You’re dreaming….Adobe said 64 bit Windows version of CS4 "when it ships" and they didn’t say ANYTHING about when that might be. It sure as heck ain’t gonna be May.
this just in from a reliable source (asterisks)!!! cs4 will be out next week! and there’ll be a 128 bit version! and all the csi features we’ve been asking for will be there! get your orders in!!! 🙂
Salesrep: "Our new version is a step backward in quality and reliability. We’re counting on your irrational need to have the latest version of every software product."
Nah. Now if I start using words like "whippersnapper" and phrases like "back in my day" regularly in sentences, I would start showing someone elses age, but not my own.
If I said stuff like "I remember when my Atari 2600 was the envy of the neighborhood," then I would be showing my age.
Anyway, Adobe will release whatever it wants whenever it wants, but the only thing we can be sure of is that they won’t wait too long before they release it. They just can’t stand new product being more than 2 years old.
Have path features been expanded to include some ‘streamline’ illustrator behaviors, have the pen tool in both applications been made more ‘similar’ to each other for keystrokes, etc.?
That’s my main area of interest as I like to work with vectors a lot.
Looks like some great stuff in that upgrade this time. Ann you will be pleased as I was to see that maybe they were listening to us after all a LOT of stuff I have asked for, and many people have. Its great to see these little things
Return to three "F" screen modes (vs. CS3’s four), Application frame (optional on Mac for those who want more managed document/window handling)
Delete multiple channels at once.
Eyedropper option to sample all layers or just the current layer
Layer masks can now stay linked to Smart Objects while moving/transforming the objects
Perspective transform: You can now apply non-uniform transforms to pixel-based SOs – Distort too?
Only one major worry in there Adjustments panel, whats this? hopefully not some huge dialog of some sort, if it is I hope its optional
Oh, just stuff to make it easy for beginners then. Making the already obvious even more obvious, banging people over the head with whats been there for years anyway
improved color range, lets hope it improves the FUNCTIONALITY of color range and not just the interface.
Ability to adjust the density (opacity) of a layer mask – was there already just by hitting command L and sliding the output slider. Lets see if this has any practical use.
Ability to add non-destructive feathering to a layer mask – if this is available on VECTOR masks too then it has all kinds of great uses
Ken there was no Distort transform in CS3 on SO’s – only skew, and warp obviously
If you’ve used it long enough, is the limit on the number of fonts showing on the menu still there? Or are we doomed to continue to be "entertained" by questions from users who can’t see their fonts in Photoshop?
Or are we doomed to continue to be "entertained" by questions from users who can’t see their fonts in Photoshop?
Of course, for those of us with a gazillion fonts, it’s a non-issue if we intelligently manage our fonts. But then again, there’s still the camp that will never believe that just because you can do something, it doesn’t mean you should. <g>
At least, it appears we can look forward to some useful changes in PS4. If similar holds true for the rest of the Suite, many of us will be looking forward to the upgrade.
Ann, did you check out the entire suite? I saw enough on the demos that I am very excited about a few of the apps. Illustrator has multiple pages, the new brush which creates things in objects. That alone will save me a lot of time.
There are just too many things to mention. I just want to know its pretty solid.
All that I can tell you is that what I have seen has been rock-solid and very exciting but we will have to wait for the Shipped version to fully experience it.
Illustrator doesn’t have multiple pages – it has multiple artboards. Which is not the same thing. InDesign has a lot of very good stuff too. I only wish that DreamWeaver CS4 would have more of GoLive in it than it has. For more info go to adobe.com and read the product pages. It is all there.
Ann or Buko, Do you if my pet peeve Crop+Rotate+DownSample bug got fixed? First time I posted here, years ago, was about image distortion when doing all three in one step. I mentioned it on J Nacks blog, he emailed me saying he had no idea what I was talking about.
CS4 was written for Leopard (while CS3 was not because Leopard did not then exist in its final form) so I think that you can expect CS4 to outperform CS3 in the situations that you mentioned.
The big questions for me is if it these things in Photoshop CS4 will work better in Leopard than Photoshop CS3: No (at least less) crashes.
CS3 in my (Macbook Pro and Mac Pro, 10.4.11, no network volumes) experience has been as solid as an app can be; CS4 could not be more solid. Operations under 10.5.x and network volumes are another issue…
But you will need to put a GL video card (which I do not yet have) in your computer to use some of the features.
Mac OS PowerPC® G5 or multicore Intel® processor Mac OS X v10.4.1110.5.4 512MB of RAM (1GB recommended) 2GB of available hard-disk space for installation; additional free space required during installation (cannot install on a volume that uses a case-sensitive file system or on flash-based storage devices) 1,024×768 display (1,280×800 recommended) with 16-bit video card Some GPU-accelerated features require graphics support for Shader Model 3.0 and OpenGL 2.0 DVD-ROM drive QuickTime 7.2 software required for multimedia features Broadband Internet connection required for online services*
I’m thrilled with CS4, but I’m already looking forward to CS5 or CS6 on the Illustrator side. Freehand gave Adobe ownership of all the dream features an artist could want. Some have been brought in to Illustrator and I applaud Adobe for that. I encourage Adobe to continue on this path. Other than that I’m extremely happy with all of the CS4 package as it looks to be another super great upgrade.
Adobe (finally!) taking real advantage of GPUs introduces another parameter for us to discuss as regards CS4 performance. The 7300GT is a relatively lame card in today’s GPU world. Far more powerful cards are available in the $200 price range.
After production versions of CS4 have been on the street for a few weeks we will see real-world test results from the folks at barefeats.com and others that will help us all decide which cards are most cost effective.
I have a 7800GT card on my G5 Quad. Do you know how lame that one is (at least it seems to meet the specs)?
Like I said earlier, after production versions of CS4 have been on the street for a few weeks we will see real-world test results from the folks at barefeats.com and others that will help us all decide which cards are most cost effective.
CS3 in my (Macbook Pro and Mac Pro, 10.4.11, no network volumes) experience has been >as solid as an app can be; CS4 could not be more solid than that. Operations under 10.5.x >and network volumes might be another issue. I would look to system setup/maintenance, >installed extraneous low end apps, network operation and OS 10.5 for causes for crashes, >because frequent crashes are not inherent to CS3 per se.
I don’t mean it’s crashing frequently, but still more often than it should.
Thanks for the info! Our stability issues might be because of working over the network quite often, i.e. storing the on a network volume and open/saving to that. I know it’s not supported, but we have to work this way. But as you say, your not on Leopard. At the same time I know there were crashes on Tiger too.
Personally if I had a G5 (I skipped that Mac generation) I probably would not invest in retrofitting it, except maybe RAM. I would put the money toward saving for a MacIntel upgrade.
Maybe not. I bought my G5 Dual 1.8 Ghz new/in box from a client for $1000 after new models replaced it. I replaced the original 80 GB drive with a pair of 250 GB Maxtors; the original Pioneer CD/DVD with a new Pioneer that added DVD-DL capability; replaced the old video card with a more capable ATI Radeon; and added 2 GB RAM. And upgraded the OS to Tiger. So, for my needs, with about $600 in upgrades, I’ve had a decent, very reliable tower.
Now I’m waiting for reports on how the new Creative Suite and Leopard play together so I can finally retire this hardware.
Thanks for the clarification! I wasn’t sure about your timeframe.
<pssst!> Maybe I can make you an offer on a nice G5! Actually, would you believe that my client (Windows-based) is asking me when I’m gonna upgrade? He wants to buy back the computer I bought from him because he finds Macs just do some things better. <lol>
The advantage of preordering any of the Creative Suite now is that you’ll be closer to the top of the list and earlier delivery.
The disadvantage of preordering any of the Creative Suite now is that you’ll be closer to the top of the list and earlier delivery.
Early adopters bear the greatest risk of being bitten by uncaught bugs in the new software. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. Just be aware of possible early issues. But, you should be able to keep CS3 on your system as a fallback and as you learn and explore the new software.
Also important, and depending upon which apps you are interested in, check the system requirements carefully. And be sure that your current computer can do better than squeak by.
The advantage of preordering any of the Creative Suite now is that you’ll be closer to the top of the list and earlier delivery.
The disadvantage of preordering any of the Creative Suite now is that you’ll be closer to the top of the list and earlier delivery.
Early adopters bear the greatest risk of being bitten by uncaught bugs in the new software. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. Just be aware of possible early issues. But, you should be able to keep CS3 on your system as a fallback and as you learn and explore the new software.
Also important, check the system requirements carefully for each Creative Suite app you’re interested in. And be sure that your current computer can do better than just squeak by.
* Somewhere in all those videos and web pages, I saw November 7 as the shipping date. How reliable that is, I can’t tell.
* Anyone interested in whether a given card is enough to power CS4 on a G4, look up the tech specs for that card and see if it supports Shader 3 (or Shader level 3).
* Anyone disgusted with an aging but fully functional G5 that they’d be willing to sell at a really (well, reasonably) cheap price, drop me an email. 😉
From what I have seen so far of CS4, I don’t think that you have much to worry about.
This is NOT your old CS3!
Just one thing to think about though, if you don’t mind waiting a couple of weeks after CS4 ships, you can usually buy Adobe software from Amazon.com for less than from the Adobe Store.
if you don’t mind waiting a couple of weeks after CS4 ships
Oh, I’ll be waiting much longer than that. This time around I fully plan to use the trial version for the full 30 days first. Since they don’t even post it until a few months after the application starts actually shipping, this will put me well into next Spring. 🙂
you can usually buy Adobe software from Amazon.com for less than from the Adobe Store.
Hehehehe This time the difference is just $1, but Amazon.com gives me free shipping and does not collect sales tax from me, so that’s about another $30 in savings. 😀
Thank goodness CS4 runs in Tiger, otherwise I wouldn’t even be looking into it. I’m not touching Leopard or a MacIntel.
I am surprised no you has mentioned the "red headed step child" treatment Mac users get with this new "Upgrade". The lame 3 GB limit is being lifted for PC users and not for Mac users. The 3 GB limit is a wall that should have been addressed in CS3 if not CS. Now that Adobe has come out and shown the Mac users it lacks respect for us, the most creative people in the world! Why Buy? As a parent (Adobe) has chosen one child over another and has the nerve to ask us to spend $350.00 on a product that wasn’t developed for us. This is something I would expect our government to pull, not Adobe.
It is no surprise (especially since this has been discussed on the forum before). One child makes more money than the other. One child is not as much of developer’s moving target as the other.
Do you think it is that hard to make the program function the same on both systems? Like spending an extra hour writing some code to bring us all into the game is beyond the scope of Adobe. And charging $350. bucks for an upgrade that isn’t created for Mac Users is lame. SHAME SHAME SHAME! I call on all Mac users to Boycott Adobe! Civil Disobedience!
Yes. I think so. PS for Mac needs to be rewritten in a new development environment. This is much more than an extra hour’s worth of work.
You always have Boot Camp and you always have the right to control your wallet. As fewer people buy PS for Mac in a proposed boycott, Adobe will have less desire to pour resources into it.
It just seems to be an enormous slight to the most creative people in the world (Mac Users). This was obviously designed from the ground up and purposely designed to alienate the Mac User. As for Boot Camp, will that idea work? I have had problems with my Vista program in Bootcamp I can’t imaging adding a 64 bit program to it would make it better. As for the added features I haven’t seen or heard of anything that is as big of a leap as CS3 was to CS2. And I think I remember my upgrade to CS3 was $167.00. I appreciate your insight Jim, and I am just ranting. This 3 GB wall has been frustrating to me for years. My Photoshop files are beyond the size of saving them on a DVD. And Blue Ray wasn’t an option when I bought my MacPro Desktop. And After Effects needs as much Ram as I can get into it to be effective.
This was obviously designed from the ground up and purposely designed to alienate the Mac User.
If you read up on the topic, you will see that the problem was designed by Apple jumping around with development environments. So you’ll need to be blaming Apple as much as, if not more than, Adobe. If we want the innovation of Apple, we need to bear the growing pains (motorola/ibm/intel & classic/OSX & carbon/cocoa).
Instead of posting with your emotions out front, please understand the background on Adobe’s decision to hold off on 64-bit processing for Macs. See: <http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-9909725-39.html>
Although it doesn’t make the 14th the official date, the receipt I got for my download pre-order said it was "estimated" to be available on October 14th.
Greg Banks:since the date is by coincidence my birthday
Happy Birthday, Greg!
My CS4 pre-order also says Oct 14 (today).
With CS3 my pre-order ‘estimated’ date came and went w/o any word from Adobe. I forget the specifics but the ‘estimated’ date changed to one later a day or so after the original estimated date passed. The new date was a week or so later.
I’m personally going to hang on a while until the first update. Who knows, by that time I might even get to take delivery of a DVD that is complete and Adobe will hopefully by then have gotten their house in some semblance of order. The final straw for me was reading the blogg from Tom Hogarty that advised buyers that CS4 would be shipping with ACR 5.0 which would NOT include the newest camera support that is already contained in the latest update for CS3 i.e. ACR 4.6 and that buyers would have to wait until next week for a 5.1 update. I suppose in their urgency to reap in the dollars waiting a week longer before releasing CS4 so that it WOULD at least contain the newer camera support that it’s predecessor has would have been asking too much.
On my Workstation (8gb, 2 dual-core processors, Vista 64-bit) I loaded last weekends wedding. Only thing running in the background is Photoshop with just one test image to learn the new program on. I fired up the Bridge, the way it downloaded, no changes, and loaded up the wedding folder. There are 5427 images from the entire day over 3 cameras (Mark III, 5D, Mark II) Total size is 64.4 gb. For adobe to load up the thumbs, sort and finish it’s extractions and wheel-turning, it has so far taken over 50 minutes and we aren’t finished…. The preview extractions are still counting down with somewhere around 2000 images to go, at a rate of 2/second.
I’m no math wiz or PS guru, but when it’s done thinking, I’ll repost the time.
If there is a better way to help the Bridge think, please enlighten me?
I have a trial version of PM that is lightning-fast responsive. I was just hoping the new Bridge would be efficient for filtering the weddings down quickly. CS3 crashed so much that I was forced to get PM last week.
It’s like revisiting Bridge CS3 all over again. turn off the high quality, toggle this on and off. hold down the ctrl key… why can’t it just load them up quickly. If this workstation isn’t good enough, what is?
i’ve turned on software rending, monitor sized previews, increased cache size to max 500,000 and RAW to 5 gb, purged the cache and loaded the exact same folder.
I’m still almost 20 minutes in with 4000 preview extractions to go.
Is there a way to get Bridge to just see the embedded JPG like PM does, or was that feature not included?
found a way. just to the left of the Sort options on the upper right of the screen, under the workspace quick links. It allows you to browse quickly just using the embedded jpegs
My order didn’t process until after midnight, so I haven’t done the download yet. Hope to do it later this afternoon, after getting some work done. Since I finally splurged and got the full Master Collection, I’m anxious to get it installed so I can try out all the new goodies.
My husband has CS4 extended and is having a problem when working on several photos at once. When he switches from one to another, it looks like it closes the previous picture and all you can see is an info bar — inserted into the top of the picture he’s now working on. How can you make CS4 keep ALL of the photos you’re working on open and in view?
Are you referring to the new tab interface in CS4? To get rid of the tabs use Windows>Arrange>Float All in Windows. There is also an Arrange Documents icon on the menu bar. Click and explore.
In Edit>Preferences>Interface you can uncheck the ‘Open Documents as Tabs’ box.
On my computer with CS4 Extended: This Arrange Documents icon on the menu bar doesn’t show all possibilities anymore from one moment to the other….
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Are you referring to the new tab interface in CS4? To get rid of the tabs use Windows>Arrange>Float All in Windows. There is also an Arrange Documents icon on the menu bar.
well i dont know wats wrong i already downlad it 3 times and it still after the downlod it dont want to finish or totally doesnt want to open the set up file.. it says
"the application can not continue until the following applications are closed… "adove media player.exe"
but i closed all the windows i had open and still doing the same, then i unstalled the adobe media player and it still says the same thing…
Uninstall Adobe AIR. This issue is caused by AIR runtime 1.0 if it didn’t update correctly. Any components associated with it, including AMP will prevent an install.
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