Element vs Album

FG
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florida_guy
Oct 8, 2003
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Hi

I’m new to all this image editing stuff. I’m seriously considering buying Album 2.0 and I trying to decide if I should buy the Element/Album package.

For you guys that started with elements and then bought album are image editing features that you like better in Album then Element.

I know Element doesn’t do any of the cataloging stuff the Album does but what about things like cropping, resizing, and "quick fix" stuff?

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Byron_Gale
Oct 8, 2003
FG,

I run PSE2 and PSA1… I don’t do ANY editing via PSA.

I use PSA for it’s ability to catalog/tag images. I also use some of the Creations which PSA does.

My work flow is to find images with PSA, tag them for the specific purpose, and export them to a folder. Then, I edit them with PSE, as required. If I wish to keep my edited versions, they are archived and imported into PSA for future reference.

PSA has some useful features. I like it’s red-eye tool, for instance. However, I don’t like the way it approaches file management — effectively isolating the user from version-tracking.

FWIW.

Byron
FG
florida_guy
Oct 8, 2003

O.K. I know what you mean by version tracking. How does PSE implement it? And does it preserve the "digital negative" the way PSA does or do you edit the original file?
BH
Beth_Haney
Oct 8, 2003
florida_guy – neither PSA nor Elements actually store any image files. Those remain on folders on your hard drive, and it’s up to you whether you archive all originals and work on copies or not. Personally, I archive all my original shots and always work on a folder made up of copies that have been converted to a non-lossy format.

I just thought it was important to clarify this right off the bat. Some poor man a couple of weeks ago had misunderstood that and deleted his image folders after he thought he’d moved them into PSA. NOT!!

Since I don’t use PSA, I won’t address Byron’s comment about version tracking. I think I know the answer, but this isn’t a good time to start guessing. The important thing is for you to know that neither of these applications will STORE anything.
FG
florida_guy
Oct 8, 2003
Beth

Thanks for making that clear although I actually was aware of that if I wasn’t it would be very important to understand that.

To cut to the chase here is a complicated scenario of what I’d like to do. Let’s say I take a high quality picture of a scene containing a my mom standing between a pretty tree and some pretty flowers….

I’d like to be able to always leave the original in tact as "a digital negative" but I’d like to be able to crop out the tree as one picture and resize it, crop out my mom as another and resize it, and crop out the flowers as another picture and resize it.

When I’m done I’d like to have four images… the original and the three crops.

Further, I’d like to be able to make the crops that exact size necessary to fit a 640×480 or 1024×768 picture etc. In other words when I’m cropping the picture at my option would or would not let me make the crop those proportions.

Am I asking for too much? Do I have to do some of this manually by trial and error?
PD
Pete_D
Oct 8, 2003
It really sounds like you are looking for a photo editing program and that is definitely Photoshop Elements!

There is a bit of learning but you will find it am amazing program full of editing features that will make a simple job of what you describe.

pete
BG
Byron_Gale
Oct 8, 2003
FG,

In your scenario of your mom and the plants…

In PSA, once you did your first crop, you would no longer have the original image in your photo well, so you would be unable to continue with your subsequent manipulations. Your original would still be on your HD, along with the edited version, but PSA will only provide access to the edited. (You can revert to the original, but then PSA will destroy your edited copy!)

In PSE, you should make a copy of the original, so that your "negative" is preserved. Then, on the copy, do your first set of cropping. SAVE AS with a new name. Re-open your working copy, proceed with second cropping. SAVE AS with a new name. Rinse. Repeat. 100% manual file management (version tracking).

HTH,

Byron
BH
Beth_Haney
Oct 8, 2003
Pete’s right – what you describe is definitely a job for Elements. Be careful about buying a package, though. PSA 2 just came out a day or so ago. You’d want to make sure that’s what you were getting and not an obsolete version. Elements 2.0 can usually be found for $50 or less, after rebate, if you have a program that qualifies for the $30 back from Adobe. Another version of Elements will be coming out in the not too distant future, too, I bet.

By the way, the sizes you put in your post were resolutions for monitors, so you wouldn’t be cropping to those dimensions anyway. You’d want one size for any prints you were doing and another size for anything you wanted to display on the screen. Elements will do both very gracefully, but, as Pete says, there’s a definite learning curve – which is why this cool forum exists! 🙂

So what part of Florida are you from?
FG
florida_guy
Oct 8, 2003
Re-open your working copy, proceed with second cropping. SAVE AS with a new name. Rinse. Repeat. 100% manual file management (version tracking).

Thanks for the clarification. 🙂
FG
florida_guy
Oct 8, 2003
In your scenario of your mom and the plants…

O.K. I’ve cut the tree out of the picture and saved it as a separate image. I am trying to enlarge that image so it could be used as a full screen wall paper for a 640×480 screen and a 1024×768 screen.

I select the image, go to the menu image | resize | image size width and nothing happens.

The other problem is that I don’t have the proportions exactly right. If I select width 640 it makes height 478. If I select height 480 I get width 648.

I only got that close by pure luck. How do I tell that dotted line thingy to keep the proporations to 640 x 480?

EDITED: I can’t delete this but I’m going to start a new thread called newbie questions because I have another and I’m sure I’ll have a few more.
NS
Nancy_S
Oct 8, 2003
Florida guy,

A little cropping is necessary to get a certain aspect ratio. Choose the height at 480, let the other fill in. Choose the rectangular marquee, top left of tool box. Choose the left most box of the four little boxes directly above. On options menu above image, where is says Normal, scroll to Fixed Size. Type in the 480 and 640 appropriately, click anywhere on image and selection lines appear. These denote the exact size you desired. Drag box with cursor or using keyboard arrows to position where desire. Image>Crop.

BTW…Not being familiar with wallpaper, but I thought there was a Stretch to Fit option.
BH
Beth_Haney
Oct 8, 2003
I’m getting confused. Goodbye. 🙂
FG
florida_guy
Oct 8, 2003
I’m getting confused. Goodbye.

Beth

I now understand why and I have clarified it (I hope in the thread "cropping and resizing".

By the way, to answer your other question, I’m from the Tampa Bay area of Florida.
BH
Beth_Haney
Oct 8, 2003
Tampa Bay, huh? The forum moderator lives somewhere around there (although we haven’t seen him for a while) and there are a couple of other regulars in Florida. Thank you! Just checking! 🙂
JH
Joe_Henry1000
Oct 8, 2003
Hey all,

Did you see that Adobe is giving away a striped down version of Album <http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopalbum/starter.html>? I love free. Too bad it’s Windows only.

Joe
PD
Pete_D
Oct 9, 2003
Thanks for the heads up on this Joe 🙂

Pete
JH
Joe_Henry1000
Oct 9, 2003
You’re welcome Pete. 🙂 BTW, Adobe also released Album 2.0. $50 SRP.

Joe
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Ray
Oct 9, 2003
24.99$ for registered user of PSA1.
Just got it yesterday.

And, by the way, that made me call Adobe Customer Service (the download was corrupted). Very polite
🙂

Ray
P.S. PSA2 can now read some RAW format images… Too cool !!!
PD
Pete_D
Oct 9, 2003
The free to download Album has a very easy and simple way to create a pdf slideshow. Really cool.

If you do this make sure your pictures are organized alphebetically as you want to see them. (I had about 70 shots of a neighbors plants and trees that I used for pdf; But the slide show has him cutting and us eating a large pineapple, then 15 pictures later he is picking it from the plant).

But perhaps someone knows how to "move" picture order around in the pdf file? Or from within Album?

Pete
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Luis_Puncel
Oct 13, 2003
Pete,

The way you change the order of photos in your slideshow is as follows (from within PSA2).

1) Select the photos you want to go into the slideshow in the photo well. (The order doesn’t matter at this point.)
2) Click on "create".
3) On the left side of the dialogue box that opens up you will see all the photos you selected, numbered in the order they will appear.
4) Just drag and drop them to the desired order. You can also delete photos or add new ones from within this dialogue box.
5) When they are in the order you like them, click on "create slideshow" to continue building the slideshow.
PD
Pete_D
Oct 13, 2003
Luis,

Thanks for the instructions. That enables me to do just what I needed to do. (Seems like I am rushing everything lately and don’t take time to read and understand:)

I am glad Adobe has this trial version because PSA looks like a real nice program.

Pete
TF
Terri_Foster
Nov 3, 2003
I would definitely get both. PSA is pretty basic as far as image editing but excellent for cataloging photos. The real plus is when you open your photo in album and select edit with elements it locks your original and sends a copy to elements… so you don’t have to worry about accidentally altering an original.
BK
Barb_K
Nov 3, 2003
If you use PSA to import RAW images, can those be sent to PSE for editing as well?
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Ray
Nov 3, 2003
Barb,

No you can’t edit a RAW file with Photoshop Elements from PSA.

Ray

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