hiding film grain?

when the film grain is objectionable, are there filters or plug-ins that are really good at smoothing it?
I have looked at the 'remove grain' component of GrainSurgery v.1, and it isn't too good.
It is not a bad scan but the original slide film was too fast/grainy

In article <CKpAb.16637$>, "fg"
wrote:

when the film grain is objectionable, are there filters or plug-ins that are really good at smoothing it?
I have looked at the 'remove grain' component of GrainSurgery v.1, and it isn't too good.
It is not a bad scan but the original slide film was too fast/grainy

Tough s*t. Grain isn't a bad thing with a good picture. Now if you want, I do have a rather spendy plug-in, "Silk Purse from Sow's Ear".

"jjs" wrote in message

In article <CKpAb.16637$>, "fg"
wrote:

when the film grain is objectionable, are there filters or plug-ins that

are

really good at smoothing it?
I have looked at the 'remove grain' component of GrainSurgery v.1, and

it

isn't too good.
It is not a bad scan but the original slide film was too fast/grainy

Tough s*t. Grain isn't a bad thing with a good picture. Now if you want, I do have a rather spendy plug-in, "Silk Purse from Sow's Ear".

jjs is having one of his grumpy spells.

The best way to reduce grain is to use a scanner with Digital GEM. The second best way that I know of is Neat Image:
http://www.neatimage.com/

when the film grain is objectionable, are there filters or plug-ins

that

are

really good at smoothing it?
I have looked at the 'remove grain' component of GrainSurgery v.1,

and

it

isn't too good.
It is not a bad scan but the original slide film was too fast/grainy

Tough s*t. Grain isn't a bad thing with a good picture. Now if you want,

I

do have a rather spendy plug-in, "Silk Purse from Sow's Ear".

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jjs is having one of his grumpy spells.

The best way to reduce grain is to use a scanner with Digital GEM. The second best way that I know of is Neat Image:
http://www.neatimage.com/

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thanks Warren - I'll look into your suggestions.
(that other poster has some attitude huh, i wonder if his images can back up his judgemental outbursts - unlikely)

Grain is also digital 'noise' which you can reduce with standard PS plugins under 'noise'.
MR

"fg" wrote in message

when the film grain is objectionable, are there filters or plug-ins that

are

really good at smoothing it?
I have looked at the 'remove grain' component of GrainSurgery v.1, and it isn't too good.
It is not a bad scan but the original slide film was too fast/grainy

In article <oOAAb.42715$>, "Milo
Rambaldi" wrote:

Grain is also digital 'noise' which you can reduce with standard PS plugins under 'noise'.

What you are speaking of is probably grain-aliasing, but we won't quibble.

He might try copying the image a new layer, drag the new layer below the original, then apply a modest (try 3 pixel) median to the new layer, then set the mode of the original layer (above the medianed) to 'screen'. Works pretty well for very 'grainy' images which have fairly good detail.

NeatImage is really cool and does a great job. You do have to create profiles for your devices so that it knows what is picture and what is grain/noise, but once that is done it does and incredible job.

As JJS pointed out in a not so polite way some grain is good and helps to make the image look...well better and more real. If you use NeatImage to remove all of it the image can look fake so leave some.

Robert

fg wrote:

when the film grain is objectionable, are there filters or plug-ins that are really good at smoothing it?
I have looked at the 'remove grain' component of GrainSurgery v.1, and it isn't too good.
It is not a bad scan but the original slide film was too fast/grainy

Digital GEM is what I use . It used to be made by Applied Science Fiction but they have now been bought out by Kodak. I have been plagued with grain from my Polaroid SS4000 even with Fuji Provia 100 but GEM can be set to smooth out the grain whilst not loosing too much detail. You can download a trial version from their site.

Tony Robinson.

The best way to reduce grain is to use a scanner with Digital GEM.

GEM is a pure software operation and you can now buy a GEM plugin directly from Asf (applied science fiction)

Norman

"Warren Sarle" wrote in message

"jjs" wrote in message

In article <CKpAb.16637$>, "fg"
wrote:

when the film grain is objectionable, are there filters or

plug-ins that

are

really good at smoothing it?
I have looked at the 'remove grain' component of GrainSurgery v.1,

and

it

isn't too good.
It is not a bad scan but the original slide film was too

fast/grainy

Tough s*t. Grain isn't a bad thing with a good picture. Now if you

want, I

do have a rather spendy plug-in, "Silk Purse from Sow's Ear".

jjs is having one of his grumpy spells.

The best way to reduce grain is to use a scanner with Digital GEM. The second best way that I know of is Neat Image:
http://www.neatimage.com/

You can try Digital GEM from Applied science fiction.
I like using Fred Miranda's ISOx plugin.
NeatImage is also very good.

Norman

"fg" wrote in message

when the film grain is objectionable, are there filters or plug-ins

that are

really good at smoothing it?
I have looked at the 'remove grain' component of GrainSurgery v.1,

and it

isn't too good.
It is not a bad scan but the original slide film was too fast/grainy