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Does anybody know where I can download Photoshop CS in these newsgroups?You mean steal it??
It was Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:14:52 -0500, when "BW" muttered these words:
Does anybody know where I can download Photoshop CS in these newsgroups?You mean steal it??
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Does anybody know where I can download Photoshop CS in these newsgroups?
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:14:52 -0500, "BW"
scribbled:
Does anybody know where I can download Photoshop CS in these newsgroups?
Fuck off.
Um no. Just a demo. Adobe’s website doesn’t have it.There is no demo available to the general public yet, just for developers..
That’s lovely. I’m not looking to steal it, I just want a demo. Adobe’s website does not have it to download.
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:14:52 -0500, "BW"
scribbled:
Does anybody know where I can download Photoshop CS in these newsgroups?
Fuck off.
Does anybody know where I can download Photoshop CS in these newsgroups?
There are numerous places to download illegal versions of photoshop cs. you could download it from kazaa for one. there is a newsgroup place to download it from but I do not know it off hand.
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:33:13 -0500, "Voivod" scribbled:you
There are numerous places to download illegal versions of photoshop cs.
downloadcould download it from kazaa for one. there is a newsgroup place to
it from but I do not know it off hand.
Cute forgery, but I don’t post from Canada. Try harder
next time.
Does anybody know where I can download Photoshop CS in these newsgroups?
Try http://www.fuckingthieves.con/ and look under app.
Cracked versions also available there
When Adobe bring the price of their products down to reasonable price, i.e. a couple of hundred dollars instead of "Microsoft" pricing, then people will stop for the most, downloading cracked versions. Yes, I know a few will continue to download pirated copies, but the majority who do not have programmers wages want the product at a decent price, not to pay for items like Gate’s mansion, or the Adobe boards Mercedes.
"BW" wrote in message
Does anybody know where I can download Photoshop CS in these newsgroups?
"Voivod" kirjoitti
viestiss
If he doesn´t need a Ferrari, why should he steal it ? Are you stupid or lowbrow?Chances are he doesn’t ‘need’ PS either – so why does he want to steal that? If he needs it, he wil find the money – Like I did for PS7. PS8 is out of the question, but thats their fault – I wouldn’t even want that piece of activated crap on my system.
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:27:03 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:
Try www.suprnova.org and look under app.
Cracked versions also available there
When Adobe bring the price of their products down to reasonable price,
willa couple of hundred dollars instead of "Microsoft" pricing, then people
itemsstop for the most, downloading cracked versions. Yes, I know a few will continue to download pirated copies, but the majority who do not have programmers wages want the product at a decent price, not to pay for
Don’t like Ferrarislike Gate’s mansion, or the Adobe boards Mercedes.
The cost of an item, high or not, is in no way justification for stealing it. You can’t afford a Ferrari, why haven’t you stolen one of those?
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:27:03 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:
Try http://www.fuckingthieves.con/ and look under app.
Cracked versions also available there
When Adobe bring the price of their products down to reasonable price, i.e. a couple of hundred dollars instead of "Microsoft" pricing, then people will stop for the most, downloading cracked versions. Yes, I know a few will continue to download pirated copies, but the majority who do not have programmers wages want the product at a decent price, not to pay for items like Gate’s mansion, or the Adobe boards Mercedes.
The cost of an item, high or not, is in no way justification for stealing it. You can’t afford a Ferrari, why haven’t you stolen one of those?
"Voivod" kirjoitti
viestissä:
The cost of an item, high or not, is in no way justification for stealing it. You can’t afford a Ferrari, why haven’t you stolen one of those?If he doesn´t need a Ferrari, why should he steal it ? Are you stupid or lowbrow?
I have never seen or heard anyone without guilt
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:27:03 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:
Try www.suprnova.org and look under app.
Cracked versions also available there
When Adobe bring the price of their products down to reasonable price,
i.e.
willa couple of hundred dollars instead of "Microsoft" pricing, then people
itemsstop for the most, downloading cracked versions. Yes, I know a few will continue to download pirated copies, but the majority who do not have programmers wages want the product at a decent price, not to pay for
Don’t like Ferrarislike Gate’s mansion, or the Adobe boards Mercedes.
The cost of an item, high or not, is in no way justification for stealing it. You can’t afford a Ferrari, why haven’t you stolen one of those?
However, I would not pay sticker price for any car, at least there is a choice in automobiles.
Does anybody know where I can download Photoshop CS in these newsgroups?
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:33:45 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:
I have never seen or heard anyone without guilt
What a sad little world you must live in. Either you
know ALL the wrong people or you’re so paranoid
you have to justify something by believing everyone
else is doing it.
Voivod wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:33:45 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:
I have never seen or heard anyone without guilt
What a sad little world you must live in. Either you
know ALL the wrong people or you’re so paranoid
you have to justify something by believing everyone
else is doing it.
Hey! it’s normal for the moron to feel guilty sometime, so I just wondering what made Voivod. I don’t think Voivod is a super moron,
isn’t it? <g>
So what’s your next argument for being a thief?because I want to, same way as your life is not whiter than white. I bet you have broken the law, or stolen even a pen from your workplace. If you say you have not, then you are a liar plain and simple
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:27:32 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:
Voivod wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:33:45 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:
I have never seen or heard anyone without guilt
What a sad little world you must live in. Either you
know ALL the wrong people or you’re so paranoid
you have to justify something by believing everyone
else is doing it.
Hey! it’s normal for the moron to feel guilty sometime, so I just wondering what made Voivod. I don’t think Voivod is a super moron,
That’d be my parents.
isn’t it? <g>
That you think is itself in question. Perhaps next time
you might spend a few moments pondering your (f)lames
so they make even a modicum of sense.
Voivod wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:27:32 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:
Voivod wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:33:45 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:
I have never seen or heard anyone without guilt
What a sad little world you must live in. Either you
know ALL the wrong people or you’re so paranoid
you have to justify something by believing everyone
else is doing it.
Hey! it’s normal for the moron to feel guilty sometime, so I just wondering what made Voivod. I don’t think Voivod is a super moron,
That’d be my parents.
What’s your parent? A robot not program to steal?
isn’t it? <g>
That you think is itself in question. Perhaps next time
you might spend a few moments pondering your (f)lames
so they make even a modicum of sense.
I am thinking Voivod is a thing, because in this dirty world (besides
the new born), I have never heard or seen any human doesn’t know how to steal and kill.
"Voivod" wrote in message
So what’s your next argument for being a thief?because I want to, same way as your life is not whiter than white. I bet you have broken the law, or stolen even a pen from your workplace. If you say you have not, then you are a liar plain and simple
Hey! it’s normal for the moron to feel guilty sometime, so I just wondering what made Voivod. I don’t think Voivod is a super moron,
That’d be my parents.
What’s your parent? A robot not program to steal?
You don’t know what parents are? Is English a second language for you or are you just REALLY slow?
isn’t it? <g>
That you think is itself in question. Perhaps next time
you might spend a few moments pondering your (f)lames
so they make even a modicum of sense.
I am thinking Voivod is a thing, because in this dirty world (besides
We’ve already touched on the chances of you actually thinking.
the new born), I have never heard or seen any human doesn’t know how to steal and kill.
And you don’t see a difference between knowing HOW to do something and NOT doing it?
Voivod wrote:
Hey! it’s normal for the moron to feel guilty sometime, so I just wondering what made Voivod. I don’t think Voivod is a super moron,
That’d be my parents.
What’s your parent? A robot not program to steal?
You don’t know what parents are? Is English a second language for you or are you just REALLY slow?
isn’t it? <g>
That you think is itself in question. Perhaps next time
you might spend a few moments pondering your (f)lames
so they make even a modicum of sense.
I am thinking Voivod is a thing, because in this dirty world (besides
We’ve already touched on the chances of you actually thinking.
the new born), I have never heard or seen any human doesn’t know how to steal and kill.
And you don’t see a difference between knowing HOW to do something and NOT doing it?
Voivod, people downloading Photoshop is Adobe’s problem, but listening
the liar telling the lie is our problem. If you are that clean then I will lower my head to you, but I know 100% sure that you are not only dirty but a poor liar.
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:09:47 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:you
"Voivod" wrote in message
So what’s your next argument for being a thief?because I want to, same way as your life is not whiter than white. I bet
Dont have a static ip address.have broken the law, or stolen even a pen from your workplace. If you say you have not, then you are a liar plain and simple
I’ve always noticed (and been highly amused by) thieves who justify their ways by saying ‘everyone else does it’ and then saying they’re a liar if they don’t. Even if I were a thief (please note the usage of ‘even if’ which is not an admission of being a thief (like you) but a postulation on a possible reality) *I* wouldn’t be stupid enough to discuss and brag about it in a public forum where Adobe and other vendors can have access to your IP address….
So what else ya got, thief?
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:09:47 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:you
"Voivod" wrote in message
So what’s your next argument for being a thief?because I want to, same way as your life is not whiter than white. I bet
Dont have a static ip address.have broken the law, or stolen even a pen from your workplace. If you say you have not, then you are a liar plain and simple
I’ve always noticed (and been highly amused by) thieves who justify their ways by saying ‘everyone else does it’ and then saying they’re a liar if they don’t. Even if I were a thief (please note the usage of ‘even if’ which is not an admission of being a thief (like you) but a postulation on a possible reality) *I* wouldn’t be stupid enough to discuss and brag about it in a public forum where Adobe and other vendors can have access to your IP address….
So what else ya got, thief?
You lie all the time, at least I am honest
You are a liar plain and simple
Ih, and a theif yorelf.
how much stock have you taken from work then/ Liar
Voivod, people downloading Photoshop is Adobe’s problem, but listening
It’s all of our problems, well those of us who legally own the program that is, since thieves like you help drive up the cost of software.
the liar telling the lie is our problem. If you are that clean then I will lower my head to you, but I know 100% sure that you are not only dirty but a poor liar.
You know that 100% for sure do you? So you’re a psychic
as well as a thief? You don’t know shit about me and all you want to do is drag me down to your miserable level
because you’re incapable of aspiring any higher.
So what else ya got, thief?Dont have a static ip address.
And that’s supposed to mean something?
It’s not like your provider doesn’t know who
had what IP address at what time.
You lie all the time, at least I am honest
You’re honest? You admit you’re a thief and
you want to pass yourself off as honest because
you can admit you’re a thief? Fuck, you broke
my irony meter,,,,
You are a liar plain and simple
And yet you have no proof whatsoever of that
statement. But then seeing as you’ll freely admit
you’re a thief I guess libel isn’t something you’d
be leery of committing as well.
Ih, and a theif yorelf.
No, you just want to believe everyone else is a
thief like you,
how much stock have you taken from work then/ Liar
Well, ok, 20 years ago I ate a burger without paying for it, but they were going to throw it away anyhow….
In other words, just because YOU’RE a thief doesn’t
make everyone else a thief. But if that’s the only way
you can get to sleep at night…
Voivod, people downloading Photoshop is Adobe’s problem, but listening
It’s all of our problems, well those of us who legally own the program that is, since thieves like you help drive up the cost of software.
the liar telling the lie is our problem. If you are that clean then I will lower my head to you, but I know 100% sure that you are not only dirty but a poor liar.
You know that 100% for sure do you? So you’re a psychic
as well as a thief? You don’t know shit about me and all you want to do is drag me down to your miserable level
because you’re incapable of aspiring any higher.
Voivod wrote:
So what else ya got, thief?Dont have a static ip address.
And that’s supposed to mean something?
It’s not like your provider doesn’t know who
had what IP address at what time.
Voivod, don’t you think that I can change IP to smash the lying thief like yourself anytime? Who knows, I may be using modem before you were
born or at least before you know what computer is.
You lie all the time, at least I am honest
You’re honest? You admit you’re a thief and
you want to pass yourself off as honest because
you can admit you’re a thief? Fuck, you broke
my irony meter,,,,
You are a liar plain and simple
And yet you have no proof whatsoever of that
statement. But then seeing as you’ll freely admit
you’re a thief I guess libel isn’t something you’d
be leery of committing as well.
Ih, and a theif yorelf.
No, you just want to believe everyone else is a
thief like you,
how much stock have you taken from work then/ Liar
Well, ok, 20 years ago I ate a burger without paying for it, but they were going to throw it away anyhow….
And 20 years later, we will teach you not to lie on everything. And what you have are stealing now is muh much much more than the burger and many others you stole 20 years ago.
In other words, just because YOU’RE a thief doesn’t
make everyone else a thief. But if that’s the only way
you can get to sleep at night…
IOW, telling other a thief doesn’t mean you don’t steal *but* just a lying thief. Even if you pay for your Photoshop you still are a thief and no better than any other thief *except* lying. When you laying dead in your own coffin, you will become a dead thief (or "a poor lying dead thief").
Hahahaha a lying thief casts the first stone <g>
I know you’re not only a thief but a poor liar. I sure don’t know what you look like, but I am 100% sure you are a lying thief.
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:44:03 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:
I know you’re not only a thief but a poor liar. I sure don’t know what you look like, but I am 100% sure you are a lying thief.
How’s it feel to be that wrong?
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:08:11 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:
Voivod wrote:
So what else ya got, thief?Dont have a static ip address.
And that’s supposed to mean something?
It’s not like your provider doesn’t know who
had what IP address at what time.
Voivod, don’t you think that I can change IP to smash the lying thief like yourself anytime? Who knows, I may be using modem before you were
Nope, you’re far too stupid to be able to spoof an IP address.
born or at least before you know what computer is.
It’s highly doubtful you owned a computer 20 years ago.
Voivod wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:44:03 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:
I know you’re not only a thief but a poor liar. I sure don’t know what you look like, but I am 100% sure you are a lying thief.
How’s it feel to be that wrong?
I am 100% sure I won’t lose a burger over this <g>
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:52:38 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:
And that’s supposed to mean something?
It’s not like your provider doesn’t know who
had what IP address at what time.
You lie all the time, at least I am honest
You’re honest? You admit you’re a thief and
you want to pass yourself off as honest because
you can admit you’re a thief? Fuck, you broke
my irony meter,,,,
You are a liar plain and simple
And yet you have no proof whatsoever of that
statement. But then seeing as you’ll freely admit
you’re a thief I guess libel isn’t something you’d
be leery of committing as well.
No, you just want to believe everyone else is a
thief like you,
how much stock have you taken from work then/ Liar
Well, ok, 20 years ago I ate a burger without paying for it, but they were going to throw it away anyhow….
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:08:11 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:LIAR, THEIF AND A BURGER BOY!
*yawn* You can yell it all you want it still won’t make it true.
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:44:03 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:You tell us liar, thief and a Burger Boy that you are
I know you’re not only a thief but a poor liar. I sure don’t know what you look like, but I am 100% sure you are a lying thief.
How’s it feel to be that wrong?
You’re a 100% sure of a lot of things, none right, but if calling other people thieves because you’re a thief gets you through the day then whatever…. You’re still wrong.See, I knew it! you are a liar as you do not understand the irony of your last statement. THIEF
But the ISP has to also have a valid address :-0
Get back to your mobile home
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:16:52 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:Hey Burger Boy, Hit home have we?
Get back to your mobile home
You’re a sad, sad little man. Buh-bye.
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:14:52 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:As well as being a Burger boy, you cannot realise that the address I am talking about is actual living address.
But the ISP has to also have a valid address :-0
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NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-128-217-234.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: titan.btinternet.com 1069316092 409 81.128.217.234 (20 Nov 2003 08:14:52 GMT)
I guess you know nothing about headers, huh?
<snipping the rest of your drivel>
As well as being a Burger boy, you cannot realise that the address I am talking about is actual living address.
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:16:52 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:Hey Burger Boy, Hit home have we?
Get back to your mobile home
You’re a sad, sad little man. Buh-bye.
So if your job is a a burger flipper at Chucky Cheese, then there is NO WAY
you could afford a legit copy of PS, so like the Reverends who scream about family values whilst shafting their choirboys, you must have stolen your copy of PS as well
Thief, Liar, oldest Burger Boy in town
Loser, not luser, no wonder after twenty years you are still woking for Chucky Cheese*yawn* last time, buh-bye, luser.
"Voivod" BURGER BOY wrote in message
Loser, not luser, no wonder after twenty years you are still woking for Chucky Cheese*yawn* last time, buh-bye, luser.
and you are "woking" for ….?
🙂 hehe.
ruth
Careful Ruth – you will be getting involved in something which has been running longer than "Friends" but which does not have quite the samehumour
or the same "feelgood" factor
Harry
"Ruth" wrote in message
and you are "woking" for ….?
🙂 hehe.
ruth
"Voivod" BURGER BOY wrote in message
Loser, not luser, no wonder after twenty years you are still woking for Chucky Cheese*yawn* last time, buh-bye, luser.
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:51:18 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:
Voivod wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:44:03 -0600, (Joe) scribbled:
I know you’re not only a thief but a poor liar. I sure don’t know what you look like, but I am 100% sure you are a lying thief.
How’s it feel to be that wrong?
I am 100% sure I won’t lose a burger over this <g>
You’re a 100% sure of a lot of things, none right, but if calling other people thieves because you’re a thief gets you through the day then whatever…. You’re still wrong.
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:14:52 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:
But the ISP has to also have a valid address :-0
Path: !btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <bpht5s$cp$>
NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-128-217-234.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: titan.btinternet.com 1069316092 409 81.128.217.234 (20 Nov 2003 08:14:52 GMT)
I guess you know nothing about headers, huh?
<snipping the rest of your drivel>
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:17:08 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:
As well as being a Burger boy, you cannot realise that the address I am talking about is actual living address.
You mean the address the phone or cable connection
originates from? They’ve got it. You’re not really up
on the IT thing, are ya?
"Voivod" BURGER BOY wrote in message
You’re a 100% sure of a lot of things, none right, but if calling other people thieves because you’re a thief gets you through the day then whatever…. You’re still wrong.See, I knew it! you are a liar as you do not understand the irony of your last statement. THIEF
get back to cooking those big Macs
I cooked a Mac once – left it running overnight and the cat went to sleepon
top of it – following morning dead Mac warm cat.
Um no. Just a demo. Adobe’s website doesn’t have it.newsgroups?
"Colyn" wrote in message
It was Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:14:52 -0500, when "BW" muttered these words:
Does anybody know where I can download Photoshop CS in these
You mean steal it??
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Fort Worth, Texas
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http://www.colyngoodson.com
http://www.colyngoodson.com/sale.html
http://www.colyngoodson.com/manuals.html
I find it fascinating that I, and many people like me, would never think of shoplifting a computer program from Staples or a CD from HMV. Yet we think nothing of bootleg disks.
I wonder if those high prices — I saw Photoshop 7 for C$999 a couple of weeks ago— are designed to compensate the company for the revenue lost to the bootleggers.
I’m even more surprised that the software companies have not come up with a fool proof security system.
ds
i think it’s arguable that most piracy really doesn’t hurt companies like adobe and ‘May’ even help, not that i’m advocating piracy, mind you. i can see where piracy of the windows opsystem hurts M$, but does anybody really want anything else they make???? would you pay $100 for IE when mozilla beats the snot out of it and is free.
the people who steal and use PS are not the ones who would break out $700 for a copy anyway – But they may have talent and produce work that only increases the "want" for the product they use.
Dick Smyth wrote:
I find it fascinating that I, and many people like me, would never think of shoplifting a computer program from Staples or a CD from HMV. Yet we think nothing of bootleg disks.
I wonder if those high prices — I saw Photoshop 7 for C$999 a couple of weeks ago— are designed to compensate the company for the revenue lost to the bootleggers.
I’m even more surprised that the software companies have not come up with a fool proof security system.
ds
i think it’s arguable that most piracy really doesn’t hurt companies like adobe and ‘May’ even help, not that i’m advocating piracy, mind you. i can see where piracy of the windows opsystem hurts M$, but does anybody really want anything else they make???? would you pay $100 for IE when mozilla beats the snot out of it and is free.
the people who steal and use PS are not the ones who would break out $700 for a copy anyway – But they may have talent and produce work that only increases the "want" for the product they use.
James Connell wrote:
i think it’s arguable that most piracy really doesn’t hurt companies like adobe and ‘May’ even help, not that i’m advocating piracy, mind you. i can see where piracy of the windows opsystem hurts M$, but does anybody really want anything else they make???? would you pay $100 for IE when mozilla beats the snot out of it and is free.
the people who steal and use PS are not the ones who would break out $700 for a copy anyway – But they may have talent and produce work that only increases the "want" for the product they use.
You would be surprised how many companies buy ONE copy and then use that on several machines. Sometimes they do this because they are thrifty and it’s too easy, sometimes simply because people don’t even realise this is illegal. I suppose that this is why Adobe is using activation. Not to stop the real thieves, because they get the crack and still steal Photoshop anyway. Not to stop the home user, because he will still not buy Photoshop if he can’t copy it, but to stop the use of multiple installations of one legal copy in the business environment.
Me, if I didn’t have a $100 for FULL version of Photoshop when I purchased the scanner many years ago, I wouldn’t spend $600-700 (not even $400-500) to buy the first version of Photoshop, and wouldn’t upgrade to newer version etc.. So, I got my first Photoshop because the price was right, and upgraded (twice) because I got used with Photoshop that I don’t like to use other. Example, many people say Paint Shop Pro. is good (I think it may have more than what I need too), but since I always have Photoshop and know Photoshop pretty well, I wouldn’t use PSP even they give me for free, or they may have to pay me to use it (not because it’s bad but I will have to learn how to use it).
i use a pc so i’m running w98se.
(Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:
James Connell wrote:
i think it’s arguable that most piracy really doesn’t hurt companies like adobe and ‘May’ even help, not that i’m advocating piracy, mind you. i can see where piracy of the windows opsystem hurts M$, but does anybody really want anything else they make???? would you pay $100 for IE when mozilla beats the snot out of it and is free.
the people who steal and use PS are not the ones who would break out $700 for a copy anyway – But they may have talent and produce work that only increases the "want" for the product they use.
You would be surprised how many companies buy ONE copy and then use that on several machines. Sometimes they do this because they are thrifty and it’s too easy, sometimes simply because people don’t even realise this is illegal. I suppose that this is why Adobe is using activation. Not to stop the real thieves, because they get the crack and still steal Photoshop anyway. Not to stop the home user, because he will still not buy Photoshop if he can’t copy it, but to stop the use of multiple installations of one legal copy in the business environment.
If you and Adobe just realize
James Connell wrote:
i think it’s arguable that most piracy really doesn’t hurt companies like adobe and ‘May’ even help, not that i’m advocating piracy, mind you. i can see where piracy of the windows opsystem hurts M$, but does anybody really want anything else they make???? would you pay $100 for IE when mozilla beats the snot out of it and is free.
the people who steal and use PS are not the ones who would break out $700 for a copy anyway – But they may have talent and produce work that only increases the "want" for the product they use.
You would be surprised how many companies buy ONE copy and then use that on several machines. Sometimes they do this because they are thrifty and it’s too easy, sometimes simply because people don’t even realise this is illegal. I suppose that this is why Adobe is using activation. Not to stop the real thieves, because they get the crack and still steal Photoshop anyway. Not to stop the home user, because he will still not buy Photoshop if he can’t copy it, but to stop the use of multiple installations of one legal copy in the business environment.
Joe wrote:Me, if I didn’t have a $100 for FULL version of Photoshop when I purchased the scanner many years ago, I wouldn’t spend $600-700 (not even $400-500) to buy the first version of Photoshop, and wouldn’t upgrade to newer version etc.. So, I got my first Photoshop because the price was right, and upgraded (twice) because I got used with Photoshop that I don’t like to use other. Example, many people say Paint Shop Pro. is good (I think it may have more than what I need too), but since I always have Photoshop and know Photoshop pretty well, I wouldn’t use PSP even they give me for free, or they may have to pay me to use it (not because it’s bad but I will have to learn how to use it).
well i used PaintShop Pro 5 (i think it might have been 4) for a while and liked it. i reently got the test copy of PSP8 and threw it out before loading it completely – it demanded i use IE 6 – i will not buy nor will i use any more M$ products nor will i use any product that requires some other company’s shitty software ( other than a basic opsys)to work – how would you like it if you bought a car that didn’t come with tires and it would only work on one other company’s gass and tires even though that company’s products got 1/2 the milage and went flat easily.
i use a pc so i’m running w98se. i guess you could say it’s a pirated copy since it’s been installed on every box i’ve used since ’95 – i only bought the upgrade to win 95 which came with my first pentium box in ’95, i don’t buy computers i like to build them up myself ( usualy a piece or to at a time, i’ve still got a hard drive or 2 from before ’90, and some of the sys i’m useing now still has the ’95 parts in it) – i will not upgrade nor will i buy XP.
so both Adobe and JASC have lost a customer, when i finaly *MUST* get a new opsystem i’ll go to linux and gimp ect.
You would be surprised how many companies buy ONE copy and then use that on several machines. Sometimes they do this because they are thrifty and it’s too easy, sometimes simply because people don’t even realise this is illegal. I suppose that this is why Adobe is using activation. Not to stop the real thieves, because they get the crack and still steal Photoshop anyway. Not to stop the home user, because he will still not buy Photoshop if he can’t copy it, but to stop the use of multiple installations of one legal copy in the business environment.
You would think that the way to deal with this would be
to find a few such companies and then sue them. The
resultant publicity would cause most other companies to
pay up. No company can stand that kind of negative
publicity.
Paul J Gans wrote:
You would be surprised how many companies buy ONE copy and then use that on several machines. Sometimes they do this because they are thrifty and it’s too easy, sometimes simply because people don’t even realise this is illegal. I suppose that this is why Adobe is using activation. Not to stop the real thieves, because they get the crack and still steal Photoshop anyway. Not to stop the home user, because he will still not buy Photoshop if he can’t copy it, but to stop the use of multiple installations of one legal copy in the business environment.
You would think that the way to deal with this would be
to find a few such companies and then sue them. The
resultant publicity would cause most other companies to
pay up. No company can stand that kind of negative
publicity.
True, but it might not be that easy. First they have to find them. Then they have to get evidence, without having a search warrant. How do you prove illegal use without having the right to enter the building and search the computers? Using spyware could be the answer, but spyware may be illegal and evidence based on spyware may not hold up in court. Adobe is a member of the Business Software Alliance. The BSA is already doing what you suggest, but apparently Adobe doesn’t think that’s enough.
Johan W. Elzenga wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
You would be surprised how many companies buy ONE copy and then use that on several machines. Sometimes they do this because they are thrifty and it’s too easy, sometimes simply because people don’t even realise this is illegal. I suppose that this is why Adobe is using activation. Not to stop the real thieves, because they get the crack and still steal Photoshop anyway. Not to stop the home user, because he will still not buy Photoshop if he can’t copy it, but to stop the use of multiple installations of one legal copy in the business environment.
You would think that the way to deal with this would be
to find a few such companies and then sue them. The
resultant publicity would cause most other companies to
pay up. No company can stand that kind of negative
publicity.
True, but it might not be that easy. First they have to find them. Then they have to get evidence, without having a search warrant. How do you prove illegal use without having the right to enter the building and search the computers? Using spyware could be the answer, but spyware may be illegal and evidence based on spyware may not hold up in court. Adobe is a member of the Business Software Alliance. The BSA is already doing what you suggest, but apparently Adobe doesn’t think that’s enough.
It has been done in the past and usually was done by a
disgruntled (former) employee coming forward.
I’d be happier if I thought they’d tried to go that route first, because that’s where they are losing money.
Paul J Gans wrote:
Johan W. Elzenga wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
You would be surprised how many companies buy ONE copy and then use that on several machines. Sometimes they do this because they are thrifty and it’s too easy, sometimes simply because people don’t even realise this is illegal. I suppose that this is why Adobe is using activation. Not to stop the real thieves, because they get the crack and still steal Photoshop anyway. Not to stop the home user, because he will still not buy Photoshop if he can’t copy it, but to stop the use of multiple installations of one legal copy in the business environment.
You would think that the way to deal with this would be
to find a few such companies and then sue them. The
resultant publicity would cause most other companies to
pay up. No company can stand that kind of negative
publicity.
True, but it might not be that easy. First they have to find them. Then they have to get evidence, without having a search warrant. How do you prove illegal use without having the right to enter the building and search the computers? Using spyware could be the answer, but spyware may be illegal and evidence based on spyware may not hold up in court. Adobe is a member of the Business Software Alliance. The BSA is already doing what you suggest, but apparently Adobe doesn’t think that’s enough.
It has been done in the past and usually was done by a
disgruntled (former) employee coming forward.
I’d be happier if I thought they’d tried to go that route first, because that’s where they are losing money.
I don’t understand. They HAVE tried to go that route first. Adobe has been a member of BSA for many years. Seems to me that they’ve decided it didn’t work, so now they have decided to do something else (activation).
oooooohhhhh.
so its ok to steal it.
but only if you need it.
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:35:13 +0000 (UTC), "Ruth" wrote:
oooooohhhhh.
so its ok to steal it.
but only if you need it.
On the other hand if you *don’t* need it then you are not exactly "stealing" anything from Adobe. Afterall what is there to steal if you never would have purchased it anyway?
And if you really learn to use it just because it looks interesting you are increasing the overall value the product to Adobe by making it more generaly usable in a work environment (where presumabley you boss would not dare steal his copy).
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:28:39 GMT, Fred Athearn
scribbled:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:35:13 +0000 (UTC), "Ruth" wrote:
oooooohhhhh.
so its ok to steal it.
but only if you need it.
On the other hand if you *don’t* need it then you are not exactly "stealing" anything from Adobe. Afterall what is there to steal if you never would have purchased it anyway?
So I could steal a Ferrari since I’d never buy one?
How about
a Mac? I’d sure as shit never BUY one of those, so is it ok to steal that too?
What about a steamroller, I don’t have any
plans to buy heavy construction equipment, so it’s ok for me to steal one?
And if you really learn to use it just because it looks interesting you are increasing the overall value the product to Adobe by making it more generaly usable in a work environment (where presumabley you boss would not dare steal his copy).
What a load of horse shit. Another sad, pathetic fool trying to justify theft. Fuck off, imbecile, your logic is crap.
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:52:55 GMT, Voivod wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:28:39 GMT, Fred Athearn
scribbled:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:35:13 +0000 (UTC), "Ruth" wrote:
oooooohhhhh.
so its ok to steal it.
but only if you need it.
On the other hand if you *don’t* need it then you are not exactly "stealing" anything from Adobe. Afterall what is there to steal if you never would have purchased it anyway?
So I could steal a Ferrari since I’d never buy one?
Well but in the case of a car, stealing one would deprive its owner of its use.
How about
a Mac? I’d sure as shit never BUY one of those, so is it ok to steal that too?
That is like a car. When you steal one there is one less somewhere else.
What about a steamroller, I don’t have any
plans to buy heavy construction equipment, so it’s ok for me to steal one?
Same answer. Those things are all hardware and each one takes an effort to make.
And if you really learn to use it just because it looks interesting you are increasing the overall value the product to Adobe by making it more generaly usable in a work environment (where presumabley you boss would not dare steal his copy).
What a load of horse shit. Another sad, pathetic fool trying to justify theft. Fuck off, imbecile, your logic is crap.
I am just pointing out that there is a difference between hardware and software. The economics of buying and selling it are different and
also the economic results of certain software become widely available to people who are unwilling or unable to purchase it are different from a situation where, for example, an auto or computer showroom is looted.
Neither of us are fools, but you are teaching Sunday school while am trying to make a rather different point.
BTW I purchased my CS upgrade fair and square.
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:28:39 GMT, Fred Athearn
scribbled:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:35:13 +0000 (UTC), "Ruth" wrote:So I could steal a Ferrari since I’d never buy one? How about a Mac?
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:28:39 GMT, Fred Athearn
scribbled:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:35:13 +0000 (UTC), "Ruth" wrote:So I could steal a Ferrari since I’d never buy one? How about a Mac?
As in the past, you have admitted to stealing a Mac from your employer, Burger boy, you have answered your own question.
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:57:14 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:Its very amusing to everyone else that you have set yourself up as the guardian to adobe, whilst admitting that in your job, which you still have, of flipping burgers, you stole one from your employer
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:28:39 GMT, Fred Athearn
scribbled:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:35:13 +0000 (UTC), "Ruth" wrote:So I could steal a Ferrari since I’d never buy one? How about a Mac?
As in the past, you have admitted to stealing a Mac from your employer, Burger boy, you have answered your own question.
Nope, I never admitted to stealing a Mac, nice try though. Do continue with your obsession, it’s fairly amusing.
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:57:14 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:Its very amusing to everyone else that you have set yourself up as the guardian to adobe, whilst admitting that in your job, which you still have, of flipping burgers, you stole one from your employer
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:28:39 GMT, Fred Athearn
scribbled:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:35:13 +0000 (UTC), "Ruth" wrote:So I could steal a Ferrari since I’d never buy one? How about a Mac?
As in the past, you have admitted to stealing a Mac from your employer, Burger boy, you have answered your own question.
Nope, I never admitted to stealing a Mac, nice try though. Do continue with your obsession, it’s fairly amusing.
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:24:53 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:Big Mac and fries please Lying Burger Boy thief.
The only ‘everyone else’ who is amused by the stories you make up to make your pathetic life seem just a little less pathetic is you.
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:24:53 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:Big Mac and fries please Lying Burger Boy thief.
The only ‘everyone else’ who is amused by the stories you make up to make your pathetic life seem just a little less pathetic is you.
*yawn* obsessed fuckwit.Yes, everyone who uses this newsgroup knows that you are.
*On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:52:38 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:
And that’s supposed to mean something?
It’s not like your provider doesn’t know who
had what IP address at what time. *
Damn Voiv and here you had me thinkin you were smart n shit!
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