Newsflash Nikon D3x Officially Announced…

GB
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g_ballard
Dec 1, 2008
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I have an official Nikon Newsflash in hand announcing the new D3x, dated November 30, 2008.

"Nikon is proud to announce the new 24.5 megapixel FX-format (35.9×24.0mm) D3x digital SLR…Orders for the D3x are being accepted…shipments…scheduled to begin late December…".

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DYP
Dec 1, 2008
Better late than never i suppose.

I suspect that most of us that needed more resolution have more on by now.

But anyway I wish Nikon well.
AS
Ann_Shelbourne
Dec 1, 2008
Greater resolution … but at the cost of noiseless high ISO speeds.

The D3x will not be a "replacement" for many photographers but will be bought in addition to their D3.
AW
Allen_Wicks
Dec 1, 2008
My guess is that only a few can afford to own both. But then again, a lot of folks did own 35mm SLR plus MF film camera systems, so maybe Ann is right and folks will own both D3/D3x. At least they perfectly share lenses and peripherals.

We will need to see production pix from D3x compared against D3 before we will really know the answer to whether or not the D3x could be a "replacement" for the D3 for some photogs (perhaps the ones for whom color depth is more relevant than super-high ISO performance).
AS
Ann_Shelbourne
Dec 2, 2008
Color Depth:

D3 = 14-bit .nef
D3x = 16-bit .nef

BUT…

The D3 can be used right up to 6400 ISO and still produce reproduction-quality images (even up to 25,600 ISO when getting an image at all costs is paramount — noise be damned!)

The D3x tops out at 1600 ISO … and we have yet to see how usable that will be.

For journalists, sports photographers, travel and general shooting: the D3 would be the natural choice.

The D3x would seem to come into its own for studio and tripod-mounted location work and when enlargements above 20" x 12" is required.

You probably will need to buy BOTH of them?!
GB
g_ballard
Dec 2, 2008
My flyer:

….sensitivity range of 100 to 1600 (with Lo1, 50 and Hi 2 up to 6400)

I don’t understand the definition…
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Ann_Shelbourne
Dec 2, 2008
Basically that means that the normal range of ISO speeds for the D3x will be 100-1600 ISO.

The "Lo1, 50 and Hi 2 up to 6400" refers to pixel-boosting using some sort of "Analog Gain" (the sort of thing that you can do on a scanner to drag detail from hopelessly under-exposed transparencies.

In comparison, the D3 offers "Lo1 = 100 and Hi 2 up to 25,600 ISO".

The Hi2 of the D3 at 25,600 ISO is noisy but still usable at a pinch — with noise rather like Tri X grain with pushed development.

We have not yet been shown samples of images shot at high ISO speeds with the D3x (in fact nothing above 200 ISO) … and can only guess why that is!
PF
Peter_Figen
Dec 2, 2008
"I don’t understand the definition…I would find it hard to believe the 3x takes a step back behind the 3, but can’t say what’s going on… "

Gary,

The pixel elements in the D3x are much smaller than in the D3 – 5.49 microns across. That’s what is limiting the noise performance at higher ISO settings. Any ISO setting above the base setting is pushing the analog gain of the system. Past a certain point (apparently 1600 here) and the noise starts to get obtrusive.

Whether or not it’s too noisy for you depends on your needs. I shoot a ton of great images at 3200 on my 1DsMK3 Canon, and my guess is, according to some here, they would be unacceptable for "reproduction" grade images, whatever the hell that means.

Remember when we all used to shoot Agfa 1000 and T-Max3200 BECAUSE of the grain. It can actually be a good thing. Somewhere along the way the notion that great images can only be noiseless got a little too popular. There’s a reason many of our eyes are drawn to the grain and texture of film, and grainy film at that, for specific imagery.
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Ram
Dec 2, 2008
Film grain and digital noise are two different animals. Digital noise is plain obnoxious.

Yes, I shot a great deal with Agfa Isopan Rekord in the 1960s, even pushed it occasionally. If I were still generating income, I’d buy a D3 tomorrow.

Just my two [greatly devalued] cents.
RM
Rick McCleary
Dec 2, 2008
Somewhere along the way the notion that great images can only be noiseless got a little too popular.

This has been one of my pet peeves ever since the advent of digital capture. "Noiseless" capture has been held up as an absolute virtue. More often than not, I end up introducing subtle texture to the medium in order to give the image something for the eye to hold onto. Even when we were shooting Panatomic-X developed in HC-110, there was still texture.

Digital noise is plain obnoxious.

As with everything, that depends.
WZ
Wade_Zimmerman
Dec 2, 2008
The D3 has an almost film like noise when shooting at high ISO and is reminiscent of tri X pushed a stop without he added contrast.

Kind of nice.
RS
Richard_Sjolund
Dec 4, 2008
I can stand a little noise – if the camera lets me get the shot. I did a wedding last week under horrible lighting conditions. I shot with my Nikon D300 – and an f/1.4 – 28 mm lens – I had to use ISO 1600 to get the shutter speed up to 1/60 second – hand held.

I processed the RAW images and added a bit of noise ninja – and the client loved the 8 X 12 inch prints. The noise at 1600 with my D300 is better than my D2x at ISO 400.

I’m eager to try the Nikon D3x.
AS
Ann_Shelbourne
Dec 4, 2008
If you need high ISO then the D3, rather than the D3x, would be the camera of choice.

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