On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:08:51 +0100, Timmo wrote:
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In Vista Color Management it makes no difference if I stop the colorvision software from running at startup

Probably not important to stop the colorvision software from running, since it makes only global changes to the video LUT, and this affects all programs equally.

and set any of the following as the default
monitor profile/reboot:
1707FPV.icm (Canned Monitor Profile)
Spyder2express.icm (Calibrated Monitor Profile)
sRGB Color Space Profile.icm (Not sure where this profile came from, but tried it anyway)

These profiles will probably be very similar to one another - see below for a more dramatic experiment to make sure things are working.

With any of the above profiles set in the Vista Color Management, Photoshop Monitor Proofing/save as/save for web still boosts the saturation, making skin tones (for example) too red.

I happen to be running vista 64, with CS4, using the same model of monitor.

The fact that the profile you use makes no difference makes me wonder if you are setting it up in the right place. This would be in the Start>Control Panel>Color Management>Devices>Display>Add, followed by activating a particular profile.

Ok - here's the *dramatic* experiment:
0) Set your monitor to the sRGB preset- this is under the monitor's color settings menu item.
1) remove all the profiles from the display profile
2) add the ProPhoto and sRGB profiles
3) select ProPhoto as your display space, and click OK
4) start Photoshop (no need to restart your system)
5) look at the color swatches - they should be very desaturated
6) quit Photoshop
7) open up the Color Management again, and set sRGB
8) go back into Photoshop, and you should see very bright colors in the palettes.

If you do not see a big difference in color saturation between steps 5 and 8, then profiles are not being handled correctly by Vista. Try the same experiment, using Mozilla with You'll need to focus on this step.

The only way I can get around this is to not allow the colorvision software to run during startup and also not assign any icm profiles to the monitors in Vista Color management, which soft of defeats color management, but it's the best 'work-a-round' I have found so far. I am yet to check how the images look on other computers though.

Probably they look just fine. The 1707FPV has a setting for sRGB mode.

At the moment, I don't think this issue is a monitor issue, graphics card issue or monitor calibration device issue as people are experiencing this with different monitors (Samsung & Dell), graphics cards (Nvidia & ATI) and color calibration devices (Colorvision/Datavision & X-rite). Therefore, I would imagine that it's either a Windows issue or a Photoshop issue.

You need to go back and check and re-check. All it takes is a single gap in one of the elements for the whole thing to fail.

I have gone through hundreds, maybe thousands of posts from people with this issue (the earlier posts started around 2005, so from CS2 where I think Adobe stopped supplying Adobe Gamma?), but no-one seems to have found a solution, except basically disabling/fooling color management in one way or another.

Color management remains a stumbling block for a lot of people, even 10+ years after icc profiles became commonplace. Color management is still in a state of over-complexity . IOW: "it's a mess".

This is how Ethernet was, years, ago, when you almost needed a graduate degree to manage all the hardware and software configuration issues to add another system to a large network. We need an Allan Oppenheimer (inventor of AppleTalk) to come into the color management world, and make things easy to use.
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Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com

Bob Larter

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