New to monitor calibration question

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:30:50 GMT, "Steven Wandy" wrote:

I have been using PS for several years (currently using PSCS). Just purchased a Monaco Optix bundle to do my calibrations and profiling. Created a monitor calibration using the Optix. Video Card driver shows the ICC profile as the default. When in go into Control Panel (Windows XP Pro) and click on the Adobe Gamma icon the proper ICC profile that I created shows in the box BUT it shows the white point as 5000 K (warm white) while the profile was created for 6500 K (daylight). According to Monaco’s website Photoshop uses this setting (shown in Adobe Gamma). Any ideas on why the change in white point? Thanks

Calibrate with Monaco. Or calibrate with Gamma. Don’t do both.

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I have been using PS for several years (currently using PSCS). Just purchased a Monaco Optix bundle to do my calibrations and profiling. Created a monitor calibration using the Optix. Video Card driver shows

the

ICC profile as the default. When in go into Control Panel (Windows XP

Pro)

and click on the Adobe Gamma icon the proper ICC profile that I created shows in the box BUT it shows the white point as 5000 K (warm white)

while

the profile was created for 6500 K (daylight). According to Monaco’s

website

Photoshop uses this setting (shown in Adobe Gamma). Any ideas on why the change in white point? Thanks

Calibrate with Monaco. Or calibrate with Gamma. Don’t do both.

I never said I did both or used both or loaded both. Only the Monaco loader is in my Startup Folder. Only the profile made by Monaco is loaded by my video card’s driver setup. What I said is I had read in a different newsgroup post that PS reads it’s information from Adobe Gamma – even if it is not being utilized to load the gamma settings – and when I clicked on the Adobe Gamma icon in Control Panel the aforementioned information with regard to white point was shown.

Steven Wandy wrote:

I have been using PS for several years (currently using PSCS). Just purchased a Monaco Optix bundle to do my calibrations and profiling. Created a monitor calibration using the Optix. Video Card driver shows the ICC profile as the default. When in go into Control Panel (Windows XP Pro) and click on the Adobe Gamma icon the proper ICC profile that I created shows in the box BUT it shows the white point as 5000 K (warm white) while the profile was created for 6500 K (daylight). According to Monaco’s website Photoshop uses this setting (shown in Adobe Gamma). Any ideas on why the change in white point? Thanks

Calibrate with Monaco. Or calibrate with Gamma. Don’t do both.

I never said I did both or used both or loaded both. Only the Monaco loader is in my Startup Folder. Only the profile made by Monaco is loaded by my video card’s driver setup. What I said is I had read in a different newsgroup post that PS reads it’s information from Adobe Gamma – even if it is not being utilized to load the gamma settings – and when I clicked on the Adobe Gamma icon in Control Panel the aforementioned information with regard to white point was shown.

Not many people will follow up on a thread where the poster starts biting the hand that’s feeding him.

Except der Curvemeister, that is 🙂

I think you’ll find what you’re looking for here:
Excerpt:
Photoshop uses the last profile saved in the Adobe Gamma Control Panel. Other applications may use the profile associated with the monitor in the Display Control Panel.

Full text: http://www.monacosys.com/AdobeGammaSetup.pdf

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:45:11 GMT, "Steven Wandy" wrote:

I have been using PS for several years (currently using PSCS). Just purchased a Monaco Optix bundle to do my calibrations and profiling. Created a monitor calibration using the Optix. Video Card driver shows

the

ICC profile as the default. When in go into Control Panel (Windows XP

Pro)

and click on the Adobe Gamma icon the proper ICC profile that I created shows in the box BUT it shows the white point as 5000 K (warm white)

while

the profile was created for 6500 K (daylight). According to Monaco’s

website

Photoshop uses this setting (shown in Adobe Gamma). Any ideas on why the change in white point? Thanks

Calibrate with Monaco. Or calibrate with Gamma. Don’t do both.

I never said I did both or used both or loaded both. Only the Monaco loader is in my Startup Folder. Only the profile made by Monaco is loaded by my video card’s driver setup. What I said is I had read in a different newsgroup post that PS reads it’s information from Adobe Gamma – even if it is not being utilized to load the gamma settings – and when I clicked on the Adobe Gamma icon in Control Panel the aforementioned information with regard to white point was shown.

If you’ve used Gamma before, it will have created a profile. presumably you told PS to use that profile. If you have used Monaco, that will create a profile. If you don’t tell PS which profile to use it will use the one that you last told it to use.

Gamma is always likely to show you something different because it’s only an approximation based on you eyeballing some squares and deciding which is correct.

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Not many people will follow up on a thread where the poster starts biting the hand that’s feeding him.

I appreciate the advice given here but the previous poster did not even bother to read what I wrote in my original post. I never said I was loading both. My question was about why the settings shown in the Adobe gamma aplet in Windows Control Panel showed a different color temperature than I chose when I used Monaco.

If you don’t tell PS which profile to use it will use the one that you

last told it to use.

Thanks for that explaination but where in PSCS do you "tell" it which to use? I checked all over Color Settings but the only answer I could find on the web is the article on Monaco’s website that Mike Russell also refered to. I can see where you choose a profile for "soft proofing" but not where to tell PSCS which monitor profile to use.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 04:11:38 GMT, "Mike Russell" wrote:

Not many people will follow up on a thread where the poster starts biting the hand that’s feeding him.

Except der Curvemeister, that is 🙂

You’re such a glutton for punishment. 🙂

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:17:43 GMT, "Steven Wandy" wrote:

If you don’t tell PS which profile to use it will use the one that you

last told it to use.

Thanks for that explaination but where in PSCS do you "tell" it which to use? I checked all over Color Settings but the only answer I could find on the web is the article on Monaco’s website that Mike Russell also refered to. I can see where you choose a profile for "soft proofing" but not where to tell PSCS which monitor profile to use.

Sorry, I wasn’t being very lucid. You create a colour profile with Gamma, and it gets saved and then used by PS automatically. When you create another profile with a spider/calibrator of some sort, it should be saved and then used automatically by PS. I think that the problem is likely to be, if your source is correct, that when there is more than one profile PS uses the Gamma one. So, you would need to delete the profile created by Gamma to ensure that the new one is used by Photoshop.

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Sorry, I wasn’t being very lucid.

That’s OK, I appreciate the help.

When I go into Window’s Control Panel and click in the Adobe Gamma applet (again, Adobe Gamma is not loading at Windows startup) it shows that is is recognizing the newest profile – the one created with Monaco Optix. But when it shows the setting it has the White Point at 5000 K (warm white). This not what I selected when I made the profile (choose 6500). If I tell Adobe Gamma to change it it asks to save the profile, thereby over-writing the created profile that is used by Monaco’s Monacogamma program and my video card driver. So what I am wondering is even if PSCS is reading the profile listed in Adobe Gamma, is it reading the White Point correctly or not?

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:37:30 GMT, "Steven Wandy" wrote:

Sorry, I wasn’t being very lucid.

That’s OK, I appreciate the help.

When I go into Window’s Control Panel and click in the Adobe Gamma applet (again, Adobe Gamma is not loading at Windows startup) it shows that is is recognizing the newest profile – the one created with Monaco Optix. But when it shows the setting it has the White Point at 5000 K (warm white). This not what I selected when I made the profile (choose 6500). If I tell Adobe Gamma to change it it asks to save the profile, thereby over-writing the created profile that is used by Monaco’s Monacogamma program and my video card driver. So what I am wondering is even if PSCS is reading the profile listed in Adobe Gamma, is it reading the White Point correctly or not?

Ok, got you. Disregard whatever Gamma tells you – it didn’t make the profile. If you made the profile with the Monaco and gave it a white point of 6500, then that is what it will have set. Gamma is better than nothing, but it’s not accurate. It can’t be because it has no way of measuring the screen output.

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in article , Hecate at
wrote on 08/12/2004 4:51 PM:

Ok, got you. Disregard whatever I tell you – I don’t know how to make the profile.
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About time you admitted as much.

Disregard whatever Gamma tells you – it didn’t make the

profile.

That’s what I thought, but just wanted it confirmed by someone who had been using profiles.
Thanks

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:08:08 -0700, Branko Vukelic
wrote:

in article , Hecate at
wrote on 08/12/2004 4:51 PM:

Ok, got you. Disregard whatever I tell you – I don’t know how to make the profile.
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About time you admitted as much.

Boring, boring. Not only are you a poor imitation of Branko, you’re also a poor imitation of a human being.

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