Johan W. Elzenga wrote:
Jurgen wrote:
Oddly enough Mike,
I and all my clients are quite happy with my images the way I deliver them.
You and your clients may be happy with what you get right now, but that is no proof that working with curves would not allow you to deliver even better images than you do right now. There is always room to improve, but you have to be open minded enough to want to learn new things.
I don’t actually see anything I do with levels "deficient" in any way. As a photographer, I get everything I need in Photoshop with droplets I’ve made using levels.
Levels is by no means ‘deficient’, but there simply are things you cannot possibly do with levels. I find it hard to imagine that you would never need to increase midtone contrast, just to name one thing that levels can’t do. Or ‘open up’ shadows without changing the brightness of the overall image. But perhaps you only work in a studio with controlled lighting and never ever shoot outdoors?
Should I now attempt to argue you into converting a workflow to my methods or just recognize you have a different opinion than I do?
Or maybe you should recognise that Mike knows a lot more about Photoshop than you do? And consequently that Mike could probably improve your images beyond the point where you can no longer improve them?
Don’t for a single minute think, without knowing a thing about me or my work as a photographer and software developer that you can talk down to me like this. Arrogance in the extreme. Worse, you’re doing it without knowing who you are talking down to.
Unlike Mike, I choose to show some ethical restraint in promoting my software and don’t attempt to promote it under the veil of advise to people on Usenet.
Do you use this method of brow beating when you can’t force people who are long time Photoshop users and qualified, professional photographers into accepting you are right? You are a very Stupid person if you think you can.
We are all three right, just in our own range of defined activities.
Using Mike Russell’s stand in promoting curves when his business relies on him selling a PS plugin to manipulate them is reason enough to take anything he says here with a grain of salt. He has a financial interest in the use of curves to the exclusion of every other method of achieving the same end result.
What on earth made you think Mike Russell could teach me anything? In reality I could teach him a thing or two about ethical behaviour and "full disclosure" when giving out advise tainted with his motive to make money being a driving force in anything he says.
You know not a single thing about me, my career or my knowledge yet you set yourself up to judge I am a less knowledgeable person than someone who has defied the charter of this group for as long as I can remember to advertise his buggy and poorly thought out commercial software to do what? ALTER CURVES.
Why would he not seek to forcefully promote his opinion on curves? I make allowances for that in reading his posts.
What I don’t understand is what you expect to gain from talking down to me. Your work is no better and often not as good as mine. You don’t seem to know any more about PS than me or anyone other long time professional user.
Is it that I look like threatening your status in the group by sharing my differing opinion – that you need to belittle me to get your position on the subject cemented? You’re an ass if you think that.
