optimizing: PS adding "copy" to file name...

hi,

whenever I optimize PSD images now, whether it's through File -> Save for Web and Devices or thru scripts -> image processor, Photoshop now is adding "copy" at end of the file name for the optimized img for example:

DSC_0023.psd becomes DSC_0023 copy.jpg (it leaves a blank space before "copy" which either way is very poor practice..)

...why is it doing this now? I certainly haven't changed this setting, and don't even know where to change it..

would appreciate some help..

thank you...

In article <gpj7mi$2ieb$>, maya
wrote:

hi,

whenever I optimize PSD images now, whether it's through File -> Save for Web and Devices or thru scripts -> image processor, Photoshop now is adding "copy" at end of the file name for the optimized img for example:
DSC_0023.psd becomes DSC_0023 copy.jpg (it leaves a blank space before "copy" which either way is very poor practice..)
..why is it doing this now? I certainly haven't changed this setting, and don't even know where to change it..

would appreciate some help..

thank you...

Say it is file DSC_0023.psd ... if you save the new version as PSD then it will not be called "copy" ... you may be asked to verify that it replaces the old file. But if you save it as JPG (see your example) then, since JPG loses information, it will be called "copy".

Spaces in filenames was "very poor practice" in the olden days, but today it is allowed by all modern operating systems.

Philo D wrote:

In article <gpj7mi$2ieb$>, maya
wrote:

hi,

whenever I optimize PSD images now, whether it's through File -> Save for Web and Devices or thru scripts -> image processor, Photoshop now is adding "copy" at end of the file name for the optimized img for example:
DSC_0023.psd becomes DSC_0023 copy.jpg (it leaves a blank space before "copy" which either way is very poor practice..)
..why is it doing this now? I certainly haven't changed this setting, and don't even know where to change it..

would appreciate some help..

thank you...

Say it is file DSC_0023.psd ... if you save the new version as PSD then it will not be called "copy" ... you may be asked to verify that it replaces the old file. But if you save it as JPG (see your example) then, since JPG loses information, it will be called "copy".
Spaces in filenames was "very poor practice" in the olden days, but today it is allowed by all modern operating systems.

thank you for yr response.. why did PS start doing this just NOW? since about a week ago.. I've been using PS for over 10 years, it has never done this before, the optimized .jpg file always has the exact same name as the .psd, except for the extension..

thank you...

maya wrote:

Say it is file DSC_0023.psd ... if you save the new version as PSD then it will not be called "copy" ... you may be asked to verify that it replaces the old file. But if you save it as JPG (see your example) then, since JPG loses information, it will be called "copy".
Spaces in filenames was "very poor practice" in the olden days, but today it is allowed by all modern operating systems.

thank you for yr response.. why did PS start doing this just NOW? since about a week ago.. I've been using PS for over 10 years, it has never done this before, the optimized .jpg file always has the exact same name as the .psd, except for the extension..

The explanation is wrong. Photoshop only adds the word 'copy' if saving as JPEG means you lose certain specific elements of the file, such as layers. If your PSD is layered or if it has an alpha channel, you will get the 'copy' addition. If your PSD is simply a flat file, you won't get that. The lossless compression of JPEG has nothing to do with it.

--
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Johan W. Elzenga wrote:

maya wrote:

Say it is file DSC_0023.psd ... if you save the new version as PSD then it will not be called "copy" ... you may be asked to verify that it replaces the old file. But if you save it as JPG (see your example) then, since JPG loses information, it will be called "copy".
Spaces in filenames was "very poor practice" in the olden days, but today it is allowed by all modern operating systems.

thank you for yr response.. why did PS start doing this just NOW? since about a week ago.. I've been using PS for over 10 years, it has never done this before, the optimized .jpg file always has the exact same name as the .psd, except for the extension..

The explanation is wrong. Photoshop only adds the word 'copy' if saving as JPEG means you lose certain specific elements of the file, such as layers. If your PSD is layered or if it has an alpha channel, you will get the 'copy' addition. If your PSD is simply a flat file, you won't get that. The lossless compression of JPEG has nothing to do with it.

you ALWAYS lose the layers when you convert from .psd to .jpg.. obviously the ONLY way to convert to JPG is to flatten the image... once again: PS has started doing this just NOW, since a few days ago, and I'm certainly not doing anything differently.... I have been optimizing LAYERED .psd files into .jpg for over 10 years, but this started happening just recently...

thank you..

In article <1iwohzy.rhbeqqi5qwe8N%>,
(Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

The lossless compression of JPEG has nothing to do with it.

ISO/IEC 10918. Information technology -- Digital compression and coding of continuous-tone still images(formal name)
DCT-based lossy compression is one of two broad classes specified

JPEG lossy compression (common name)

The Library [of Congress's] general preference for still image "masters" is for uncompressed bitstreams, and rich metadata is always welcome. Thus TIFF_UNC_EXIF and TIFF_UNC are preferred. For images only available in lossy compressed form, JPEG_DCT is acceptable. Preferred file formats for JPEG_DCT include JPEG_EXIF (rich metadata) and JFIF; raw JPEG data (see Notes) is only acceptable if no other format is available. Meanwhile, J2K_C_LSY (JPEG 2000 Part 1, Core Coding, Lossy Compression) is an emerging preference for compressed bitmapped still images.

< http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000017.sht ml>

In article <gplr19$udo$
says...

Johan W. Elzenga wrote:

maya wrote:

Say it is file DSC_0023.psd ... if you save the new version as PSD then it will not be called "copy" ... you may be asked to verify that it replaces the old file. But if you save it as JPG (see your example) then, since JPG loses information, it will be called "copy".
Spaces in filenames was "very poor practice" in the olden days, but today it is allowed by all modern operating systems.

thank you for yr response.. why did PS start doing this just NOW? since about a week ago.. I've been using PS for over 10 years, it has never done this before, the optimized .jpg file always has the exact same name as the .psd, except for the extension..

The explanation is wrong. Photoshop only adds the word 'copy' if saving as JPEG means you lose certain specific elements of the file, such as layers. If your PSD is layered or if it has an alpha channel, you will get the 'copy' addition. If your PSD is simply a flat file, you won't get that. The lossless compression of JPEG has nothing to do with it.

you ALWAYS lose the layers when you convert from .psd to .jpg.. obviously the ONLY way to convert to JPG is to flatten the image... once again: PS has started doing this just NOW, since a few days ago, and I'm certainly not doing anything differently.... I have been optimizing LAYERED .psd files into .jpg for over 10 years, but this started happening just recently...

With PS7 , I can emulate the result you describe if the tick-box annotated "As a Copy", in the Save Options of the Save As dialog box has been ticked. You may have inadvertantly set this as a preference (although I haven't checked if it is setable as such).

Mike

mike wrote:

In article <gplr19$udo$
says...

Johan W. Elzenga wrote:

maya wrote:

Say it is file DSC_0023.psd ... if you save the new version as PSD then it will not be called "copy" ... you may be asked to verify that it replaces the old file. But if you save it as JPG (see your example) then, since JPG loses information, it will be called "copy".
Spaces in filenames was "very poor practice" in the olden days, but today it is allowed by all modern operating systems.

thank you for yr response.. why did PS start doing this just NOW? since about a week ago.. I've been using PS for over 10 years, it has never done this before, the optimized .jpg file always has the exact same name as the .psd, except for the extension..

The explanation is wrong. Photoshop only adds the word 'copy' if saving as JPEG means you lose certain specific elements of the file, such as layers. If your PSD is layered or if it has an alpha channel, you will get the 'copy' addition. If your PSD is simply a flat file, you won't get that. The lossless compression of JPEG has nothing to do with it.

you ALWAYS lose the layers when you convert from .psd to .jpg.. obviously the ONLY way to convert to JPG is to flatten the image... once again: PS has started doing this just NOW, since a few days ago, and I'm certainly not doing anything differently.... I have been optimizing LAYERED .psd files into .jpg for over 10 years, but this started happening just recently...

With PS7 , I can emulate the result you describe if the tick-box annotated "As a Copy", in the Save Options of the Save As dialog box has been ticked. You may have inadvertantly set this as a preference (although I haven't checked if it is setable as such).

Mike

hmmm.. thank you.. I don't see the "save as copy" option in the "save for web" dialog.. I just looked @ the plain "save as" dialog, it's not set for "save as copy".. this IS weird.... is this something you set in prefs?? I certainly have never changed this pref.... (nothing regarding "save as copy" in prefs -> file handling or anywhere else in prefs..)

just now a strange thing happened.. I applied an action to an image (resize, then save), when it went to save I got the dialog.. with "save as copy".. then I tried a few mins. later w/another image and it saved it fine w/o opening the save-as dialog... WEIRD....

thank you for yr response....

krishnananda wrote:

In article <1iwohzy.rhbeqqi5qwe8N%>,
(Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

The lossless compression of JPEG has nothing to do with it.

ISO/IEC 10918. Information technology -- Digital compression and coding of continuous-tone still images(formal name)
DCT-based lossy compression is one of two broad classes specified
JPEG lossy compression (common name)

The Library [of Congress's] general preference for still image "masters" is for uncompressed bitstreams, and rich metadata is always welcome. Thus TIFF_UNC_EXIF and TIFF_UNC are preferred. For images only available in lossy compressed form, JPEG_DCT is acceptable. Preferred file formats for JPEG_DCT include JPEG_EXIF (rich metadata) and JFIF; raw JPEG data (see Notes) is only acceptable if no other format is available. Meanwhile, J2K_C_LSY (JPEG 2000 Part 1, Core Coding, Lossy Compression) is an emerging preference for compressed bitmapped still images.
< http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000017.sht ml>

You obviously don't understand what I'm saying. What I'm saying is this: The lossless compression of JPEG has nothing to do WITH THE FACT THAT PHOTOSHOP ADDS THE WORD 'COPY' TO THE NAME. If you save a flattened file as JPEG, Photoshop doesn't add that. Clear now?

--
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com