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10.1.8, 10.2.8 and 10.3.8 were all horrible. I am going to wait this one out for a while. For some reason the .8 update has always been a disaster for me and then they release the .9 version about a week before the next major update to fix major problems. By that stage your just desperate to buy the upgrade.
Geez, I ask a question and ten days later a giant corporation flings 148MB at me. It took forever to download because the download steadily decreased during the transfer. Started out at 177MB/sec, ended up at 88. I’m going to repair permissions before and after this one. It isn’t available on Software update yet for some reason. I don’t see anything in it that means much to me, but maybe the iTunes audio might be worthwhile.
I repaired disk, ran DiskWarrior and repaired and permissions before the update. When I repaired permissions AFTER the update, there were a gazillion things to be fixed.
I’m going to run DiskWarrior and Repair Permissions once again.
10.1.8, 10.2.8 and 10.3.8 were all horrible. I am going to wait this one out for a while. For some reason the .8 update has always been a disaster for me
Hey, folks, this is a MAJOR update. Here are some of the highlights:
[emphasis on arbitrarily selected items mine]
– sharing using AFP, SMB/CIFS, NFS and FTP file sharing protocols – reliable access to Open Directory, LDAP and Active Directory services – login and authentication in a variety of network environments – file access and byte range locking with AFP file sharing – network access when using proxy server automatic configuration files – connecting to Cisco VPN servers using IP/Sec and NAT – AirPort including connectivity to EAP-FAST networks – Bluetooth wireless connectivity – RAW camera support, including updated ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers – usability of Dashboard and widgets – searching iWork ย06 and Microsoft Office documents with Spotlight – saving Word documents automatically when using a network home directory – viewing of QuickTime streaming media behind a firewall – audio playback in QuickTime, iTunes, Final Cut Pro, and Soundtrack applications – ensuring icons are spaced correctly when viewed on desktop – determining the space required to burn folders – synchronizing contacts, bookmarks, and calendars to .Mac and mobile phones – mounting and unmounting iDisk volumes – time zone and daylight savings for 2006 and 2007 – using OpenType fonts in Microsoft Word – Address Book, AppleScript, Automator, Dictionary, Font Book, iCal, iChat, DVD Player, Keynote, Mail, Preview, Safari, and Stickies – Disk Utility, Keychain Access, Migration Assistant, and Software Update – compatibility with third party applications and devices – previous Mac OS X updates and standalone security updates
Yes, recent Mac OS upgrades do do that double start; and Apple really need to post a warning about it so that people don’t panic and reach for the power switch.
There’s an interesting new feature in the Mouse pref pane which is automatically turned on called "Zoom using scroll wheel"
Hold down the control key and use your scroll wheel. Works with trackpads which have preferences set to "Use two fingers to scroll"
In the prefpane there is also an Options button which leads you to "Smooth Images" which anit-aliases the entire screen as you scroll. If a pixel by pixel image is desired, turn it off.
If you read the Apple/Tiger Forum, all the people who have had problems seem to have used Software Update ย instead of downloading, and using, the Combo.
And what’s the betting that they didn’t follow the instructions to Repair Disks and Permissions and to disconnect peripherals before upgrading?
I used Software update, not the combo updater. Since I had 10.4.7 already on the machines, I figured the combo route was unnecessary.
Repaired permissions fore and aft (I have never read an adequate explanation about the reason for doing this, even the postings from Apple, but it’s easy enough to do, and I must admit there are things I do in "real life," just to "be on the safe side" that are probably no less superstitious). Digital voodoo. If it’s so important, the "official" Apple OS updater should be doing it as part of the update process, before and after. It makes absolutely no sense for them to publish advice about the necesity of this operation and to then leave it out of subsequent updaters.
For some reason, an iTunes update also came up. I was sure I had already updated to the most reason version. But I let that run also.
Since I had 10.4.7 already on the machines, I figured the combo route was unnecessary.
In my opinion the combo is always necessary when the combo would take a day or two to show up after the software update version I would always install it over software update version.
I have absolutely no way to test the validity of the "Combo is better" assertion. However, while I think it’s also voodoo, over a problem-less 10.4.7 install, I will not argue the point, as I agree that it’s easy enough to do to achieve whatever benefits lurk there, and will shortly apply that over my, otherwise-new, 10.4.8 updates. I’ll also turn around 3 times, sprinkle salt over my shoulder and cant, "Olly, olly, oxen free."
But the not-so-rhetorical question remains, as with the need to repair permissions, what in the world is Apple doing, making available multiple methods of updating, some of which result in corrupt installs?
what in the world is Apple doing, making available multiple methods
of updating, some of which result in corrupt installs? >
Basically there is usually quite a difference in size between the two versions.
The Software Update is a pared-down version which means shorter download-times for those who are stuck with a dial-up connection. SU also provides an easy and automatic installation method for the less savvy User.
The reasons for repairing Permissions and for applying updates manually have been explained often enough.It’s each user’s prerogative to use whatever method they prefer.
While true enough, there seems to be a huge oversight in Apple’s programming to continue NOT including this procedure in the actual install. They have "checking disk" and "optimizing files" and a number of other things including the new "double restart" with installs now … why not toss in the scripts to run a permission repair before and after too?
there seems to be a huge oversight in Apple’s programming to continue NOT including this procedure in the actual install
why not toss in the scripts to run a permission repair before and after too?
Perhaps because importance of performing this procedure is not what some would have you believe. <G>
I used to perform "rain dance" before and after but once fell on my ass (can’t dance)ย before no wait maybe it was afterย anyway it didn’t affect my update one way or another. ๐
Believe voodoo if you wantย or don’tย
I never performed "repair permissions" before/after installing anything and things are running just fineย call me lucky if you want. <G>
What happened was that I received a free copy of Tiger.
Alas, I took one look at Lightroom and ran in the opposite direction. ๐ Not for me.
In the short time that I have been running Tiger, I have experienced several kernel panics, which I had never seen since the days of Cheetah, Puma and Jaguar on my Frankenmac with mismatched RAM. The most serious, persistent ones on the "new" machine I was ultimately able to trace back to two old Iomega devices in the SCSI chain, but even those run flawlessly under Panther.
I have installed Panther on a spare volume of the fourth internal hard drive. I’m still very unsure about Tiger. Lots of SBOD occurrences, most last only a second or so, others up to 15 seconds. Maybe because I have re-enabled Spotblight, which I’m planning to disable again this morning. Time will tell.
Installed 10.4.8 Combo over 10.4.8 delta on G5s, G4, G4 iBook. All double-started on reboot vs single start after the delta update. All restarted pretty fast except the IBook which took much longer than the restart after the delta update.
Otherwise nothing of note except everything seems to be working.
I thought everything was grand, just grand. But I went to a page I use for work, in Safari, and lo! tabbed browsing doesn’t work. It was erratic before, but now it doesn’t do anything except create a new tab and remove the old one when you cmd click on a bookmark bar item.
Or maybe I never understood tabbed browsing in the first place.
I think so, too but I don’t know where they are. I’ll figure it out. I probably will use Firefox. Safari’s tabbed browsing was unreliable when it did work.
Your Preferences can be found in: User/you/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Safari.plist
Other people have solved browser problems by temporarily removing all contents from: <boot volume>/Library/Internet Plug-ins/ and then adding them back again, a few at a time, so as to isolate any bad ones.
Something else to try would be to run the latest Apple COMBO updater over your existing System installation.
That said, I have not had any problems with Safari 2.0.4 at all ย and the tabbing works perfectly too.
I’m running 2.0.4. I never tried tabbing until 10.4.6, in any of my browsers. Safari exhibited erratic behavior, tabs would arbitrarily disappear and the various cmd-x-click things didn’t seem to do what they were suppposed to. After 10.4.8, I tried tabbing when I was in an Outlook mailbox web site from which tabbing had previously sort of worked. None of the tabbing commands did anything except what you would expect when clicking in the usual way on a bookmark. I sent a bug report. Today when I tabbed from other sites it was back to abnormal. Tabs appeared by cmd click but would sometimes disappear when a new tab came up. This is too erratic for work use. I think I’ll use Firefox for the work thing.
Thanks , Ann, but I knew all that except for the Google thing. My p[roblem is that tabbing just doesn’t work that way for me. Tabs come and go seemingly at will.
I haven’t heard of anyone else having a problem with Safari’s tabs so I can only imagine that you must either have a bad installation of Safari, a damaged Prefs. file or have added incompatible plug-ins?
Trashed prefs, did the fsck, no change. The tabs don’t stick when you open another one, the previous one disappears, although the one before that stays.
This has nothing to do with anything Mac vs. Windows.
And I hate to be the kid who blurts out "the emperor has no clothes!", but Lovable Lundy has a history of having problems that no one else seems to have.
It’s usually been discovered that these problems are a result of PEBKAC, and generally, he acknowledges them as such once he gets things sorted.
I’m sure I’m not the only one who has noticed that you have some weird ass problems that nobody else has had, and that you often seem to have a tough time following detailed troubleshooting directions. Things seem to happen ()or not work) for you when they seem to function easily for many others. Again, that’s just the pattern I’ve seen, having observed years worth of your postings.
How often have you seen me post questions about stuff I just can’t get sussed out? Rarely…the most recent have been me just ranting about how much of an idiot I am about getting my Airport network setting fixed after I futzed with them. But, I finally got them figured out, on my own, by studying resources elsewhere. If I had a serious problem with Photoshop, I’d certainly ask here, because I know that there are people here who could help.
Otherwise, my Mac experiences for MANY years has been virtually trouble free, and when I did have problems, I have been able to get them solved relatively easily. That’s just plain fact.
If I had instead said:"You’re a complete idiot, Lundy, and you ought to just quit messing with computers because you’ll never be as slick with running one as me!"
….well, that would be arrogant, and rude.
I was neither of those things.
You just had to ramp things up, by taking my observation personally (when I had anticipated that in my first reply) and then by trying to tell me to shut up?
Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t about a Mac/Windows superiority things at all, I’ve been over that for several years, it struck me that if you subbed MS for Apple, Vista for Leopard & service pack for service pack it gets to be a Windows thread.
"It’s usually been discovered that these problems are a result of PEBKAC"… same on the other side.
"Must have been … one hell of a dayย " Yep it was that, I went to the doctor for adominal pains and what they found was that I had an abdominal aortic aneurysm that is 6Cm (yep, 2.5") long compounded by the fact that I also had a perforated appendix that was leaking crap in my abdomin. They fixed the appendix but can’t operate on the aneurysm until the infection clears. Can’t do anything but sit on my butt so I’ve been idylly cruising the web when the oxycodone haze lifts enough that I can sit up straight.
I’ve never gone to any Apple Forums because I never needed to until I discovered that tabbed browsing doesn’t work correctly and none of the normal troubleshooting will fix it. I have had 99.5 % problem free Mac experience over many years. PCs are trouble on a stick but you don’t see me in the Windows side. You’re getting a little too smart for the room, Phosphor. Please knock off the personal stuff, it doesn’t add value. I don’t dislike you, I actually think you bring something to the forum, but you are making unwarranted assumptions about me, my ability, and my track record.
Didn’t mean to stir up anything, I have to get my laughs where I can for the next coupla’ weeks before I go back to hospital for the second op. I was really suprised how common these aneurysms are, they only operate after 5cm!
Anyways, I have to s-p-r-e-a-d the pills out. Thanks for the kind thoughts! I shall scurry back under my rock!
For anyone on an Intel Mac 10.4.8 has fixed one MAJOR problem I was having. Applications running through Rosetta were terribly limited for me. I could launch Photoshop and Illustrator but then Indesign would not launch. Or I’d launch Photoshop and Illustrator would refuse to launch. I had to restart to correct the issue. Then eventually I’d hit the same limit somewhere which would prevent a Rosetta app from launching. 10.4.8 seems to have corrected this allowing me to launch as many Rosetta-based apps as needed without the failures I was having before.
10.4.8 on the PPC G5 seems to be solid as well, but I wasn’t having a great many issues with 10.4.7 on the PPC.
Now I know why I dropped by this thread, it was that smarmy Mac guy from the "I’m a Mac/I’m a PC" commercials that made me do it, o-o-o-o-o I just want to throttle that little _ _ _ _ _ _ !
Thank you for the kind thoughts, they are appreciated! Feeling much better now, well at least until I getted hacked into again later this month.
BTW, tabbed browsing works just fine in a new user acct. Unfortunately i can’t reinstall Safari from my 10.4 disk because my SuperDrive won’t recognize Cds all of a sudden. My Mac guy has a cleaner disk he’s going to run tomorrow when he Firewires an app into my box. I don’t think a reinstall would do anything anyway.
When Apple went with "PC based hardware", they should have started with SATA drive connectors or at least gone with the IDE 133 connectors for better performance. Hmmmmm! Never understood that oversight. Makes a big difference, the HDs are the bottleneck to performance on any system.
I trashed the prefs and it didn’t help. What did work was to take the Safari out of my User Library to the desktop, reload Safari which recreated it. That version worked fine. Tabs worked for a while and then quit again after I put the old one back. I’ll empty the cache and see if that helps. I can drag the History, Bookmarks etc one at a time to find thecorrupt file I guess.
Emptying the cache restored most of the functionality. It still doesn’t work quite right. If I cmd click on an item in the Bookmarks displayed bar, it will sit in the tabs and stay. If I cmd click on an item in the Bookmarks Bar list(not displayed) it will replace the last tab.
I hope I mentioned that Ann’s suggestion to empty cache allowed the tabs function to put more than one tab in the bar, but only five are visible and the newest one replaces the last one. >
How big is your monitor? And at what resolution are you running it?
On my 22" (1600 x 1200 px), I can have 19 tabs "in sight" at one time with any additional ones visible from the "overflow" arrows in the Tabs Bar.
17", 1280×1024. I thought the tabs were supposed to squoze down and fit in but they don’t. Thanks for the tip on holding down cmd. How the hell are people supposed to know such things? This thing where the latest one replaces the last one is ridiculous.
Loaded 10.4.8 from updater, simply because I do not know any better. I ran Disk Utility before and after the install and also Cocktail.
Since then my 2.7 dual G5 Power Mac hangs on start up. Grey screen with the apple and the circle just keeps spinning and spinning; ten minutes if I let it. After I turn it off via the power button it reboots fine.
Disk looks SMART. Should I do the combo from the Apple site ?
Yes. The Combo will very probably fix any problems.
But do run Disk Repair (from your CD); and Repair Permissions ย both before AND after running the Combo.
And do disconnect UBS and Firewire peripherals as well.
Grey screen with the apple and the circle just keeps spinning and spinning; ten minutes if I let it. After I turn it off via the power button it reboots fine. >>
The Combo will automatically do TWO consecutive restarts after you install it (which will take some time) and should NOT be interrupted.
How about that? They squoze. Thanks, Ann. Safari Help is not the least bit helpful. The prize for least helpful Help goes to Thunderbird, though. 1.5.08 has some weird bug on Windows that corrupts your password file so that it tries to retrieve or send six times with an error message and then proceeds. If you recreate your acct, it for works ok for a couple weeks and starts again. The Tbird forum has no answer.
