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Derek Fountain
Jan 4, 2007
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Is anyone using a widescreen monitor for Photoshop work? I don’t have room on my desk for 2 monitors, but I could fit one of these. My assumption would be that the wide screen is a useful thing to have, and I can’t think of any drawbacks. Can anyone confirm they’re worth the extra outlay?


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Tony Cooper
Jan 4, 2007
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:37:35 +0000, Derek Fountain
wrote:

Is anyone using a widescreen monitor for Photoshop work? I don’t have room on my desk for 2 monitors, but I could fit one of these. My assumption would be that the wide screen is a useful thing to have, and I can’t think of any drawbacks. Can anyone confirm they’re worth the extra outlay?

When I was recently shopping for a new monitor I made some in-store comparisons. It seemed to me that the wide-screens distorted the image slightly by squeezing it top-to-bottom. It wouldn’t be a problem for viewing most things, but I think it would in Photoshop projects. What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print.

I should point out that the above is personal opinion and was observed using images that weren’t loaded in Photoshop.



Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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ronviers
Jan 4, 2007
Tony Cooper wrote:
wide-screens distorted the
image slightly by squeezing it top-to-bottom.
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

My guess it that if there is some squeezing or stretching that it can be corrected by either selecting the pixel dimensions to match the monitor or using custom dimensions. But that is just a guess.

Good luck,
Ron
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nomail
Jan 4, 2007
Derek Fountain wrote:

Is anyone using a widescreen monitor for Photoshop work? I don’t have room on my desk for 2 monitors, but I could fit one of these. My assumption would be that the wide screen is a useful thing to have, and I can’t think of any drawbacks. Can anyone confirm they’re worth the extra outlay?

I’m using an Apple 23" Cinema Display AND a Dell 21 inch, but the Cinema Display alone is also a great screen for Photoshop.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
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Derek Fountain
Jan 4, 2007
I’m using an Apple 23" Cinema Display AND a Dell 21 inch, but the Cinema Display alone is also a great screen for Photoshop.

Which Dell do you use, Johan? I’m currently totally bogged down in LCD monitor specs and can’t find the one to go for. 21" might be a bit expensive for me, but if someone like yourself were to specifically recommend one I might just go for it…


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Routemeister
Jan 4, 2007
Wide screen monitors work well for Photoshop in turns of workspace, but beware, many of them are designed for video and games. The compromises made for that market come at the expense of color fidelity, especially those of the TN type LCD.
Check these sites first, then try before you buy!
http://picasaweb.google.com/david.routemeister
http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/
..http://www.behardware.com/ (Monitor reviews)
..http://www.tomshardware.com/graphics/displays/index.html (Monitor reviews) ..http://www.anandtech.com/displays/(Monitor reviews)
..http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.h tml(28 pages!)

Regards,
David "Routemeister" Thompson
http://picasaweb.google.com/david.routemeister
http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/
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Is anyone using a widescreen monitor for Photoshop work? I don’t have room on my desk for 2 monitors, but I could fit one of these. My assumption would be that the wide screen is a useful thing to have, and I can’t think of any drawbacks. Can anyone confirm they’re worth the extra outlay?


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nomail
Jan 4, 2007
Derek Fountain wrote:

I’m using an Apple 23" Cinema Display AND a Dell 21 inch, but the Cinema Display alone is also a great screen for Photoshop.

Which Dell do you use, Johan? I’m currently totally bogged down in LCD monitor specs and can’t find the one to go for. 21" might be a bit expensive for me, but if someone like yourself were to specifically recommend one I might just go for it…

It’s the Dell UltraSharp 2001FP, so a small correction: it’s a 20 inch. I only use it as my second screen, so the images in Photoshop are on the Apple and only the palettes are on the Dell. That means I cannot specifically recommend the Dell for Photoshop work.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
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Charlie Choc
Jan 4, 2007
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 09:39:44 -0500, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:37:35 +0000, Derek Fountain
wrote:

Is anyone using a widescreen monitor for Photoshop work? I don’t have room on my desk for 2 monitors, but I could fit one of these. My assumption would be that the wide screen is a useful thing to have, and I can’t think of any drawbacks. Can anyone confirm they’re worth the extra outlay?

When I was recently shopping for a new monitor I made some in-store comparisons. It seemed to me that the wide-screens distorted the image slightly by squeezing it top-to-bottom. It wouldn’t be a problem for viewing most things, but I think it would in Photoshop projects. What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print.

I should point out that the above is personal opinion and was observed using images that weren’t loaded in Photoshop.

You need a video card that will support the widescreen monitor resolution. I have a 24" at 1920×1200 and there is no distortion. —
Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
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Rob
Jan 5, 2007
Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:37:35 +0000, Derek Fountain
wrote:

Is anyone using a widescreen monitor for Photoshop work? I don’t have room on my desk for 2 monitors, but I could fit one of these. My assumption would be that the wide screen is a useful thing to have, and I can’t think of any drawbacks. Can anyone confirm they’re worth the extra outlay?

When I was recently shopping for a new monitor I made some in-store comparisons. It seemed to me that the wide-screens distorted the image slightly by squeezing it top-to-bottom. It wouldn’t be a problem for viewing most things, but I think it would in Photoshop projects. What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print.

I should point out that the above is personal opinion and was observed using images that weren’t loaded in Photoshop.

The store doesn’t have the screen drivers loaded to make the corrections.
DF
Derek Fountain
Jan 5, 2007
Routemeister wrote:
Wide screen monitors work well for Photoshop in turns of workspace, but beware, many of them are designed for video and games. The compromises made for that market come at the expense of color fidelity, especially those of the TN type LCD.
Check these sites first, then try before you buy!
http://picasaweb.google.com/david.routemeister
http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/
.http://www.behardware.com/ (Monitor reviews)
.http://www.tomshardware.com/graphics/displays/index.html (Monitor reviews) .http://www.anandtech.com/displays/(Monitor reviews)
.http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.ht ml(28 pages!)

Thanks for the links – most useful.

Looks like a Samsung SM940T is the most suitable for what I need. I don’t suppose anyone is using one who can vouch for it as a Photoshop-friendly device?


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Jethro
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:05:34 +1100, Rob wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:37:35 +0000, Derek Fountain
wrote:

Is anyone using a widescreen monitor for Photoshop work? I don’t have room on my desk for 2 monitors, but I could fit one of these. My assumption would be that the wide screen is a useful thing to have, and I can’t think of any drawbacks. Can anyone confirm they’re worth the extra outlay?

When I was recently shopping for a new monitor I made some in-store comparisons. It seemed to me that the wide-screens distorted the image slightly by squeezing it top-to-bottom. It wouldn’t be a problem for viewing most things, but I think it would in Photoshop projects. What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print.

I should point out that the above is personal opinion and was observed using images that weren’t loaded in Photoshop.

The store doesn’t have the screen drivers loaded to make the corrections.

Can you tell me what you get for ‘uptodate’ screen drivers? What dies such a driver really do?

I just bought a 22" wide-screen LCD monitor, and am playing with photos. Right off the bat I notice that the photos are elongated horizontally (to fill the full screen-width I guess). As a result, I have to agree that ‘What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print’. In fact, the photos are NOT elongated on the printed paper, and so look quite good,
proportionally, to the original – BUT NOT QUITE THE SAME AS THE SCREEN IMAGE. It even causes me to wonder if I draw a circle on the screen, and then print it, will I still get a circle? I haven’t done that yet, but I plan to.

I don’t know how much this distortion would affect trying to edit photos in Pshop, but I fear it might. I am sitting here trying to decide if I made a wrong move buying the widescreen LCD, since I wanted to use it in part for photo editing.

This is why I ask you – would a correct screen driver render a screen image without elongation? And how would it show up? Would the screen window itself be what it used to be on my old VGA monitor? Namely quite square?

Now maybe I am ‘way off-base here, and the image-elongation would not negatively affect me. What do you think about all this? Should widescreens be used for graphic editing?

Thanks

Jethro
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Jethro
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:29:47 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:05:34 +1100, Rob wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:37:35 +0000, Derek Fountain
wrote:

Is anyone using a widescreen monitor for Photoshop work? I don’t have room on my desk for 2 monitors, but I could fit one of these. My assumption would be that the wide screen is a useful thing to have, and I can’t think of any drawbacks. Can anyone confirm they’re worth the extra outlay?

When I was recently shopping for a new monitor I made some in-store comparisons. It seemed to me that the wide-screens distorted the image slightly by squeezing it top-to-bottom. It wouldn’t be a problem for viewing most things, but I think it would in Photoshop projects. What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print.

I should point out that the above is personal opinion and was observed using images that weren’t loaded in Photoshop.

The store doesn’t have the screen drivers loaded to make the corrections.

Can you tell me what you get for ‘uptodate’ screen drivers? What dies such a driver really do?

I just bought a 22" wide-screen LCD monitor, and am playing with photos. Right off the bat I notice that the photos are elongated horizontally (to fill the full screen-width I guess). As a result, I have to agree that ‘What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print’. In fact, the photos are NOT elongated on the printed paper, and so look quite good,
proportionally, to the original – BUT NOT QUITE THE SAME AS THE SCREEN IMAGE. It even causes me to wonder if I draw a circle on the screen, and then print it, will I still get a circle? I haven’t done that yet, but I plan to.

I don’t know how much this distortion would affect trying to edit photos in Pshop, but I fear it might. I am sitting here trying to decide if I made a wrong move buying the widescreen LCD, since I wanted to use it in part for photo editing.

This is why I ask you – would a correct screen driver render a screen image without elongation? And how would it show up? Would the screen window itself be what it used to be on my old VGA monitor? Namely quite square?

Now maybe I am ‘way off-base here, and the image-elongation would not negatively affect me. What do you think about all this? Should widescreens be used for graphic editing?

Thanks

Jethro

I just made a test in Pshop. I created a new window with a close to perfect circle in it. The circle was filled with black. I printed it and lo – I got a vertical ellipse, not a circle. This, despite the fact that print preview showed the perfect circle. I really expected this, and it seems logical that this would happen, since the printed image was not wide. But if WHYSINWYG. then how can one do effective editing?

Thanks

Jethro
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JJ
Jan 5, 2007
When you say you made a perfect circle, did you make it using a shape with set dimensions? If you made it with set (typed in) dimensions, then that obviates errors at the computer side. If it did not print as a perfect circle, then you have a printing issue.

Make a simple, perfect circle. Save it a postscript and read the code. It’s elementary and will show you that it’s okay.
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Charlie Choc
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:29:47 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I just bought a 22" wide-screen LCD monitor, and am playing with photos. Right off the bat I notice that the photos are elongated horizontally (to fill the full screen-width I guess). As a result, I have to agree that ‘What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print’.

What is your screen resolution set to. If it is not the correct aspect ratio for your monitor it will look distorted. You may need a new driver and/or video card to get the resolution you need.

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
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Jethro
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:05:55 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:29:47 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I just bought a 22" wide-screen LCD monitor, and am playing with photos. Right off the bat I notice that the photos are elongated horizontally (to fill the full screen-width I guess). As a result, I have to agree that ‘What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print’.

What is your screen resolution set to. If it is not the correct aspect ratio for your monitor it will look distorted. You may need a new driver and/or video card to get the resolution you need.

In ControlPanel>Display, I have it set to 1600X1200.
I chose that from these available choices:
800X600
1024X768
1152X864
1280X768
1280X960
1280X1024
1600X1200 <<<===
1792X1344
1800X1440
1856X1392
1920X1080
1920X1200
1920X1440
2048X1536
My video card is a RADEON 9200 PRO SEC.

I have tried several of these resolution choices. While the choice affected the icon and text sizes on the displays, none changed the elongation of the display horizontally, and accordingly they all fill the display. I have a feeling that if I could enter the right resolution, then the display would NOT elongate horizontally. Right? And then, a circle would remain a circle. A skinny face would remain a skinny face. Etc.

Are U saying that I should search out more uptodate drivers for this video card (AGP), in the hope of coming up with the correct resolution?

I have read of a term ‘aspect ratio’. Is that involved here? If so, is that something I can change? And if so, how?

Do you guys have any answers for me?
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Charlie Choc
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:44:32 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:05:55 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:29:47 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I just bought a 22" wide-screen LCD monitor, and am playing with photos. Right off the bat I notice that the photos are elongated horizontally (to fill the full screen-width I guess). As a result, I have to agree that ‘What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print’.

What is your screen resolution set to. If it is not the correct aspect ratio for your monitor it will look distorted. You may need a new driver and/or video card to get the resolution you need.

In ControlPanel>Display, I have it set to 1600X1200.
I chose that from these available choices:
800X600
1024X768
1152X864
1280X768
1280X960
1280X1024
1600X1200 <<<===
1792X1344
1800X1440
1856X1392
1920X1080
1920X1200
1920X1440
2048X1536
My video card is a RADEON 9200 PRO SEC.
What does your monitor documentation say about the monitor resolution to use?

1600×1200 is a regular 4:3 aspect ratio, just like 1280×1024, 1024×768, 800×600, etc. That will give you an elongated image on a widescreen. Try 1920×1200. That’s what I use with my 24" Dell and there is no distortion. —
Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
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Jethro
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:04:38 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:44:32 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:05:55 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:29:47 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I just bought a 22" wide-screen LCD monitor, and am playing with photos. Right off the bat I notice that the photos are elongated horizontally (to fill the full screen-width I guess). As a result, I have to agree that ‘What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print’.

What is your screen resolution set to. If it is not the correct aspect ratio for your monitor it will look distorted. You may need a new driver and/or video card to get the resolution you need.

In ControlPanel>Display, I have it set to 1600X1200.
I chose that from these available choices:
800X600
1024X768
1152X864
1280X768
1280X960
1280X1024
1600X1200 <<<===
1792X1344
1800X1440
1856X1392
1920X1080
1920X1200
1920X1440
2048X1536
My video card is a RADEON 9200 PRO SEC.
What does your monitor documentation say about the monitor resolution to use?

Nothing that I see. About 20 pages 18 of which are non-English. I have written down for whence I know not that it has a native resolution of 1680X1050, but that is not one of my selectable choices. I don’t think I can enter a manual resolution can I? I know not how to do that.

1600×1200 is a regular 4:3 aspect ratio, just like 1280×1024, 1024×768, 800×600, etc. That will give you an elongated image on a widescreen. Try 1920×1200. That’s what I use with my 24" Dell and there is no distortion.

1920X1200 still produced an elongated screen, but worse – the left part of the screen is not viewable. I set it back to 1600X1200.
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Charlie Choc
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:45:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I have written down for whence I know not that it has a native resolution of 1680X1050, but that is not one of my selectable choices.

1920×1200 is the same aspect ratio as 1680×1050. FWIW

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
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Jethro
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:02:38 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:45:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I have written down for whence I know not that it has a native resolution of 1680X1050, but that is not one of my selectable choices.

1920×1200 is the same aspect ratio as 1680×1050. FWIW

Yeh but I can’t select either one.
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Charlie Choc
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:09:24 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:02:38 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:45:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I have written down for whence I know not that it has a native resolution of 1680X1050, but that is not one of my selectable choices.

1920×1200 is the same aspect ratio as 1680×1050. FWIW

Yeh but I can’t select either one.

You probably need to contact your monitor manufacturer.

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
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Jethro
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:22:39 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:09:24 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:02:38 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:45:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I have written down for whence I know not that it has a native resolution of 1680X1050, but that is not one of my selectable choices.

1920×1200 is the same aspect ratio as 1680×1050. FWIW

Yeh but I can’t select either one.

You probably need to contact your monitor manufacturer.

Yeh – I found and downloaded a RADEON 9200 PRO set of ‘current’ drivers and they won’t install for a bunch of reasons including the fact that I am not an Administrator, and I AM. I’m the ONLY user,

Thanks

Jethro
LA
Loren Amelang
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:44:32 GMT, Jethro wrote:
I just bought a 22" wide-screen LCD monitor, and am playing with photos. Right off the bat I notice that the photos are elongated horizontally (to fill the full screen-width I guess). As a result, I have to agree that ‘What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print’.

In ControlPanel>Display, I have it set to 1600X1200.
I chose that from these available choices:
800X600
1024X768
1152X864
1280X768
….

I have tried several of these resolution choices. While the choice affected the icon and text sizes on the displays, none changed the elongation of the display horizontally, and accordingly they all fill the display.

Sounds like somewhere down in the depths of the display’s menu system it is set to "always fill the full display area". If you have any interest in photo-realism, you probably want to turn that off. There may be a choice to "preserve aspect ratio", and there is almost certainly a choice to show "actual pixels".

I have a feeling that if I could enter the right
resolution, then the display would NOT elongate horizontally. Right?

Very likely. My system (Intel 815 graphics) did not show the 1680×1050 choice until I plugged in my Dell 2005FPW. Then it suddely appeared in the list, and choosing it worked perfectly. In your list, 1280×768 should show the proper aspect ratio, even if it is scaled up to fill your screen (if it really is 1680×1050 native), but the scaled pixels will of course look blocky.

And then, a circle would remain a circle. A skinny face would remain a skinny face. Etc.

Well, on my Dell that is true for analog VGA and DVI inputs, but for the RCA and S-Video inputs there is no combination of settings that will show a proper aspect ratio. Dell doesn’t consider this a problem at all…

Are U saying that I should search out more uptodate drivers for this video card (AGP), in the hope of coming up with the correct resolution?

That is your best shot at filling your whole screen correctly. Chip vendor drivers (ATI) generally provide more capable drivers and more frequent updates than computer builders, or Windows itself. Probably as part of a 20 or 30 MB download…

I have read of a term ‘aspect ratio’. Is that involved here?

Precisely. Somehow most people these days seem quite tolerant of improper aspect ratio. I’m always amazed to find people I thought were tech-savvy watching 4:3 video stretched to fill their 16:9 widescreen TVs. They’d rather see fat people than black bars. Guess it makes them feel better about thier own weight issues.

Loren
CC
Charlie Choc
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:31:58 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:22:39 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

You probably need to contact your monitor manufacturer.

Yeh – I found and downloaded a RADEON 9200 PRO set of ‘current’ drivers and they won’t install for a bunch of reasons including the fact that I am not an Administrator, and I AM. I’m the ONLY user,
You need to contact your *monitor* manufacturer, not the video card manufacturer.

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
LA
Loren Amelang
Jan 5, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:54:30 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:31:58 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:22:39 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:
You probably need to contact your monitor manufacturer.

Yeh – I found and downloaded a RADEON 9200 PRO set of ‘current’ drivers and they won’t install for a bunch of reasons including the fact that I am not an Administrator, and I AM. I’m the ONLY user,
You need to contact your *monitor* manufacturer, not the video card manufacturer.

After thinking about this, it may be good advice. You still need a graphics driver from ATI that knows how to do 1680×1050, no matter what. But it may not show you the 1680×1050 choice unless it sees that a 1680×1050 capable display is connected.

I can’t remember now whether my 1680×1050 option appeared immediately when my Dell connector was inserted, or only after I "installed" the display using the CD that came with it. It is more likely it was a display driver from Dell that made the difference, since I don’t believe analog VGA is a two-way connection.

If your particular display manufacturer is no help, I suspect "installing" any brand of 1680×1050 capable display would enable the 1680×1050 choice. Just download a driver for a display you don’t even own and try it… I can’t see that my display driver did anything else beyond enabling that resolution choice. (Another case of vendors trying to make computing simpler…)

Loren
TC
Tony Cooper
Jan 6, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:55:32 +0000, Derek Fountain
wrote:

Looks like a Samsung SM940T is the most suitable for what I need. I don’t suppose anyone is using one who can vouch for it as a Photoshop-friendly device?

I’m using a Samsung SM931b (not a wide screen) and love it. I’m almost afraid to post this since someone will be along soon and tell me that the SM931b is total crap and the worst choice.



Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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Jethro
Jan 6, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:52:09 -0800, Loren Amelang
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:44:32 GMT, Jethro wrote:
I just bought a 22" wide-screen LCD monitor, and am playing with photos. Right off the bat I notice that the photos are elongated horizontally (to fill the full screen-width I guess). As a result, I have to agree that ‘What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print’.

In ControlPanel>Display, I have it set to 1600X1200.
I chose that from these available choices:
800X600
1024X768
1152X864
1280X768


I have tried several of these resolution choices. While the choice affected the icon and text sizes on the displays, none changed the elongation of the display horizontally, and accordingly they all fill the display.

Sounds like somewhere down in the depths of the display’s menu system it is set to "always fill the full display area". If you have any interest in photo-realism, you probably want to turn that off. There may be a choice to "preserve aspect ratio", and there is almost certainly a choice to show "actual pixels".

I have a feeling that if I could enter the right
resolution, then the display would NOT elongate horizontally. Right?

Very likely. My system (Intel 815 graphics) did not show the 1680×1050 choice until I plugged in my Dell 2005FPW. Then it suddely appeared in the list, and choosing it worked perfectly. In your list, 1280×768 should show the proper aspect ratio, even if it is scaled up to fill your screen (if it really is 1680×1050 native), but the scaled pixels will of course look blocky.

And then, a circle would remain a circle. A skinny face would remain a skinny face. Etc.

Well, on my Dell that is true for analog VGA and DVI inputs, but for the RCA and S-Video inputs there is no combination of settings that will show a proper aspect ratio. Dell doesn’t consider this a problem at all…

Are U saying that I should search out more uptodate drivers for this video card (AGP), in the hope of coming up with the correct resolution?

That is your best shot at filling your whole screen correctly. Chip vendor drivers (ATI) generally provide more capable drivers and more frequent updates than computer builders, or Windows itself. Probably as part of a 20 or 30 MB download…

I have read of a term ‘aspect ratio’. Is that involved here?

Precisely. Somehow most people these days seem quite tolerant of improper aspect ratio. I’m always amazed to find people I thought were tech-savvy watching 4:3 video stretched to fill their 16:9 widescreen TVs. They’d rather see fat people than black bars. Guess it makes them feel better about thier own weight issues.

Loren

Yeh – I have a few friends that have had same problem and they live with it. I should have bought a regular LCD monitor, not wide screen. I have spent two days trying to download up to date drivers for my video card and my monitor – have not succeeded yet as I described earlier. Today’s another day.

Thanks

Jethro
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Jethro
Jan 6, 2007
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:22:39 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:09:24 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:02:38 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:45:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I have written down for whence I know not that it has a native resolution of 1680X1050, but that is not one of my selectable choices.

1920×1200 is the same aspect ratio as 1680×1050. FWIW

Yeh but I can’t select either one.

You probably need to contact your monitor manufacturer.

I finally was able to download/install a set of ATI drivers for this RADEON 9200 PRO AGP video card. It provided a few more resolution choices in Control Panel>Display>Settings. Not 1689X1050, however. It did provide 1920X1200, so I tried it, It produced a desktop display too wide for the screen – the left two columns of desktop icons were off the screen! I could work over to them however, using the mouse. But that’s not good. I’ll try some of the other new resolutions I spotted.

Thanks

Jethro
J
Jethro
Jan 6, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:33:17 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:22:39 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:09:24 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:02:38 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:45:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I have written down for whence I know not that it has a native resolution of 1680X1050, but that is not one of my selectable choices.

1920×1200 is the same aspect ratio as 1680×1050. FWIW

Yeh but I can’t select either one.

You probably need to contact your monitor manufacturer.

I finally was able to download/install a set of ATI drivers for this RADEON 9200 PRO AGP video card. It provided a few more resolution choices in Control Panel>Display>Settings. Not 1689X1050, however. It did provide 1920X1200, so I tried it, It produced a desktop display too wide for the screen – the left two columns of desktop icons were off the screen! I could work over to them however, using the mouse. But that’s not good. I’ll try some of the other new resolutions I spotted.

Thanks

Jethro

I found three new resolutions, all of which I tried with no good results:
1280X720
1360X768
1360X1024

BTW – In my prior post I meant 1680X1050 not 1689X1050 – sorry Thanks

Jethro
CC
Charlie Choc
Jan 6, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:44:32 GMT, Jethro wrote:

BTW – In my prior post I meant 1680X1050 not 1689X1050 – sorry

1680×1050 is an 8:5 aspect ratio. If you divide the width by the height of your available choices, any combination that gives 1.6 as a result should be the right proportions.

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
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Jethro
Jan 6, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:34:09 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:44:32 GMT, Jethro wrote:

BTW – In my prior post I meant 1680X1050 not 1689X1050 – sorry

1680×1050 is an 8:5 aspect ratio. If you divide the width by the height of your available choices, any combination that gives 1.6 as a result should be the right proportions.

1920X1200 fits that bill. So I tried it. Opened Pshop – created a new window – rendered it 5X5 to make it square – drew a filled (black) circle – printed it – it produced a vertical ellipse. I imagine the result was that way because it wanted to squeeze the elongated total window width on my wide screen to the 8 1/2" paper width. So that’s no good. Further – the maximum window sizes will not fit on the screen, and so the window jumps all over the place as I try to point to the window side edges. That’s no good either,

Thanks

Jethro
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Charlie Choc
Jan 6, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:40:21 GMT, Jethro wrote:

1920X1200 fits that bill. So I tried it.

Your monitor won’t display 1920×1200. You need a resolution equal to or smaller than 1680×1050.

Your issues are with your *monitor* not your display adapter. I have an ATI RADEON and 1920×1200 displays perfectly on my monitor, but your monitor apparently can’t handle that resolution and you need to find one that it can handle with the proper aspect ratio.

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
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Jethro
Jan 6, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:49:00 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:40:21 GMT, Jethro wrote:

1920X1200 fits that bill. So I tried it.

Your monitor won’t display 1920×1200. You need a resolution equal to or smaller than 1680×1050.

Your issues are with your *monitor* not your display adapter. I have an ATI RADEON and 1920×1200 displays perfectly on my monitor, but your monitor apparently can’t handle that resolution and you need to find one that it can handle with the proper aspect ratio.

The only ControlPanel>Display>Settings>resolution of those that are available to me that produce the desired situation that a round circle stays a round circle is 1280X768. All the others print an ellipse from a circle of one level of elongation or another. So I guess I should stick to that.

What do I lose by not using one of the higher resolution settings (e.g.1600X1200)? In other words, should I consider using 1280X768 ONLY for graphics (pictures), but use a higher setting otherwise? That would require accessing ControlPanel>Display>Settings some, but if it would be worth it, I guess I could do it.

Thanks for your interest

Jethro
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Charlie Choc
Jan 6, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:47:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

What do I lose by not using one of the higher resolution settings (e.g.1600X1200)?

Higher resolution will give more details, but that’s pretty useless if things are distorted. If you don’t want to check with the monitor manufacturer to see if they have any better ideas you should stick with 1280×768. —
Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
J
Jethro
Jan 6, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:57:13 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:47:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

What do I lose by not using one of the higher resolution settings (e.g.1600X1200)?

Higher resolution will give more details, but that’s pretty useless if things are distorted. If you don’t want to check with the monitor manufacturer to see if they have any better ideas you should stick with 1280×768.

Oh I thought I said – I e-mailed ACER. No reply, but it is weekend. Maybe they will come through with something.

Thanks again

Jethro
CC
Charlie Choc
Jan 6, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:15:37 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Oh I thought I said – I e-mailed ACER. No reply, but it is weekend. Maybe they will come through with something.
If you have their 22" widescreen (Al2216W), did you download and install the file from here?
http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal20.cfm?recordid =3664&formid=3394&website=AcerPanAm.com/us&sitei d=7293&words=all&keywords=&areaid=7

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
J
Jethro
Jan 6, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:11:45 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:15:37 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Oh I thought I said – I e-mailed ACER. No reply, but it is weekend. Maybe they will come through with something.
If you have their 22" widescreen (Al2216W), did you download and install the file from here?
http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal20.cfm?recordid =3664&formid=3394&website=AcerPanAm.com/us&sitei d=7293&words=all&keywords=&areaid=7

No

I have the ACER AL2234WD. Do you have the URL for that model by chance? I would appreciate it if you do.

Thanks

Jethro
CC
Charlie Choc
Jan 6, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:02:51 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:11:45 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:15:37 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Oh I thought I said – I e-mailed ACER. No reply, but it is weekend. Maybe they will come through with something.
If you have their 22" widescreen (Al2216W), did you download and install the file from here?
http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal20.cfm?recordid =3664&formid=3394&website=AcerPanAm.com/us&sitei d=7293&words=all&keywords=&areaid=7

No

I have the ACER AL2234WD. Do you have the URL for that model by chance? I would appreciate it if you do.
Go to www.acerpanam.com and search from there.

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:09:34 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:02:51 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:11:45 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:15:37 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Oh I thought I said – I e-mailed ACER. No reply, but it is weekend. Maybe they will come through with something.
If you have their 22" widescreen (Al2216W), did you download and install the file from here?
http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal20.cfm?recordid =3664&formid=3394&website=AcerPanAm.com/us&sitei d=7293&words=all&keywords=&areaid=7

No

I have the ACER AL2234WD. Do you have the URL for that model by chance? I would appreciate it if you do.
Go to www.acerpanam.com and search from there.

Oh – I had been there before – I got ‘nothing found’ for this monitor. So I gave up trying to get something that way from ACER.

Thanks again

Jethro
CC
Charlie Choc
Jan 7, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:05:30 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:09:34 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:02:51 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:11:45 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:15:37 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Oh I thought I said – I e-mailed ACER. No reply, but it is weekend. Maybe they will come through with something.
If you have their 22" widescreen (Al2216W), did you download and install the file from here?
http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal20.cfm?recordid =3664&formid=3394&website=AcerPanAm.com/us&sitei d=7293&words=all&keywords=&areaid=7

No

I have the ACER AL2234WD. Do you have the URL for that model by chance? I would appreciate it if you do.
Go to www.acerpanam.com and search from there.

Oh – I had been there before – I got ‘nothing found’ for this monitor. So I gave up trying to get something that way from ACER.
A Google search for that monitor doesn’t turn up anything either – apparently your monitor doesn’t exist.

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:24:09 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:05:30 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:09:34 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:02:51 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:11:45 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:15:37 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Oh I thought I said – I e-mailed ACER. No reply, but it is weekend. Maybe they will come through with something.
If you have their 22" widescreen (Al2216W), did you download and install the file from here?
http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal20.cfm?recordid =3664&formid=3394&website=AcerPanAm.com/us&sitei d=7293&words=all&keywords=&areaid=7

No

I have the ACER AL2234WD. Do you have the URL for that model by chance? I would appreciate it if you do.
Go to www.acerpanam.com and search from there.

Oh – I had been there before – I got ‘nothing found’ for this monitor. So I gave up trying to get something that way from ACER.
A Google search for that monitor doesn’t turn up anything either – apparently your monitor doesn’t exist.

Oh great! Got it from Tiger. No wonder. I never learn.

Jethro
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Rob
Jan 7, 2007
Jethro wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:29:47 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:05:34 +1100, Rob wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:37:35 +0000, Derek Fountain
wrote:

Is anyone using a widescreen monitor for Photoshop work? I don’t have room on my desk for 2 monitors, but I could fit one of these. My assumption would be that the wide screen is a useful thing to have, and I can’t think of any drawbacks. Can anyone confirm they’re worth the extra outlay?

When I was recently shopping for a new monitor I made some in-store comparisons. It seemed to me that the wide-screens distorted the image slightly by squeezing it top-to-bottom. It wouldn’t be a problem for viewing most things, but I think it would in Photoshop projects. What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print.

I should point out that the above is personal opinion and was observed using images that weren’t loaded in Photoshop.

The store doesn’t have the screen drivers loaded to make the corrections.

Can you tell me what you get for ‘uptodate’ screen drivers? What dies such a driver really do?

I just bought a 22" wide-screen LCD monitor, and am playing with photos. Right off the bat I notice that the photos are elongated horizontally (to fill the full screen-width I guess). As a result, I have to agree that ‘What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print’. In fact, the photos are NOT elongated on the printed paper, and so look quite good,
proportionally, to the original – BUT NOT QUITE THE SAME AS THE SCREEN IMAGE. It even causes me to wonder if I draw a circle on the screen, and then print it, will I still get a circle? I haven’t done that yet, but I plan to.

I don’t know how much this distortion would affect trying to edit photos in Pshop, but I fear it might. I am sitting here trying to decide if I made a wrong move buying the widescreen LCD, since I wanted to use it in part for photo editing.

This is why I ask you – would a correct screen driver render a screen image without elongation? And how would it show up? Would the screen window itself be what it used to be on my old VGA monitor? Namely quite square?

Now maybe I am ‘way off-base here, and the image-elongation would not negatively affect me. What do you think about all this? Should widescreens be used for graphic editing?

Thanks

Jethro

I just made a test in Pshop. I created a new window with a close to perfect circle in it. The circle was filled with black. I printed it and lo – I got a vertical ellipse, not a circle. This, despite the fact that print preview showed the perfect circle. I really expected this, and it seems logical that this would happen, since the printed image was not wide. But if WHYSINWYG. then how can one do effective editing?

Thanks

Jethro

The screen should be 1680×1050 pixels, not a stretched screen to fill, by putting the incorrect size into display properties it becomes available. the 205 Samsung is also 1680×1050.

Screen drivers will fill LCD screens to there correct proportions.

Anyway I don’t see much point in buying wide screens at present as two 19" screens are slightly more expensive $500 V’s $600 and its better value. Even a 19" is better value. A 19" LCD is almost the same size as a 21"CRT and the 21 CRT was the standard for years.
R
Rob
Jan 7, 2007
Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:05:55 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:29:47 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I just bought a 22" wide-screen LCD monitor, and am playing with photos. Right off the bat I notice that the photos are elongated horizontally (to fill the full screen-width I guess). As a result, I have to agree that ‘What you see on a wide-screen might not be what you’d see on another screen or in print’.

What is your screen resolution set to. If it is not the correct aspect ratio for your monitor it will look distorted. You may need a new driver and/or video card to get the resolution you need.

In ControlPanel>Display, I have it set to 1600X1200.
I chose that from these available choices:
800X600
1024X768
1152X864
1280X768
1280X960
1280X1024
1600X1200 <<<===
1792X1344
1800X1440
1856X1392
1920X1080
1920X1200
1920X1440
2048X1536
My video card is a RADEON 9200 PRO SEC.

I have tried several of these resolution choices. While the choice affected the icon and text sizes on the displays, none changed the elongation of the display horizontally, and accordingly they all fill the display. I have a feeling that if I could enter the right resolution, then the display would NOT elongate horizontally. Right? And then, a circle would remain a circle. A skinny face would remain a skinny face. Etc.

Are U saying that I should search out more uptodate drivers for this video card (AGP), in the hope of coming up with the correct resolution?

I have read of a term ‘aspect ratio’. Is that involved here? If so, is that something I can change? And if so, how?

Do you guys have any answers for me?

Well thats not correct as the screen you have will be 1680×1050 and this is on the CD that came with the screen.
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Rob
Jan 7, 2007
Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:22:39 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:09:24 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:02:38 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:45:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I have written down for whence I know not that it has a native resolution of 1680X1050, but that is not one of my selectable choices.

1920×1200 is the same aspect ratio as 1680×1050. FWIW

Yeh but I can’t select either one.

You probably need to contact your monitor manufacturer.

Yeh – I found and downloaded a RADEON 9200 PRO set of ‘current’ drivers and they won’t install for a bunch of reasons including the fact that I am not an Administrator, and I AM. I’m the ONLY user,
Thanks

Jethro

NO the drivers for the screen you need.
R
Rob
Jan 7, 2007
Tony Cooper wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:55:32 +0000, Derek Fountain
wrote:

Looks like a Samsung SM940T is the most suitable for what I need. I don’t suppose anyone is using one who can vouch for it as a Photoshop-friendly device?

I’m using a Samsung SM931b (not a wide screen) and love it. I’m almost afraid to post this since someone will be along soon and tell me that the SM931b is total crap and the worst choice.
Samsung make heaps of screen for other parties including Dell.
R
Rob
Jan 7, 2007
Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:22:39 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:09:24 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:02:38 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:45:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I have written down for whence I know not that it has a native resolution of 1680X1050, but that is not one of my selectable choices.

1920×1200 is the same aspect ratio as 1680×1050. FWIW

Yeh but I can’t select either one.

You probably need to contact your monitor manufacturer.

I finally was able to download/install a set of ATI drivers for this RADEON 9200 PRO AGP video card. It provided a few more resolution choices in Control Panel>Display>Settings. Not 1689X1050, however. It did provide 1920X1200, so I tried it, It produced a desktop display too wide for the screen – the left two columns of desktop icons were off the screen! I could work over to them however, using the mouse. But that’s not good. I’ll try some of the other new resolutions I spotted.

Thanks

Jethro

It should have the native resolution as the others are unsharp.
R
Rob
Jan 7, 2007
Jethro wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:24:09 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:05:30 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:09:34 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:02:51 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:11:45 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:15:37 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Oh I thought I said – I e-mailed ACER. No reply, but it is weekend. Maybe they will come through with something.

If you have their 22" widescreen (Al2216W), did you download and install the file from here?
http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal20.cfm?recordid =3664&formid=3394&website=AcerPanAm.com/us&sitei d=7293&words=all&keywords=&areaid=7

No

I have the ACER AL2234WD. Do you have the URL for that model by chance? I would appreciate it if you do.

Go to www.acerpanam.com and search from there.

Oh – I had been there before – I got ‘nothing found’ for this monitor. So I gave up trying to get something that way from ACER.

A Google search for that monitor doesn’t turn up anything either – apparently your monitor doesn’t exist.

Oh great! Got it from Tiger. No wonder. I never learn.
Jethro

And they don’t list it either.

you could try to download the driver for another 22"Acer LCD – AL2216W

AL2216W.zip
File Size: 6.572 KB

that may work or you could ask tiger where the CD is that should come with the screen. Check with the manual what should have been supplied with the monitor.
CC
Charlie Choc
Jan 7, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:54:04 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I have the ACER AL2234WD. Do you have the URL for that model by

Oh great! Got it from Tiger. No wonder. I never learn.
I don’t see an AL2234 on the Tiger site, sure you got the model number right? —
Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
Review of my experiences and understanding:

1) ACER still has not answered my e-mail for help.
2) I did not receive a CD with the monitor.
The manual is printed in China, about 20 small pages long, and only has 2 pages in English that say practically nothing including no phone contact or URL.
3) Tiger says ACER would have to supply any CD.
4) This AL2223WD monitor has nothing to download on ACER’s site www.acerpanam.com
5) As I said before,
In Control Panel>Display, I have resolution set to 1600X1200. I chose that from these available choices:
800X600
1024X768
1152X864
1280X768
1280X960
1280X1024
1600X1200
1792X1344
1800X1440
1856X1392
1920X1080
1920X1200
1920X1440
2048X1536
My video card is a RADEON 9200 PRO SEC.
6) I found one downloadable driver for the video card and installed it even though I think what I really need are driver(s) for the monitor, with which news group respondents agree.
7) It added these resolutions to the above:
1280X720
1360X768
1360X1024
8) Every monitor apparently has what they call its ‘native resolution’. Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for this monitor is 1680X1024. I have not been able to find where I got that – but I have it written down as a note. Some news group respondents agree. That spec is NOT in the above list of resolutions.
9) 800X600 and 1024X768 are holdovers from the early days of 14-15" VGA monitors. The rest have evolved from the rapid
availability of the present-day larger VGA monitors and LCD’s – plus the wide screens.
10) If I understand things right, these numbers are the pixel combos (W X H) and their ratios (W / H) are their aspect ratios. Supposedly the desired ratio for this LCD is 1.6. Only a few of the above resolutions fit that bill. 1680X1024 does (which I don’t have) , and so does 1280X768 (which I do have). Other 1.6 ratios create a screen too big to fit. Sharpness apparently is proportional to the number size, so that the larger numbers should produce better screen images, which would be good for me what with my old eyes.
11) Of course the larger the resolution numbers, the smaller the icons, etc, on the screen. Many resolutions with the larger numbers even produce a screen which is off the screen and unusable. When I try the larger numbers, I have to use Control Panel’s Settings to enlarge the icons and texts so I can see them, and that works. I end up with sizes pretty much the same as what 1280X768 gives me.
12) 1680X1024 then should give me equally good results, but sharper. But I don’t have it. Would that I did.
13) I have settled with 1280X768 for now. I would like to try 1680X1024 one day.
14) One thing about 1.6 – every1.6 resolution I tried seemed to eliminate my ‘circle’ (better described as distortion) problem. That is, I can scan a printed circle – display the result as a perfect circle – and print it again as a perfect circle. Hence no more fat faces.

Any comments?

Thanks for everyone’s interest and helps.

Jethro
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
Review of my experiences and understanding:

1) ACER still has not answered my e-mail for help.
2) I did not receive a CD with the monitor.
The manual is printed in China, about 20 small pages long, and only has 2 pages in English that say practically nothing including no phone contact or URL.
3) Tiger says ACER would have to supply any CD.
4) This AL2223WD monitor has nothing to download on ACER’s site www.acerpanam.com
5) As I said before,
In Control Panel>Display, I have resolution set to 1600X1200. I chose that from these available choices:
800X600
1024X768
1152X864
1280X768
1280X960
1280X1024
1600X1200
1792X1344
1800X1440
1856X1392
1920X1080
1920X1200
1920X1440
2048X1536
My video card is a RADEON 9200 PRO SEC.
6) I found one downloadable driver for the video card and installed it even though I think what I really need are driver(s) for the monitor, with which news group respondents agree.
7) It added these resolutions to the above:
1280X720
1360X768
1360X1024
8) Every monitor apparently has what they call its ‘native resolution’. Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for this monitor is 1680X1024. I have not been able to find where I got that – but I have it written down as a note. Some news group respondents agree. That spec is NOT in the above list of resolutions.
9) 800X600 and 1024X768 are holdovers from the early days of 14-15" VGA monitors. The rest have evolved from the rapid
availability of the present-day larger VGA monitors and LCD’s – plus the wide screens.
10) If I understand things right, these numbers are the pixel combos (W X H) and their ratios (W / H) are their aspect ratios. Supposedly the desired ratio for this LCD is 1.6. Only a few of the above resolutions fit that bill. 1680X1024 does (which I don’t have) , and so does 1280X768 (which I do have). Other 1.6 ratios create a screen too big to fit. Sharpness apparently is proportional to the number size, so that the larger numbers should produce better screen images, which would be good for me what with my old eyes.
11) Of course the larger the resolution numbers, the smaller the icons, etc, on the screen. Many resolutions with the larger numbers even produce a screen which is off the screen and unusable. When I try the larger numbers, I have to use Control Panel’s Settings to enlarge the icons and texts so I can see them, and that works. I end up with sizes pretty much the same as what 1280X768 gives me.
12) 1680X1024 then should give me equally good results, but sharper. But I don’t have it. Would that I did.
13) I have settled with 1280X768 for now. I would like to try 1680X1024 one day.
14) One thing about 1.6 – every1.6 resolution I tried seemed to eliminate my ‘circle’ (better described as distortion) problem. That is, I can scan a printed circle – display the result as a perfect circle – and print it again as a perfect circle. Hence no more fat faces.

Any comments?

Thanks for everyone’s interest and helps.

Jethro
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:22:10 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:54:04 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I have the ACER AL2234WD. Do you have the URL for that model by

Oh great! Got it from Tiger. No wonder. I never learn.
I don’t see an AL2234 on the Tiger site, sure you got the model number right?

Yeh – Dang

I meant AT2223WD

Sorry

Jethro
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
Dang again

It is AL2223WD AL2223WD
AL2223WD AL2223WD
Senility has set in – sorry.
Jethro

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:22:35 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:22:10 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:54:04 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I have the ACER AL2234WD. Do you have the URL for that model by

Oh great! Got it from Tiger. No wonder. I never learn.
I don’t see an AL2234 on the Tiger site, sure you got the model number right?

Yeh – Dang

I meant AT2223WD

Sorry

Jethro
CC
Charlie Choc
Jan 7, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:54:56 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Dang again

It is AL2223WD AL2223WD

I’d suggest trying the driver for the other monitor I sent you the link for – it may enable the resolution you need.

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:52:41 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:54:56 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Dang again

It is AL2223WD AL2223WD

I’d suggest trying the driver for the other monitor I sent you the link for – it may enable the resolution you need.

I did (AL2216W). My Device Manager said before I started that I had a ‘default monitor’. I initiated it to get the new driver, and it tried but said it could not use it for the monitor and left things intact.

Thanks anyway.

We try, huh?

Jethro
YD
yodel_dodel
Jan 7, 2007
Jethro wrote:

Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for
this monitor is 1680 X 1024.

No, the resolution of the AL2223WD, according to
http://www.acerpanam.com/ is 1680 x 1050 !

The monitor AL2216W has the same specifications _and_ it has a driver on http://www.acerpanam.com/ . Give it a try.


Gregor mit dem Motorrad auf Reisen
http://hothaus.de/greg-tour/
YD
yodel_dodel
Jan 7, 2007
Jethro wrote:

Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for
this monitor is 1680 X 1024.

No, the resolution of the AL2223WD, according to
http://www.acerpanam.com/ is 1680 x 1050 !

The monitor AL2216W has the same specifications _and_ it has a driver on http://www.acerpanam.com/ . Give it a try.


Gregor mit dem Motorrad auf Reisen
http://hothaus.de/greg-tour/
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:45:21 +0100, "Greg N." wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for
this monitor is 1680 X 1024.

No, the resolution of the AL2223WD, according to
http://www.acerpanam.com/ is 1680 x 1050 !

You’re right – I wrote it wrong.

The monitor AL2216W has the same specifications _and_ it has a driver on http://www.acerpanam.com/ . Give it a try.

As I tried to say earlier today – I did but it didn’t install for me.

Thanks

Jethro
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:45:21 +0100, "Greg N." wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for
this monitor is 1680 X 1024.

No, the resolution of the AL2223WD, according to
http://www.acerpanam.com/ is 1680 x 1050 !

You’re right – I wrote it wrong.

The monitor AL2216W has the same specifications _and_ it has a driver on http://www.acerpanam.com/ . Give it a try.

As I tried to say earlier today – I did but it didn’t install for me.

Thanks

Jethro
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:45:21 +0100, "Greg N." wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for
this monitor is 1680 X 1024.

No, the resolution of the AL2223WD, according to
http://www.acerpanam.com/ is 1680 x 1050 !

You’re right – I wrote it wrong.

The monitor AL2216W has the same specifications _and_ it has a driver on http://www.acerpanam.com/ . Give it a try.

As I tried to say earlier today – I did but it didn’t install for me.

Thanks

Jethro
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:45:21 +0100, "Greg N." wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for
this monitor is 1680 X 1024.

No, the resolution of the AL2223WD, according to
http://www.acerpanam.com/ is 1680 x 1050 !

You’re right – I wrote it wrong.

The monitor AL2216W has the same specifications _and_ it has a driver on http://www.acerpanam.com/ . Give it a try.

As I tried to say earlier today – I did but it didn’t install for me.

Thanks

Jethro
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
Correction!

Review of my experiences and understanding:

1) ACER still has not answered my e-mail for help.
2) I did not receive a CD with the monitor.
The manual is printed in China, about 20 small pages long, and only has 2 pages in English that say practically nothing including no phone contact or URL.
3) Tiger says ACER would have to supply any CD.
4) This AL2223WD monitor has nothing to download on ACER’s site www.acerpanam.com
5) As I said before,
In Control Panel>Display, I have resolution set to 1600X1200. I chose that from these available choices:
800X600
1024X768
1152X864
1280X768
1280X960
1280X1024
1600X1200
1792X1344
1800X1440
1856X1392
1920X1080
1920X1200
1920X1440
2048X1536
My video card is a RADEON 9200 PRO SEC.
6) I found one downloadable driver for the video card and installed it even though I think what I really need are driver(s) for the monitor, with which news group respondents agree.
7) It added these resolutions to the above:
1280X720
1360X768
1360X1024
8) Every monitor apparently has what they call its ‘native resolution’. Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for this monitor is
1680X1050. <=================================================
I have not been able to find where I
got that – but I have it written down as a note. Some news group respondents agree. That spec is NOT in the above list of resolutions.
9) 800X600 and 1024X768 are holdovers from the early days of 14-15" VGA monitors. The rest have evolved from the rapid
availability of the present-day larger VGA monitors and LCD’s – plus the wide screens.
10) If I understand things right, these numbers are the pixel combos (W X H) and their ratios (W / H) are their aspect ratios. Supposedly the desired ratio for this LCD is 1.6. Only a few of the above resolutions fit that bill.
1680X1050 <=================================================
does (which I
don’t have) , and so does 1280X768 (which I do have). Other 1.6 ratios create a screen too big to fit. Sharpness apparently is proportional to the number size, so that the larger numbers should produce better screen images, which would be good for me what with my old eyes.
11) Of course the larger the resolution numbers, the smaller the icons, etc, on the screen. Many resolutions with the larger numbers even produce a screen which is off the screen and unusable. When I try the larger numbers, I have to use Control Panel’s Settings to enlarge the icons and texts so I can see them, and that works. I end up with sizes pretty much the same as what 1280X768 gives me.
12)
1680X1050 <==============================================
then should give me equally good results, but sharper.
But I don’t have it. Would that I did.
13) I have settled with 1280X768 for now. I would like to try
1680X1050 <==============================================
one day.
14) One thing about 1.6 – every1.6 resolution I tried seemed to eliminate my ‘circle’ (better described as distortion) problem. That is, I can scan a printed circle – display the result as a perfect circle – and print it again as a perfect circle. Hence no more fat faces.

Any comments?

Thanks for everyone’s interest and helps.

Jethro

Senility has taken over on this end I guess

Sorry

Jethro
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
Correction!

Review of my experiences and understanding:

1) ACER still has not answered my e-mail for help.
2) I did not receive a CD with the monitor.
The manual is printed in China, about 20 small pages long, and only has 2 pages in English that say practically nothing including no phone contact or URL.
3) Tiger says ACER would have to supply any CD.
4) This AL2223WD monitor has nothing to download on ACER’s site www.acerpanam.com
5) As I said before,
In Control Panel>Display, I have resolution set to 1600X1200. I chose that from these available choices:
800X600
1024X768
1152X864
1280X768
1280X960
1280X1024
1600X1200
1792X1344
1800X1440
1856X1392
1920X1080
1920X1200
1920X1440
2048X1536
My video card is a RADEON 9200 PRO SEC.
6) I found one downloadable driver for the video card and installed it even though I think what I really need are driver(s) for the monitor, with which news group respondents agree.
7) It added these resolutions to the above:
1280X720
1360X768
1360X1024
8) Every monitor apparently has what they call its ‘native resolution’. Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for this monitor is
1680X1050. <=================================================
I have not been able to find where I
got that – but I have it written down as a note. Some news group respondents agree. That spec is NOT in the above list of resolutions.
9) 800X600 and 1024X768 are holdovers from the early days of 14-15" VGA monitors. The rest have evolved from the rapid
availability of the present-day larger VGA monitors and LCD’s – plus the wide screens.
10) If I understand things right, these numbers are the pixel combos (W X H) and their ratios (W / H) are their aspect ratios. Supposedly the desired ratio for this LCD is 1.6. Only a few of the above resolutions fit that bill.
1680X1050 <=================================================
does (which I
don’t have) , and so does 1280X768 (which I do have). Other 1.6 ratios create a screen too big to fit. Sharpness apparently is proportional to the number size, so that the larger numbers should produce better screen images, which would be good for me what with my old eyes.
11) Of course the larger the resolution numbers, the smaller the icons, etc, on the screen. Many resolutions with the larger numbers even produce a screen which is off the screen and unusable. When I try the larger numbers, I have to use Control Panel’s Settings to enlarge the icons and texts so I can see them, and that works. I end up with sizes pretty much the same as what 1280X768 gives me.
12)
1680X1050 <==============================================
then should give me equally good results, but sharper.
But I don’t have it. Would that I did.
13) I have settled with 1280X768 for now. I would like to try
1680X1050 <==============================================
one day.
14) One thing about 1.6 – every1.6 resolution I tried seemed to eliminate my ‘circle’ (better described as distortion) problem. That is, I can scan a printed circle – display the result as a perfect circle – and print it again as a perfect circle. Hence no more fat faces.

Any comments?

Thanks for everyone’s interest and helps.

Jethro

Senility has taken over on this end I guess

Sorry

Jethro
LA
Loren Amelang
Jan 7, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:46:51 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Review of my experiences and understanding:
….
Sharpness apparently is
proportional to the number size, so that the larger numbers should produce better screen images, which would be good for me what with my old eyes.

That statement _could_ be true, but is very prone to misunderstanding. If you are selecting Display Contol Panel settings lower than your display’s actual pixel dimensions, then yes, as the numbers get bigger, the image gets less blocky (but image features get smaller). Depending on the algorithm in the display’s video chips, a lower pixel resolution that is some rational fraction of the actual dimension may be much better than a higher but irrationally related resolution. Selecting a higher Display Contol Panel setting than your display is natively capable of will almost certainly _not_ improve the image.

A 1:1 pixel-for-pixel relationship is by far the best for putting information on the screen cleanly. But if the pixels are too small your eyes may not be able to use all the available info, so the _usable_ "sharpness" _could_ be better with a bigger, blockier image.

"Sharpness" is a dangerous word. Many people seem to confuse smaller pixels with a "sharper" image. If you show the same 1024×768 image on a 12" notebook screen and a 17" external display, the pixels are indeed less noticeable on the 12" screen – but there is no more visible detail available, so I at least don’t consider that sharper.

Once you factor in your own eyes, I guess the image gets "sharper" until the pixels are so small you can no longer readily see them. Making them any smaller then starts losing you information.

11) Of course the larger the resolution numbers, the smaller the icons, etc, on the screen. Many resolutions with the larger numbers even produce a screen which is off the screen and unusable. When I try the larger numbers, I have to use Control Panel’s Settings to enlarge the icons and texts so I can see them, and that works. I end up with sizes pretty much the same as what 1280X768 gives me.

There are some serious "gotcha’s" in using Windows’ "DPI" and interface element resizing capabilities. Some programs can cope with this, some can’t. Eventually you will end up in some dialog box where some of the enlarged elements don’t fit within the fixed visible window area and there is absolutely no way to access them unless you go undo your enlargement selections. I guess you might be lucky, but remember this when you are staring at a dialog with no OK or Cancel button someday…

Vista was supposed to solve this issue, for Windows itself, at least, making the display truly resolution independent, but I believe that is yet another feature that was left out. It wouldn’t have fixed all the legacy applications with fixed-size dialogs, so maybe no great loss.

Otherwise, I’d say you’ve got it right.

Loren
LA
Loren Amelang
Jan 7, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:46:51 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Review of my experiences and understanding:
….
Sharpness apparently is
proportional to the number size, so that the larger numbers should produce better screen images, which would be good for me what with my old eyes.

That statement _could_ be true, but is very prone to misunderstanding. If you are selecting Display Contol Panel settings lower than your display’s actual pixel dimensions, then yes, as the numbers get bigger, the image gets less blocky (but image features get smaller). Depending on the algorithm in the display’s video chips, a lower pixel resolution that is some rational fraction of the actual dimension may be much better than a higher but irrationally related resolution. Selecting a higher Display Contol Panel setting than your display is natively capable of will almost certainly _not_ improve the image.

A 1:1 pixel-for-pixel relationship is by far the best for putting information on the screen cleanly. But if the pixels are too small your eyes may not be able to use all the available info, so the _usable_ "sharpness" _could_ be better with a bigger, blockier image.

"Sharpness" is a dangerous word. Many people seem to confuse smaller pixels with a "sharper" image. If you show the same 1024×768 image on a 12" notebook screen and a 17" external display, the pixels are indeed less noticeable on the 12" screen – but there is no more visible detail available, so I at least don’t consider that sharper.

Once you factor in your own eyes, I guess the image gets "sharper" until the pixels are so small you can no longer readily see them. Making them any smaller then starts losing you information.

11) Of course the larger the resolution numbers, the smaller the icons, etc, on the screen. Many resolutions with the larger numbers even produce a screen which is off the screen and unusable. When I try the larger numbers, I have to use Control Panel’s Settings to enlarge the icons and texts so I can see them, and that works. I end up with sizes pretty much the same as what 1280X768 gives me.

There are some serious "gotcha’s" in using Windows’ "DPI" and interface element resizing capabilities. Some programs can cope with this, some can’t. Eventually you will end up in some dialog box where some of the enlarged elements don’t fit within the fixed visible window area and there is absolutely no way to access them unless you go undo your enlargement selections. I guess you might be lucky, but remember this when you are staring at a dialog with no OK or Cancel button someday…

Vista was supposed to solve this issue, for Windows itself, at least, making the display truly resolution independent, but I believe that is yet another feature that was left out. It wouldn’t have fixed all the legacy applications with fixed-size dialogs, so maybe no great loss.

Otherwise, I’d say you’ve got it right.

Loren
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:32:35 -0800, Loren Amelang
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:46:51 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Review of my experiences and understanding:

Sharpness apparently is
proportional to the number size, so that the larger numbers should produce better screen images, which would be good for me what with my old eyes.

That statement _could_ be true, but is very prone to misunderstanding. If you are selecting Display Contol Panel settings lower than your display’s actual pixel dimensions, then yes, as the numbers get bigger, the image gets less blocky (but image features get smaller). Depending on the algorithm in the display’s video chips, a lower pixel resolution that is some rational fraction of the actual dimension may be much better than a higher but irrationally related resolution. Selecting a higher Display Contol Panel setting than your display is natively capable of will almost certainly _not_ improve the image.
A 1:1 pixel-for-pixel relationship is by far the best for putting information on the screen cleanly. But if the pixels are too small your eyes may not be able to use all the available info, so the _usable_ "sharpness" _could_ be better with a bigger, blockier image.
"Sharpness" is a dangerous word. Many people seem to confuse smaller pixels with a "sharper" image. If you show the same 1024×768 image on a 12" notebook screen and a 17" external display, the pixels are indeed less noticeable on the 12" screen – but there is no more visible detail available, so I at least don’t consider that sharper.
Once you factor in your own eyes, I guess the image gets "sharper" until the pixels are so small you can no longer readily see them. Making them any smaller then starts losing you information.
11) Of course the larger the resolution numbers, the smaller the icons, etc, on the screen. Many resolutions with the larger numbers even produce a screen which is off the screen and unusable. When I try the larger numbers, I have to use Control Panel’s Settings to enlarge the icons and texts so I can see them, and that works. I end up with sizes pretty much the same as what 1280X768 gives me.

There are some serious "gotcha’s" in using Windows’ "DPI" and interface element resizing capabilities. Some programs can cope with this, some can’t. Eventually you will end up in some dialog box where some of the enlarged elements don’t fit within the fixed visible window area and there is absolutely no way to access them unless you go undo your enlargement selections. I guess you might be lucky, but remember this when you are staring at a dialog with no OK or Cancel button someday…

Vista was supposed to solve this issue, for Windows itself, at least, making the display truly resolution independent, but I believe that is yet another feature that was left out. It wouldn’t have fixed all the legacy applications with fixed-size dialogs, so maybe no great loss.
Otherwise, I’d say you’ve got it right.

Loren

Thank you for your response, Loren.
I appreciate your time.

Now that I have circles staying circles, and I can see my screen’s icons & texts, and so far I can work with graphics, then I will use what I have decided to use, namely 1280X768. Of course, just maybe ACER will see fit to respond to my e-mail tomorrow, being a work-day, and something else will turn up.

Jethro
J
Jethro
Jan 7, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:32:35 -0800, Loren Amelang
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:46:51 GMT, Jethro wrote:

Review of my experiences and understanding:

Sharpness apparently is
proportional to the number size, so that the larger numbers should produce better screen images, which would be good for me what with my old eyes.

That statement _could_ be true, but is very prone to misunderstanding. If you are selecting Display Contol Panel settings lower than your display’s actual pixel dimensions, then yes, as the numbers get bigger, the image gets less blocky (but image features get smaller). Depending on the algorithm in the display’s video chips, a lower pixel resolution that is some rational fraction of the actual dimension may be much better than a higher but irrationally related resolution. Selecting a higher Display Contol Panel setting than your display is natively capable of will almost certainly _not_ improve the image.
A 1:1 pixel-for-pixel relationship is by far the best for putting information on the screen cleanly. But if the pixels are too small your eyes may not be able to use all the available info, so the _usable_ "sharpness" _could_ be better with a bigger, blockier image.
"Sharpness" is a dangerous word. Many people seem to confuse smaller pixels with a "sharper" image. If you show the same 1024×768 image on a 12" notebook screen and a 17" external display, the pixels are indeed less noticeable on the 12" screen – but there is no more visible detail available, so I at least don’t consider that sharper.
Once you factor in your own eyes, I guess the image gets "sharper" until the pixels are so small you can no longer readily see them. Making them any smaller then starts losing you information.
11) Of course the larger the resolution numbers, the smaller the icons, etc, on the screen. Many resolutions with the larger numbers even produce a screen which is off the screen and unusable. When I try the larger numbers, I have to use Control Panel’s Settings to enlarge the icons and texts so I can see them, and that works. I end up with sizes pretty much the same as what 1280X768 gives me.

There are some serious "gotcha’s" in using Windows’ "DPI" and interface element resizing capabilities. Some programs can cope with this, some can’t. Eventually you will end up in some dialog box where some of the enlarged elements don’t fit within the fixed visible window area and there is absolutely no way to access them unless you go undo your enlargement selections. I guess you might be lucky, but remember this when you are staring at a dialog with no OK or Cancel button someday…

Vista was supposed to solve this issue, for Windows itself, at least, making the display truly resolution independent, but I believe that is yet another feature that was left out. It wouldn’t have fixed all the legacy applications with fixed-size dialogs, so maybe no great loss.
Otherwise, I’d say you’ve got it right.

Loren

Thank you for your response, Loren.
I appreciate your time.

Now that I have circles staying circles, and I can see my screen’s icons & texts, and so far I can work with graphics, then I will use what I have decided to use, namely 1280X768. Of course, just maybe ACER will see fit to respond to my e-mail tomorrow, being a work-day, and something else will turn up.

Jethro
R
Rob
Jan 8, 2007
Jethro wrote:
Now that I have circles staying circles, and I can see my screen’s icons & texts, and so far I can work with graphics, then I will use what I have decided to use, namely 1280X768. Of course, just maybe ACER will see fit to respond to my e-mail tomorrow, being a work-day, and something else will turn up.

Jethro

Phone them up

Acer America (USA only)
2641 Orchard Parkway
San Jose, CA 95134
Phone: 408.432.6200
Phone: 1.800.733.2237
Main Fax: 408.922.2933
Sales Fax: 408.922.2698

get onto a person and ask why there is a manual but no drivers up in there support.

If you have not received an email reply ask why!

You may also ask why a driver CD was not included with the screen when you opened the box.
TC
Tony Cooper
Jan 8, 2007
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:19:20 +1100, Rob wrote:

Jethro wrote:
Now that I have circles staying circles, and I can see my screen’s icons & texts, and so far I can work with graphics, then I will use what I have decided to use, namely 1280X768. Of course, just maybe ACER will see fit to respond to my e-mail tomorrow, being a work-day, and something else will turn up.

Jethro

Phone them up

Acer America (USA only)
2641 Orchard Parkway
San Jose, CA 95134
Phone: 408.432.6200
Phone: 1.800.733.2237
Main Fax: 408.922.2933
Sales Fax: 408.922.2698

get onto a person and ask why there is a manual but no drivers up in there support.

If you have not received an email reply ask why!

You may also ask why a driver CD was not included with the screen when you opened the box.

In the photo groups there have been several complaints from people who have purchased "grey market" items from Tiger Direct (the source of this monitor). If it’s a grey market monitor, Acer America may not support the product.



Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
R
Rob
Jan 8, 2007
Tony Cooper wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:19:20 +1100, Rob wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Now that I have circles staying circles, and I can see my screen’s icons & texts, and so far I can work with graphics, then I will use what I have decided to use, namely 1280X768. Of course, just maybe ACER will see fit to respond to my e-mail tomorrow, being a work-day, and something else will turn up.

Jethro

Phone them up

Acer America (USA only)
2641 Orchard Parkway
San Jose, CA 95134
Phone: 408.432.6200
Phone: 1.800.733.2237
Main Fax: 408.922.2933
Sales Fax: 408.922.2698

get onto a person and ask why there is a manual but no drivers up in there support.

If you have not received an email reply ask why!

You may also ask why a driver CD was not included with the screen when you opened the box.

In the photo groups there have been several complaints from people who have purchased "grey market" items from Tiger Direct (the source of this monitor). If it’s a grey market monitor, Acer America may not support the product.

That driver is not up on any other WW Acer sites either.

But sounds like it may have been written in chinese or something and pulled from the original packaging by Tiger.
J
Jethro
Jan 8, 2007
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:19:20 +1100, Rob wrote:

Jethro wrote:
Now that I have circles staying circles, and I can see my screen’s icons & texts, and so far I can work with graphics, then I will use what I have decided to use, namely 1280X768. Of course, just maybe ACER will see fit to respond to my e-mail tomorrow, being a work-day, and something else will turn up.

Jethro

Phone them up

Acer America (USA only)
2641 Orchard Parkway
San Jose, CA 95134
Phone: 408.432.6200
Phone: 1.800.733.2237
Main Fax: 408.922.2933
Sales Fax: 408.922.2698

get onto a person and ask why there is a manual but no drivers up in there support.

If you have not received an email reply ask why!

You may also ask why a driver CD was not included with the screen when you opened the box.

Hey thanks. Will do today!

Jethro
J
Jethro
Jan 8, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:40:06 -0500, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:19:20 +1100, Rob wrote:

Jethro wrote:
Now that I have circles staying circles, and I can see my screen’s icons & texts, and so far I can work with graphics, then I will use what I have decided to use, namely 1280X768. Of course, just maybe ACER will see fit to respond to my e-mail tomorrow, being a work-day, and something else will turn up.

Jethro

Phone them up

Acer America (USA only)
2641 Orchard Parkway
San Jose, CA 95134
Phone: 408.432.6200
Phone: 1.800.733.2237
Main Fax: 408.922.2933
Sales Fax: 408.922.2698

get onto a person and ask why there is a manual but no drivers up in there support.

If you have not received an email reply ask why!

You may also ask why a driver CD was not included with the screen when you opened the box.

In the photo groups there have been several complaints from people who have purchased "grey market" items from Tiger Direct (the source of this monitor). If it’s a grey market monitor, Acer America may not support the product.

I sure hope not. What is ‘grey market’?

Thanks

Jethro
J
Jethro
Jan 8, 2007
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:41:26 +1100, Rob wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:19:20 +1100, Rob wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Now that I have circles staying circles, and I can see my screen’s icons & texts, and so far I can work with graphics, then I will use what I have decided to use, namely 1280X768. Of course, just maybe ACER will see fit to respond to my e-mail tomorrow, being a work-day, and something else will turn up.

Jethro

Phone them up

Acer America (USA only)
2641 Orchard Parkway
San Jose, CA 95134
Phone: 408.432.6200
Phone: 1.800.733.2237
Main Fax: 408.922.2933
Sales Fax: 408.922.2698

get onto a person and ask why there is a manual but no drivers up in there support.

If you have not received an email reply ask why!

You may also ask why a driver CD was not included with the screen when you opened the box.

In the photo groups there have been several complaints from people who have purchased "grey market" items from Tiger Direct (the source of this monitor). If it’s a grey market monitor, Acer America may not support the product.

That driver is not up on any other WW Acer sites either.
But sounds like it may have been written in chinese or something and pulled from the original packaging by Tiger.

The little manual did have two mostly unreadable (print too small) pages in English. 18 pages or so in several other languages.

Thanks

Jethro
CC
Charlie Choc
Jan 8, 2007
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 10:39:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I sure hope not. What is ‘grey market’?
Products packaged for sale in countries other than the US. Normally they are the same as the US product, but sometimes don’t have the same manuals and accessories, and often are not supported by the US distributors and/or company divisions.

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com
K
KatWoman
Jan 8, 2007
"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 10:39:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I sure hope not. What is ‘grey market’?
Products packaged for sale in countries other than the US. Normally they are the
same as the US product, but sometimes don’t have the same manuals and accessories, and often are not supported by the US distributors and/or company
divisions.

Charlie…
http://www.chocphoto.com

the biggest disadvantage of grey market is not getting service under warranty in USA
if your item fails you have to send it to the country of origin to repair (which often includes exorbitant shipping costs and duty)

If you buy a 3rd party warranty (such as MACK) you can avoid this but often the cost of the warranty makes it the same price as the USA version.

A LOT of camera dealers sell grey market ALWAYS READ THE FINE PRINT IF an item is substantially lower in price question the reason.

I have got some good bargains at TIGER but you have to check, they sell a lot of refurbished items too………..
TC
Tony Cooper
Jan 8, 2007
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 10:39:36 GMT, Jethro wrote:

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:40:06 -0500, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:19:20 +1100, Rob wrote:

Jethro wrote:
Now that I have circles staying circles, and I can see my screen’s icons & texts, and so far I can work with graphics, then I will use what I have decided to use, namely 1280X768. Of course, just maybe ACER will see fit to respond to my e-mail tomorrow, being a work-day, and something else will turn up.

Jethro

Phone them up

Acer America (USA only)
2641 Orchard Parkway
San Jose, CA 95134
Phone: 408.432.6200
Phone: 1.800.733.2237
Main Fax: 408.922.2933
Sales Fax: 408.922.2698

get onto a person and ask why there is a manual but no drivers up in there support.

If you have not received an email reply ask why!

You may also ask why a driver CD was not included with the screen when you opened the box.

In the photo groups there have been several complaints from people who have purchased "grey market" items from Tiger Direct (the source of this monitor). If it’s a grey market monitor, Acer America may not support the product.

I sure hope not. What is ‘grey market’?

A "grey market" product is one that was not imported to the US through an authorized US distributor. For example, Nikon has an agreement with a US company for the distribution of Nikon cameras to US sources. A store buys Nikon cameras from that US distributor and not from Nikon in Japan. Any post-sale service you need is handled by the store or by the US Nikon distributor.

Some stores – and Tiger Direct is one of them – will buy directly from Japan to obtain a cheaper cost. If you have problems with that product, you’re often SOL. If the store can’t – or won’t – help you, Nikon America won’t. As far as Nikon America is concerned, you have an unauthorized product that is not under their warranty.

You can Google "grey market" and "grey market problems" to see the extent of the problem.

When you buy computer or electronic products from on-line sources you need to check out the distributor as well as the product. If you don’t, you may have a genuine (name) product, but not have a model that is backed up by support in the US.

Here’s one place you can check out a source:
http://www.resellerratings.com/

Tiger Direct has a 4.3 rating, on a 10 point scale, from past customers. By comparison, New Egg has a rating of 9.3.

Don’t feel bad, though. Most of us learn the right way to go about doing something by doing it the wrong way first.



Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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Jethro
Jan 9, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:45:21 +0100, "Greg N." wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for
this monitor is 1680 X 1024.

No, the resolution of the AL2223WD, according to
http://www.acerpanam.com/ is 1680 x 1050 !

You’re right – I wrote it wrong.

The monitor AL2216W has the same specifications _and_ it has a driver on http://www.acerpanam.com/ . Give it a try.

As I tried to say earlier today – I did but it didn’t install for me.

Thanks

Jethro
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Jethro
Jan 9, 2007
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:45:21 +0100, "Greg N." wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Somewhere I got it that the native resolution for
this monitor is 1680 X 1024.

No, the resolution of the AL2223WD, according to
http://www.acerpanam.com/ is 1680 x 1050 !

You’re right – I wrote it wrong.

The monitor AL2216W has the same specifications _and_ it has a driver on http://www.acerpanam.com/ . Give it a try.

As I tried to say earlier today – I did but it didn’t install for me.

Thanks

Jethro

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