"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
Little Juice Coupe wrote:
You can mince all the words you want. The fact remains very few people change from what they know. That is why people that started with a PC stay
with a PC and don’t just spontaneous dump it and move to a Mac. Sure some do
but it is a very small amount. The like of or the dislike of HDR is the same
way. Hundreds of years of be conditioned to see things that are perfectly exposed throughout as paintings isn’t going to change simply because I few
wished it did.
Statistics show you wrong. When color films were introduced, everybody liked the muted, unsaturated colors. The average film recorded something like 80% of the color saturation of the scene. Over the years this has changed, and today the majority of people prefer highly saturated images, even much more saturated than real life colors. True, this took some time, but not that much. Nothing is more permanent than change!
Hell, for all we know it could be a hardwired in the brain thing. I don’t know, but I do know there are more people that don’t like the look of HDR images than those that do.
Perhaps so, but you forget one thing: if HDR is done properly, you will have a hard time telling it was used in the first place. So the images you dislike are only the ones that are obvious (and done wrongly if you ask me). And the images you do like are not considered, because you don’t even know you should include them (unless you are told it’s HDR).
It’s the same debate as the ‘image manipulation’ debate. Many people say they recognise and dislike manipulated images. The reality is that if the manipulation is done well, they never even know, so they don’t include those images in their judgement. If you only include the bad ones because you don’t even recognise the good ones, it’s obvious what the outcome will be.
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Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
like most art it is a very subjective judgment based upon the artist’s preference (and perhaps the client’s request)
and your ultimate goal
for products shots of shiny things like a car or bottles for example I may choose a very over saturated color and print on shiny paper, sharp vivid focus and precise artwork
and for a romantic shot of people I may want a very muted, soft look, maybe even desaturate or change to B&W or sepia.
add a glow or blur….
For a client who wants to see the nice view out the windows of his hotel, I think Johan made some nice looking images that satisfy the nature of the assignment. Instead of the normal resort look (hideous flash in the room and other shots for outside) It is a creative solution. That said I would love the room photos lighting even without the "added" scenic views. And some of those do look a bit "fakey" but still nice and artsy like a painting.
Some photogs (I call them "one trick ponies") have one distinctive style and get hired to make images in only that look
many of us (in advertising anyway) get diverse assignments that may require knowing a variety of styles
and do not always have the luxury of dictating how the finals will look.
I can say without doubt that none of my clients would wait for us to take that many frames of the same thing (models cost upwards of $2000.00 a day— time is money) and most certainly will not wait for me to make composited images. They want to get the images direct to their laptops and do the artwork themselves (bad or good-depending)
not even sure how HDD would work on human subjects, with no two frames the exact same??
I always loved Ektachrome for the natural look of skin finding Kodachrome too saturated and bright for humans. it was not the majority opinion, I never liked Cibachromes for my work either, but some people’s work looked great on it.
before we went digital we were shooting Fuji film… it had some nice saturation in the bright colors without the magenta/reddish cast in the skintones. And it pushed well, up to 800.
if you have lots of time to spend creating one art image in HDD and the goal is to make a painterly look I say go for it!!
perhaps you can charge enough to justify it when it’s done? I have seen interesting work accomplished with snapshot cameras or polaroids too. No technique more legit than another.
Make the art you like looking at.
As someone who goes by the KISS (keep it simple stupid) rules of life, that kind of manipulation (HDD) is not something I would want to do. But I do love reading about how you all create from so many diverse and in this case complex techniques.
Even though we came up in an age of "get it in the camera"
I do love being able to manipulate the images after they get out of the camera. We were able to do this previously by dyes, scraping the silver off the paper, cutting with a razor to make masks
etc but the tools are so wonderful now and so much easier. I am happy to never have to smell sepia toner again!!!
I also love having a good image to start with over having to fix a crappy one.
Jackson Pollack or DaVinci?
Picasso or Vermeer?
it’s matter of taste and style, both are valid (and valuable) artwork.
