I think you have misunderstood what I said Bret. I know Johan has. The description I originally offered was of how to open a camera raw file (CRW to be precise) in Photoshop 7 without the Photoshop RAW plugin. In case you
can’t find the first post, it went like this:
" There’s an interesting thing here about Canon’s RAW files and how you edit them. Before I bought PS, CS I had only version 7 without the RAW plugin and Adobe had (very conveniently) dropped the plugin from their site. The work-around I used and still find amazingly good is to use the thumbnail viewer of Irfanview – a free image handling application, open the image and copy it to the clipboard then, create a "new" document in PS, pasting the image into it. This method produces a very nice conversion without noticeable
loss."
I don’t know where you read in that piece that I promoted using Irfanview to do a conversion to jpg. All I said was it gave you a vehicle through which you could edit Canon RAW files without actually having a RAW converter. It save you the cost and inconvience of upgrading to Photoshop CS just to edit RAW files.
Perhaps you might include interpretation of histogram data in your "reading of the subject". It is my interpretation of the histograms from a lot of Canon RAW and JPG files which led me to the conclusion that Canon mangle the histogram during their in-camera jpg creation.
I’ll also clarify the Irfanview-to-Photoshop workflow now too. Irfanview itself open the JPG file saved with a RAW file (if the function to save a RAW and JPG is enabled in the camera) unless, you install Canon’s RAW converter. Then Irfanview can use that to open the RAW file. You can also save space on the flashcard if you disable save of the JPG.
If you then copy the image to the clipboard, open Photoshop 6 or 7 and create a new document, you can paste the copied image into that document without any loss of detail. You can use this process to open a RAW file in Corel PhotoPaint or for that mater, any other graphics program which supports cut and paste. It is basically the same procedure Adobe use except it’s not integrated in PS.
This is much preferred to using the mangled JPG Canon create in their camera. When you get the new 20D (your D60 isn’t much use here) shoot a scene in JPG and the same scene in RAW. When you get home, compare the histogram in Photoshop and you too will see that the JPG histogram is different to the RAW one. Highlights will be clipped or alternatively, shadows will be clipped if the contrast range is a summer, sunny day (not in Tennessee, in Australia).
Because Irfanview supports the use of Canon’s own RAW converter, it is very likely to provide support for 20D RAW files. If Adobe follow their past performances, they’ll introduce a "new" version of Photoshop everyone will be "encouraged" to upgrade to, just to get 20D RAW files open. At best they’ll probably do what they did with the original RAW plugin and charge you for it. All I’ve offered is an alternative and described some of my experience as to how to handle Canon camera files and Photoshop. I print posters and wall art every day for myself and my clients. I do have a clue about what I do.
I can only assume Johan and you have though me to have no knowledge of the subject. Not surprising since I stopped promoting my business in newsgroups. It’s a pity other don’t follow suit in that and stop advertising theirs in every post. Maybe then we wouldn’t have to offer rewards for the identity of Trolls just to have an independent opinion.
Ryadia
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—– Original Message —–
From: "Annika1980"
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: Camera RAW & the Canon 20D
From: "G. Innipig"
I’ve already said the guy is clueless and plonked him.
I don’t know the guy and have no wish to trash him here (yet). I simply pointed out that what he said about the JPGs being clipped sounded silly
to me.
It’s certainly the first I’ve heard of it and I’ve read a bit on the
subject.