[CS4] Crashes

SW
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Scott_Weichert
Oct 30, 2008
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I’m experiencing a great many application crashes with PhotoshopCS4. Much more so than I’ve ever experienced with any application.

I’ve performed all maintenance short of an archive and install of the OS. This has included general permission repair, testing another user, reinstalling the application, deleting preferences, etc. Yet these crashes continue to occur.

I’m posting the crashed thread below in the hopes that someone may have an insight as to why Photoshop CS4x is so unstable here.

Could it possibly be due to the AllowOldGPU plug in which I had to install to get PS to see both my video cards?

Thanks

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SW
Scott_Weichert
Oct 30, 2008
Crashed thread:
Thread 0:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91c900ae write$NOCANCEL$UNIX2003 + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91d41090 _flush_reset + 17
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91d415cc hex + 540
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91d4217a __simple_bprintf + 1523
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91d42339 _simple_vdprintf + 66
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91d4236a _simple_dprintf + 34
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91d4047a _malloc_vprintf + 144
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91d4077f _malloc_printf + 34
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91d3b11a szone_error + 294
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91c62bb6 allocate_pages + 223
10 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91c82c98 tiny_malloc_from_region_no_lock + 151 11 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91c5a3fd szone_malloc + 196
12 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91c5a2f8 malloc_zone_malloc + 81 13 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91c5a28c malloc + 55
14 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91c9a0b4 _asl_append_string + 97 15 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91cb3f1a asl_format_message + 2242 16 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91c86d68 asl_send + 1863
17 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91c85b81 asl_vlog + 662
18 com.apple.CoreGraphics 0x91f28645 default_log_message + 53 19 com.apple.CoreGraphics 0x91fe93d7 CGPostErrorWithArguments + 24 20 com.apple.CoreGraphics 0x91fe93bd CGPostError + 27
21 libRIP.A.dylib 0x927999d9 __CGWindowContextDelegateCreate + 49 22 com.apple.CoreGraphics 0x91e3eeee CGWindowContextCreate + 190 23 com.apple.QD 0x90599337 BeginCGSContextForPortInternal + 113 24 com.apple.QD 0x905aa383 InternalCreateOrResetCGContextForPort + 249 25 com.apple.QD 0x905b3746 QDBeginCGContext + 226
26 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000caf25 0x1000 + 827173
27 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x0076241e 0x1000 + 7738398
28 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x007647c3 0x1000 + 7747523
29 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x00429d9a 0x1000 + 4361626
30 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x0042af27 0x1000 + 4366119
31 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x002fd61c 0x1000 + 3130908
32 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x002fd843 0x1000 + 3131459
33 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000ce08b 0x1000 + 839819
34 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000d2d82 0x1000 + 859522
35 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000d2f8b 0x1000 + 860043
36 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000d2f8b 0x1000 + 860043
37 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x002fcc9b 0x1000 + 3128475
38 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x002fd61c 0x1000 + 3130908
39 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x002fd843 0x1000 + 3131459
40 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000ce08b 0x1000 + 839819
41 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000d2d82 0x1000 + 859522
42 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000d2f8b 0x1000 + 860043
43 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000d2f8b 0x1000 + 860043
44 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000d9dd5 0x1000 + 888277
45 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000c9fc9 0x1000 + 823241
46 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000d6158 0x1000 + 872792
47 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9061b303 DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 1181
48 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9061a73d SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 405
49 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9061a5a2 SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 58 50 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x90648f14 ToolboxEventDispatcherHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 356
51 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9061b6bc DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 2134
52 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9061a73d SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 405
53 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x90637092 SendEventToEventTarget + 52 54 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x906a3c60 ToolboxEventDispatcher + 86 55 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x906f6d40 GetOrPeekEvent + 399
56 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x906f6a0a GetNextEventMatchingMask + 170 57 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x906f6826 WNEInternal + 151
58 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x906f6785 WaitNextEvent + 54
59 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x00061b72 0x1000 + 396146
60 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x0067174f 0x1000 + 6752079
61 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000638c6 0x1000 + 403654
62 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x00064124 0x1000 + 405796
63 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x000642b3 0x1000 + 406195
64 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x0006260f 0x1000 + 398863
65 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x00220a8a 0x1000 + 2226826
66 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x00220b16 0x1000 + 2226966
67 com.adobe.Photoshop 0x00003cf2 0x1000 + 11506
CC
Chris_Cox
Oct 30, 2008
Scott – that crash is pretty deep inside OS code.

Yes, it could be due to using the OLDGPU plugin – trying to make your driver do things it is not supposed to do.

If you use that plugin, you are taking a huge risk. You should not be relying on that plugin at all.
SW
Scott_Weichert
Oct 30, 2008
Thanks Chris,

I knew there were risks with the plug in. I did read the doc 🙂

the issue is though, without the plug in my nVidia 8800 card isn’t seen at all and GL is not available. I think related to a problem with two, different, video cards being installed.

Seems I’m going to have to choose… GL, no GL, remove a video card, or continue to use PSCS3.
CC
Chris_Cox
Oct 31, 2008
Or contact Apple and ask why 2 supported cards don’t work when installed together.
SW
Scott_Weichert
Oct 31, 2008
Good point.

I’m not pointing fingers, please don’t take it that way. i know my set up is far from standard. I’m sure given 6 months it’ll work fine.
GB
g_ballard
Oct 31, 2008
contact Apple and ask why 2 supported cards don’t work when installed
together.

Actually good advice if you have warranty left — Apple looked into my repeatable CS3 ACR/Bridge/Photoshop crashes and were able to say the stock hardware and operating system was good, so they might have a clue if their video cards are bringing PS down…
WZ
Wade_Zimmerman
Oct 31, 2008
You have the wrong card i would say you either have a newer Intel or you have a newer card.

You have to have as i said the one that Apple has Manufactured for the original MacPro.

As I mentioned already you can get the card cheaper but it is of no use.

And if you paid less then I did then you did not buy the proper card. It cost $279.00 plus tax.
SW
Scott_Weichert
Oct 31, 2008
Wade,

Please, I have to correct card. Purchased from Apple directly for my model.

If you don’t have an 8800 AND a 7300 installed you can’t compare your system to mine. Install both and plug in three monitors. Then your posts on this matter may have a little weight. Simply spouting off that I’m wrong is not helpful. This ain’t my first rodeo.
WZ
Wade_Zimmerman
Oct 31, 2008
Oh I see I apologize, whether they are right or not Tekserve said you can’t do it. I was thinking the same thing.

That was wht gthey said in relation to the 8800.

I will be looking at your situation and it might decide for me if I should finally install my Black Magic card?
SW
Scott_Weichert
Oct 31, 2008
Further confirmation.

Found a thread at Apple related to the same issues I’ve been having. That user had the ATI card and a 7300 card installed and was reportedly experiencing very similar issues as I’ve seen. He posted that he removed the 7300 and everything is solid and as it should be.

I’ll call Apple and complain, then possibly remove my secondary card for a bit and learn to live with only two monitors until Apple addresses the issue.
AS
Ann_Shelbourne
Oct 31, 2008
Scott:

The Adobe TechNote on suitable cards for CS4 specifically mentions difficulties with the 7300 cards and that they have had to make Advanced Drawing unavailable to users of the 7300.

If you need three monitors, you probably need to try using a second 8800 instead of the 7300?
SW
Scott_Weichert
Oct 31, 2008
That doesn’t appear to be the issue Anne. Although I did think of it. The 7300 card is only driving the third monitor now. Photoshop never uses that monitor. Photoshop is restricted to the two monitors driven by the 8800.

In addition, when I had 2-7300s installed I didn’t experience ANYTHING like the instability that now exists. After searching and reading a few more forums it seems fairly clear that the issue is multiple cards that aren’t identical.

I’m confident that the issues would go away if I purchased a second 8800 card. But, honestly, why spend the $300 just to drive my third monitor?

I sent about 15 crash reports to Apple yesterday. I’ll continue to send reports while using CS3 and carefully using CS4 until Apple releases an update. If it gets just unlivable, I’ll pull the 7300 card and deal without the 3rd monitor for a bit.
GB
g_ballard
Oct 31, 2008
I sent about 15 crash reports to Apple yesterday

the cool thing about that if you get their attention (like I did with Apple Care, Case Number) they can call up all those reports with your serial number
SW
Scott_Weichert
Nov 1, 2008
And those were just the ones I clicked "send" on 🙂

Most often crashes occur when creating a new layer, duplicating a layer, or adjusting Layer styles.
AS
Ann_Shelbourne
Nov 1, 2008
Is the 7300 card still installed?
HP
HEAD_Productions
Nov 1, 2008
I am getting a lot of crashes too. Got 6600 card, no extra plug-ins. Thanks Adobe for shipping yet another unfinished product!
SW
Scott_Weichert
Nov 1, 2008
Is the 7300 card still installed?

Yes but so is an 8800 card. I haven’t resolved myself to removing the 7300 yet. I have 3 monitors because I use 3 monitors so I’m hesitant to give that up. I did pull the 7300 and test. With only the 8800 installed everything runs wonderfully.

I am getting a lot of crashes too. Got 6600 card, no extra plug-ins. Thanks Adobe for shipping yet another unfinished product!

Please read the thread. My issues are Apple’s problem. Not due to Photoshop. Photoshop CS4 runs EXCEPTIONALLY well on my MacBookPro. It’s merely the two video cards in the MacPro that cause an issue. With matching video cards or one video card the MacPro runs Photoshop CS4 wonderfully.
GB
g_ballard
Nov 1, 2008
Thanks Adobe for shipping yet another unfinished product!

oh, that’s low…you expect anything as large and complicated as CS4 to be flawless on its first release
A
advance
Nov 2, 2008
Issues seem to be Apple’s problem when two cards that are not identical are installed.

Ah, indeed that is the case with me, a NVIDIA and an ATI card!
B
Buko
Nov 2, 2008
I am getting a lot of crashes too. Got 6600 card, no extra plug-ins. Thanks Adobe for shipping yet another unfinished product!

then you have other issues. I ran CS4 with 6600 for about 8 months with no crashes
HP
HEAD_Productions
Nov 3, 2008
I am getting a lot of crashes too. Got 6600 card, no extra plug-ins. Thanks Adobe for shipping yet another unfinished product!

then you have other issues. I ran CS4 with 6600 for about 8 months with no crashes

nothing crashes. CS3 does not crash. it is PsCS4 only
HOW can you have CS4 for 8 months?
WZ
Wade_Zimmerman
Nov 3, 2008
He can’t answer that question. You have to take his word for it.
HP
HEAD_Productions
Nov 3, 2008
Well if he was using it for 8 months it was still the the final copy. And maybe Ps didn’t take something that is on my system into account. I love Ps. Just want it to work. Sending those crash reports to Apple and Adobe. Maybe they’ll help.
R
Ram
Nov 3, 2008
Buko and Ann have the advantage of running CS4 on PPC machines under 10.4.11.

Sending those crash reports to Apple and Adobe. Maybe they’ll help.

They will help, to the extent Apple forwards them to Adobe.
HP
HEAD_Productions
Nov 3, 2008
They will help, to the extent Apple forwards them to Adobe.

When Ps crashes both Apple and Adobe feedback boxes come up.

Buko and Ann have the advantage of running CS4 on PPC machines under 10.4.11

Really? You guys are running 10.4.11?
P
PShock
Nov 3, 2008
Scott-
I think your only option is a second 8800.

Everything Ive read suggests it’s NEVER been advisable to run two different makes of GPUs in Mac Pros. Notice you can’t configure it this way when buying a new machine. I think you’ll be waiting a LONG time if you wait for a ‘fix’ from Apple. (As in it won’t happen.)

-phil
GB
g_ballard
Nov 3, 2008
Sending those crash reports to… Adobe. Maybe they’ll help.

wouldn’t count on adobe for much help with crash logs…i still can’t get cs3 stable in my particular workflow…i’ve sent adobe close to 15 crash logs…just sent them another one today…they all end in the same line just before "crash"…it seems adobe has moved on to cs4 before finishing cs3…at least you would think 15 crash logs that all end with the same line would offer a clue, but apparently not…
WZ
Wade_Zimmerman
Nov 3, 2008
HEAD

Is it possibly that you have different software and Fonts installed on your Mac? Could it be that you have a conflict that Buko does not have issues with on his Mac as well?

Could you possibly be having hardware problems?

Of course it is possible that you have stumbled on issues that simply he has not encountered, but then one might have to pinpoint the problem to make it possible for Adobe to address the issue(s).

Are there repeatable stePs that can be taken to reproduce these crashes/
HP
HEAD_Productions
Nov 3, 2008
Clean machine. No Extra fonts. Crashes a lot when saving. No other apps crash, including CS3. Have not looked at the crash reports closely, working on a project. And yes still sticking with CS4! (Ran CS3 for about 8 hrs – no crash)
R
Ram
Nov 3, 2008
Yes, we’re running 10.4.11 on non-Intel machines (Buko, Ann and I). I don’t have CS4 yet, but I’m not going anywhere near Leopard, ever.
HP
HEAD_Productions
Nov 3, 2008
Been happy with Leopard. So are you waiting till Snow Leopard?
R
Ram
Nov 3, 2008
Nope. I’m done paying Apple taxes.
R
Ram
Nov 3, 2008
Among other things, Epson will not be updating their Drivers for my 2200 printer for Leopard. Leopard has no Classic environment. I have no use for any of the Leopard features like Spaces or Time Machine.
HP
HEAD_Productions
Nov 3, 2008
Going to windows?
R
Ram
Nov 3, 2008
Never! Not with Adobe software.

I’m just most satisfied with my current setup.
SW
Scott_Weichert
Nov 3, 2008
Well I bit the bullet and purchased another 8800 card. So I will then be running identical cards again. We’ll see how that works tomorrow.

Anyone in the market for an nVidia 7300GT card cheap?
SS
Steven_Scotten
Nov 3, 2008
I’ve been seeing a number of freezes in CS4 too. Have to force-quit after waiting 30 minutes to twelve hours for response maybe a dozen times each week. I’m on the 8800GT but I haven’t tried disabling fonts yet (all I have are the ones that came from Apple and the ones that came on the CS4 distribution).

I’ve been sending my reports in to Apple, but I haven’t seen the Adobe crash reporter come up in at least a week. Is it possible I accidentally disabled it? Is there a way to reenable it? I guess really my question is: if I have disabled it by accident, how do I go about reenabling the crash reporter?
SW
Scott_Weichert
Nov 3, 2008
Steven, are you running just one 8800 or multiple cards? My issues are related to multiple graphics cards and, as Chris so kindly posted, it seems the crashes are at the OS level so the Adobe crash reporter never gets called.
GB
g_ballard
Nov 4, 2008
it seems the crashes are at the OS level so the Adobe crash reporter
never gets called.

If that’s a correct theory, is what you are saying, if the Apple crash reporter gets called it’s an Apple problem, if the Adobe crash reporter gets called up it’s an Adobe problem?
R
Ram
Nov 4, 2008
My understanding is that Apple is supposed to be forwarding Adobe related crash reports to Adobe, but they don’t always do.
SS
Steven_Scotten
Nov 4, 2008
Steven, are you running just one 8800 or multiple cards?

Nope, just one.

If that’s a correct theory, is what you are saying, if the Apple crash reporter gets called it’s an Apple problem, if the Adobe crash reporter gets called up it’s an Adobe problem?

I doubt it’s that simple, but it would probably *tend* to be true.
GB
g_ballard
Nov 4, 2008
*tend*

I am generating both Apple reports and Adobe reports, I guess that means neither will take responsibility…
HP
HEAD_Productions
Nov 4, 2008
I get Adobe and Apple crash reports too.
SW
Scott_Weichert
Nov 4, 2008
I’m only getting apple crashes as posted in this thread. I have yet to exerience an Adobe Crash report.

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