Photoshop can’t do lossless JPEG rotation ??!!

How crap is that?!

Luckily I have ACDSee as well.

But I just can’t believe this omission!

ss.

"Synapse Syndrome" wrote in message

How crap is that?!

Before you go shitting on Adobe, check the facts.

"jjs" wrote in message

"Synapse Syndrome" wrote in message

How crap is that?!

Before you go shitting on Adobe, check the facts.

http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/digitalimaging/f/rotatequal ity.htm

http://graphicssoft.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ &sdn=graphicssoft&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fsylvana.net%2Fjpeg crop%2Flosslessapps.html

I use PS v7. So is lossless JPEG rotation new to CS?

ss.

Synapse Syndrome wrote:

http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/digitalimaging/f/rotatequal ity.htm
http://graphicssoft.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ &sdn=graphicssoft&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fsylvana.net%2Fjpeg crop%2Flosslessapps.html

I use PS v7. So is lossless JPEG rotation new to CS?

ss.

Your argument is moot because any professional person, who knows what they are doing, should not be editing in jpg.

Stuart

"Stuart" wrote in message

Synapse Syndrome wrote:

http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/digitalimaging/f/rotatequal ity.htm

http://graphicssoft.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ &sdn=graphicssoft&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fsylvana.net%2Fjpeg crop%2Flosslessapps.html

I use PS v7. So is lossless JPEG rotation new to CS?

ss.

Your argument is moot because any professional person, who knows what they are doing, should not be editing in jpg.

Huh? Ever hear of portrait mode?

Sometimes JPEG rotation is also unavoidable because not
all cameras have a raw or tiff mode.

Rick

Rick wrote:

Your argument is moot because any professional person, who knows what they are doing, should not be editing in jpg.

Huh? Ever hear of portrait mode?

Sometimes JPEG rotation is also unavoidable because not
all cameras have a raw or tiff mode.

Rick

The OP is talking about Photoshop not a camera. If he is that worried about quality then he should not be editing using jpeg in the first place. If the camera only produces jpeg images then he can save it into a different format for all his editing using Photoshop.

Stuart

"Stuart" wrote in message

Rick wrote:

Your argument is moot because any professional person, who knows what they are doing, should not be editing in jpg.

Huh? Ever hear of portrait mode?

Sometimes JPEG rotation is also unavoidable because not
all cameras have a raw or tiff mode.

Rick

The OP is talking about Photoshop not a camera. If he is that worried about quality then he should not be editing using jpeg in the first place. If the camera only produces jpeg images then he can save it into a different format for all his editing using Photoshop.

Actually the OP didn’t mention what the source is for his images. It’s probable they are from a camera, and more
than likely one that doesn’t have a lossless format option.

Also, if one only needs to rotate images, there’s nothing to be gained by saving them to a different format, unless for some reason one is limited to using PS7 or earlier. Even freeware editors such as IrfanView can do lossless JPEG
rotation.

Rick

"Synapse Syndrome" …

"jjs" wrote in message

"Synapse Syndrome" wrote in message

How crap is that?!

Before you go shitting on Adobe, check the facts.

http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/digitalimaging/f/rotatequal ity.htm
http://graphicssoft.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ &sdn=graphicssoft&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fsylvana.net%2Fjpeg crop%2Flosslessapps.html

I use PS v7. So is lossless JPEG rotation new to CS?

CS doesn’t do it either, as far as I can tell. But applications such as Cameraid do many lossless operations, including rotation, quite nicely:
http://www.cameraid.com/ (for Mac OS)

Toby

ss.

"Synapse Syndrome" wrote in
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How crap is that?!

Not very, since this is a feature best implemented in a thumbnailing/slideshow program like:

Luckily I have ACDSee as well.

Yep, lucky you, having what is an essential piece of any digital photographer’s software suite.

But I just can’t believe this omission!

You could always use PaintShop Pro if you just *have* to have the feature built into your image editor.

Get back to me when you find a good reason why, will you?

"Rick" wrote in message

"Stuart" wrote in message

Rick wrote:

Your argument is moot because any professional person, who knows what they are doing, should not be editing in jpg.

Huh? Ever hear of portrait mode?

Sometimes JPEG rotation is also unavoidable because not
all cameras have a raw or tiff mode.

Rick

The OP is talking about Photoshop not a camera. If he is that worried about quality then he should not be editing using jpeg in the first place. If the camera only produces jpeg images then he can save it into a different format for all his editing using Photoshop.

Actually the OP didn’t mention what the source is for his images. It’s probable they are from a camera, and more
than likely one that doesn’t have a lossless format option.
Also, if one only needs to rotate images, there’s nothing to be gained by saving them to a different format, unless for some reason one is limited to using PS7 or earlier. Even freeware editors such as IrfanView can do lossless JPEG
rotation.

Yes, it is because I use a digital camera that has a sensor so that it auto-rotates pictures when I hold the camera sideways. I tend to keep the sensor on, as it is usually useful. There is no RAW or TIF format in this camera.

But I also use the camera to take photogrammetry photos to use in Photomodeler Pro, which require all the pictures to be of the same dimensions. www.photomodeler.com

As I forget to turn the sensor off I need to rotate these pictures losslessly and with keeping the Exif data. I would expect to be able to use Photoshop to do this.

This is a stupid omission and it sucks.

ss.

This is a stupid omission and it sucks.

Not if you think about Photoshop’s purpose and intended audience.

Photosop is intended as a high-end digital image editing program. It’s not intended as a slideshow or thumbnail caltaloging application.

Normally, the reason you would open an image in Photoshop is to edit that image; if your goal is simply to view, catalog, or create slideshows of images, there are many more lightweight applications that are better suited to those tasks. Just as a can opener is a better tool than a band saw for opening cans, even though a band saw will do the job, so are cataloging and slideshow programs better suited to viewing and cataloging images, even though Photoshop will do the job.

If your goal is to edit an image, you don’t need lossless rotation–because you’re going to be manipulating the image anyway.

Lossless rotation is properly the domain of a cataloging application or an image viewer, rather than an image editor. Digital image manipulation is a job which typically requires more than one tool, each of which should be used for the job best suited to it.

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"Tacit" wrote in message

This is a stupid omission and it sucks.

Not if you think about Photoshop’s purpose and intended audience.
Photosop is intended as a high-end digital image editing program. It’s not intended as a slideshow or thumbnail caltaloging application.
[…] Just as a can opener is a better tool than a band saw for opening

cans,

even though a band saw will do the job […]

Oh! Duh! Ya learn something every day. Geeze, I just got to try one of those can opener things.

Oh! Duh! Ya learn something every day. Geeze, I just got to try one of those can opener things.

Hope you weren’t trying to open something *too* messy with the band saw… 😉

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"Tacit" wrote in message

Oh! Duh! Ya learn something every day. Geeze, I just got to try one of

those

can opener things.

Hope you weren’t trying to open something *too* messy with the band saw…

😉

Beer.

jjs wrote:

"Tacit" wrote in message

Oh! Duh! Ya learn something every day. Geeze, I just got to try one of those can opener things.

Hope you weren’t trying to open something *too* messy with the band saw… 😉

Beer.

Belt sanders work well for peeling hard boiled eggs, too. —

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net

In article <KMyVc.5679$>,
says…

jjs wrote:

"Tacit" wrote in message

Oh! Duh! Ya learn something every day. Geeze, I just got to try one of those can opener things.

Hope you weren’t trying to open something *too* messy with the band saw… 😉

Beer.

Belt sanders work well for peeling hard boiled eggs, too. —

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net

Provided, of course, that you have not been drinking, ingesting any controlled substances, are not hungry, or… have a lot of eggs.

Hunt

PS eye protection is mandatory!

Agreed!

"Synapse Syndrome" wrote in message

"Rick" wrote in message

"Stuart" wrote in message

Rick wrote:

Your argument is moot because any professional person, who knows what they are doing, should not be editing in jpg.

Huh? Ever hear of portrait mode?

Sometimes JPEG rotation is also unavoidable because not
all cameras have a raw or tiff mode.

Rick

The OP is talking about Photoshop not a camera. If he is that worried about quality then he should not be editing using jpeg in the first place. If the camera only produces jpeg images then he can save it into a different format for all his editing using Photoshop.

Actually the OP didn’t mention what the source is for his images. It’s probable they are from a camera, and more
than likely one that doesn’t have a lossless format option.
Also, if one only needs to rotate images, there’s nothing to be gained by saving them to a different format, unless for some reason one is limited to using PS7 or earlier. Even freeware editors such as IrfanView can do lossless JPEG
rotation.

Yes, it is because I use a digital camera that has a sensor so that it auto-rotates pictures when I hold the camera sideways. I tend to keep the sensor on, as it is usually useful. There is no RAW or TIF format in this camera.

But I also use the camera to take photogrammetry photos to use in Photomodeler Pro, which require all the pictures to be of the same dimensions. www.photomodeler.com

As I forget to turn the sensor off I need to rotate these pictures losslessly and with keeping the Exif data. I would expect to be able to use
Photoshop to do this.

This is a stupid omission and it sucks.

ss.

If it is so darned critical try IrfanView (it is free, it is good, it is free and good)

Once your JPEG is open in IrfanView:
1 – click on Options (menubar)

2 – then on JPEG lossless operations

3 – read the information before committing any changes

Just as an aside, I prefer to open original JPEG, append an incremental identifier to the filename such as *01* but without the *’s and save it in PSD with layers option ticked. I don’t know if this has any other advantages other than making me feel quite a slick Photoshopper

Artio

"Hunt" wrote in message

In article <KMyVc.5679$>,
says…

jjs wrote:

"Tacit" wrote in message

Oh! Duh! Ya learn something every day. Geeze, I just got to try one of those can opener things.

Hope you weren’t trying to open something *too* messy with the band saw… 😉

Beer.

Belt sanders work well for peeling hard boiled eggs, too.

Provided, of course, that you have not been drinking, ingesting any

controlled

substances, are not hungry, or… have a lot of eggs.

Uh, then I best have a lot of eggs.