Graphics card help

Joel

May 16, 2008

"Paul Burdett" wrote:

Hi,

I’m running Photoshop CS3 Extended (a legal paid for version) and was considering buying the FocalPoint plugin from OnOne software. I note that the software requires an Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater). I tried the demo version but got the error message that it wouldn’t work with my graphics card. Updating the driver didn’t work. My computer (desktop) has an ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!) In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.
I’m looking for advice as to a suitable graphics card for the PC (I can do without the software on my laptop if necessary…not sure if it’s possible anyway to upgrade a graphics card on a laptop). FocalPoint requirements state 125Mb minimum, 256MB preferred.

Many thanks in advance,

Paul

I have never heard any program requires some specific graphic card to run, or most may require OS, amount of memory, disk space etc.. but not Open GL Graphic Card which I never have and not plain to buy it.

And if it requires that specific card then I would suggest to forget whatever that plug-in is, cuz I don’t think it’s worth the trouble. Cuz I don’t think many Photoshop and even Windows users use any specific graphic card, and if they don’t have enough customer then their product won’t be worth to pay for (and I may not even use if it’s free).

Paul Burdett

May 17, 2008

"Joel" wrote in message

"Paul Burdett" wrote:

Hi,

I’m running Photoshop CS3 Extended (a legal paid for version) and was considering buying the FocalPoint plugin from OnOne software. I note that the software requires an Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater). I tried the
demo version but got the error message that it wouldn’t work with my graphics card. Updating the driver didn’t work. My computer (desktop) has an
ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion
slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI
or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!) In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old
Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.
I’m looking for advice as to a suitable graphics card for the PC (I can do
without the software on my laptop if necessary…not sure if it’s possible
anyway to upgrade a graphics card on a laptop). FocalPoint requirements state 125Mb minimum, 256MB preferred.

Many thanks in advance,

Paul

I have never heard any program requires some specific graphic card to run, or most may require OS, amount of memory, disk space etc.. but not Open GL Graphic Card which I never have and not plain to buy it.
And if it requires that specific card then I would suggest to forget whatever that plug-in is, cuz I don’t think it’s worth the trouble. Cuz I don’t think many Photoshop and even Windows users use any specific graphic card, and if they don’t have enough customer then their product won’t be worth to pay for (and I may not even use if it’s free).

Hi,

I agree.

Voivod

May 17, 2008

On Fri, 16 May 2008 13:41:54 -0500, Joel scribbled:

"Paul Burdett" wrote:

Hi,

I’m running Photoshop CS3 Extended (a legal paid for version) and was considering buying the FocalPoint plugin from OnOne software. I note that the software requires an Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater). I tried the demo version but got the error message that it wouldn’t work with my graphics card. Updating the driver didn’t work. My computer (desktop) has an ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!) In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.
I’m looking for advice as to a suitable graphics card for the PC (I can do without the software on my laptop if necessary…not sure if it’s possible anyway to upgrade a graphics card on a laptop). FocalPoint requirements state 125Mb minimum, 256MB preferred.

Many thanks in advance,

Paul

I have never heard any program requires some specific graphic card to run, or most may require OS, amount of memory, disk space etc.. but not Open GL Graphic Card which I never have and not plain to buy it.

If you have NO idea what you’re talking about you really shouldn’t offer advice. Open GL is not a specific type of graphics card:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_GL

"At its most basic level OpenGL is a specification, meaning it is simply a document that describes a set of functions and the precise behaviours that they must perform."

A minimum of research and you won’t look like an idiot.

And if it requires that specific card then I would suggest to forget whatever that plug-in is, cuz I don’t think it’s worth the trouble. Cuz I don’t think many Photoshop and even Windows users use any specific graphic card, and if they don’t have enough customer then their product won’t be worth to pay for (and I may not even use if it’s free).

Seriously, shut the fuck up.

KatWoman

May 17, 2008

"Paul Burdett" wrote in message

Hi,

I’m running Photoshop CS3 Extended (a legal paid for version) and was considering buying the FocalPoint plugin from OnOne software. I note that the software requires an Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater). I tried the demo version but got the error message that it wouldn’t work with my graphics card. Updating the driver didn’t work. My computer (desktop) has an ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!)
In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.

I’m looking for advice as to a suitable graphics card for the PC (I can do without the software on my laptop if necessary…not sure if it’s possible anyway to upgrade a graphics card on a laptop). FocalPoint requirements state 125Mb minimum, 256MB preferred.

Many thanks in advance,

Paul

Joel you give people the worst answers and answer stuff he never asked why post?

I don’t know what focalpoint software is or does

BUT< Many 3D software do indeed run much better with a good vid card Photoshop is mostly a 2d program, more chip and ram dependent, but 3d apps need on board video ram

since hi end gamers and 3 model makers, need vid card with good 3 d rendering
and they’re up to 512 being small with newest 1 gb cards you should have no trouble finding a good 256 vid card for low $$ most manufacturers use one of two brands of chips
NVIDIA or RADEON
so get whatever will fits the slots you have (PCI?)

it is easy to install yourself if you understand how to use the CMOS b/c you have to disable the on-board vid card

Joel

May 18, 2008

"KatWoman" wrote:

"Paul Burdett" wrote in message

Hi,

I’m running Photoshop CS3 Extended (a legal paid for version) and was considering buying the FocalPoint plugin from OnOne software. I note that the software requires an Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater). I tried the demo version but got the error message that it wouldn’t work with my graphics card. Updating the driver didn’t work. My computer (desktop) has an ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!)
In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.

I’m looking for advice as to a suitable graphics card for the PC (I can do without the software on my laptop if necessary…not sure if it’s possible anyway to upgrade a graphics card on a laptop). FocalPoint requirements state 125Mb minimum, 256MB preferred.

Many thanks in advance,

Paul

Joel you give people the worst answers and answer stuff he never asked why post?

I don’t know what focalpoint software is or does

BUT< Many 3D software do indeed run much better with a good vid card Photoshop is mostly a 2d program, more chip and ram dependent, but 3d apps need on board video ram

since hi end gamers and 3 model makers, need vid card with good 3 d rendering
and they’re up to 512 being small with newest 1 gb cards you should have no trouble finding a good 256 vid card for low $$ most manufacturers use one of two brands of chips
NVIDIA or RADEON
so get whatever will fits the slots you have (PCI?)

The OP mentioned the plug-in *requires* the specific "Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater)"

it is easy to install yourself if you understand how to use the CMOS b/c you have to disable the on-board vid card

Voivod

May 18, 2008

On Sun, 18 May 2008 07:30:34 -0500, Joel scribbled:

"KatWoman" wrote:

"Paul Burdett" wrote in message

Hi,

I’m running Photoshop CS3 Extended (a legal paid for version) and was considering buying the FocalPoint plugin from OnOne software. I note that the software requires an Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater). I tried the demo version but got the error message that it wouldn’t work with my graphics card. Updating the driver didn’t work. My computer (desktop) has an ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!)
In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.

I’m looking for advice as to a suitable graphics card for the PC (I can do without the software on my laptop if necessary…not sure if it’s possible anyway to upgrade a graphics card on a laptop). FocalPoint requirements state 125Mb minimum, 256MB preferred.

Many thanks in advance,

Paul

Joel you give people the worst answers and answer stuff he never asked why post?

I don’t know what focalpoint software is or does

BUT< Many 3D software do indeed run much better with a good vid card Photoshop is mostly a 2d program, more chip and ram dependent, but 3d apps need on board video ram

since hi end gamers and 3 model makers, need vid card with good 3 d rendering
and they’re up to 512 being small with newest 1 gb cards you should have no trouble finding a good 256 vid card for low $$ most manufacturers use one of two brands of chips
NVIDIA or RADEON
so get whatever will fits the slots you have (PCI?)

The OP mentioned the plug-in *requires* the specific "Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater)"

Will you seriously stop trying to give advice on things you known NOTHING about… you’re truly an idiot.

news

May 20, 2008

Joel wrote:

"KatWoman" wrote:

"Paul Burdett" wrote in message

Hi,

I’m running Photoshop CS3 Extended (a legal paid for version) and was considering buying the FocalPoint plugin from OnOne software. I note that the software requires an Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater). I tried the demo version but got the error message that it wouldn’t work with my graphics card. Updating the driver didn’t work. My computer (desktop) has an ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!)
In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.

I’m looking for advice as to a suitable graphics card for the PC (I can do without the software on my laptop if necessary…not sure if it’s possible anyway to upgrade a graphics card on a laptop). FocalPoint requirements state 125Mb minimum, 256MB preferred.

Many thanks in advance,

Paul
Joel you give people the worst answers and answer stuff he never asked why post?

I don’t know what focalpoint software is or does

BUT< Many 3D software do indeed run much better with a good vid card Photoshop is mostly a 2d program, more chip and ram dependent, but 3d apps need on board video ram

since hi end gamers and 3 model makers, need vid card with good 3 d rendering
and they’re up to 512 being small with newest 1 gb cards you should have no trouble finding a good 256 vid card for low $$ most manufacturers use one of two brands of chips
NVIDIA or RADEON
so get whatever will fits the slots you have (PCI?)

The OP mentioned the plug-in *requires* the specific "Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater)"

http://www.opengl.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL

If you don’t understand what OpenGL is don’t post in threads that require that knowledge!

Joel

May 22, 2008

news wrote:

<snip>

If you don’t understand what OpenGL is don’t post in threads that require that knowledge!

Well, we can always use some knowledge here, so pour your brain out so we can have a peek of it, would you? <bg>

erpy

May 22, 2008

Paul Burdett ha scritto:

Hi,

I’m running Photoshop CS3 Extended (a legal paid for version) and was considering buying the FocalPoint plugin from OnOne software. I note that the software requires an Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater). I tried the demo version but got the error message that it wouldn’t work with my graphics card. Updating the driver didn’t work. My computer (desktop) has an ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!) In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.

Unfortunately it looks like your motherboard does not even provide an AGP slot – not to mention that any graphic card today is PCI-Express (which is not the same as "PCI").
So, forget about getting a graphic card of any kind for that motherboard.

Get a new PC….it’s about time. :))

Voivod

May 22, 2008

On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:29:35 +0200, erpy
scribbled:

Paul Burdett ha scritto:

Hi,

I’m running Photoshop CS3 Extended (a legal paid for version) and was considering buying the FocalPoint plugin from OnOne software. I note that the software requires an Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater). I tried the demo version but got the error message that it wouldn’t work with my graphics card. Updating the driver didn’t work. My computer (desktop) has an ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!) In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.

Unfortunately it looks like your motherboard does not even provide an AGP slot – not to mention that any graphic card today is PCI-Express (which is not the same as "PCI").
So, forget about getting a graphic card of any kind for that motherboard.

Yeah! Because there’s NO where in the world where you can get an older PCI graphics card. NOWHERE! Not anywhere….

Psst… TigerDirect lists THIRTY TWO legacy PCI cards.

Get a new PC….it’s about time. :))

Exactly! Why spend a few bucks on an add on card when you could spend hundreds or even thousands on a new PC!

BRILLIANT advice!

Paul Burdett

May 22, 2008

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:29:35 +0200, erpy
scribbled:

Paul Burdett ha scritto:

Hi,

I’m running Photoshop CS3 Extended (a legal paid for version) and was considering buying the FocalPoint plugin from OnOne software. I note that
the software requires an Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater). I tried the
demo version but got the error message that it wouldn’t work with my graphics card. Updating the driver didn’t work. My computer (desktop) has an
ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion
slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI
or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!) In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old
Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.

Unfortunately it looks like your motherboard does not even provide an AGP slot – not to mention that any graphic card today is PCI-Express (which is not the same as "PCI").
So, forget about getting a graphic card of any kind for that motherboard.

Yeah! Because there’s NO where in the world where you can get an older PCI graphics card. NOWHERE! Not anywhere….

Psst… TigerDirect lists THIRTY TWO legacy PCI cards.

Get a new PC….it’s about time. :))

Exactly! Why spend a few bucks on an add on card when you could spend hundreds or even thousands on a new PC!

BRILLIANT advice!

LOL: I agree. My PC is 3GHZ Pentium 4 and is fast enough for CS3 as well as the various plugins I have (as well as Cubase..I’m a music teacher/guitarist by trade). I guess I don’t really need the Focalpoint plugin..I could replicate the effects in Photoshop although it may take more time. However, it does seem that newer software is coming out all the time (with more hardware requirements) and maybe one day I will get a new computer. Foir now though I agree that it wouldn’t be too difficult to get another PCI card as long as it had OpenGL.

Cheers,

Paul

erpy

May 22, 2008

Voivod ha scritto:

On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:29:35 +0200, erpy
scribbled:

Paul Burdett ha scritto:

My computer (desktop) has an
ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!) In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.
Unfortunately it looks like your motherboard does not even provide an AGP slot – not to mention that any graphic card today is PCI-Express (which is not the same as "PCI").
So, forget about getting a graphic card of any kind for that motherboard.

Yeah! Because there’s NO where in the world where you can get an older PCI graphics card. NOWHERE! Not anywhere….

Psst… TigerDirect lists THIRTY TWO legacy PCI cards.

Yeah right, with OpenGL 1.5 in their drivers…. and 256 Mb VRam…. :))) Your "legacy PCI cards" would not run the plugin…. full stop.

—

Voivod

May 22, 2008

On Thu, 22 May 2008 17:32:32 +1000, "Paul Burdett" scribbled:

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:29:35 +0200, erpy
scribbled:

Paul Burdett ha scritto:

Hi,

I’m running Photoshop CS3 Extended (a legal paid for version) and was considering buying the FocalPoint plugin from OnOne software. I note that
the software requires an Open GL graphics card (1.5 or greater). I tried the
demo version but got the error message that it wouldn’t work with my graphics card. Updating the driver didn’t work. My computer (desktop) has an
ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion
slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI
or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!) In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old
Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.

Unfortunately it looks like your motherboard does not even provide an AGP slot – not to mention that any graphic card today is PCI-Express (which is not the same as "PCI").
So, forget about getting a graphic card of any kind for that motherboard.

Yeah! Because there’s NO where in the world where you can get an older PCI graphics card. NOWHERE! Not anywhere….

Psst… TigerDirect lists THIRTY TWO legacy PCI cards.

Get a new PC….it’s about time. :))

Exactly! Why spend a few bucks on an add on card when you could spend hundreds or even thousands on a new PC!

BRILLIANT advice!

LOL: I agree. My PC is 3GHZ Pentium 4 and is fast enough for CS3 as well as the various plugins I have (as well as Cubase..I’m a music teacher/guitarist

There are people who think if you’re not running the latest and greatest then you’re doing something wrong. They just can’t accept "It’s good enough for what I need" from people.

by trade). I guess I don’t really need the Focalpoint plugin..I could replicate the effects in Photoshop although it may take more time. However, it does seem that newer software is coming out all the time (with more hardware requirements) and maybe one day I will get a new computer. Foir now though I agree that it wouldn’t be too difficult to get another PCI card as long as it had OpenGL.

Eventually, some day, your P4 may not have enough horsepower to do something you want but if it runs everything you need NOW and it’s in good shape there’s no reason to replace it.

Voivod

May 22, 2008

On Thu, 22 May 2008 12:29:41 +0200, erpy
scribbled:

Voivod ha scritto:

On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:29:35 +0200, erpy
scribbled:

Paul Burdett ha scritto:

My computer (desktop) has an
ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!) In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.
Unfortunately it looks like your motherboard does not even provide an AGP slot – not to mention that any graphic card today is PCI-Express (which is not the same as "PCI").
So, forget about getting a graphic card of any kind for that motherboard.

Yeah! Because there’s NO where in the world where you can get an older PCI graphics card. NOWHERE! Not anywhere….

Psst… TigerDirect lists THIRTY TWO legacy PCI cards.

Yeah right, with OpenGL 1.5 in their drivers…. and 256 Mb VRam…. :))) Your "legacy PCI cards" would not run the plugin…. full stop.

128 MB (9)
256 MB or more (11)

There, that’s 20 cards that at least meet the minimum specs. I guarantee you that at least one’s going to support OpenGL 1.5. I love your "full stop", you’re as ignorant as the idiot who just said "forget about getting a graphic card of any kind for that motherboard" and the other idiot who though OpenGL was a BRAND of graphics card.

erpy

May 22, 2008

Voivod ha scritto:

On Thu, 22 May 2008 12:29:41 +0200, erpy
scribbled:

Voivod ha scritto:

On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:29:35 +0200, erpy
scribbled:

Paul Burdett ha scritto:

My computer (desktop) has an
ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!) In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.
Unfortunately it looks like your motherboard does not even provide an AGP slot – not to mention that any graphic card today is PCI-Express (which is not the same as "PCI").
So, forget about getting a graphic card of any kind for that motherboard.
Yeah! Because there’s NO where in the world where you can get an older PCI graphics card. NOWHERE! Not anywhere….

Psst… TigerDirect lists THIRTY TWO legacy PCI cards.
Yeah right, with OpenGL 1.5 in their drivers…. and 256 Mb VRam…. :))) Your "legacy PCI cards" would not run the plugin…. full stop.

128 MB (9)
256 MB or more (11)

There, that’s 20 cards that at least meet the minimum specs. I guarantee you that at least one’s going to support OpenGL 1.5. I love your "full stop", you’re as ignorant as the idiot who just said "forget about getting a graphic card of any kind for that motherboard" and the other idiot who though OpenGL was a BRAND of graphics card.

Kid, "years-old" PCI cards can’t run *that plugin*…as much as integrated graphics can’t run today’s games.
If there’s an ignorant that’s you. That MB comes with Intel integrated 3D graphics, and its drivers already support OpenGL. Most probably the plugin won’t run not because of OGL, but because it also requires pixel shaders capabilities, which older (and many newer) integrated graphics lack.

If that MB supported at least an AGP bus, he could buy a GeForceFX 5200 – out of production since years – somewhere for 10 bucks.

Now go get an education.

—

Voivod

May 22, 2008

On Thu, 22 May 2008 17:38:52 +0200, erpy
scribbled:

Voivod ha scritto:

On Thu, 22 May 2008 12:29:41 +0200, erpy
scribbled:

Voivod ha scritto:

On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:29:35 +0200, erpy
scribbled:

Paul Burdett ha scritto:

My computer (desktop) has an
ASUS P4P800-MX motherboard with on board graphics (Intel 82865G graphics controller). The motherboard has a total of three 32 bit PCI 2.2 expansion slots which (according to my manual) support bus master PCI cards like SCSI or LAN cards with 133MB/s maximum throughput (whatever that means!) In addition, the same situation with the software exists on my one year old Toshiba Satellite laptop! which has Mobile 945GM Express chipset family.
Unfortunately it looks like your motherboard does not even provide an AGP slot – not to mention that any graphic card today is PCI-Express (which is not the same as "PCI").
So, forget about getting a graphic card of any kind for that motherboard.
Yeah! Because there’s NO where in the world where you can get an older PCI graphics card. NOWHERE! Not anywhere….

Psst… TigerDirect lists THIRTY TWO legacy PCI cards.
Yeah right, with OpenGL 1.5 in their drivers…. and 256 Mb VRam…. :))) Your "legacy PCI cards" would not run the plugin…. full stop.

128 MB (9)
256 MB or more (11)

There, that’s 20 cards that at least meet the minimum specs. I guarantee you that at least one’s going to support OpenGL 1.5. I love your "full stop", you’re as ignorant as the idiot who just said "forget about getting a graphic card of any kind for that motherboard" and the other idiot who though OpenGL was a BRAND of graphics card.

Kid, "years-old" PCI cards can’t run *that plugin*…as much as integrated graphics can’t run today’s games.

I’m not a kid and those cards aren’t ‘years old’.

If there’s an ignorant that’s you. That MB comes with Intel integrated 3D graphics, and its drivers already support OpenGL. Most probably the plugin won’t run not because of OGL, but because it also requires pixel shaders capabilities, which older (and many newer) integrated graphics lack.

If you want to play guessing games I’m not in the mood. Add the add on cards support pixel shading so we’re back at "You don’t have a fucking clue so, seriously, go play in someone else’s sandbox."

If that MB supported at least an AGP bus, he could buy a GeForceFX 5200 – out of production since years – somewhere for 10 bucks.

And he could just buy a new 256meg pixel shader PCI card.

Now go get an education.

Got one. Now go do some research so you don’t look more like an imbecile than you already do.

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