Mac Jpegs cannot open in PC environment since Leopard

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Neil_Keller
Apr 4, 2008
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Charles,

Yep, I saw that too. Just didn’t want to waste yet more time with this nonsense.

On the other hand, I’m always pleasantly surprised when a new face shows up in the forums and is like a breath of fresh air with both good contributions AND an ability to get positive discussion going.

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Ann,

The way things have been going since March 19th, I suspect that list of links is going to quickly wind up being rather long. And I suspect some folks here will make a contest out of it just to see how many mentions they can "earn". <g>

Neil

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Buko
Apr 4, 2008
Well he says he is a student with lots O free time and nothing better to do. He’s ashamed of his school so it can’t be that great. No wonder he has bad social skills.
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Ram
Apr 4, 2008
Neil,

…when a new face shows up in the forums…

Are you sure it’s not just a new moniker? 😐
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Allen Adler
Apr 4, 2008
Ken,
Thanks for this information: "Ken Vogel – 12:02pm Apr 3, 08 PST (#12 of 29)"

I’ve forwarded the info to my competent (no kidding) IT helpers and my Mac production art team. I’ll let you know how it turns out.
NK
Neil_Keller
Apr 4, 2008
Ramón,

Who knows? We’ll see as this plays out.

Neil
NK
Neil_Keller
Apr 4, 2008
Allen,

I’ve forwarded the info to my competent (no kidding) IT helpers

Yep, there are good systems administrators out there, and we treat ours royally. It’s the few rotten apples (who probably should be selling used cars) that give the profession a bad rap — especially those who are dismissive of Macintosh.

Neil
KV
Ken_Vogel
Apr 4, 2008
Neil, Allen gave no mention that his IT staff dismissed Mac.

Sorry Charles. The environment changes people here. I think this says a lot too…

Neil Keller – 12:46pm Apr 3, 08 PST (#19 of 32)

But, then, none of this is helping solve the original questions. I’d like to return this topic to it’s original intent.

I’m not ashamed of my school. There’s not many campuses here so its no secret. This is the first and last time I try to get credit for joining a professional graphics forum.

Later
JM
J_Maloney
Apr 4, 2008
Much later.
AS
Ann_Shelbourne
Apr 4, 2008
I think that Ramón un-masked his true identity?

Or he is a biological clone of someone else that we know (who changed his identity once before).
NK
Neil_Keller
Apr 4, 2008
Ken,

Neil, Allen gave no mention that his IT staff dismissed Mac.

??? Neither did I!

I’m not ashamed of my school. There’s not many campuses here so its no secret. This is the first and last time I try to get credit for joining a professional graphics forum.

??? Where did THAT come from?

Neil
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Paul_Poole
Apr 4, 2008
The problem is that saving jpgs out of Adobe photoshop are ADOBE PHOTOSHOP JPG FILES instead of the basic JPG IMAGES that PCs can read. I think it has something to do with the build of the computer or the preferences because when I export from my laptop it infos as JPG IMAGES which read fine on PCs but when we output from several MACS with identical builds it renders out as ADOBE PHOTOSHOP JPG FILES which don’t read. I’m gonna try the save to web idea from those CPUs.
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Ann_Shelbourne
Apr 4, 2008
I believe this is just a problem with the way that the Creator code is stored — they are all really just JPEGs under the skin.

People who use some of the on-line Image servers (other than Pixentral) have run into the same issue.

Using SFW, and making sure that the file names include the .jpg suffix, will probably solve the problem.
KV
Ken_Vogel
Apr 4, 2008
Paul, the problem is with the previews saved in the JPG file on Mac. The preview data is confusing Outlook users during the MIME decoding. If you choose to ‘save for web’ you bypass Photoshop’s generation of the preview. That’s good. However, if you open the folder that contains the ‘saved for web’ JPG in Finder, Finder will generate a preview as well. It is difficult to prevent preview generation so you might as well check your mail program’s settings to send Windows type MIME attachments.

I’m not sure what is going on with talk about identity. I’d love to know who some of you are. A Google search for Ann only turns up posts here and info about counterfeiting money in Photoshop.
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Buko
Apr 4, 2008
??? Where did THAT come from?

Me.
NK
Neil_Keller
Apr 4, 2008
Mystery solved. <g>

Neil
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Ann_Shelbourne
Apr 4, 2008
Deliberately distortion and character assassination as usual!

Now I am convinced:

"Ken Vogel" is none other than Jim Oblak (sometimes labelled as Dark Cloud) and the alias "deafeningechochamber" that he coined when he made himself so objectionable in these Forums previously.

Run a Forum Search on any of those names and you will see what I mean!

And as for his libellous statement concerning "counterfeiting", if you dig-out those Google entries or the Archives here, you will see that discussion was purely about a way to over-ride the Digimark restraints that had been added to Photoshop to prevent people from SCANNING bank notes.

SCANNING bank notes/dollar bills is something that it is an entirely legal activity in the USA.

Printing such scans is a very different matter — and is subject to very strict rules concerning size and methods of reproduction.

I DEMAND an apology from Vogel/Oblak for this gross, and deliberate, attempt to damage my reputation.

I also suggest to the Hosts that this individual has over-stayed his welcome in these Forums.
KV
Ken_Vogel
Apr 4, 2008
omg. Ann is nuts. I have no control over Google.
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Ann_Shelbourne
Apr 4, 2008
But you do have control over the way that you deliberately misinterpret and misconstrue material to suit your own evil purposes and to try to damage the reputation of anyone with whom you disagree.

The original article in which I, and others, were quoted was published in "Wired".

<http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2004/01/61890>

I am appending a copy of it here so that others may see just how nefarious was Vogel/Oblak’s total misrepresentation of its contents.

Currency Detector Easy to Defeat Chris Ulbrich 01.14.04 | 2:00 AM

Anti-counterfeiting provisions in the latest version of Adobe Systems’ flagship product have proven little more than a speed bump, but company representatives insist that including them was the right thing to do. Adobe acknowledged last week that its Photoshop CS digital editing package includes a "counterfeit deterrence system" designed to prevent users from accessing images of currency. When the counterfeit deterrence system detects an attempt to access a currency image, it aborts the operation, displays a warning message and directs the user to a website with information on international counterfeiting laws. Almost as soon as word of Photoshop’s new anti-counterfeiting provisions started to circulate, users began finding ways around the system. Digital artist Kiera Wooley circumvented the restrictions simply by cutting and pasting a bank-note image from another graphics utility into Photoshop. Advertising agency creative director Ann Shelbourne found she could save a bank-note image in an earlier version of Photoshop and open it without trouble in Photoshop CS.

Other Photoshop CS users said they had successfully imported bank-note images by invoking Photoshop from another Adobe product or by scanning an image in pieces and reassembling it in Photoshop. The ease with which people seemed to be eluding the anti-counterfeiting software left some wondering why Adobe had included it in the first place. With digital counterfeiting on the rise worldwide, partly due to software like Photoshop, Adobe voluntarily chose to work with international banks to help solve the problem, said Kevin Connor, Adobe’s director of product management for professional digital imaging. "As a market leader and a good corporate citizen, this just seems like the right thing to do," he said.

Connor said that Adobe was just one of a number of companies that had incorporated the same anti-counterfeiting software into their products. Users of Jasc Software’s Paint Shop Pro 8 have reported that it, too, blocks images of currency, but Jasc representatives did not return calls for comment. Over the past several years, high-quality color printers and photocopiers have made counterfeiting significantly easier and cheaper. Between 1995 and 2002, the proportion of counterfeit bills that were digitally created grew from 1 percent to 40 percent, according to the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing.

Central banks are pushing for counterfeit protections in software as well as hardware. >The anti-counterfeit software in Photoshop CS was developed by the Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group, an organization established by the governors of the G-10 central banks to promote the use of anti-counterfeit devices in the computer industry. Connor said that Adobe has been working with the central banks for several years, but that earlier generations of anti-counterfeit technology caused too many performance problems. Connor said that Adobe has been working with the central banks for several years, but that earlier generations of anti-counterfeit technology caused too many performance problems. The latest version of the software, he said, had solved those problems.

The inner workings of the counterfeit deterrence system are so secret that not even Adobe is privy to them. The Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group provides the software as a black box without revealing its precise inner workings, Connor said. "From Adobe’s standpoint, all we’re concerned about really is that it doesn’t have a performance impact on customers, that it’s stable and doesn’t cause crashes and that it’s not going to produce false positives — that it’s going to tell someone that a picture of someone’s grandmother is a $20 bill," Connor said.

Connor admitted that there were ways to work around Photoshop’s anti-counterfeit protections, and said there probably always would be. "At this point it’s probably not bulletproof protection," he said. "This is not something that is ever going to be an ironclad thing that prevents all usage. If we tried to make it ironclad, that’s where we really would start disrupting people’s work flows."

Adobe representatives acknowledged that the restrictions would inconvenience users who needed to work with images of currency and said that such users would need to contact the appropriate central bank to obtain images permissible under the laws of its country.

In that respect, Adobe is actually exceeding the requirements of U.S. law, which allows color reproductions of U.S. bank notes so long as the reproductions are smaller than 75 percent or larger than 150 percent of actual size. The reproduction must be one-sided, and all materials, including graphic files that were used to make the reproduction, must be destroyed afterward.

Obtaining digital images from the U.S. government is a considerable chore. Adobe recommends that graphic designers who want to work with U.S. currency visit the website of the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing to obtain government-approved images. But while the site does provide a scattering of images of U.S. bank notes, they are low resolution and bear prominent red "SPECIMEN" labels, which reduce their usefulness even further.

Graphics professionals who need higher-resolution images or images without the word "specimen" printed across them need to request them in writing from the director of the bureau, said a bureau public affairs specialist. The bureau usually answers requests in two weeks, she said.>

[Bold emphasis: Mine]

Unless I get a retraction and an apology for his deliberate misrepresentation of the contents of the above article, Vogel/Oblak can expect Service of a Legal Complaint.
JM
J_Maloney
Apr 4, 2008
Ann:

I’m not so sure. I thought Jim was obstinate, intelligent, but practical. If Ken’s practical, I’ll eat my hat.

But does it matter? The new guy still buys the beers, right?

(and the "omg" would be a stroke of genius if you’re right — Jim WAS an old crow — with all due respect to you Jim, if you’re out there)

J
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Ann_Shelbourne
Apr 4, 2008
I AM sure!

The syntax, attitude and sheer vindictiveness are identical.

[Of course it is always possible that Cloning has advanced somewhat further since "Dolly the Sheep".]
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Allen Adler
Apr 4, 2008
Changing the settings in Entourage fixed the problem. We are making the change to all the Macs in the office, and notifying all of our agencies and freelancers about the fix as well. Thanks for helping!!

I’m really sorry this question led to such an off track tirade. People should use a different kind of forum for venting that kind of frustration.

Best wishes to everyone.
NK
Neil_Keller
Apr 4, 2008
Allen,

Changing the settings in Entourage fixed the problem. We are making the change to all the Macs in the office, and notifying all of our agencies and freelancers about the fix as well.

That pro-active approach should keep problems to a minimum.

Neil
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Paul_Poole
Apr 4, 2008
I’m still having the same problem even when i change my outlook settings. I did notice 2 things though. The ADOBE PHOTOSHOP JPG FILE is readable on word 2007, but not the older version. I’m still not sure if this still discounts that the PCs that are having trouble reading the jpgs are all the same build. Secondly, I burnt the file to a CD and when I pulled it off it was a regular JPG file that was readable on every CPU. So confused. Is there a way to save from photoshop as a regular jpg, not a adobe photoshop jpg?
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Paul_Poole
Apr 4, 2008
Huray!
For my problem, I had to select info for the file and change "always open with" to PReview then apply to all. Now all the files are regular jpgs and open on all the CPUs!!!!
Now I can go home:)
NK
Neil_Keller
Apr 4, 2008
Paul,

Is there a way to save from photoshop as a regular jpg, not a adobe photoshop jpg?

I thought that it was just an internal file identification and not a file type.

Neil
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Paul_Poole
Apr 4, 2008
Neil,
No. It was when we were sending out style frames to our promos department. We just got bought out and had all our machines re imaged to the company’s standards. That’s when the problem began. Also when our promos department received images from our new sister networks the same problem would occur. At that point we figured it had to be something in the build, but we couldn’t figure out if it was on our MAC side or their PC side. Seems to be working with this first test. I’ll run another round of tests when everyone’s back on monday. Thanks for the responses. I think I’ll be hitting this forum more often:)
-paul
NK
Neil_Keller
Apr 5, 2008
Paul,

Please let us know what you find in your testing.

Neil
KV
Ken_Vogel
Apr 7, 2008
Paul, if the file works from CD and not by mail, it seems that you still have MIME issues. You mention changing Outlook settings but you really want to fix the MIME settings at the source… the sending mail program on the Mac. The problem is definitely with the PC side (because of the Outlook update on March 10) but the solution can be found by tweaking the Mac side.

Ann, if you want to twist your panties in rage, find something legitimate to get upset about. I never said that you were counterfeiting.

Advertising agency creative director Ann Shelbourne found she could…

If you want to argue something, argue how you are a creative director at an ad agency. There are signs on this forum that you are just some cranky old photographer that works from home. Professional photographers do not have the time to post as much as you or with as much childishness. Misrepresenting yourself as a creative director at an ad agency is greater than any bogus crime you can allege. Where is this imaginary ad agency?
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Ram
Apr 7, 2008
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Neil_Keller
Apr 7, 2008
Ken,

Knock it off already.

It’s annoying, disruptive, and just plain tiring. NO ONE wants to hear you continue whining and dragging this on and on and on and on ad nauseum.

There may be disagreements here from time to time. They end. AND THEN THEY’RE DROPPED.

Let’s move on!

Neil
NK
Neil_Keller
Apr 7, 2008
Ken,

Knock it off already.

It’s annoying, disruptive, and just plain tiring. NO ONE wants to hear you continue whining and dragging your petty bickering on and on and on and on ad nauseum.

There may be disagreements here from time to time. They end. AND THEN THEY’RE DROPPED.

Let’s move on!

Neil
NK
Neil_Keller
Apr 7, 2008
Ken,

Knock it off already.

It’s tiring, disruptive, a waste of time, non-productive, and just plain annoying. No one here wants to hear you continue whining, picking fights, and dragging your petty, non-constructive bickering on and on and on and on and on ad nauseum. NO ONE! And your links on your personal information page in this forum are nothing less than intentionally inflammatory.

Rule of thumb: if you don’t take jabs at the people here, you don’t get jabbed back.

Yes. There are disagreements from time to time here. They end. AND THEN THEY’RE DROPPED.

A piece of friendly advice: Let’s move on!

Neil
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Paul_Poole
Apr 7, 2008
Hi all,
It turns out my little "open with" setting change didn’t work across the board. When I get a chance I’ll take another stab at changing the outlook settings. Meanwhile, if anyone has any other suggestions it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again!
-paul
KV
Ken_Vogel
Apr 7, 2008
When I get a chance I’ll take another stab at changing the outlook settings.

You need to change the sending mail programs’ settings on the Mac; not Outlook’s on Windows!

Neil, you allow regulars to post off topic images when you removed the one image that I posted in the original Entourage/Outlook thread that easily demonstrated the corrective action. Why don’t you make sense?

You made several posts after Ann’s spout of craziness, which I was oblivious to because I moved on and had more fun things to do on a Friday afternoon. That is why I was not posting while you added 3 posts of your own. You could have asked for maturity from all posters back then. Why didn’t you? Are you afraid of Ann?

I asked you some time ago in this thread to keep this place polite. You are the one that is allowing this to go on, and feeding it yourself. Take control/move on.
NK
Neil_Keller
Apr 7, 2008
Ken,

You simply don’t get it. Posts to you have been reactive. You’re the one who is egging others on. I’m simply not wasting any more time trying to explain to you.

Now drop it and move on.

Neil

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