Tutorials on PhotoShop

Dev wrote:

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

www.google.com

—
Cliff

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:37:50 -0700, "CJ" wrote:

Dev wrote:

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

www.google.com

Only new to Photoshop?
Certainly also new to the computer world, are you not!
But CJ brought you on track:-)

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:29:56 -0000, Dev wrote:

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

http://www.good-tutorials.com/tutorials/photoshop/effects/3/ 2/0 http://www.teacherschoice.com.au/Maths_Library/Coordinates/p olar_-_rectangular_conversion.htm http://www.photoshoproadmap.com/Photoshop-blog/2006/07/17/re ndering-a-map-using-relief-shading-technique-in-photoshop/4/
http://www.heathrowe.com/tuts/underwater.asp
http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161043
http://design.siu.edu/Photoshop%20Lessons/Lesson18/
http://www.designer-info.com/Writing/photoshop_patterns.htm http://www.lunacore.com/photoshop/tutorials/tutorials_03.sht ml http://www.designer-info.com/Writing/photoshop_patterns.htm http://www.photoshopsupport.com/tutorials.html
http://photoshopcontest.com/tutorials/photoshop-tips.html http://www.graphic-design.com/Photoshop/tutorials/0402-23.ht ml http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=160978&page=1 http://www.graphic-design.com/Photoshop/tutorials/0402-23.ht ml http://www.lunacore.com/photoshop/tutorials/tut022.htm
http://www.layersmagazine.com/category/tutorials/
http://user.fundy.net/morris/
http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototip-archives.html
http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/srgb-versus-adobe-r gb-debate.html http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-levels-ve rsus-curves.html http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-curves.ht ml http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-levels-1- 2-3.html http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/color-management-fe eling-lost.html http://www.pegtop.net/delphi/articles/blendmodes/
http://www.xen-fx.com/tutorials/ufo_glow/
http://tpettit.best.vwh.net/adobe/index.html
http://www.rdrop.com/~half/Creations/Art/IllustratorTips/Tip 2.html http://tpettit.best.vwh.net/dolls/pd_scans/ss/mine/details/ http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-1962121.html
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-1981538.html
http://www.adobe.com/support/products/photoshop.html
http://www.adobe.com/support/products/illustrator.html
http://www.khulsey.com/student.html
http://tpettit.best.vwh.net/adobe/index.html
http://designorati.com/illustration/2006/compound-shapes-com pound-paths-and-the-pathfinder-palette/
http://www.the3dstudio.com/
http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~yukio-m/intro/index.html#
http://www.loria.fr/projets/MLIS/DHYDRO/outils/site_edition/ byproducts/dicoen.html http://www.gurusnetwork.com/tutorial/illustrator_basics_shap es/ http://www.creationengine.com/html/action.lasso?-database=pr oducts.fm&-layout=w&-response=prt.html&product%2 0ID=10004&-search
http://northlite.50megs.com/illus/ribbon.htm
http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
http://www.sxc.hu/home
http://morguefile.com/archive/?MORGUEFILE=celdsrdum7gpnik4pn gi07drm2 http://www.worth1000.com/stories/thread.asp?cid=12&eid=1 40317 http://pirc-photogallery.com/
http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-78218p1.html
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/mform_proc
http://www.3dtotal.com/team/Tutorials/3d_stylisedhead/stylis edhead02.asp http://forums.cgsociety.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NURBS
http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprun e=&f=25 file:///C:/Program%20Files/Autodesk/Maya%208.5%20Personal%20 Learning%20Edition/docs/Maya8.5PLE/en_US/Nodes/index.html
http://www.pixar.com/howwedoit/index.html#
http://veerle.duoh.com/index.php/blog/comments/designing_a_c ss_based_template_part_i/ http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/style/color/wheel.html
http://www.texturemaker.com/download.php
http://www.designer-info.com/Writing/texture_library.htm http://www.adobe.com/education/pdf/cib/gl6_cib/gl6_cib06.pdf http://www.adobe.com/education/pdf/cib/pscs/ps_cs_cib_17.pdf http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/v ista_support/en/vista_readiness?c=us&l=en&s=gen
http://www.finseth.com/hpdata/hp16c.html
http://discussion.autodesk.com/forum.jspa?forumID=202
http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=7

On Aug 24, 5:06 pm, Billy wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:29:56 -0000, Dev wrote:

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

http://www.good-tutorials.com/tutorials/photoshop/effects/3/ 2/0http://www..teacherschoice.com.au/Maths_Library/Coordinat es/polar_-_re…http://www.photoshoproadmap.com/Photoshop-bl og/2006/07/17/rendering-a…http://www.heathrowe.com/tuts/un derwater.asphttp://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161043 http://design.siu.edu/Photoshop%20Lessons/Lesson18/http://ww w.designer-info.com/Writing/photoshop_patterns.htmhttp://www .lunacore.com/photoshop/tutorials/tutorials_03.shtmlhttp://w ww.designer-info.com/Writing/photoshop_patterns.htmhttp://ww w.photoshopsupport.com/tutorials.htmlhttp://photoshopcontest .com/tutorials/photoshop-tips.htmlhttp://www.graphic-design. com/Photoshop/tutorials/0402-23.htmlhttp://www.worth1000.com /tutorial.asp?sid=160978&page=1http://www.graphic-design .com/Photoshop/tutorials/0402-23.htmlhttp://www.lunacore.com /photoshop/tutorials/tut022.htmhttp://www.layersmagazine.com /category/tutorials/http://user.fundy.net/morris/http://www. earthboundlight.com/phototip-archives.htmlhttp://www.earthbo undlight.com/phototips/srgb-versus-adobe-rgb-debate…http:/ /www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-levels-versus-c urv…http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-cur ves.htmlhttp://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/photoshop-l evels-1-2-3.htmlhttp://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/col or-management-feeling-los….http://www.pegtop.net/delphi/ar ticles/blendmodes/http://www.xen-fx.com/tutorials/ufo_glow/h ttp://tpettit.best.vwh.net/adobe/index.htmlhttp://www.rdrop. com/~half/Creations/Art/IllustratorTips/Tip2.htmlhttp://tpet tit.best.vwh.net/dolls/pd_scans/ss/mine/details/http://www.s hutterstock.com/pic-1962121.htmlhttp://www.shutterstock.com/ pic-1981538.htmlhttp://www.adobe.com/support/products/photos hop.htmlhttp://www.adobe.com/support/products/illustrator.ht mlhttp://www.khulsey.com/student.htmlhttp://tpettit.best.vwh .net/adobe/index.htmlhttp://designorati.com/illustration/200 6/compound-shapes-compound-pat…http://www.the3dstudio.com/ http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~yukio-m/intro/index.html#http://w ww.loria.fr/projets/MLIS/DHYDRO/outils/site_edition/byproduc t…http://www.gurusnetwork.com/tutorial/illustrator_basics_ shapes/http://www.creationengine.com/html/action.lasso?-data base=products.fm…http://northlite.50megs.com/illus/ribbon. htmhttp://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.htmlhtt p://www.sxc.hu/homehttp://morguefile.com/archive/?MORGUEFILE =celdsrdum7gpnik4pngi07drm2http://www.worth1000.com/stories/ thread.asp?cid=12&eid=140317http://pirc-photogallery.com /http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-78218p1.htmlhttp://usa. autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/mform_prochttp://www.3dtotal.com/t eam/Tutorials/3d_stylisedhead/stylisedhead02.asphttp://forum s.cgsociety.org/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NURBShttp://for ums..cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f= 25
file:///C:/Program%20Files/Autodesk/Maya%208.5%20Personal%20 Learning%20Edit

Billy schreef:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:29:56 -0000, Dev wrote:

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

http://www.good-tutorials.com/tutorials/photoshop/effects/3/ 2/0 http://www.teacherschoice.com.au/Maths_Library/Coordinates/p olar_-_rectangular_conversion.htm http://www.photoshoproadmap.com/Photoshop-blog/2006/07/17/re ndering-a-map-using-relief-shading-technique-in-photoshop/4/
http://www.heathrowe.com/tuts/underwater.asp
http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161043

cut
and many other sites……
cut

thanks, but could you please make a selection, some annotations, and could you give a review of all of the sites, please :-))))))))))))))))))))

No, thanks anyway. It’s impressive.

Carlo

Quintsys wrote:

Billy schreef:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:29:56 -0000, Dev wrote:

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

http://www.good-tutorials.com/tutorials/photoshop/effects/3/ 2/0 http://www.teacherschoice.com.au/Maths_Library/Coordinates/p olar_-_rectangular_conversion.htm http://www.photoshoproadmap.com/Photoshop-blog/2006/07/17/re ndering-a-map-using-relief-shading-technique-in-photoshop/4/
http://www.heathrowe.com/tuts/underwater.asp
http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161043

cut
and many other sites……
cut

thanks, but could you please make a selection, some annotations, and could you give a review of all of the sites, please :-))))))))))))))))))))

Don’t you think you are asking too much? or it could be nice if you read through all those sites then GIVE US your review <bg>

Or just pick few and pretending someone only gave you few instead of many?

No, thanks anyway. It’s impressive.

Carlo

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:20:10 +0200, Quintsys
wrote:

Billy schreef:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:29:56 -0000, Dev wrote:

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

http://www.good-tutorials.com/tutorials/photoshop/effects/3/ 2/0 http://www.teacherschoice.com.au/Maths_Library/Coordinates/p olar_-_rectangular_conversion.htm http://www.photoshoproadmap.com/Photoshop-blog/2006/07/17/re ndering-a-map-using-relief-shading-technique-in-photoshop/4/
http://www.heathrowe.com/tuts/underwater.asp
http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161043

cut
and many other sites……
cut

thanks, but could you please make a selection, some annotations, and could you give a review of all of the sites, please :-))))))))))))))))))))

No, thanks anyway. It’s impressive.

No.

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:32:37 -0500, Joe wrote:

Don’t you think you are asking too much? or it could be nice if you read through all those sites then GIVE US your review <bg>

Life is just too short.

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:32:37 -0500, Joe wrote:

Quintsys wrote:

Billy schreef:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:29:56 -0000, Dev wrote:

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

http://www.good-tutorials.com/tutorials/photoshop/effects/3/ 2/0

thanks, but could you please make a selection, some annotations, and could you give a review of all of the sites, please :-))))))))))))))))))))

I’ll review this site for the guy:

Attractive blue background with a slight gradient applied to the top. Interesting typeface and well-designed logo for "good-tutorials". Erroneous use of semi-colon where colon should have been used. The instructions – 404-file not found – easy to follow so project is completed quickly.
—

Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

This has got to be a joke posting, right?

Katherine

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

thanks, but could you please make a selection, some annotations, and could you give a review of all of the sites, please :-))))))))))))))))))))

No, thanks anyway. It’s impressive.

Carlo

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:35:46 +1000, "jones" wrote:

This has got to be a joke posting, right?

Katherine

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

thanks, but could you please make a selection, some annotations, and could you give a review of all of the sites, please :-))))))))))))))))))))

No, thanks anyway. It’s impressive.

Carlo

Busy working on it. Should I add samples as well?

Dave,

All you need to do now is invite this person to lunch 🙂 Katherine

Busy working on it. Should I add samples as well?

jones schreef:

This has got to be a joke posting, right?

Katherine

Sorry nobody picked that up, in spite of the :-))))))))))))))))))))

I was inspired to do it, because in response to a fairly gross question (could you give me a list of tutorial-sites), one man actually GAVE it (which I thank him wholeheartedly for). And then the OP said nothing more than "Thanks" .

So (seriously) Thanks a lot Billy. It’s a great list! and maybe some time in future I’m gonna make some reviews, and selections.

Carlo

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:47:47 +0200, Quintsys
wrote:

jones schreef:

This has got to be a joke posting, right?

Katherine

Sorry nobody picked that up, in spite of the :-))))))))))))))))))))
I was inspired to do it, because in response to a fairly gross question (could you give me a list of tutorial-sites), one man actually GAVE it (which I thank him wholeheartedly for). And then the OP said nothing more than "Thanks" .

So (seriously) Thanks a lot Billy. It’s a great list! and maybe some time in future I’m gonna make some reviews, and selections.
Carlo

Nobody picked it up you said?
Maybe people are sharper than what you think.
Billy simply copied Ronviers post ‘Photoshop School 8/15/2007’ word for word and nobody thanked Ron therefore.

I also did not miss Katherine’s suggestion that I invite you for lunch, but maybe you’ll walk off with my cutlery:-)

Dave

Dave schreef:

Nobody picked it up you said?
Maybe people are sharper than what you think.
Billy simply copied Ronviers post ‘Photoshop School 8/15/2007’ word for word and nobody thanked Ron therefore.

I also did not miss Katherine’s suggestion that I invite you for lunch, but maybe you’ll walk off with my cutlery:-)

Dave

Oops, I should have said ‘not everybody’.
I was just a bit amazed by the OP’s reaction.

And…I don’t take your cutlery, as long as you pay for my lunch….Although: (tanstafl: there ain’t no such thing as a free lunch)

Thanks to Ron, then.

Carlo

"Dave" wrote in message

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:47:47 +0200, Quintsys
wrote:

jones schreef:

This has got to be a joke posting, right?

Katherine

Sorry nobody picked that up, in spite of the :-))))))))))))))))))))
I was inspired to do it, because in response to a fairly gross question (could you give me a list of tutorial-sites), one man actually GAVE it (which I thank him wholeheartedly for). And then the OP said nothing more than "Thanks" .

So (seriously) Thanks a lot Billy. It’s a great list! and maybe some time in future I’m gonna make some reviews, and selections.
Carlo

Nobody picked it up you said?
Maybe people are sharper than what you think.
Billy simply copied Ronviers post ‘Photoshop School 8/15/2007’ word for word and nobody thanked Ron therefore.

I also did not miss Katherine’s suggestion that I invite you for lunch, but maybe you’ll walk off with my cutlery:-)

Dave

I have been associated with many newsgroups and generally they involve a lot of nice people. I looked into this newsgroup because I am just getting started with Photoshop. I am amazed at the nasty comments from many of you. If you don’t like a post you could always ignore it. Oops, I am sorry, that would be the polite thing to do and this group does not sound like a polite bunch. I will look for my information elsewhere thank you.

Gigi

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:14:50 +0200, Quintsys
wrote:

Dave schreef:

Nobody picked it up you said?
Maybe people are sharper than what you think.
Billy simply copied Ronviers post ‘Photoshop School 8/15/2007’ word for word and nobody thanked Ron therefore.

I also did not miss Katherine’s suggestion that I invite you for lunch, but maybe you’ll walk off with my cutlery:-)

Dave

Oops, I should have said ‘not everybody’.
I was just a bit amazed by the OP’s reaction.

And…I don’t take your cutlery, as long as you pay for my lunch….Although: (tanstafl: there ain’t no such thing as a free lunch)
Thanks to Ron, then.

Carlo

You said

the OP said nothing more than "Thanks" .

We are use to people not even saying thanks.
I have more than once went as far as sending files to peole without being thanked. Recently I helped a lady in another group sorting out problems on her PC and after 2 days she simply confirmed everything is well, and simply disapeared with also nothing more than ‘thanks’.

Somehow we get use to it but also become less helpfull.

Bedankt voor je reactie en beste van geluk

Dave

I have been associated with many newsgroups and generally they involve a lot of nice people. I looked into this newsgroup because I am just getting started with Photoshop. I am amazed at the nasty comments from many of you. If you don’t like a post you could always ignore it. Oops, I am sorry, that would be the polite thing to do and this group does not sound like a polite bunch. I will look for my information elsewhere thank you.
Gigi

Best of luck and keep well, Gigi

Dave

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:41:37 +1000, "jones" wrote:

Dave,

All you need to do now is invite this person to lunch 🙂 Katherine

Busy working on it. Should I add samples as well?

Katherine,

there is nothing I find more boring than troll hunters
except maybe troll detectors. I rarely give them much
if any thought not even to consider what may
motivate them. I suspect they lead horrible mundane
lives loved by no one. It seems to me the females
need a good hard sustained "seeing to" and the males …..well what can one do with a bunch of neutered toms. By the way, Katherine, may I come to lunch with you
sometime soon?

Now see you have nice day.
Hope to hear from you soon.

Billy.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:46:53 +0200, Dave wrote:

after 2 days she simply confirmed everything is
well, and simply disapeared with also nothing more than ‘thanks’.

May I ask, what more did you expect? Her favours!!

Billy.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:42:53 GMT, "trashandjunk" wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:47:47 +0200, Quintsys
wrote:

jones schreef:

This has got to be a joke posting, right?

Katherine

Sorry nobody picked that up, in spite of the :-))))))))))))))))))))
I was inspired to do it, because in response to a fairly gross question (could you give me a list of tutorial-sites), one man actually GAVE it (which I thank him wholeheartedly for). And then the OP said nothing more than "Thanks" .

So (seriously) Thanks a lot Billy. It’s a great list! and maybe some time in future I’m gonna make some reviews, and selections.
Carlo

Nobody picked it up you said?
Maybe people are sharper than what you think.
Billy simply copied Ronviers post ‘Photoshop School 8/15/2007’ word for word and nobody thanked Ron therefore.

I also did not miss Katherine’s suggestion that I invite you for lunch, but maybe you’ll walk off with my cutlery:-)

Dave

I have been associated with many newsgroups and generally they involve a lot of nice people. I looked into this newsgroup because I am just getting started with Photoshop. I am amazed at the nasty comments from many of you. If you don’t like a post you could always ignore it. Oops, I am sorry, that would be the polite thing to do and this group does not sound like a polite bunch. I will look for my information elsewhere thank you.
Gigi

This newsgroup does have more than its fair
share of very strange people. They seem to have
formed a self sustaining clique. I suspect they regard
this as their domain so to speak and other posters
as unwanted intruders to be discouraged.
Sad but there you have it.

Billy.

I was inspired to do it, because in response to a fairly gross question (could you give me a list of tutorial-sites), one man actually GAVE it (which I thank him wholeheartedly for). And then the OP said nothing more than "Thanks" .

So (seriously) Thanks a lot Billy. It’s a great list! and maybe some time in future I’m gonna make some reviews, and selections.
Carlo

I have been associated with many newsgroups and generally they involve a lot of nice people. I looked into this newsgroup because I am just getting started with Photoshop. I am amazed at the nasty comments from many of you. If you don’t like a post you could always ignore it. Oops, I am sorry, that would be the polite thing to do and this group does not sound like a polite bunch. I will look for my information elsewhere thank you.
Gigi

Here Carlo, is another example. Gigi peeped in here, opened this same thread, and she saw this lots of tutorial URL’s. Being new to Photoshop, this is a treasure chest (in fact it is). She copied it and only said a few nasty words without any thank you.
She’ll come back, maybe with another name, more probably she will keep on lurking.

Dave

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:00:59 GMT, Billy
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:46:53 +0200, Dave wrote:

after 2 days she simply confirmed everything is
well, and simply disapeared with also nothing more than ‘thanks’.

May I ask, what more did you expect? Her favours!!

Billy.

No, you may not ask, because it is a stupid question.
I answered myself on that the moment I wrote it.
Of course I simply expect a few more words after 2 days help than only one word ‘thanks’.

You sound a bit down hearted because I pointed out to Carlo he should thank Ron as well because originally it was his post. Why?

Dave

Billy wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:32:37 -0500, Joe wrote:

Don’t you think you are asking too much? or it could be nice if you read through all those sites then GIVE US your review <bg>

Life is just too short.

That’s why I suggested Quintsys to give the review for others to enjoys their short lives a little more <bg>

On Aug 26, 4:42 pm, "trashandjunk"
wrote:

bunch. I will look for my information elsewhere thank you.
Gigi

There are lots of nice people here Gigi – and some brains too:) I hope you stick around.

Dave schreef:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:00:59 GMT, Billy
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:46:53 +0200, Dave wrote:

after 2 days she simply confirmed everything is
well, and simply disapeared with also nothing more than ‘thanks’.

May I ask, what more did you expect? Her favours!!

Billy.

No, you may not ask, because it is a stupid question.
I answered myself on that the moment I wrote it.
Of course I simply expect a few more words after 2 days help than only one word ‘thanks’.

You sound a bit down hearted because I pointed out to Carlo he should thank Ron as well because originally it was his post. Why?
Dave

I missed Ron’s posting.
And eh…mine was just a lame joke…that’s all.

Carlo

Sorry Billy,

I can’t cook 🙁 I hate cooking.

Katherine

By the way, Katherine, may I come to lunch with you
sometime soon?

Now see you have nice day.
Hope to hear from you soon.

Billy.

Yes Gigi, stay.

Was going to say the same thing myself Ron, but you beat me to it 🙂 Katherine

There are lots of nice people here Gigi – and some brains too:) I hope you stick around.

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:37:50 -0700, "CJ" wrote:

Dev wrote:

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

www.google.com

I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question made.

Using newsgroups will be nice if all of us remember the newbies a gold rule: READ THE FAQ before posting.

This groups has a large one, but seems to be lost in the Net hyperspace. Anybody knows where it is?

Using Google is not a genetic known way to find information. Some examples will be nice to newcomers.

In the other hand, a "Thanks" response to huge list offered by Billy is not the kind one could expect. And I don’t wanna know if the Photoshop copy is a PIRATE COPY or a LEGAL COPY. This could be another huge thread to explore.

Perhaps the matter is not this groups, is all groups issue. People don’t know how to use newsgroups, email, web, or Internet at all. People thinks the Net has all the answers, despite the individuals behind it, who really has the answers…

Reading Netiquette will be a good starting point:
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/

***
Salu2
Joan

http://www.joanfuste.com

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:05:11 +0200, JF wrote:

Perhaps the matter is not this groups, is all groups issue.

It is this newsgroup. It has attracted some distasteful characters who seem to have taken on the role of netKKKop and Charter Warrior and emphasized their pernicious aspect. I subscribe to a number of graphics and photographic newsgroups and this one here is a good example of Greshams Law in action.

Don’t make excuses for them. You only demean yourself.

Billy.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:27:54 +1000, "jones" wrote:

Sorry Billy,

I can’t cook 🙁 I hate cooking.

Katherine

By the way, Katherine, may I come to lunch with you
sometime soon?

Now see you have nice day.
Hope to hear from you soon.

Billy.

I didn’t have food in mind.

Billy.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:35:27 +1000, "jones" wrote:

Yes Gigi, stay.

Was going to say the same thing myself Ron, but you beat me to it 🙂 Katherine

There are lots of nice people here Gigi – and some brains too:) I hope you stick around.

Don’t let the personality disordered posters put you off Gigi. As I said in a previous post this newsgroup has more than its fair share of strange people. They seem to be obsessed with pirate copies, trolls, strangers and a number of other things which I will leave you to enjoy discovering. Of course not all posters to this group fall into the above classification. Some are good people, kind, helpful, intelligent, knowledgeable and a credit to humanity.

The trick is in finding them!

Billy

PS. *Whatever you do, do not post personal info to this group.*

JF wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:37:50 -0700, "CJ" wrote:

Dev wrote:

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using PhotoShop
thanks in advance

www.google.com

I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question made.

Using newsgroups will be nice if all of us remember the newbies a gold rule: READ THE FAQ before posting.

I agree with you on this one! and this is one of the reasons for around 3 decades modeming (and I even read Usenet years before Internet was born) and I hardly need to ask any question.

Because I can find more than what I need by reading old answers, and they are often more than I need.

This groups has a large one, but seems to be lost in the Net hyperspace. Anybody knows where it is?

Using Google is not a genetic known way to find information. Some examples will be nice to newcomers.

Google has always been my friend, and I always Google when I need a friend to solve my problem.

In the other hand, a "Thanks" response to huge list offered by Billy is not the kind one could expect. And I don’t wanna know if the Photoshop copy is a PIRATE COPY or a LEGAL COPY. This could be another huge thread to explore.

I won’t mind to delete few person_to_person "thank you" msgs, but I sure don’t want to spend time to download and delete thousands of "thank you" headers.

Perhaps the matter is not this groups, is all groups issue. People don’t know how to use newsgroups, email, web, or Internet at all. People thinks the Net has all the answers, despite the individuals behind it, who really has the answers…

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:38:18 -0500, Joe wrote:

JF wrote:

I agree with you on this one! and this is one of the reasons for around 3 decades modeming (and I even read Usenet years before Internet was born) and I hardly need to ask any question.

Yes. But seems that this is not the right answer anyone wanna read or hear about. Anycase, I’ll lurk into my old archives to redeem this FAQ seen several months ago (perhaps years!). I’m sure is a project (cancelled?) that worth the effort to maintain updated info available, to newcomers and old ones.

Because I can find more than what I need by reading old answers, and they are often more than I need.

Sure. I read several groups and don’t post so much. Answers come from proof readings in 99% of cases… 😀

Using Google is not a genetic known way to find information. Some examples will be nice to newcomers.

Google has always been my friend, and I always Google when I need a friend to solve my problem.

Yeah, but is not "the answer" to any question posted in a specific interest group. If it was, why do we need a group? This is the point. If some asks about Level correction issues, I don’t throw a simple "go to Google". I will address to specific sites, books, references, tutorials or answers. IMHO adressing people to Google for all is a waste of time for group members. Or… perhaps the only subjects to speak about here are the ultra-high-level one, guru-ones or so? I don’t think so. There is a large amount of themes to talk about between the simple "How to make a transparent GIF" and "how to correct a CMYK issue", por example.

Regards
JF

JF wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:37:50 -0700, "CJ" wrote:

Dev wrote:

Hello to All,
I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for

using >> PhotoShop

thanks in advance

www.google.com

I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question made.

Amazingly astute observation.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to compile a list of URL’s for a person who is either too lazy or unwilling to do even a smidgen of research on their own.

—
Cliff

Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:16:39 -0000, "CJ" :

JF wrote:

I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question made.

Amazingly astute observation.

Really?

I have neither the time nor the inclination to compile a list of URL’s for a person who is either too lazy or unwilling to do even a smidgen of research on their own.

I agree on that, but by the same reason, I prefer no message at all …. isn’t? The Google-is-the-answer replies are too easy to do and too wastefull for either the lazy person that ask for the
easy-way-info-grabbing and the rest of us. Waste of time for all. As this reply, of course. But…. this is a free media to expres us! (I think….) 🙂

CS3 is a prefereable Subject, I think… XD

Regards
JF

JF wrote:

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:38:18 -0500, Joe wrote:

JF wrote:

I agree with you on this one! and this is one of the reasons for around 3 decades modeming (and I even read Usenet years before Internet was born) and I hardly need to ask any question.

Yes. But seems that this is not the right answer anyone wanna read or hear about. Anycase, I’ll lurk into my old archives to redeem this FAQ seen several months ago (perhaps years!). I’m sure is a project (cancelled?) that worth the effort to maintain updated info available, to newcomers and old ones.

*If* you just monitor this or any newsgroup for 1-2 months then you will see that most questions are same or similar to what others asked miniutes/hours/days or weeks/months ago.

And because ISP only keep Usenet message for so many days (30 days or hundreds of days etc. depending on the ISP) and too many different subject to go through, when Web (forums, newsgroups) often keep messages for months or even years. So, I always try to GOOGLE for the specific answer, and reading Usenet to keep up with what’s going on (cuz I don’t have time to surf the net). And by the time I Googled for some minutes I often learn extra information.

And what I am trying to say that instead of spending days/months/years answering the very same questions been asked thousands of times, we can use this valuable time to learn something new.

Or if you’ve been here for around 2-3 weeks then you should have seen some like.

– Where to find photoshop tutorial

– How to crop

– How to merge 2 images into one

– How to batch converting/resizing

– CS3 and Vista installing problem

Those should be able to find on web (matter fact Google has THIS newsgroup and you can find all older/newer questions/answers there).

Because I can find more than what I need by reading old answers, and they are often more than I need.

Sure. I read several groups and don’t post so much. Answers come from proof readings in 99% of cases… 😀

Using Google is not a genetic known way to find information. Some examples will be nice to newcomers.

Google has always been my friend, and I always Google when I need a friend to solve my problem.

Yeah, but is not "the answer" to any question posted in a specific interest group. If it was, why do we need a group? This is the point. If some asks about Level correction issues, I don’t throw a simple "go to Google". I will address to specific sites, books, references, tutorials or answers. IMHO adressing people to Google for all is a waste of time for group members. Or… perhaps the only subjects to speak about here are the ultra-high-level one, guru-ones or so? I don’t think so. There is a large amount of themes to talk about between the simple "How to make a transparent GIF" and "how to correct a CMYK issue", por example.

– Why do we need this group? to get information/answer of course

– Where to get answer? whererever we can find better/faster available answer

– Do we need to repeat the same old questions/answers daily? of course we don’t but sadly we have the same issue to deal with. Or most same question often being asked every few days, and the same thread often last for days/week.

Regards
JF

wrote:

Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:16:39 -0000, "CJ" :

JF wrote:

I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question made.

Amazingly astute observation.

Really?

I have neither the time nor the inclination to compile a list of URL’s for a person who is either too lazy or unwilling to do even a smidgen of research on their own.

I agree on that, but by the same reason, I prefer no message at all … isn’t? The Google-is-the-answer replies are too easy to do and too wastefull for either the lazy person that ask for the
easy-way-info-grabbing and the rest of us. Waste of time for all. As this reply, of course. But…. this is a free media to expres us! (I think….) 🙂

I think everyone if not most prople give you the honor to serve who refuses to be friend with Ms Google <bg>

And if you can give a better answer than Ms Google can, then my hat is off to you <bg>. Me?

– I try to help myself as much as I can, and only ask when I run out of source

– And because I know Google has 99-101% of answer waiting for me to learn, so I always Google first before asking for help. And it’s so sad that I always find answer from Google to have the chance to ask and hope to find the answer from newsgroup. And Google is my answer and I don’t think it’s wrong to share the goodie to friend, not?

CS3 is a prefereable Subject, I think… XD

Regards
JF

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:54:34 -0500, Joe wrote:

*If* you just monitor this or any newsgroup for 1-2 months then you will see that most questions are same or similar to what others asked miniutes/hours/days or weeks/months ago.

Sure, I do that for years, not months or days…. 🙂

or even years. So, I always try to GOOGLE for the specific answer, and reading Usenet to keep up with what’s going on (cuz I don’t have time to surf the net). And by the time I Googled for some minutes I often learn extra information.

Sure you do that, but many people don’t know how to use
Google, neither the Net at all. This is not the point. I do Google searchs every minute I need info. But in a newsgroup I wanna find answers, no new ways to search…. Too easy to kick out the ball….

answering the very same questions been asked thousands of times, we can use this valuable time to learn something new.

OF COURSE! A FAQ is a must, do you agree?

– Why do we need this group? to get information/answer of course

Yes. Not for forwarding and be forwarded to another service as Google. Not in the way have seen. If you forward some to Google, it seems IMHO that you don’t wanna waste your time (no matter, is your choice) answering a frequently asked question. Ok. I think it will be more useful to all to point to a FAQ, or be quit at all.

– Where to get answer? whererever we can find better/faster available answer

Oh yes. But you are a rich resources person (me too, IMHO) but not all the people in this and others groups are. 😀

– Do we need to repeat the same old questions/answers daily? of course we don’t but sadly we have the same issue to deal with. Or most same question often being asked every few days, and the same thread often last for days/week.

Nope. A FAQ is a must. I prefer to redirect people to a FAQ than Google. Perhaps these people learn some more interesting things, and perhaps the FAQ must include some guidelines about Google, why not…

JF

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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:35:02 -0500, Joe wrote:

I think everyone if not most prople give you the honor to serve who refuses to be friend with Ms Google <bg>

No. I use Google everyday, 10 hours at day wired to the Net. But when I enter here, I don’t wanna Google redirections. It’s only that.

And if you can give a better answer than Ms Google can, then my hat is off to you <bg>. Me?

Sometimes this is Ok. Using PS from 2.5 PC version has a value, IMHO. Thus, I’m here to help others, to help myself with new info, and so on.

– I try to help myself as much as I can, and only ask when I run out of source

Correct. This is the right way.

– And because I know Google has 99-101% of answer waiting for me to learn, so I always Google first before asking for help. And it’s so sad that I always find answer from Google to have the chance to ask and hope to find the answer from newsgroup. And Google is my answer and I don’t think it’s wrong to share the goodie to friend, not?

NOOOO! Share Google is not wrong. But answer all the questions with a "http://www.google.com" line is the fine way to do things in a newsgroup? THIS IS MY POINT! Google is a great aid, of course!!! I don’t said isn’t it. But, despite taht, beware. The mastering of information research is to find the PEOPLE that has the answers… and I think newsgroups is a great way to do that.

JF wrote:

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:54:34 -0500, Joe wrote:

*If* you just monitor this or any newsgroup for 1-2 months then you will see that most questions are same or similar to what others asked miniutes/hours/days or weeks/months ago.

Sure, I do that for years, not months or days…. 🙂

…and have you repeated the same answers for all those years? or you just ignore most of the questions, and may repeat the same answer when you haven’t seen the same question being asked for weeks or so?

or even years. So, I always try to GOOGLE for the specific answer, and reading Usenet to keep up with what’s going on (cuz I don’t have time to surf the net). And by the time I Googled for some minutes I often learn extra information.

Sure you do that, but many people don’t know how to use
Google, neither the Net at all. This is not the point. I do Google searchs every minute I need info. But in a newsgroup I wanna find answers, no new ways to search…. Too easy to kick out the ball….

… and they always can learn just like they learn to use Usenet, can’t they?

And I don’t see you are giving answer to all questions (or I am totally blinded?). And yes I do realize what the newsgroup is and that’s the reason why I spare my extra time to monitor the newsgroup to learn new thing, and may be able to help other with few thing I may know. But I ain;t gonna be a broken record player to play the same cracking-noise.

Besides, Google usally give much more and deeper detailed information than what we can do here, and that’s one of the reasons I suggest other to Google first then ask later. And 99.x% chance that Google will give them more than what they want to know, then they can ask for very specific information here.

answering the very same questions been asked thousands of times, we can use this valuable time to learn something new.

OF COURSE! A FAQ is a must, do you agree?

They won’t read, and too many stinky FAQs out there. Yes, I do read lot of FAQs (not just Usenet), and for Usenet alone I have seen about 2 (TWO) great FAQs with very general with very deep information.

– Why do we need this group? to get information/answer of course

Yes. Not for forwarding and be forwarded to another service as Google. Not in the way have seen. If you forward some to Google, it seems IMHO that you don’t wanna waste your time (no matter, is your choice) answering a frequently asked question. Ok. I think it will be more useful to all to point to a FAQ, or be quit at all.

That’s one of the reasons why we have many different members. Example

1. I suggest them to Google for the answer

2. While you provide them with raw answer.

See, if you just do your job then everything would work out fine, or people wouldn’t care to Google when they already get the answer from you, would they?

– Where to get answer? whererever we can find better/faster available answer

Oh yes. But you are a rich resources person (me too, IMHO) but not all the people in this and others groups are. 😀

But you and I can’t write a BOOK to some simple question like "how to mask", "how to blend" etc.. when I know dozens way of masking (and very good at it) and probably 101 ways of blending (not very good at it), and no way I can pass some detailed information to a simple question.

And just like another user who asked a question about "merging 2 photos together" then whining about wasting time on the Video Tutorial, and the turotial is for CS3 when he doesn’t have. And I didn’t see you you explain (while I don’t care to explain) to that poor fellow that TECHNIQUE is usually FOR ALL versions not specific version, and if the tutorial is for a specific version then there should be a note. Else all my experiences with older versions would be a big waste <bg>

– Do we need to repeat the same old questions/answers daily? of course we don’t but sadly we have the same issue to deal with. Or most same question often being asked every few days, and the same thread often last for days/week.

Nope. A FAQ is a must. I prefer to redirect people to a FAQ than Google. Perhaps these people learn some more interesting things, and perhaps the FAQ must include some guidelines about Google, why not…

I know there are at least 2 great FAQs about Usenet, and you may be able to GOOGLE for them (but probably pretty hard to spot those two specific FAQs), and there may be many other good FAQs but I didn’t read to know for sure.

Yes, I always love and have room for more good thing, so if there is a GOOD FAQ then it would be another great thing for Usenet community. And this is my personal way.

– I Google (research) as much general information, answer by reading the Questions and both Right/Wrong answers . This may take few minutes searching and if I have plenty of free time then it would take hours (if not days, weeks, months) to collect all available knowledge <bg>

– ..before asking for very specific answer (if I can’t Google out), but the chance that I should find more answer than I really need. So, I save the already answered for other good question so many others will benefit from some good *newer* answer.

JF

"Jack, el Admin" wrote:

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:35:02 -0500, Joe wrote:

I think everyone if not most prople give you the honor to serve who refuses to be friend with Ms Google <bg>

No. I use Google everyday, 10 hours at day wired to the Net. But when I enter here, I don’t wanna Google redirections. It’s only that.

Hmmm if you already Googled yourself with mass knowledge, then I don’t see any good reason you would Google for more. Unless you want your brain brusted out <bg>

And if you can give a better answer than Ms Google can, then my hat is off to you <bg>. Me?

Sometimes this is Ok. Using PS from 2.5 PC version has a value, IMHO. Thus, I’m here to help others, to help myself with new info, and so on.

Helping other is my way of helping myself, but no way I want to help someone who refuse to learn. Or I would rather learn newer and better thing than beating myself to death with some old knowledge.

IOW, since we already have you here to answer the same question with available answers, I guess it wouldn’t be nice to stay out of your way <bg>

– I try to help myself as much as I can, and only ask when I run out of source

Correct. This is the right way.

And Googling is how I help myself, and I am not afraid to ask .. but it’s so sad that Google often give me the answer. And if I can’t Google out the answer, then the chance that I won’t get answer from usenet either (web forum may have more chance but not Usenet). No, I don’t mean to put down Usenet, but it’s the way thing works.

– Web forum is much smaller than Usenet, so there is more chance that more people will read and join in.

– Usenet is way too big, many people have the answer but a big chance that they don’t read the question, no interest of giving the answer.. and the weakest point of Usenet that the old message often won’t be seen again.

– And because I know Google has 99-101% of answer waiting for me to learn, so I always Google first before asking for help. And it’s so sad that I always find answer from Google to have the chance to ask and hope to find the answer from newsgroup. And Google is my answer and I don’t think it’s wrong to share the goodie to friend, not?

NOOOO! Share Google is not wrong. But answer all the questions with a "http://www.google.com" line is the fine way to do things in a newsgroup? THIS IS MY POINT! Google is a great aid, of course!!! I don’t said isn’t it. But, despite taht, beware. The mastering of information research is to find the PEOPLE that has the answers… and I think newsgroups is a great way to do that.

Well, if it’s great aid then use the aid before wasting the saving. And like I said, nobody is going to stop you helping other, and many (I do) will have the hat off to your kindness and helpful. But I don’t think it’s right for you or anyone to force other to do thing they don’t thing it’s the right thing to do. Or if

– You think it’s the right thing to give answer to everything you know, then it’s fine and many would be grateful for your kindness.

– If someone think Google already have more answer than they can, then I don’t think there is anything wrong with it. And who knows, may be many of YOUR answers available on Google (or if you spend 10 hrs daily Googling around then you may already know that many Web Forums link to Usenet, and people can Google them out).

Newsgroups for me are a way of learning new things in the areas that I am interested in.

I don’t always have a question to ask, but I still check the postings every day. Always wanting to learn new things from others too.

Katherine (just my $AUD 1.00’s worth 🙂 (inflation).

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:21:24 -0500, Joe wrote:

…and have you repeated the same answers for all those years? or you just ignore most of the questions, and may repeat the same answer when you haven’t seen the same question being asked for weeks or so?

Nope. As I don’t address to Google to every user asking the same questions again and again. A FAQ is a must. Not reading, learning or using it is another question.

… and they always can learn just like they learn to use Usenet, can’t they?

Yes, but I don’t said the can’t… 🙂

And I don’t see you are giving answer to all questions (or I am totally blinded?). And yes I do realize what the newsgroup is and that’s the reason

Nope. God is too busy these days… XD XD XD

why I spare my extra time to monitor the newsgroup to learn new thing, and may be able to help other with few thing I may know. But I ain;t gonna be a broken record player to play the same cracking-noise.

Of course not. Well, it seems this is a black/white situation. Answer all the same (and sometimes stupid) questions or address all the questions made to Google. I think there are a great grayscale between, isn’t?

OF COURSE! A FAQ is a must, do you agree?

They won’t read, and too many stinky FAQs out there. Yes, I do read lot of FAQs (not just Usenet), and for Usenet alone I have seen about 2 (TWO) great FAQs with very general with very deep information.

Ah… it they won’t read, thus, they cannot ask and wait an answer when the question is a trivial one or is included in the FAQ. Transparency is perhaps the most common question I’ve seen in years in groups, forums, lists and so on. But newbies come everyday with no info about that, neither waht a digital image is. The FAQ must answer all this questions and the newbie must be addressed to it.

1. I suggest them to Google for the answer

2. While you provide them with raw answer.

Ok. It’s funny that my first message in this thread was a CJ reply and you are defending this kind of short answers… while CJ is quiet. Funny, really. Newsgroups are this way.

See, if you just do your job then everything would work out fine, or people wouldn’t care to Google when they already get the answer from you, would they?

But… if all the answers in your opinion, are in Google, why newsgroups exists??? To address people to Google every questions they ask???

– Where to get answer? whererever we can find better/faster available answer

Oh, I see… Yes, I’ve seen questions (trivial ones) made by newbies. No answer at all. Newbie not happy with this lack of answers. Not answer at all. Newbie flaming group/list/whatever… YES, they are people too erroneous. Not there. All around. But, this is the way the Net works. Not all the people belongs to this crap.

Using a newsgroups is too easy for newbies. Well, not use, enter it. No advise are made from anybody about how to use newsgroups, and what do and don’t. Nor Netiquette is mentioned and the entrance is free (almost) for all… and then, questions are made. All kind. Stupid ones, trivial ones, good ones, etc. I’m aware of this. But I prefer ignore the first and second ones, and read and possibly answer the last ones. Pehaps the first entry in a FAQ will be a mini-course about Google and the information searching methods. Then, a Netiquette brief. And so on. But you will refuse that too. You don’t?

But you and I can’t write a BOOK to some simple question like "how to mask", "how to blend" etc.. when I know dozens way of masking (and very good at it) and probably 101 ways of blending (not very good at it), and no way I can pass some detailed information to a simple question.

Well… I’m writing about Photoshop for 10 years… in Spanish (sorry, is my second language, English the 3r) and when a suscriber asks an answered question or technique, we (the editors) address him to the issue where the info was published. Answers to complex questions (and perhaps the good ones made here and there) are not simply. OK! Then…. trivial ones must be addressed to Google… and complex ones? where? to Google also? Oops… I’ve lost the point here my friend… XD

specific version then there should be a note. Else all my experiences with older versions would be a big waste <bg>

Well. When I wrote a tutorial about a tool or method to
achieve some results, FIRST OF ALL, I mention the exact version used in the explanation, and platform also (yes, Mac/PC issues are STILL a irritating one). At end of article, sometimes, not ever, I mentiones how to use other versions, if I think this has some value. None are using the mixing channels techniques of the master Kai Krause in the new versions of PS, but these where a good starting point to understand what a channel is and the possibilities of mixing them. Now, things are far easier. Using a clic you can produce a drop shadow. Photoshop Chops from Kai need an extraordinary number of steps and care, but where funny. Old versions experiences are ever worth value FOR US. Perhaps they provides a clever vision of new tools and versions.

– Do we need to repeat the same old questions/answers daily? of course we don’t but sadly we have the same issue to deal with. Or most same question often being asked every few days, and the same thread often last for days/week.

No! I dont’ said that! Well, imagine that every stupid and/or old questions was answered the same way: Google. Sick, don’t? Ignore them and (perhaps like some chat rooms do) post a note every day/week/month in the group asking to read the FAQ before posting this kind of questions. YES, I know people DON’T read the FAQs. But if exists you can redirect to it. Don’t take me wrong, I’m not a FAQ-devote nor are interested in an strange FAQ-broterhood at all. But I love info posted in FAQ’s as starting point for a discussion group whatever they are.

I know there are at least 2 great FAQs about Usenet, and you may be able to GOOGLE for them (but probably pretty hard to spot those two specific FAQs), and there may be many other good FAQs but I didn’t read to know for sure.

Of course. FAQ’s must be all around, not only in this group or other. Google is one of my preferred and used daily tools. I’m not against it.

– ..before asking for very specific answer (if I can’t Google out), but the chance that I should find more answer than I really need. So, I save the already answered for other good question so many others will benefit from some good *newer* answer.

Good practice. I share this with you. But not ALL PEOPLE are using the Net, neither computers in the same way… luckily… XD

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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:00:41 +1000, "jones" wrote:

Newsgroups for me are a way of learning new things in the areas that I am interested in.

This is the main use you can do with a newsgroups, of course!

I don’t always have a question to ask, but I still check the postings every day. Always wanting to learn new things from others too.

Yeah. But mastering a tools as Photoshop has several side effects. As time passes and learning occurs, questions are seen as trivial ones and it’s more difficult to see interesting ones… It’s a fact!

Katherine (just my $AUD 1.00’s worth 🙂 (inflation).

XD

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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:40:29 -0500, Joe wrote:

I think everyone if not most prople give you the honor to serve who refuses to be friend with Ms Google <bg>

Misundertanding as made you to think this about me. Google is my favourite way to search EVERYTHING. XD
But, when I wanna a human touch, Usenet is the 2nd preferred one.

Hmmm if you already Googled yourself with mass knowledge, then I don’t see any good reason you would Google for more. Unless you want your brain brusted out <bg>

I’m in a bunch of subjects. I need to do research in my work. And my hobbies too. Brain is not burning yet, but near to do…. XD

And if you can give a better answer than Ms Google can, then my hat is off to you <bg>. Me?

Im some questions, maybe! XD XD

Helping other is my way of helping myself, but no way I want to help someone who refuse to learn.

Nice. Who don’t want to learn usually don’t ask questions. The right ones.

forum may have more chance but not Usenet). No, I don’t mean to put down Usenet, but it’s the way thing works.

Yeah, I know that, but some pearls come from here. Perhaps are too in Google, but too deep in cases. How many pages are you browsing when Google returns a zillion of results? 10? 30? 100? The page rank an all the mumbo-jumbo realted with marketing tools, adSenses and so turns Google into a biased results machine based in… what? money? Think about.
I’m still using it, of course, but having this in mind,
sometimes I make large jumps thru result pages.

– Web forum is much smaller than Usenet, so there is more chance that more people will read and join in.

Nice to read this! I think the same, but people is too lazy to enter a Web page, login and so… Usenet, as eMail list, are better for these people. Don’t do nothing. Only wait to receive info. Ask for more info. Wait for answers. No answers? What a morons are in this group! And so on… Yes. Web forums are nice, more complex and give a bunch of tools: attach files, archive, galleries, downloads, thread follows, etc. But… it demands people work a little more… Too lazy people here and there… XD

– Usenet is way too big, many people have the answer but a big chance that they don’t read the question, no interest of giving the answer.. and the weakest point of Usenet that the old message often won’t be seen again.

Yes. This is the reason for a collector FAQ, for example. XD

like I said, nobody is going to stop you helping other, and many (I do) will

Nice to read that!!!! XD XD XD

have the hat off to your kindness and helpful. But I don’t think it’s right for you or anyone to force other to do thing they don’t thing it’s the right thing to do. Or if

I’m not forcing nothing and nobody. Only expressing my
opinion. As you do. 🙂

– You think it’s the right thing to give answer to everything you know, then it’s fine and many would be grateful for your kindness.

Nope. From 0 to 100 there is a great number of changes,
degrees, tones, and so. I’ve seen a "0" question answered with a "0" response. And all this started.

don’t think there is anything wrong with it. And who knows, may be many of YOUR answers available on Google (or if you spend 10 hrs daily Googling around then you may already know that many Web Forums link to Usenet, and people can Google them out).

Yes. Some are. FAQ’s, lists, forums and some PDF magazines are there… XD Google for it… XD XD

Nice to meet you… again!

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Joan

http://www.joanfuste.com

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:00:41 +1000, "jones" wrote:

Newsgroups for me are a way of learning new things in the areas that I am interested in.

I don’t always have a question to ask, but I still check the postings every day. Always wanting to learn new things from others too.
Katherine (just my $AUD 1.00’s worth 🙂 (inflation).

Do you mean, new ways to detect spoof posts, trolls and
othe miscreants?? Serious question! <smirk>

Lenny.

Well, unfortunately there are trolls and misfits in almost all newsgroups.

But sifting through these for the gems is nearly always worth the effort 🙂

Katherine

Newsgroups for me are a way of learning new things in the areas that I am interested in.

I don’t always have a question to ask, but I still check the postings every
day. Always wanting to learn new things from others too.
Katherine (just my $AUD 1.00’s worth 🙂 (inflation).

Do you mean, new ways to detect spoof posts, trolls and
othe miscreants?? Serious question! <smirk>

Lenny.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:46:53 +0200, Dave wrote:

Somehow we get use to it but also become less helpfull.

Diddums diddums there now! Is that better?