. "Trapping" makes sure that if the printing plates are slightly out of alignment, you do not see a think sliver of white around areas of high contrast.
--
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

For today it's PS
"Scrufff" wrote in message

I would suggest corel draw. You have unlimited design, great text manipulation-drag to size, fill and outline capabilities, you can import psd
graphics, export the finished file as an ai file or a pdf file. I know the hard cores are going to go with InDesign but overall, corel draw
is worth checking out.
It does it all in one fell swoop.

"Tacit" wrote in message

In article <4A4fe.35007$>,
"dwolf" wrote:

okay okay... I've done this before in ps with very fine results... Converting to CMYK and saving as a .Tiff... so maybe you have a point,

but I

know what I created will work...

Yes, it will, but your results will be better if you do not do it this way.

For starters: is there text in your postcard? When you flatten an image and save as a TIFF, the text gets broken up into pixels. This causes the edge of the text to be more "ragged" than if you had not done this. Compare one of your postcards closely with a professionally-produced postcard, looking closely at any text, and you will see what I mean.
If you do not flatten the Photoshop image, and you choose to save as PDF, make sure you include vector information; this will not break the text up into pixels, but will leave it as smooth mathematical curves, and the text will print more smoothly.

It still won't look as good as a postcard designed in a page layout program, though, because the text probably won't "trap." "Trapping" is printer's jargon for a process where areas of dissimilar color have a thin edge of overlapping inks around them; the reason for doing this is that when the job is printed, it is printed four times (once for each of the four primary colors cyan, magenta, yellow, and black). The four prints will never line up perfectly on top of each other on the sheet of paper; it's not physically possible, in part because the paper moves and vibrates as it passes through the press, and in part because the printing plates will never line up 100% perfectly. "Trapping" makes sure that if the printing plates are slightly out of alignment, you do not see a think sliver of white around areas of high contrast.
--
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

In article <Cj6fe.45831$>,
"dwolf" wrote:

I guess to back this up a bit...
Using the card I produced in PS..
Is it better to send a pdf , or tiff ?

PDF. If you make a TIFF, any text on your card will be broken up into pixels. This degrades the quality of the text.

I looked at a website (modern postcard). For saving as a pdf Convert to CMYK

Yes, that's right; but did they tell you HOW to do the conversion? If you just go Image->Mode->CMYK, you'll get whatever default CMYK separation parameters you happen to have on your computer, but that may or may not produce something that prints well. They should give you the parameters (for example, GCR, light black generation, 300 DMAX).

They advised the slider to be at maximum. Choose zip compression. and if you didn't flatten the image to include vector info.. They also said mac format... I'm on a pc ??

PDF is PDF; there is no "Mac" or "PC" PDF.

--
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

OK this is off topic but are you JOJOMAN from Unreal Tournament?? and dwolf too? those nicks are same as some gamers I know....

"dwolf" wrote in message

okay okay... I've done this before in ps with very fine results... Converting to CMYK and saving as a .Tiff... so maybe you have a point, but I know what I created will work...

So back to my saving as .pdf question.... Thanks Jojo

"Tacit" wrote in message

In article <XHUee.14786$>,
"dwolf" wrote:

I tried save as... the only option I
saw
there was photoshop pdf.. and then the next windows options, was zip or jpg
and the slider for quality and a couple other options below... is this the
route or is there another way I'm missing... I have alot riding on this card, so I don't want to mess it up. I don't think the printer will care or
tell me I did it wrong...

I think you're probably not going to like this, but....

If you did the entire postcard in Photoshop, you've already done it wrong. the preferred way to do a job like this is to do only the image in Photoshop, then place that image in a page layout program like Adobe InDesign or QuarkXPress and put other elements, like text, in that program.

Photoshop is *not* a page layout program. A finished job intended for professional printing should not be done entirely in Photoshop.
Other things to consider: Is your postcard RGB, or CMYK? Printing presses do not work in RGB; you can not print an RGB image on a printing press.

At this point, if you do not want to rebuild the job in a page layout program, you can use Save As to PDF and use JPEG compression, maximum quality. However, if good results are really important, you may consider redoing the postcard in a page layout program.

--
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

nope
"KatWoman" wrote in message

OK this is off topic but are you JOJOMAN from Unreal Tournament?? and dwolf too? those nicks are same as some gamers I know....

"dwolf" wrote in message

okay okay... I've done this before in ps with very fine results... Converting to CMYK and saving as a .Tiff... so maybe you have a point, but I know what I created will work...

So back to my saving as .pdf question.... Thanks Jojo

"Tacit" wrote in message

In article <XHUee.14786$>,
"dwolf" wrote:

I tried save as... the only option I
saw
there was photoshop pdf.. and then the next windows options, was zip or jpg
and the slider for quality and a couple other options below... is this the
route or is there another way I'm missing... I have alot riding on this
card, so I don't want to mess it up. I don't think the printer will care or
tell me I did it wrong...

I think you're probably not going to like this, but....

If you did the entire postcard in Photoshop, you've already done it wrong. the preferred way to do a job like this is to do only the image in Photoshop, then place that image in a page layout program like Adobe InDesign or QuarkXPress and put other elements, like text, in that program.

Photoshop is *not* a page layout program. A finished job intended for professional printing should not be done entirely in Photoshop.
Other things to consider: Is your postcard RGB, or CMYK? Printing presses do not work in RGB; you can not print an RGB image on a printing press.

At this point, if you do not want to rebuild the job in a page layout program, you can use Save As to PDF and use JPEG compression, maximum quality. However, if good results are really important, you may consider redoing the postcard in a page layout program.

--
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

My sister is working in a printing shop and she prefers Corel to Illy too for layout.

I have also printed postcards, business cards even a poster from PSD files flattened to hi-res TIFFS with the type embedded and no vectorizing and no problems. But I am learning Illy now and have Acrobat and am trying to figure all of it out. I am just learning why vector art is so important in layout and this NG is the first good explanation I have heard about what "trapping" is and why you need it. I just did my first package design in Illustrator, as the manufacturer had a template in that format. It's so frustrating to know PS so well and be such a noob in Illy. I am coming from the photo side of things and have always had to prepare images for layout artists, now clients want me to do the layouts too.

"Scrufff" wrote in message

I would suggest corel draw. You have unlimited design, great text manipulation-drag to size, fill and outline capabilities, you can import psd
graphics, export the finished file as an ai file or a pdf file. I know the hard cores are going to go with InDesign but overall, corel draw
is worth checking out.
It does it all in one fell swoop.

"Tacit" wrote in message

In article <4A4fe.35007$>,
"dwolf" wrote:

okay okay... I've done this before in ps with very fine results... Converting to CMYK and saving as a .Tiff... so maybe you have a point,

but I

know what I created will work...

Yes, it will, but your results will be better if you do not do it this way.

For starters: is there text in your postcard? When you flatten an image and save as a TIFF, the text gets broken up into pixels. This causes the edge of the text to be more "ragged" than if you had not done this. Compare one of your postcards closely with a professionally-produced postcard, looking closely at any text, and you will see what I mean.
If you do not flatten the Photoshop image, and you choose to save as PDF, make sure you include vector information; this will not break the text up into pixels, but will leave it as smooth mathematical curves, and the text will print more smoothly.

It still won't look as good as a postcard designed in a page layout program, though, because the text probably won't "trap." "Trapping" is printer's jargon for a process where areas of dissimilar color have a thin edge of overlapping inks around them; the reason for doing this is that when the job is printed, it is printed four times (once for each of the four primary colors cyan, magenta, yellow, and black). The four prints will never line up perfectly on top of each other on the sheet of paper; it's not physically possible, in part because the paper moves and vibrates as it passes through the press, and in part because the printing plates will never line up 100% perfectly. "Trapping" makes sure that if the printing plates are slightly out of alignment, you do not see a think sliver of white around areas of high contrast.
--
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

Very Cool. I learned my ad design back in the days of paste up and wax. The coolest thing about Corel is that you can do things so quickly. It is the ultimate
vector program.
It's hard to believe that Pagemaker was ever used to design ads, Quark is great but IMHO, since publishers can accept hi-res pdf files, nothing compares to corel.
I'm not sure how corel paint is since I'm too embedded in PS, but PS and Corel is a great combo.
I'm messing with In Design now but It'll be awhile till I use that. I have made some nice headings with drop shadows with it, because that's one of the weak points of CD.

"KatWoman" wrote in message

My sister is working in a printing shop and she prefers Corel to Illy too for layout.

I have also printed postcards, business cards even a poster from PSD files flattened to hi-res TIFFS with the type embedded and no vectorizing and no problems. But I am learning Illy now and have Acrobat and am trying to figure all of it out. I am just learning why vector art is so important in layout and this NG is the first good explanation I have heard about what "trapping" is and why you need it. I just did my first package design in Illustrator, as the manufacturer had a template in that format. It's so frustrating to know PS so well and be such a noob in Illy. I am coming

from

the photo side of things and have always had to prepare images for layout artists, now clients want me to do the layouts too.

"Scrufff" wrote in message

I would suggest corel draw. You have unlimited design, great text manipulation-drag to size, fill and outline capabilities, you can import psd
graphics, export the finished file as an ai file or a pdf file. I know the hard cores are going to go with InDesign but overall, corel draw
is worth checking out.
It does it all in one fell swoop.

"Tacit" wrote in message

In article <4A4fe.35007$>,
"dwolf" wrote:

okay okay... I've done this before in ps with very fine results... Converting to CMYK and saving as a .Tiff... so maybe you have a

point,

but I

know what I created will work...

Yes, it will, but your results will be better if you do not do it this way.

For starters: is there text in your postcard? When you flatten an image and save as a TIFF, the text gets broken up into pixels. This causes

the

edge of the text to be more "ragged" than if you had not done this. Compare one of your postcards closely with a professionally-produced postcard, looking closely at any text, and you will see what I mean.
If you do not flatten the Photoshop image, and you choose to save as PDF, make sure you include vector information; this will not break the text up into pixels, but will leave it as smooth mathematical curves, and the text will print more smoothly.

It still won't look as good as a postcard designed in a page layout program, though, because the text probably won't "trap." "Trapping" is printer's jargon for a process where areas of dissimilar color have a thin edge of overlapping inks around them; the reason for doing this is that when the job is printed, it is printed four times (once for each

of

the four primary colors cyan, magenta, yellow, and black). The four prints will never line up perfectly on top of each other on the sheet

of

paper; it's not physically possible, in part because the paper moves

and

vibrates as it passes through the press, and in part because the printing plates will never line up 100% perfectly. "Trapping" makes

sure

that if the printing plates are slightly out of alignment, you do not see a think sliver of white around areas of high contrast.
--
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

On Sat, 7 May 2005 17:46:27 -0400, "KatWoman"
wrote:

My sister is working in a printing shop and she prefers Corel to Illy too for layout.

I have also printed postcards, business cards even a poster from PSD files flattened to hi-res TIFFS with the type embedded and no vectorizing and no problems. But I am learning Illy now and have Acrobat and am trying to figure all of it out. I am just learning why vector art is so important in layout and this NG is the first good explanation I have heard about what "trapping" is and why you need it. I just did my first package design in Illustrator, as the manufacturer had a template in that format. It's so frustrating to know PS so well and be such a noob in Illy. I am coming from the photo side of things and have always had to prepare images for layout artists, now clients want me to do the layouts too.

The best thing for you to do is get ID and learn it. It's proper page layout software, which neither PS, Illy or Corel is, and it's Adobe which means it implements PDF correctly. Plus it's easy to pass files between the three. In fact, with CS2, Acrobat is actually unnecessary unless you have a specific use for it.

I was doing a car design just yesterday - the front page and image was done in PS, this was passed to Illy where the front page design was done, and this was passed to ID where the card was completed including placing an Illy designed logo on the back. It's so easy once you've used it for a little while. In fact I picked up InDesign so much faster than any of them.

--

Hecate - The Real One

Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...

On Sat, 7 May 2005 21:48:58 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

Very Cool. I learned my ad design back in the days of paste up and wax. The coolest thing about Corel is that you can do things so quickly. It is the ultimate
vector program.

no it isnt. Illustrator is every bit as good.

In the first place, Illustrator is MUCH more compatible with print shops all over the world. I rarely get requests for Corel files, and get requests for Illy stuff constantly.

I use Corel 12 as well, its a fine program. But Illustrator is, to me, every bit as good, and with the compatibility issues, a bit better.

It's hard to believe that Pagemaker was ever used to design ads, Quark is great but IMHO, since publishers can accept hi-res pdf files, nothing compares to corel.

some shops still wont take PDFs.

and they wont take Corel either.

I've found it to be true, especially print shops in Asia, or small union oriented trade show type print shops, unusal circumstances like that

I'm not sure how corel paint is since I'm too embedded in PS, but PS and Corel is a great combo.
I'm messing with In Design now but It'll be awhile till I use that. I have made some nice headings with drop shadows with it, because that's one of the weak points of CD.

InDesign is wonderful.

the best thing that ever happened to "Quark tech support" since hanging up on them.

On Sun, 08 May 2005 22:23:51 +0100, Hecate wrote:

On Sat, 7 May 2005 17:46:27 -0400, "KatWoman"
wrote:

My sister is working in a printing shop and she prefers Corel to Illy too for layout.

I have also printed postcards, business cards even a poster from PSD files flattened to hi-res TIFFS with the type embedded and no vectorizing and no problems. But I am learning Illy now and have Acrobat and am trying to figure all of it out. I am just learning why vector art is so important in layout and this NG is the first good explanation I have heard about what "trapping" is and why you need it. I just did my first package design in Illustrator, as the manufacturer had a template in that format. It's so frustrating to know PS so well and be such a noob in Illy. I am coming from the photo side of things and have always had to prepare images for layout artists, now clients want me to do the layouts too.

The best thing for you to do is get ID and learn it. It's proper page layout software, which neither PS, Illy or Corel is, and it's Adobe which means it implements PDF correctly. Plus it's easy to pass files between the three. In fact, with CS2, Acrobat is actually unnecessary unless you have a specific use for it.

I was doing a car design just yesterday - the front page and image was done in PS, this was passed to Illy where the front page design was done, and this was passed to ID where the card was completed including placing an Illy designed logo on the back. It's so easy once you've used it for a little while. In fact I picked up InDesign so much faster than any of them.

it's also really kewl, if you have enough memory, to have all three programs open, and you can simply grab the image from one program's window and drop it into the next programs window, edit it and pitch it back and forth. Good luck with that in Corel or dare i say it, Quark.

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Sat, 7 May 2005 21:48:58 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

Very Cool. I learned my ad design back in the days of paste up and wax. The coolest thing about Corel is that you can do things so quickly. It is the ultimate
vector program.

no it isnt. Illustrator is every bit as good.

In the first place, Illustrator is MUCH more compatible with print shops all over the world. I rarely get requests for Corel files, and get requests for Illy stuff constantly.

Sorry your print shop is so limited. Behind the times actually.

I use Corel 12 as well, its a fine program. But Illustrator is, to me, every bit as good, and with the compatibility issues, a bit better.

It's hard to believe that Pagemaker was ever used to design ads, Quark is great but IMHO, since publishers can accept hi-res pdf files, nothing compares to corel.

some shops still wont take PDFs.

Yes, there are many smaller shops that are stuck in the mac past.

and they wont take Corel either.

I've never been asked for a corel file. But then again, I've never intended on offering one.
I design ads mostly to be placed in national mags and for the past 5 years I have only supplied
hi-res pdf files output by Corel Draw.
Funny that some of the smaller magazines that are published by printers that don't
accept pdf files turn around and ask for a jpg or tif of the ad. Kinda tells ya where their technology is at.

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

it's also really kewl, if you have enough memory, to have all three programs open, and you can simply grab the image from one program's window and drop it into the next programs window, edit it and pitch it back and forth. Good luck with that in Corel or dare i say it, Quark.

I use CD and photo shop, both open as well as outlook express, IE and 3 messenger services.
Don't need ai.

On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:20:13 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Sat, 7 May 2005 21:48:58 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

Very Cool. I learned my ad design back in the days of paste up and wax. The coolest thing about Corel is that you can do things so quickly. It is the ultimate
vector program.

no it isnt. Illustrator is every bit as good.

In the first place, Illustrator is MUCH more compatible with print shops all over the world. I rarely get requests for Corel files, and get requests for Illy stuff constantly.

Sorry your print shop is so limited. Behind the times actually.

thats completely absurd. I use print shops all over the world, for different things, and different projects.

I've never been asked for a corel file. But then again, I've never intended on offering one.
I design ads mostly to be placed in national mags and for the past 5 years I have only supplied
hi-res pdf files output by Corel Draw.
Funny that some of the smaller magazines that are published by printers that don't
accept pdf files turn around and ask for a jpg or tif of the ad. Kinda tells ya where their technology is at.

Does that really matter, what the shop can accept and cannot? Are you suggesting I should not accept an assignment because the associated vendor does not want to use my favortie format? I suppose it does go right along with your snob superior elitist attitude, which you can shove right up your nose.

On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:30:53 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

it's also really kewl, if you have enough memory, to have all three programs open, and you can simply grab the image from one program's window and drop it into the next programs window, edit it and pitch it back and forth. Good luck with that in Corel or dare i say it, Quark.

I use CD and photo shop, both open as well as outlook express, IE and 3 messenger services.
Don't need ai.

then dont fucking use it. it's pretty pointless to tell another industry professional, who has been working and feeding his family for years and years using his own methods, what he should be doing differently.

you wouldnt happen to be from Canada would you?

the Corel forum is full of asshole canadian frenchies, all pissing and moaning about how Corel is so superior to Adobe yet all the americans are too stupid to accept "this truth".

"Peevee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:20:13 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:
Does that really matter, what the shop can accept and cannot? Are you suggesting I should not accept an assignment because the associated vendor does not want to use my favortie format? I suppose it does go right along with your snob superior elitist attitude, which you can shove right up your nose.

Dude, breathe.
That's pretty funny, calling someone who designs ads in Corel Draw an elitist.
I'm honored, since I was on the front line war to break printers and publishers from
the mac stranglehold that once controlled the print industry. Hi-Res pdf files are what finally broke the back of true elitism in design. You really have no clue.

The fact is, and it's a fact, is that top line publishing companies-and even smaller ones, are moving toward
hi-res pdf files as the #1 accepted file format.
Nobody is saying that your 3rd world publishing experience is a bad thing. Most small publishers, domestic or foreign, may not have the equipment/technology to accept pdf.
Hell, I had a printer quote from Taiwan recently that wanted film!! Go figure.
If that's compatible with your technology, then by all means, call me an elitist.

"Peevee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:30:53 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

it's also really kewl, if you have enough memory, to have all three programs open, and you can simply grab the image from one program's window and drop it into the next programs window, edit it and pitch it back and forth. Good luck with that in Corel or dare i say it, Quark.

I use CD and photo shop, both open as well as outlook express, IE and 3 messenger services.
Don't need ai.

then dont fucking use it. it's pretty pointless to tell another industry professional, who has been working and feeding his family for years and years using his own methods, what he should be doing differently.

you wouldnt happen to be from Canada would you?

the Corel forum is full of asshole canadian frenchies, all pissing and moaning about how Corel is so superior to Adobe yet all the americans are too stupid to accept "this truth".

Dude, you are fucked up. Is business slow? What superior 3rd world are you from?
Your debating skills would be much more appreciated in alt.fan.howard-stern.

On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:56:05 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"Peevee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:30:53 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

it's also really kewl, if you have enough memory, to have all three programs open, and you can simply grab the image from one program's window and drop it into the next programs window, edit it and pitch it back and forth. Good luck with that in Corel or dare i say it, Quark.

I use CD and photo shop, both open as well as outlook express, IE and 3 messenger services.
Don't need ai.

then dont fucking use it. it's pretty pointless to tell another industry professional, who has been working and feeding his family for years and years using his own methods, what he should be doing differently.

you wouldnt happen to be from Canada would you?

the Corel forum is full of asshole canadian frenchies, all pissing and moaning about how Corel is so superior to Adobe yet all the americans are too stupid to accept "this truth".

Dude, you are fucked up.

pot. kettle. black.

Is business slow? What superior 3rd world are you

from?
Your debating skills would be much more appreciated in alt.fan.howard-stern.

I'm sure you are welcome over there. Why dont you now go post how Chocolate is so superior in a Vanilla forum.

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:56:05 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"Peevee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:30:53 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

it's also really kewl, if you have enough memory, to have all three programs open, and you can simply grab the image from one program's window and drop it into the next programs window, edit it and pitch

it

back and forth. Good luck with that in Corel or dare i say it,

Quark.

I use CD and photo shop, both open as well as outlook express, IE and

3

messenger services.
Don't need ai.

then dont fucking use it. it's pretty pointless to tell another industry professional, who has been working and feeding his family for years and years using his own methods, what he should be doing differently.

you wouldnt happen to be from Canada would you?

the Corel forum is full of asshole canadian frenchies, all pissing and moaning about how Corel is so superior to Adobe yet all the americans are too stupid to accept "this truth".

Dude, you are fucked up.

pot. kettle. black.

You're really a high school kid, right?

You guys are fighting in my god dam thread....... what does this all have to do with my question on pdf's

Screw it... I'm going with tiff after all

"Scrufff" wrote in message

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:56:05 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"Peevee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:30:53 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

it's also really kewl, if you have enough memory, to have all three programs open, and you can simply grab the image from one program's window and drop it into the next programs window, edit it and pitch

it

back and forth. Good luck with that in Corel or dare i say it,

Quark.

I use CD and photo shop, both open as well as outlook express, IE and

3

messenger services.
Don't need ai.

then dont fucking use it. it's pretty pointless to tell another industry professional, who has been working and feeding his family for years and years using his own methods, what he should be doing differently.

you wouldnt happen to be from Canada would you?

the Corel forum is full of asshole canadian frenchies, all pissing and moaning about how Corel is so superior to Adobe yet all the americans are too stupid to accept "this truth".

Dude, you are fucked up.

pot. kettle. black.

You're really a high school kid, right?

oh no! more DEVO!

"dwolf" wrote in message

You guys are fighting in my god dam thread....... what does this all have to do with my question on pdf's

Screw it... I'm going with tiff after all

"Scrufff" wrote in message

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:56:05 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"Peevee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:30:53 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

it's also really kewl, if you have enough memory, to have all three
programs open, and you can simply grab the image from one program's
window and drop it into the next programs window, edit it and pitch

it

back and forth. Good luck with that in Corel or dare i say it,

Quark.

I use CD and photo shop, both open as well as outlook express, IE and

3

messenger services.
Don't need ai.

then dont fucking use it. it's pretty pointless to tell another industry professional, who has been working and feeding his family for
years and years using his own methods, what he should be doing differently.

you wouldnt happen to be from Canada would you?

the Corel forum is full of asshole canadian frenchies, all pissing and
moaning about how Corel is so superior to Adobe yet all the americans are too stupid to accept "this truth".

Dude, you are fucked up.

pot. kettle. black.

You're really a high school kid, right?

Do we know you?

"dwolf" wrote in message

You guys are fighting in my god dam thread....... what does this all have

to

do with my question on pdf's

Screw it... I'm going with tiff after all

"Scrufff" wrote in message

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:56:05 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"Peevee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:30:53 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

it's also really kewl, if you have enough memory, to have all

three

programs open, and you can simply grab the image from one

program's

window and drop it into the next programs window, edit it and

pitch

it

back and forth. Good luck with that in Corel or dare i say it,

Quark.

I use CD and photo shop, both open as well as outlook express, IE and

3

messenger services.
Don't need ai.

then dont fucking use it. it's pretty pointless to tell another industry professional, who has been working and feeding his family

for

years and years using his own methods, what he should be doing differently.

you wouldnt happen to be from Canada would you?

the Corel forum is full of asshole canadian frenchies, all pissing

and

moaning about how Corel is so superior to Adobe yet all the

americans

are too stupid to accept "this truth".

Dude, you are fucked up.

pot. kettle. black.

You're really a high school kid, right?

no...................
"Scrufff" wrote in message

Do we know you?

"dwolf" wrote in message

You guys are fighting in my god dam thread....... what does this all have

to

do with my question on pdf's

Screw it... I'm going with tiff after all

"Scrufff" wrote in message

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:56:05 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"Peevee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:30:53 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

it's also really kewl, if you have enough memory, to have all

three

programs open, and you can simply grab the image from one

program's

window and drop it into the next programs window, edit it and

pitch

it

back and forth. Good luck with that in Corel or dare i say it,

Quark.

I use CD and photo shop, both open as well as outlook express, IE and

3

messenger services.
Don't need ai.

then dont fucking use it. it's pretty pointless to tell another industry professional, who has been working and feeding his family

for

years and years using his own methods, what he should be doing differently.

you wouldnt happen to be from Canada would you?

the Corel forum is full of asshole canadian frenchies, all pissing

and

moaning about how Corel is so superior to Adobe yet all the

americans

are too stupid to accept "this truth".

Dude, you are fucked up.

pot. kettle. black.

You're really a high school kid, right?

On Tue, 10 May 2005 19:11:29 -0400, "dwolf"
wrote:

You guys are fighting in my god dam thread....... what does this all have to do with my question on pdf's

Screw it... I'm going with tiff after all

You can use Photoshop PDF if you like, or, Photoshop EPS. the two advantages with these formats are, they retain any vector information in the file and typically, you want all your text to be vector.

Or, you can be like Scruff, and use Corel because "its the best!"

"PeeVee_Hermann" wrote in message

On Tue, 10 May 2005 19:11:29 -0400, "dwolf"
wrote:

You guys are fighting in my god dam thread....... what does this all have

to

do with my question on pdf's

Screw it... I'm going with tiff after all

You can use Photoshop PDF if you like, or, Photoshop EPS. the two advantages with these formats are, they retain any vector information in the file and typically, you want all your text to be vector.
Or, you can be like Scruff, and use Corel because "its the best!"

You just confirmed my point for using PDF files.
I use CD to assemble my art/ad. I use photo shop to
work my photos.
So when it comes down to Ai or CD?
They're both great but CD, IMO, is more versatile.

But you can strip film like PeeVee does.