Chris Cox: Why does PS-CS need Win 2000/XP?

Chris,

I notice the new Win Photoshop CS specifies either 2000, or XP. No more 98/Me. Is there a specific reason for this? Does Photoshop now use some API not supported in Win 9x?

David

I notice the new Win Photoshop CS specifies either 2000, or XP. No more 98/Me. Is there a specific reason for this? Does Photoshop now use some API not supported in Win 9x?

Those operating systems are ancient (by computing standards), and supporting them hobbles the Adobe product line. Microsoft themselves no longer support Win98 and support for ME finishes next month. Adobe had to call time at some point, so I wouldn't assume there was a specific reason.

"David C. Barber" wrote in message

Chris,

I notice the new Win Photoshop CS specifies either 2000, or XP. No more 98/Me. Is there a specific reason for this? Does Photoshop now use some API not supported in Win 9x?

Yeah. A stable one.

Rick

David C. Barber wrote:

Chris,

I notice the new Win Photoshop CS specifies either 2000, or XP. No more 98/Me. Is there a specific reason for this? Does Photoshop now use some API not supported in Win 9x?

Photoshop sucks resources (I'm talking about system/GDI handles) like a vacuum cleaner. Windows 98/95 has a limited amount of these resources available. This limit was upped in Windows ME - but I can't run Photoshop and a couple of other applications at the same time. There is no limit to these resources in Windows 2000/XP (Only available memory).

Cheers,
Nicholas Sherlock

Photoshop needs several APIs that were added (or fixed) in Win2K. We tried to support older OSes, but the huge number of required (or fixed) APIs forced us to abandon the older OSes (especially since Microsoft has already abandoned them and will not be fixing bugs in them).

Chris

In article , David C. Barber
wrote:

Chris,

I notice the new Win Photoshop CS specifies either 2000, or XP. No more 98/Me. Is there a specific reason for this? Does Photoshop now use some API not supported in Win 9x?

David

Chris,
Additionally, will Win Photoshop CS work in/on NT4 Service Pack 6a? Many thanks in advance.

Fred
"Chris Cox" wrote in message

Photoshop needs several APIs that were added (or fixed) in Win2K. We tried to support older OSes, but the huge number of required (or fixed) APIs forced us to abandon the older OSes (especially since Microsoft has already abandoned them and will not be fixing bugs in them).

Chris

In article , David C. Barber
wrote:

Chris,

I notice the new Win Photoshop CS specifies either 2000, or XP. No more 98/Me. Is there a specific reason for this? Does Photoshop now use some API not supported in Win 9x?

David

From: "Fred Coote"

Additionally, will Win Photoshop CS work in/on NT4 Service Pack 6a?

According to Adobe, CS for Windows won't work on NT regardless of the SP, just Win 2000 w/ SP3 or XP.

"David C. Barber" wrote:

I notice the new Win Photoshop CS specifies either 2000, or XP. No more 98/Me. Is there a specific reason for this? Does Photoshop now use some API not supported in Win 9x?

CS needs the MS Activation support and that is only available in the 2000 and XP (and in the 2003 server). The corporate version of CS does not require the Activation, it can be made to run on 98se but the installer refuses to run so there is plenty of registly patching and file hunting.

Timo Autiokari

In article , Timo Autiokari
wrote:

"David C. Barber" wrote:

I notice the new Win Photoshop CS specifies either 2000, or XP. No more 98/Me. Is there a specific reason for this? Does Photoshop now use some API not supported in Win 9x?

CS needs the MS Activation support and that is only available in the 2000 and XP (and in the 2003 server). The corporate version of CS does not require the Activation, it can be made to run on 98se but the installer refuses to run so there is plenty of registly patching and file hunting.

1) Photoshop CS doesn't use MS Activation

2) Photoshop CS will not run on any flavor of Win9X, even with registry hacks. (many OS APIs would be missing)

3) Please don't respond unless you have some idea of what you're talking about

Chris

In article <boo6cg$in3$>, Fred Coote
wrote:

Chris,
Additionally, will Win Photoshop CS work in/on NT4 Service Pack 6a? Many thanks in advance.

No, it says it requires Win2K or XP, and that means it requires Win2K or XP.

Chris

Thank you...however, this seems like a smartass response from you.

"No, it says it requires Win2K or XP" would have answered the question...why add "and that means it
requires Win2K or XP."?

Fred

"Chris Cox" wrote in message

In article <boo6cg$in3$>, Fred Coote
wrote:

Chris,
Additionally, will Win Photoshop CS work in/on NT4 Service Pack 6a? Many thanks in advance.

No, it says it requires Win2K or XP, and that means it requires Win2K or XP.

Chris

"Fred C." wrote in news:bpako7$brd$:

Thank you...however, this seems like a smartass response from you.
"No, it says it requires Win2K or XP" would have answered the question...why add "and that means it requires Win2K or XP."?

One of Adobe's internal programmers takes the time to monitor these boards and answer all kinds of technical questions, and you're complaining because he isn't wearing soft enough kid gloves?

C'mon, take your answer like a man.

The company has 40 + copies of PS7.01 running on Win NT4 ...so it is a big deal. I don't need your crap either!

"anon" wrote in message

"Fred C." wrote in news:bpako7$brd$:

Thank you...however, this seems like a smartass response from you.
"No, it says it requires Win2K or XP" would have answered the question...why add "and that means it requires Win2K or XP."?

One of Adobe's internal programmers takes the time to monitor these boards and answer all kinds of technical questions, and you're complaining because he isn't wearing soft enough kid gloves?

C'mon, take your answer like a man.

I newsgroup is not the place for a company to be making decisions about their IT strategy is it?

Stuart

Fred C. wrote:

The company has 40 + copies of PS7.01 running on Win NT4 ...so it is a big deal. I don't need your crap either!

"anon" wrote in message

"Fred C." wrote in news:bpako7$brd$:

Thank you...however, this seems like a smartass response from you.
"No, it says it requires Win2K or XP" would have answered the question...why add "and that means it requires Win2K or XP."?

One of Adobe's internal programmers takes the time to monitor these boards and answer all kinds of technical questions, and you're complaining because he isn't wearing soft enough kid gloves?

C'mon, take your answer like a man.

Probably Fred because it was a semi-smartass question. Don't you think that if it did work on NT with service packs that they would have said so?

R

"Fred C." wrote in message

Thank you...however, this seems like a smartass response from you.
"No, it says it requires Win2K or XP" would have answered the

question...why add "and that means it

requires Win2K or XP."?

Fred

"Chris Cox" wrote in message

In article <boo6cg$in3$>, Fred Coote
wrote:

Chris,
Additionally, will Win Photoshop CS work in/on NT4 Service Pack 6a?

Many

thanks in advance.

No, it says it requires Win2K or XP, and that means it requires Win2K or XP.

Chris

I disagree. While I wouldn't use it as my sole source of information. It never hurts to get as much information as possible. Then you have to carefully weigh it all and make your choice.

R

"Stuart" wrote in message

I newsgroup is not the place for a company to be making decisions about their IT strategy is it?

Stuart

Fred C. wrote:

The company has 40 + copies of PS7.01 running on Win NT4 ...so it is a

big deal. I don't need your

crap either!

"anon" wrote in message

"Fred C." wrote in news:bpako7$brd$:

Thank you...however, this seems like a smartass response from you.
"No, it says it requires Win2K or XP" would have answered the question...why add "and that means it requires Win2K or XP."?

One of Adobe's internal programmers takes the time to monitor these

boards

and answer all kinds of technical questions, and you're complaining

because

he isn't wearing soft enough kid gloves?

C'mon, take your answer like a man.

Fred C. wrote:

Thank you...however, this seems like a smartass response from you.
"No, it says it requires Win2K or XP" would have answered the question...why add "and that means it
requires Win2K or XP."?

Because, the caliber of Photoshop users should be able to read and comprehend.

Regards,
Uni

Fred

"Chris Cox" wrote in message

In article <boo6cg$in3$>, Fred Coote
wrote:

Chris,
Additionally, will Win Photoshop CS work in/on NT4 Service Pack 6a? Many thanks in advance.

No, it says it requires Win2K or XP, and that means it requires Win2K or XP.

Chris

"Uni" wrote in message

Fred C. wrote:

Thank you...however, this seems like a smartass response from you.
"No, it says it requires Win2K or XP" would have answered the question...why add "and that means it
requires Win2K or XP."?

Because, the caliber of Photoshop users should be able to read and comprehend.

It was a fair question. Older versions of PS claim it "requires" a Pentium III, which isn't true.

Rick

Minimum hardware recommendations are usually for just being able to install and load the program, not actually using it properly. At least that is what microsoft does.

Stuart

Rick wrote:

"Uni" wrote in message

Fred C. wrote:

Thank you...however, this seems like a smartass response from you.
"No, it says it requires Win2K or XP" would have answered the question...why add "and that means it
requires Win2K or XP."?

Because, the caliber of Photoshop users should be able to read and comprehend.

It was a fair question. Older versions of PS claim it "requires" a Pentium III, which isn't true.

Rick

There is no limit to
these resources in Windows 2000/XP (Only available memory).

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It is not like this: No single application under a 32 bit Win XP can have more than 2 GB of RAM. I had 4 GB installed - just for Photoshop -, but my Photoshop always tells me it doesn't see more than about 1.7 GB. I asked why, then i learnt about this Win XP limitation. You can extend the available RAM per application by some tricks which sound very problem prone.

Rick wrote:

"Uni" wrote in message

Fred C. wrote:

Thank you...however, this seems like a smartass response from you.
"No, it says it requires Win2K or XP" would have answered the question...why add "and that means it
requires Win2K or XP."?

Because, the caliber of Photoshop users should be able to read and comprehend.

It was a fair question. Older versions of PS claim it "requires" a Pentium III, which isn't true.

We are not talking about "older" versions, we are talking about Photoshop CS. See The Subject line.

Regards,
Uni

Rick

"Henrik2000" wrote in message

There is no limit to
these resources in Windows 2000/XP (Only available memory).

----
It is not like this: No single application under a 32 bit Win XP can have more than 2 GB of RAM. I had 4 GB installed - just for Photoshop -, but my Photoshop always tells me it doesn't see more than about 1.7 GB. I asked why, then i learnt about this Win XP limitation. You can extend the available RAM per application by some tricks which sound very problem prone.

You misunderstood the statement made. Which was as follows.

Photoshop sucks resources (I'm talking about system/GDI handles) like

a

vacuum cleaner. Windows 98/95 has a limited amount of these resources available. This limit was upped in Windows ME - but I can't run

Photoshop

and a couple of other applications at the same time. There is no limit

to

these resources in Windows 2000/XP (Only available memory).

Win9x had a system wide limit on GDI/USER handles and such. The system could "run out of memory" even with tons of free memory available if the storage areas for the special handles is all used up. Any NT based system has no limit on these handles except for "available memory".

Norman

Because sometimes I get tired of answering the same question over and over.

Sorry about that.

Chris

In article <bpako7$brd$>, Fred C.
wrote:

Thank you...however, this seems like a smartass response from you.
"No, it says it requires Win2K or XP" would have answered the question...why add "and that means it
requires Win2K or XP."?

Fred

"Chris Cox" wrote in message

In article <boo6cg$in3$>, Fred Coote
wrote:

Chris,
Additionally, will Win Photoshop CS work in/on NT4 Service Pack 6a? Many thanks in advance.

No, it says it requires Win2K or XP, and that means it requires Win2K or XP.

Chris