Put the Apple standard red/yellow/green navigation buttons back in the upper left of the palette menubars. Placing those PC-like Minimize and Close buttons directly over Options all in the upper right corner is bad GUI design.
Give us the option to use a "Master" set of brush settings so these choices can be used on the fly with any brush selection…overriding the preset options.
You can keep talking about it here, but if you go to the appropriate forum, there is a greater likelyhood that the Adobe developpers will see it and do something about it.
Just do a forum search on "abomination" over there. Sorry I can’t give you a link, those forums are so clumsy that I’ve been reduced to using a newsreader to access them.
t’s a feeding frenzy in that forum. I posted there and within an hour it was already 3 pages down, unanswered. At least here, there was some sort of response.
Just do a forum search on "abomination" over there. Sorry I can’t give you a link, those forums are so clumsy that I’ve been reduced to using a newsreader to access them.
Hah! I’d tried "palettes" and "minimize". Should have come up with abomination. 😉
And going over there really re-enforces my dislike for the coldfusion forums. How awful they are.
I’m with you Frank on your original post and I also agree the coldfusion forums are an abomination. I’d just as soon avoid them and continue to post over here. If people don’t want to answer, fine but I won’t be forced over to the other forum.
OK…now that we reasonably agree that the CS3 forum is nothing short of Dantean…would anybody care to comment on the way the menus are set up in the beta? Anybody care to comment on the simple idea of a "master" override for paint brushes?
Actually, this brush thing has been bugging me since PS7. So I think it qualifies for CS2 treatment.
OK…now that we reasonably agree that the CS3 forum is nothing short of Dantean…would anybody care to comment on the way the menus are set up in the beta? Anybody care to comment on the simple idea of a "master" override for paint brushes?
Actually, this brush thing has been bugging me since PS7. So I think it qualifies for CS2 treatment.
Folks- Be of good cheer re the other forums; that is, if your experience is like mine. It was unpleasant at first, but as I learned my way around, it became all right. Conversely, I find the forums here hard to use, simply because I am new to them, and don’t know my way around. Probably one reason I post mostly via usenet.
It will take getting used to, and feel like an abomination at first, but I am pretty sure once that’s past, it’ll be all right. At least I hope so.
I am not saying better than, or worse than, for either forum.
The CS3 Beta forum is Anarchy and it will only compile into something worse then it is. I don’t think the engineers completely thought this out before it was released.
There are no categories which is creating nothing short of toilet paper.
Because of the truly dreadful format, no-one reads anyone else’s post.
They just start yet another thread, on the same subject, which no-one reads or responds to before they, in turn start yet another thread on the same subject which no-one reads or responds to and so ad infinitum.
I have given-up on both the Bridge and Photoshop CS3 Beta Forums and am just going to post my comments, and any test results or bugs, in this Forum and in the Bridge (Mac) Forum.
I shall just hope that the engineers will glean anything that is useful to them from those two places.
"I shall just hope that the engineers will glean anything that is useful to them from those two places."
Exactly why I posted here in the first place.
BTW….has anyone noticed that once you install CS3b that all your CS2 files launch it? Or that all your smaller CS2 icons are overtaken by that horrible CS3 icon?
maybe chris cox can give us an outlet for any observations and suggestions that are realistic and helpful in getting a truly great product released on time.
According to Jeff Schewe they are the final Icons. >
What?!!!
What has happened to Adobe and their traditionally elegant sense of Design?
Don’t tell me that Adobe let Macromedia loose on another Design project after the god-awful mess that they have made of the Forums in which they have already meddled.
Don’t tell me that Adobe let Macromedia loose on another Design project after the god-awful mess that they have made of the Forums in which they have already meddled.
Looks like it Ann.
John, look at the top of the main photoshop forum page. just above all those look here in red type things.
Of course one can make up all sorts of reasons to justify poor decisions… The abdication of aesthetic design in favor of rather blah flash grade san serif design is lamentable!
Adobe lost it’s soul when it bought out Macromedia.
Adobe is saving money by not paying artists to design elegant icons. so they keeping the price down fro us end users. Oh wait they want $169 instead of the $149 as it should be. Does this mean some Adobe VP’s are skimming the icon design artist fee to put in his pocket?
Ahh! this crooked administration sets such a fine example for corporate America.
"Who really cares whether they are the final icons or not. I don’t"
You should. When you see small details like this going to the dogs, …it should make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. Short-changing the gateway icon to this program should be a warning of the mediocrity to follow. I’ve worked for enough merged corporations to recognize these subtle little roadsigns.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
And if I may be so bold….let me drag you back, screaming and kicking to my original post and direct you to my "bad GUI" suggestion. Notice anything about what they up did there? That’s not a Mac paradigm they’re trying to sell you. That’s an interface designed to placate the PC hordes…you know….the same bunch that are now presently making the CS3 forum resemble a bucket full of unfed piranhas.
This is what happens when a new designer comes on board and decides that their ideas are better for what ever bull shit reason they can think of. Its their job to come up with useless rationals to justify their position.
Adobe’s desktop brand system is a pragmatic & systematic approach to creating a cohesive functional visual language carried across our hundred products and their thousands of branded icons and screens. With a specific emphasis on clarity and legibility, this system expresses a singular focus of better enabling our customers and their work.>
etcetera, etcetera
Utter and unadulterated BUNK (sometimes known as "Agency-Speak") to try to bull-shit your way out of the abysmally badly conceived and designed results that you have presented.
Where did Adobe find this creature?
He should be replaced before he wrecks another thing because he is rapidly destroying the superb and functional design of software that the name "Adobe" has come to epitomise.
That quote is architypical "babble-quack," sometimes known as corporate jive. It typifies the verbal obfuscation of those who attempt to mitigate a mediocre reality with a rhetoric of reasons. You might say we live in ‘The Age of Reasons.’
Yes, I did mean Ryan. It seems that he is a product of the Macromedia stable.
Doesn’t it seem a trifle odd that Adobe should take over a less successful company and then let that less successful team loose to wreak havoc on Adobe’s superior products?
From his website it appears that he has done extensive work for Macromedia.
Anyway, I feel that the whole concept behind these terrible icons was based on the premise of finding a quick way to provide the number of icons that were required with the least amount of effort.
Already creative folks are starting to design replacement sets of icons for Adobe apps. Once they’re done, all we’ll have to do is to open up the package and replace the blah icons with creative ones in the resources folder. No problemo! Customizing is an honored tradition on Macs.
You know, I never thought anybody could make the Microsoft Office app icons look good but Adobe has succeeded!
Well, I suppose if you have the whole Creative Suite and several other Adobe programs, it would be a little more difficult to tell the icons apart. But for those of us who only have Photoshop and Acrobat, the new Photoshop and Bridge icons are most welcome.
I have to admit that looking at all those icons arranged on a color wheel was bewildering.
And Welles is right, the MS Office icons do look good by comparison.
Doesn’t it seem a trifle odd that Adobe should take over a less successful company and then let that less successful team loose to wreak havoc on Adobe’s superior products?
Not to me, eveyr time to companies "merge", one companies corporate culture takes over and it usually seems to be the crappy company’s. that’s my experience anyways.
(By "merge" I mean merger, buyout, or any other mechanism by which one corp aquires another)
As for those "icons", a periodic table looks better.
I like them. They are easy to identify and that’s all I care about. I hated the CS2 icons even though they were aesthetically pleasing. They just weren’t that functional.
I’ve read a bunch about the whole icon brouhaha, but maybe I missed an explanation for this:
If this whole new system for app icons has been calculated to visually unify the entire range of Macrodobe applications, why, then, have some remained as graphic symbols and not as the Periodic-chart-letters-on-a-colored-box style??
<Yodobe>"Either do or do not, there is no half-assed."</Yodobe>
For example an open document in CS2. The icon on the top title bar. Actually this one may have something to do with Adobe Reader 8 since these are PDF files made with CS2 and then reopend, but I’m not sure.
I’ve seen it in some dialogue boxes also. I’ll start paying more attention. I haven’t used CS3 in days since I’m doing production work.
I haven’t been following this but a master set of brushes is a good idea it would nice to be able to tell PS to save the last five or seven brushes I used so I can access it from the cursor rather than going to a dialog. It is funny when I first suggested this it was totally ignored.
Folk you don’t get what you want unless you back it in writing so when you see a god idea back it up.
Then the palettes are elegant but will take time to get used to. I can remember when I first looked at an Adobe palette and said how in heavens name am I supposed to no that those fun things at the bottom meant something. Perhaps the x for closing the palette has to be bold or colored red. But when you get use to it and in the next version when they make it bold or red you will then say it is os elegant the way it was because you instinctively know where to go why did they make if BOLD it is so distracting and so on and so on.
Oh, yes let me apologize in advance to all of you who have never had a problem understanding the interface and especially to those who have never had any problems with photoshop ever, and have a lovely Christmas Ann.
Photoshop was THE application that taught me to click on everything, every widget, every tiny icon, every arrow, every menu item, every dialog box…EVERYTHING.
And then, to do the same thing while trying out the modifier keys in various combinations.
This kind of boundless exploration is now a natural part of how I learn the ins and outs of every application.
Ramon – I just created a new file (file > new) and the window opens with the CS3 icon at the top. I did a save for the web and the correct Image Ready icon is at the top of that window. I’ll keep checking. And in some places I get the CS2 icon.
No it isn’t. Not to those of us who happen to use brushes all the time. The present brush implementation has been rendered non-intuitive since PS7. A simple "master" setting would solve the largest "paint as you go" problem.
"use what you have" "There are more important things to get implemented. " Sez you. Who died and made you the final arbiter of what is important and what isn’t in this program? I know for a fact that there are many people out there who would like to see this feature REINSTATED into the program.
If there are more important matters to be dealt with: Start another thread on the subject. No one uses this program exactly the same way as you, Mike. Seriously: get a grip.
The solution I suggest is simple and elegant. And most importantly: extremely useful for people with a talent for natural painting without having their "touch" interrupted every time they need to switch brushes.
And for those of you who love brushsets…this won’t hurt your workflow one iota. It enhances the featureset…not the other way ’round.
Frank what good are those brushes if the people who output the work can’t do their job because the engineers wasted all their time making fancy brushes.
I wish you luck in your photographic endeavors. And as with all printers you are well at least in your mind designer, art directors, photographers and now artists.
Considering all the time printers spend doing all of these other things it is no wonder no one can get a descent color match anywhere on this planet.
I dream of the old days when printers where actually printers and you could get a decent match. Now you hind behind this color profile nonsense and of course your excuse I was constructing images from scratch by painting them from NOTHING.
Nothing! You’re probably right.
I don’t truthfully know if you are good or not good printer. I have no way of knowing.
But I know from what you right here is that you do not know how photographers work and probably don’t really understand the concerns of designers as well.
You might want to consider taking a look at the way other people work and have a little sensitivity towards it.
But I assure you that Frank is more than likely going to get what he wants and you can’t do anything about it but make you usual noise.
For what is worth I say this is a very good idea and will help every one work better.
…."what good are those brushes if the people who output the work can’t do their job because the engineers wasted all their time making fancy brushes."
Is there an actual question in there? I don’t know what to make of what you are trying to say.
"Who made you the thread police?"
Taken out of context, and particularly in the manner in which you framed it, it could read that way. That wasn’t my intention. If Mike thinks he has a better way to redirect the engineering resources at Adobe, have at it. I think it is a subject that requires its own thread.
BTW, I find your "thread police" comment a funny thing to say to me, particularly after you and a few others initially tried to steer me out of this thread altogether….that is until you all figured out that the CS3 forum really does suck eggs.
And then what happened? This thread got hijacked into a discussion of icons. Did I complain then? Well, I’m not complaining now.
I am actually grateful that there is some, hell, any discussion on the two points I originally framed in the lead post. And that would be:
I’d like to see a simple work flow preference added to the Brush palette and the Palette navigation widgets conform to the Mac OSX standard, the way they do now in CS2. Navigation on the left and contextual options on the right. What’s wrong with that?
BTW, I find your "thread police" comment a funny thing to say to me, particularly after you and a few others initially tried to steer me out of this thread altogether…
Well I thought you actually wanted to talk to the people who were working on CS3 and converse with them. I may not like the forum and think it really sucks but I have still been over there trying to help and give constructive criticism as well as communicating with the Adobe engineers. If you have something worth while to say that is the place to go.
This thread got hijacked into a discussion of icons.
That’s because any discussion here is useless when it comes actually doing some good that Adobe might glean from your Ideas. This is not the beta forum. So we might as well discuss anything that comes to mind since this is a basically useless thread.
Now why would I want to do that? That was a waste of time. On the other hand, posting over here has not been a complete waste of time. I’m willing to bet at least one PS developer will see this thread before it scrolls off. It’s impact may very well resonate to the right person.
BTW, posting over there felt like what Olivia DeHavilland must’ve felt like when she woke up in "The Snake Pit". The noir imagery of that film perfectly describes the CS3 beta forum to a "T’.
Spoken like someone who really does not know colour management.
Wow! That stung!
I think you are correct Frank and I hope as well that it is noticed I don’t know what is going on on the PS CS 3 Beta forum, but it did not look appealing.
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